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Post by mitsaso on Oct 25, 2010 18:37:41 GMT -5
Lol, this "twist" felt as if it was personally directed at me! As the last scene was beggining, I caught myself thinking "wow, Kevin and Scotty must be the only STABLE relationship in this show, Justin/Rebecca got boring and ended already, Kitty became a widow, Tommy crapped all over his wife, Sarah went through a lot of hardships... yet Kevin has this perfect husband and they're not even stale yet! What a love letter to the GLBT community, when the gay brother has the most stable and drama-free relationship in the entire series!" then Scotty blurted out his big revelation and I facepalmed myself for even DARING to think about what I thought. Fates 1 -- Mitsaso 0
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Post by gaysoapfan on Oct 25, 2010 20:53:53 GMT -5
Too funny, mitsaso. ;D
The thing for me is that Scotty has always been Mr. Fidelity. Right from his first interactions with Kevin, that has been a central element of his character. So for Scotty to fall into bed with some guy because Kevin has been distant... I don't know, it doesn't ring true to me.
Maybe part of the problem is the leap forward in time. A major change in Scotty's character requires some preparation (such as occurred in AWZ with Roman), and we didn't get that. That's probably why I perceive a discontinuity.
I agree about Kevin going off his rocker. It will get ugly, for sure. But I suspect that the show is too invested in this couple to break them up totally.
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Post by harmonium on Oct 26, 2010 8:47:32 GMT -5
^At the last part, totally. It will be silly to break them up. And lots of people will complain if they do coz they are just so good together. One of the most believable gay couples on TV.
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Post by lotuscat on Oct 26, 2010 16:59:31 GMT -5
Scotty cheating seems so strange to me. Like not compatible with his character. So, I feel cheated. There is the time loss when everything fast forwarded after Robert’s death but still. Kevin’s best friend, Robert, dies and when Kevin’s hurting and vulnerable and sort of lost, then that’s when Scotty decides to cheat? And what exactly is the point of Scotty suddenly blurting it all out? Why now? If he’s going to keep the secret for so long, I kind of resent him coming clean now when Kevin is shining so brightly with love and future possibilities. Unless it’s simply to create drama and yeah, this show’s basically a soap so I get it. But still, I’m not happy about it and I have a feeling there won’t be much happiness for the boys for some time.
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Post by psionycx on Oct 26, 2010 18:15:11 GMT -5
Too funny, mitsaso. ;D The thing for me is that Scotty has always been Mr. Fidelity. Right from his first interactions with Kevin, that has been a central element of his character. So for Scotty to fall into bed with some guy because Kevin has been distant... I don't know, it doesn't ring true to me. Maybe part of the problem is the leap forward in time. A major change in Scotty's character requires some preparation (such as occurred in AWZ with Roman), and we didn't get that. That's probably why I perceive a discontinuity. I agree about Kevin going off his rocker. It will get ugly, for sure. But I suspect that the show is too invested in this couple to break them up totally. The one year jump forward is exactly the problem. It can confuse the issue of how long Kevin and Scotty have really been having problems. Now, in fairness to Kevin, at least he didn't run away to another country, leaving his spouse behind like Justin did. As far as I'm concerned Rebecca had every right and reason to file for a divorce given the way her husband abandoned her. Kevin has abandoned Scotty to quite the same extent. But he's been doing exactly the same thing Justin did, which is separate himself from his spouse by running off to do something otherwise praiseworthy, but with the slightly underhanded motive in that doing so makes it harder to criticize the way they pushed their spouses away. Kevin may have been bitten by the cause of saving the needy in court, just as Justin went off to serve his country. But they both are using these things to get out of dealing with feelings of hurt and anger without having to actually get into a real fight with their spouses. Which is exactly the problem. By throwing himself into pro bono legal work, Kevin can claim he's too busy for Scotty, even if only to argue about unresolved feelings about such things as the ill-advised choice of Scotty's BFF as a surrogate. Because his work is "charitable", Scotty really can't demand that Kevin pay more attention to him without looking selfish. Which is of course exactly why Kevin's chosen method of avoidance is so clever. In this situation it's not odd that Scotty might face temptation. Kevin is emotionally, and often physically, unavailable. We already know that Scotty has more gay friends than Kevin and is more likely to frequent the gay scene. Temptation, and the opportunity to act on it, is much more present in his life than in Kevin's. So on some level it makes perfect sense that Scotty is the one that cheated. This should be a wakeup call for Kevin. Given that he's still mourning Robert (God alone knows why), he should look back on when Robert and Kitty were having marital problems, largely because Robert had taken to pursuing his life and career in complete disregard for what Kitty might want or think. Kevin is doing exactly the same thing. He's been letting his marriage deteriorate because he has been trying, ironically, to avoid having to fight with Scotty about their issues. Just like Robert launched his campaign for governor without telling Kitty because he didn't want to fight with her about it. The failure to fight is exactly what's wrong. Kevin is still angry about Roxy and he's trying to avoid expressing it, so he avoids Scotty entirely. Scotty doesn't want to initiate a fight so he treats Kevin gingerly and doesn't push hard enough to insist that they work out their issues.
