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Post by psionycx on Jul 12, 2008 0:51:24 GMT -5
The whole thing generally had a lot of weird jumpy cuts. It was making me dizzy. Made me wonder if the problem is that during outdoor shoots like this one they have less freedom to get things right and repeat the scene many times because the light might go away. I think it was meant to convey the disjointed nature of photo shoots with untrained amateurs as models. This was three guys hamming it up in front of cameras in embarrassing board shorts and not-quite-cowboy hats. Professionalism was low, even with pro photographers on-site.
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Post by astuta on Jul 12, 2008 1:02:00 GMT -5
May I just add that I think that those huge sunglasses Gregor is wearing are hideous. I know they're probably very fashionable, but I'm just not feeling that trend... I like his blue eyes better without them. I have a question, who are those guys that are kissing in some of the avatars some people have? It looks... Intense ;D Which ones do you mean? Yours, actually
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 12, 2008 1:13:48 GMT -5
I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess that you probably mean Roman and Deniz, the couple from AWZ. You can find videos of them on the gay daytime blog and of course on youtube.
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Post by lala on Jul 12, 2008 1:41:24 GMT -5
I think the comments made by Psionycx and others are quite right. They are so obviously together that one would have to be blind to not pick it up. Heck, I'd even suggest that the blind would figure it out! well yes, with a little good-bye in unison at the end like that ;-)
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 12, 2008 2:54:04 GMT -5
May I just add that I think that those huge sunglasses Gregor is wearing are hideous. I know they're probably very fashionable, but I'm just not feeling that trend... I like his blue eyes better without them. Which ones do you mean? Yours, actually That would be Deniz (the brunette) & Roman (the blondish) from Alles Was Zählt. She's got the still moment & I have moving snippet of the scene. ;D Both are very lovely.
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Post by ivaniv on Jul 12, 2008 2:54:44 GMT -5
I liked the jumpy cuts, it was a quick sequence of strike a pose (or something), snap, and cut away. Plus the music. BTW I appreciated a pause on every pose, made capping the scene much easier. And that's why I think we were not deprived of anything when they cut away from Christian hugging Olli. In the spirit of the whole scene it was just time to show something else. I guess the VL team enjoyed shooting and cutting that scene. It was quite different from the usual soap stuff they do. Also a lot of exteriors in that ep. As for the swimwear, it's quality, size, diversity, I'd say we got a nice present with that scene, so I am not going to bitch that the wrapping was too big ;D
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Post by evilgeniuslady on Jul 12, 2008 3:04:47 GMT -5
Seeing the subtitled clip (thank you Nanna!), I can see how much I didn't understand the first time around. "Voll in Kopf", in particular, was a phrase I couldn't figure out. Ah well. If people wonder why I'm watching a German soap, I can always tell them I'm working on my language skills. ( Gregor has his work cut out for him with Rebecca. Christian and Olli are going to have a field day watching him trying to deny his feelings for her. I think she has him wrapped around her little finger right now, which is a very nice change from when he was fucking his way through the female population of Duesseldorf. The photo shoot itself felt a lot as if they were goofing around, deliberately trying to ham it up as much as possible. Some of those poses were beyond hilarious, like little children pretending to be models. If Rebecca's design was good enough to get her through the second round, then I dread to think how the other students' designs were.
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Post by amber80 on Jul 12, 2008 5:34:58 GMT -5
If people wonder why I'm watching a German soap, I can always tell them I'm working on my language skills. Sounds familiar... ;D May I just add that I think that those huge sunglasses Gregor is wearing are hideous. I know they're probably very fashionable, but I'm just not feeling that trend... I like his blue eyes better without them. Which ones do you mean? Yours, actually I just noticed you got your anwser already by Lola and Bonobochick, but indeed: those hot kissing guys are Deniz and Roman (DeRo) from Alles Was Zahlt (AWZ). You can find out all about them here. And again a big thanks to Ivan, Nanna and Tihkon!