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Post by gaysoapfan on Oct 26, 2010 21:26:28 GMT -5
psionycx, thanks for the thoughtful post. I hadn't considered the fact that Scotty is more incorporated into the gay community and therefore has more opportunities to cheat. That's a good point.
Still, the writers could have done a better job of laying all of this out.
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Post by psionycx on Oct 27, 2010 13:49:56 GMT -5
psionycx, thanks for the thoughtful post. I hadn't considered the fact that Scotty is more incorporated into the gay community and therefore has more opportunities to cheat. That's a good point. Still, the writers could have done a better job of laying all of this out. I don't disagree. But since this is the last season, and it is shorter, the writers are clearly flying through stuff without developing it. Thus one can get whiplash trying to keep up. To me it would be more probable for Kevin to have an affair with someone he knows and has a history with, like Chad or Jason. Otherwise he's not really around gay people in a social context all that much. If he's too busy to have sex with Scotty, with whom he lives, then he doesn't have time to go get some nookie anywhere else. Now, for example, if Jason had come around to commiserate over the death of Robert then I could easily see Kevin doing something with him. Scotty, on the other hand, has a lot more "gay" in his lifestyle. Therefore he would face temptation more often, and not just from a narrow range of people. Also, we know he's not some Victorian housewife. He was just as intrigued by the prospect of a threesome with Chad as Kevin was. If he were really all that morally uptight then he would have denounced the idea at the time, instead of running to open the door. So I don't think that marriage has deactivated Scotty's man receptors. With Kevin avoiding him he would be more likely to be tempted to do something he would regret.
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Post by HQ75 on Oct 27, 2010 15:48:28 GMT -5
Actually, there's 22 episodes this season ABC went back to a more regular season order www.daemonstv.com/2010/10/27/new-episodes-ordered-for-abc-shows/Kevin has VERY promiscuous when he was single before he met Scotty (that's a running joke in the family) so I doubt Kevin would have had trouble finding someone to cheat with if that's where his mind was. You don't need to hang out in the gay community to find a dude to have sex with. But I also don't think that you have to have a certain kind of "character" to cheat. I think cheating (in this instance) is just a response to horrible situation. It could have been eating drinking too much (or in Kevin's case, working to much) but it's all coming from the same place. People were responding to a painful situation by trying to escape it (via having a fling or diving into pro bono work or going off to war, etc) Having an affair is very different than having a one night stand. They are just very different kinds of acts and require a very different kind of mind set. Obviously Scotty is responsible for his actions but so is Kevin. They need to just get some counseling and move on. Scotty is not a devious person, Kevin knows this in his heart. Kevin has also been known to cheat which is why it hurts him so badly. Ironically, both of the times he's cheated in the recent past, it was with Scotty. Some would say he wasn't cheating on Chad but since he and Chad had an understanding and were ALREADY cheating on Chad's girlfriend (though she probably know, Kevin didn't know that she knew) I don't really think Kevin in in a place to judge Scotty on moral grounds. But I do get that he's hurt and devastated and part of that has to do with his own knowledge that he has always taken Scotty for granted and assumed that he could treat Scotty any old kind of way (including ignoring him and putting his family first before Scotty) and Scotty would just be there, loyal, waiting and ready to support him. Scotty was wrong to cheat, totally. But they can get past this. I don't hold cheating of this kind as being a big thing. It's the condition of their relationship that made Scotty want to cheat (or feel the need to) that needs attention. I think their love is stronger than this and if Kevin can just deal with his pain and loss and not let his pride get the best of him, it could be very compelling tv.