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Post by synapticmisfire on Jul 12, 2008 8:36:55 GMT -5
Christian, please, shave Word - like I said yesterday, I actually kinda like the new hair, but the borderline knacker tache is just...it's detracting from his hotness, and that shouldn't be allowed! Re: Rebecca skinny-dipping, wow. Two days ago she's pushing the guy out of a boat and not letting him back in because he's too creepy. Today she's stripping in front of him alone in the woods to test his resolve. She's just...kinda accurate for an attractive 18-year-old with a lot of self-confidence and no maturity or concept of danger, actually, but that doesn't make her any less of an idiot. Re: the shoot in general, yeah, the trunks blew (that counts as "3 designs"? Hell, that counts as "revolutionising swimwear"? I mean, it's not like I'm particularly complaining about the thinly veiled excuse for half-naked photoshoots and skinny-dipping, but really...couldn't they have at least picked 3 clearly different styles? But really, it's hard to stay mad at VL when they're so willing to contrive reasons for Christian and Olli to be shirtless. "Today, Olli gets an anatomy lesson." "Today, Christian has spilled something on his shirt and needs to change it, in front of Olli." "Today, Christian and Olli's shirts have been stolen by...I dunno, one of the Lahnsteins. Who cares? More pec shots!" Re: the hug at the end, aw, glad I wasn't the only one wishing they had cut away a few seconds later. But seriously, Rebecca is on my list of "people who must know, or if they don't, need a firm slap upside the head" Re: Olli being more cut, to be fair, that's not necessarily surprising - he's got a much thinner build. I know guys who are shockingly fit but just don't have the build to have a decent six-pack, and others who have one almost by default because they're so skinny. And let's be clear here - Christian is still ride-tacular, so that's more than enough for me. And finally, re: the wave at the end, I cackled so hard at that! I could so get behind Christian and Olli just sitting in the background of every plotline being all couply and mocking the hell out of the rest of the cast. Like Statler and Waldorf, only gayer. And yes, that's just about the gayest Christian has looked since this whole plotline started - particularly appropriate after the comments in the past few days that Gregor is the more flamboyant of the two. Oh, one last thing - major, major thanks to everyone involved with the posting of videos and caps. You people are like saints, only better!
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Post by stuartsez on Jul 12, 2008 9:11:33 GMT -5
Ah, silly boys acting silly - this was really fun. Are Dusseldorfers (Dusseldorfians? Dusseldorfonians?) known for being oblivious? Because, really, how can anybody within 100 kilometers of them not know that Olli & Christian are a couple?
I didn't watch VL before Olli came around, so I can't really compare, but even with the closeted-in-boxing angst Christian is seems a lot more alive, a lot more there than he was before they got together.
And I agree, synapticmisfire, the Christler & Oldorf show is hi-larious.
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Post by psionycx on Jul 12, 2008 11:32:36 GMT -5
I have to say though that any sympathy I might have felt for Rebecca being stalked by Gregor has evaporated. The girl is a major tease!
Come on, she's just gotten done being all self-righteous about his attempt at romantic seduction on the boat and the subsequent debacle, but now she's turning around and shamelessly skinny-dipping with him! Talk about mixed-signals!
It reminds me of Star Wars Episode II. Padme complains about the way Anakin is coming onto her. But then her idea for going into hiding involves heading up to the lake country where she can stroll through the impossibly romantic landscape while wearing silky, backless gowns!
Rebecca's doing the same sort of "now-that-we've-established-that-you're-not-allowed-to-flirt-with-me-I'm-going-to-shamelessly-flirt-with-you" routine. Honestly, any worries about her youth and "innocence" have faded.
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Post by psionycx on Jul 12, 2008 11:51:54 GMT -5
I didn't watch VL before Olli came around, so I can't really compare, but even with the closeted-in-boxing angst Christian is seems a lot more alive, a lot more there than he was before they got together. Just watching the buildup, when Christian was still with Coco, I'd have to agree. When you put aside the traumas of the boxing issue Christian just seems a lot happier in his relationship with Olli. He's a playful, "big kid" kind of guy and Olli gets into that so they have fun together. It's so obvious now too. Even in No Limits Christian usually tries to stay as close to Olli as possible. Whenever Olli sits at the bar Christian always tries to stay really close to him. Plus now they have that cute-but-annoying couple/clone thing going on (the joint wave). But this is necessary to the story I have to say. Christian is coping with all the problems his relationship causes with boxing because it's abundantly clear that his relationship with Olli makes him truly happy. We, the audience, can easily understand why Christian doesn't just break up with Olli because we see that Olli is a key source of happiness in his life and their relationship is worth fighting for. This is a major contrast to Nuke over on ATWT where, quite frankly, their relationship has been such a disaster that it's hard to understand why Luke at least would want to be in a relationship with Noah other than having a martyr complex. Christian and Olli are not just in love, but they're also good friends, which is just so much better. Of course this causes them to emit a happy glow that you could get a tan from. I'm still waiting for Miriam to catch on because she's so close to it she must have sunburn by now.
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Post by aldebaran on Jul 12, 2008 12:17:05 GMT -5
I didn't watch VL before Olli came around, so I can't really compare, but even with the closeted-in-boxing angst Christian is seems a lot more alive, a lot more there than he was before they got together. Just watching the buildup, when Christian was still with Coco, I'd have to agree. When you put aside the traumas of the boxing issue Christian just seems a lot happier in his relationship with Olli. He's a playful, "big kid" kind of guy and Olli gets into that so they have fun together. To be fair, we should compare Chris & Olli now to Chris & Coco during the first months of their relationship. I didn't see much of them but very few moments in some early clips, so I can't say whether I agree with you or not. Maybe someone who was already following the soap one year ago can be more objective.
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Post by synapticmisfire on Jul 12, 2008 13:02:40 GMT -5
the Christler & Oldorf show Ha! Awesome stuartsez - I'm definitely 'appropriating' that for my own use.
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Post by danuta on Jul 12, 2008 13:17:04 GMT -5
Why no one sees Oliver and Christian as a couple? Christian loved women and he never showed any interest in man and Oliver likes both teams. As a friend I could presume that Christian still not over Coco (even his brother thought so); he, after the fight with Oliver, he acted as a true friend (tell the truth, be angry when you see your friend be mocked). Above all they are 2 single men who become 2 good friends having fun. No one but Coco saw Christian’s fight with himself. And even she needed to be told by Olivia about the kiss. why Judith saw the couple? I believe that she didn’t know the guys before she moved in and she saw the love where I as a friend can see a strong friendship.
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Post by gabriel78 on Jul 12, 2008 17:31:47 GMT -5
Christian is still ride-tacular, so that's more than enough for me. You can say THAT again!
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Post by j9l45 on Jul 12, 2008 17:39:57 GMT -5
Today, Christian and Olli's shirts have been stolen by...I dunno, one of the Lahnsteins. Who cares? More pec shots!" Best.Storyline.Ever. ;D Except it would probably be Olivia, as part of one of her schemes. I can totally picture her doing that. Or if they want to go all scary dramatic - Axel. That would be really creepy, yet somehow plausible.
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Post by j9l45 on Jul 12, 2008 17:51:33 GMT -5
Olli was definitely the most modelly (jayninism). Not because he is the most ripped, but because of the posing and angles. In the shots Rebecca looks at he has the casual but intentional poses and far off stare down pat. He looks like a real model. Where as Christian and Gregor look kinda goofy. I'm sure it was intentional, but still. It makes me wonder if Jo has done real life modeling.
Still really iffy about Rebecca, but am trying to reserve judgment. I will probably like her more once they get past this initial G/R teasing phase.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 12, 2008 17:56:20 GMT -5
Olli was definitely the biggest poser, while Christian looked self conscious and awkward - but it added to the authenticity of it all.
And Axel stealing their shirts - wow - kinda creepy, but somehow really plausible too ;D
I can understand whaty they're trying to do with the Grebecca "love story" but I agree with B-chick - there's no chemistry between them - visually (for me) they don't fit either.