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Post by psionycx on Oct 27, 2010 22:01:26 GMT -5
Kevin has VERY promiscuous when he was single before he met Scotty (that's a running joke in the family) so I doubt Kevin would have had trouble finding someone to cheat with if that's where his mind was. Actually, we've never seen any evidence that that is true. Sibling teasing does not always amount to truth. In fact, what we've seen is that Kevin is actually rather awkward around men he finds attractive. Virtually every hookup he's had on this show was with the other guy being the initiator. The soldier guy, Chad, Jason and even Scotty himself all made the first moves on Kevin. He has not been shown to be very proactive about picking up men. Indeed, there was some implication that he was single precisely because he tends to get wrapped up in work and is not good at working the scene. So under the circumstances it would not be surprising that Kevin wouldn't be effectively cheating if he is indeed so obsessed with his case load. The other guy would need to pursue him pretty aggressively and he doesn't seem very receptive right now. Scotty, as we saw in the beginning, was much more aggressive at pursuing. He also wasn't above sleeping with Kevin that Valentine's Day, even though they had broken up previously, and Scotty suspected that something was up between Kevin and Chad. Plus, again, Scotty was open to the idea of a threesome with Chad after he and Kevin got married. Which makes me think he's fairly adventurous, and not some Victorian matron wrapped in moral rectitude. He's a young guy and he likes sex. His husband has been emotionally and sexually distant, possibly for the entire last year. If temptation came knocking it's not unbelievable that he might give in. It would have been better for them to draw out the issue, although it really would have ended up being a repeat of Robert, Kitty and the playground dude.
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Post by lotuscat on Nov 1, 2010 16:33:06 GMT -5
This latest episode was so not satisfying. I’m not saying I didn’t feel Kevin’s pain. Matthew Rhys is a wonderful actor. I thought he did a great job with the brooding intensity.
It’s just that even though there is never a good reason to cheat, Scotty’s reason seemed especially pathetic to me. It was all whiny self absorbed selfishness which was exactly Kevin’s excuse for abandoning Scotty on the most important night of his life apparently. Is this the best the writers can do? If you’re going to open up a can of worms at least do it justice. Sigh. They should have left this couple intact and strong. I hope they end up that way in the end but now they’re just lumped in with the rest of the dysfunctional couples on the show. Drama doesn’t necessarily make a couple more interesting and in this case it’s actually succeeded in making them a bit boring.
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Post by gaysoapfan on Nov 1, 2010 21:06:04 GMT -5
Much to my surprise, I disagree. I found yesterday's episode compelling, and I thought that the writers did a reasonably good job of filling in the backstory that was so lacking last week. The smartest choice that they made, I think, was to anticipate an incredulous "No way, not Scotty!" reaction on the part of the audience and to build that into the story by allowing various members of the Walker family to give voice to that sentiment. They were then able to use that as a basis for that heatbreaking scene where Kevin says "You're supposed to be better than that" and Scotty responds "I'm not perfect." I especially liked the expression on Kevin's face after Scotty said that--it's like he finally recognized Scotty's fallibility. Also good was that final scene with Saul--all that business about not losing hope because of others' mistakes. It was a nice way of heading off the "you've wrecked the model gay couple" objection.
All in all, it was much better than I was expecting. I was really unhappy with the storyline at the start, but I'm opening up to it.
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Post by lotuscat on Nov 2, 2010 1:54:01 GMT -5
The smartest choice that they made, I think, was to anticipate an incredulous "No way, not Scotty!" reaction on the part of the audience and to build that into the story by allowing various members of the Walker family to give voice to that sentiment. Oh yeah, I totally agree here. It was actually refreshing that the writers took that head on. At least they didn’t try to pretend it wasn’t so strangely shocking and basically did not fit what we would expect from Scotty’s sensible and solid character. I also did like that ok he’s a flawed human being but I simply didn’t want that to be defined through cheating. I just hoped for something more complex perhaps. And I also did appreciate Saul backing off his earlier inflexible, harsh judgment of Scotty and waxing sentimental about how they were his dream couple. It was sweet and offered some hope. All in all, this SL is more interesting than them wanting a child I suppose. Maybe I'm opening up to it too.
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Post by lotuscat on Nov 11, 2010 2:41:54 GMT -5
Well, Kevin and Scotty are heading toward reconciliation. I wasn’t crazy about little Paige being the instigator. It was just way too much exasperating cuteness. Sigh. Why couldn’t Saul have been featured instead trying to get the boys back together? Now that would have been more realistic and much more interesting especially when he was rooting for them so sincerely at the end of the last episode. I wonder now if Kevin is going to want to cheat to get back at Scotty or if couples therapy is the next step?
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Post by softfurbear on Dec 7, 2010 8:39:43 GMT -5
Kevin & Scotty clips from 12.6.2010
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Post by gaysoapfan on Jan 3, 2011 8:39:13 GMT -5
Kevin and Scotty visit an adoption fair:
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Post by Jp on Jan 8, 2011 18:14:13 GMT -5
Well, Kevin and Scotty are heading toward reconciliation. I wasn’t crazy about little Paige being the instigator. It was just way too much exasperating cuteness. I agree with you lotuscat. Paige being the instigator was kind of annoying, for the lack of a better word. Anyway -- I loved the last episode, when they went to the adoption fair. It was really sweet and cute, and I love Olivia (the little girl. ;D) I hope that they actually end up adopting her, and that her parents do not come looking for her as soon as K&S become really attached to the little girl. Anyway -- can't wait for Sunday.
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Post by Jp on Jan 8, 2011 18:15:20 GMT -5
Kevin and Scotty visit an adoption fair: Side note: I love how you can hear Kevin saying "realistic" and his voice just stands out.
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Post by gaysoapfan on Jan 20, 2011 0:26:53 GMT -5
The two most recent episodes:
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Post by SF on Feb 16, 2011 20:58:40 GMT -5
wow - eventful valentines episode.
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Post by juliamby88 on Feb 18, 2011 18:30:55 GMT -5
Is it just me that's bothered with the fact that Scotty and Kevin haven't kissed? I mean the little things they do are adorable as all ways! I just have to wonder why?
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Post by aliceg on Feb 19, 2011 11:26:02 GMT -5
I can't actually remember the last time they properly kissed!!! I don't think brothers and sisters are afraid of it because saul and jonathan kissed this week!!
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Post by juliamby88 on Feb 19, 2011 19:40:34 GMT -5
Well that's just plain weird, maybe the actors aren't comfortable with it anymore.....
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Post by SF on Feb 19, 2011 20:04:51 GMT -5
i reckon its because saul and jonathan kissed this week. giving them some space to develop the saul/jonathan SL without flooding the show with gay-plot. saul and jonathan are cute and i'm not an outright ageist but really if its a choice between the watching the wrinklies or scotty and kevin - i know who i'd pick. mind you as far as progressive telly goes, an older gay couple is quite fab to see - i just wish they didn't seem to have this one alt-couple per episode/season perspective.
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Post by mtnviewboy on Feb 20, 2011 23:20:39 GMT -5
The show wasn't really focusing on the intimate scenes. You don't see the straight couple kissing much either in the show.
I always like the show, but the storyline can be sometimes a hit-or-miss. Both Saul/Jonathan and Kevin/Scotty/Olivia stories are quite good in my opinion; however the true star of the show is and always will be Sally Field.
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Post by juliamby88 on Apr 20, 2011 9:25:17 GMT -5
So is the baby Mechelle had Kevin and Scotty's?? Why would she keep her best friends baby??
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