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Post by psionycx on Jul 12, 2008 19:15:18 GMT -5
To be fair, we should compare Chris & Olli now to Chris & Coco during the first months of their relationship. I didn't see much of them but very few moments in some early clips, so I can't say whether I agree with you or not. Maybe someone who was already following the soap one year ago can be more objective. I have a hard time imagining Christian being able to manhandle and roughhouse with Coco the way that he does with Olli. Christian is very physical (he is a jock after all) and very playful. My impression of Coco was that she wasn't as physically-oriented. She preferred more "traditional" male-female interactions. As I said over on the spoilers thread, Olli is both partner and playmate for Christian, and I think that's a big part of their chemistry. They obviously also have a romantic/sexual aspect to their relationship. But I think that what really invigorates Christian is his freedom to do "guy" stuff with Olli. This doesn't make Coco a bad person. It just may have impacted her compatibility with a guy like Christian.
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Post by synapticmisfire on Jul 12, 2008 20:22:22 GMT -5
Why no one sees Oliver and Christian as a couple? Christian loved women and he never showed any interest in man and Oliver likes both teams. As a friend I could presume that Christian still not over Coco (even his brother thought so); he, after the fight with Oliver, he acted as a true friend (tell the truth, be angry when you see your friend be mocked). Above all they are 2 single men who become 2 good friends having fun. No one but Coco saw Christian’s fight with himself. And even she needed to be told by Olivia about the kiss. why Judith saw the couple? I believe that she didn’t know the guys before she moved in and she saw the love where I as a friend can see a strong friendship. My experience is that people who have known you for ages tend not to see these kind of things, because they have a particular image ingrained in their minds, but people who have just met you see you as you are now, and so are a lot more perceptive. Without wanting to get to personal, when I was in secondary school (high school for our trans-Atlantic readers) the one girl who picked up on the fact that I was gay was the one who joined in our penultimate year; the ones who had known me since I was 11 years old were clueless. Similarly, I can see someone like Gregor (or even Miriam at a stretch) not noticing that Christian and Olli are extra-friendly around each other. But someone like Judith coming in from the outside would see it immediately, and concurrently, I'd expect people like Lydia, Sebastian and Rebecca to pick up on it too. After all, these people have no knowledge of Coco; they just know that Olli and Christian are two young, attractive men who live together, spend all their time together, use pet names for each other and never have girlfriends. How many alternative conclusions can you draw from that? Best.Storyline.Ever. ;D Except it would probably be Olivia, as part of one of her schemes. I can totally picture her doing that. Or if they want to go all scary dramatic - Axel. That would be really creepy, yet somehow plausible. Oh wow, dude, we should totally team up and write soap operas! I'd pick the Axel storyline on this one - Olivia forcing her cousin to walk around shirtless, for whatever reason, rings creepy alarm bells in my mind. Plus, Axel is an insane stalker - anyone who takes the phrase "We're not friends, we're just sparring partners" to mean "We're friends and I'm just letting off steam" is sectionable. Olli was definitely the most modelly (jayninism). Not because he is the most ripped, but because of the posing and angles. In the shots Rebecca looks at he has the casual but intentional poses and far off stare down pat. He looks like a real model. Where as Christian and Gregor look kinda goofy. I'm sure it was intentional, but still. It makes me wonder if Jo has done real life modeling. A quick glance at IMDb confirms that Thore and Andreas have never done anything besides Vl, whereas Jo has had a much more varied career. Odds are that he's more used to posing for promo shots and the like than the other two. Thore in particular always seems kinda self-conscious in interviews, so it's not a huge stretch to assume that he was personally somewhat uncomfortable in a photoshoot scenario. (Hell, he's only two years older than me - I can more than understand that). Hell, Jo Weil is the oldest of the three of them; that's gotta count for something. I have a hard time imagining Christian being able to manhandle and roughhouse with Coco the way that he does with Olli. Christian is very physical (he is a jock after all) and very playful...But I think that what really invigorates Christian is his freedom to do "guy" stuff with Olli. This doesn't make Coco a bad person. It just may have impacted her compatibility with a guy like Christian. People have commented in another thread on the fact that Christian seemed to almost seek out opportunities for Olli to massage him when he hurt his shoulder; by contrast, he never seemed to get much out of Coco's massages. Maybe reading far too much into an innocent situation here, but it'd fit with the stuff we're seeing right now where he seems at his happiest when he's playing around with Olli - between the almost-push into the water on yesterday's episode, the scene with Olli lifting Christian and swinging him around or that scene on the main blog of Christian lifting Olli over his shoulders, Christian seems at his most comfortable when there's something masculine mixed in with the gay sex. And can anyone honestly blame him for that?
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Post by bugchicklv on Jul 13, 2008 0:44:49 GMT -5
Clearly Rebecca didn't read my memo about Brazilian thongs.... Dude, I really wish she had! LMAO! I was just in there today and I'll be damned if there wasn't a pair that reminded me of these! Seriously wishing I had my camera! (As a local though, I don't typically take it anywhere.)
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 13, 2008 0:55:08 GMT -5
I'm no expert, but particularly when Christian joined there seemed to be a lot of focus on physicality in Christian's and Nico's relationship. Like when he wants to plan a special day for them he takes her moutain biking. When he talks about their relationship and why he likes her independance he uses a camping metaphor. Their first big drama thing occurred when Andi, Coco, Nico and Christian went hinking together and Nico injured herself (and dundundun Coco had to decide whether to call for help in time or not). Then their reunion came when they ran some sort of city marathon together.
There seems to be a bit less of it with Coco, maybe because Coco was supposed to be more emotionally connected to him.
Sometimes it's really annoying when you are lacking some piece of the puzzle. In the summaries on the Vl site it mentions Christian, right after they got together, plotting a special surprise for Coco, but it backfires because it triggers some sort of trauma in her. But I couldn't find out what either the surprise or the trauma was. At this point I*m really curious because one of the really old episodes from pre-Christian times has Coco having a freakout in front of a mirror, being comforted by then boyfriend Robin and then stumbling around obviously confused and aimlessly in the streets and being rescued by Arno who finds her.
(BTW, it's a bit funny to see references to "traditional male-female interactions" because to me it always invokes either "woman in the kitchen" or "spoiled princess" images neither of which I don't think that "funky djane Coco" was supposed to be)
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Post by psionycx on Jul 13, 2008 1:08:00 GMT -5
When you can obtain comparable shorts in the Ohmigod-I-forget-my-bathing-suit-where-can-I-get-another-without-paying-casino-mall-prices I would have to say that Rebecca failed in the proposed assignment.
Ah, the CVS on the Strip. My destination for all the things I don't want to pay the absurd rate the casinos charge for everything from bottled water, to sunscreen to (digging through my drawers) a a pair of board shorts almost identical to the ones worn by our boys for this little lakeside photo shoot!
Then again, this is a German fashion school, not a French, Italian or Spanish one. As a rule, if you want an elegant skyscraper or a super-efficient hydroelectric dam the Germans are the ones to go to. If you want good fashion, look elsewhere.
I still remember staring in horror at a department store display in Frankfurt a few years back when pastels were apparently back in over there. They had a whole family of mannequins in flamingo pink. As I looked at a dummy of a young boy in a pink polo shirt with a white sweater tied around the neck all I could think was: "Yes, this is what you dress your son in when you want him to be beaten to death on the playground at school."
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Post by psionycx on Jul 13, 2008 1:17:34 GMT -5
(BTW, it's a bit funny to see references to "traditional male-female interactions" because to me it always invokes either "woman in the kitchen" or "spoiled princess" images neither of which I don't think that "funky djane Coco" was supposed to be) Coco strikes me more as a-couple-of-glasses-of-wine-in-front-of-the-fireplace, as opposed to hanging-out-by-a-campfire. She definitely doesn't strike me as a sling-her-over-my-shoulder kind of gal. As Christian summed it up (while trying to explain his breakup with her without admitting it's because he was aching for Olli) "She's a city girl, I'm a country boy." Coco's wardrobe, makeup and hair left me with the impression that this is not a woman that you do jock-ish things with. For example, as much as Olli was in no shape to keep up with Christian jogging, I flat out couldn't imagine Coco doing that with him at all. I definitely couldn't imagine her having fun with it, like Olli's failed attempt to outrun Christian.
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