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Post by ivaniv on Jul 18, 2008 0:44:30 GMT -5
I agree with stuartsez, when he called him gast84 he meant the guy he spent so many nice moments chatting with and now even not chatting. I think at this moment it was Christian's least problem that he called him by a nickname. He just got his ultimate proof that he's gay and it was starting to sink in.
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Post by danuta on Jul 18, 2008 12:25:29 GMT -5
Oliver was nice and sensitive but not enough… or he was speechless - lost like Christian. He ended up making love with the one he thought he never could have. And it was wonderful! Christian wanted a kiss and see what happens but he ended up suddenly giving and receiving much more that he could handle it.
I don’t buy first one. If Christian wanted Oliver away from him he would told him but also he could leave (I know it was his room). I agree with the second. He didn’t know what to say because he didn’t know what he wanted. I believe he wanted Oliver to stay. But Oliver walked out even if he wanted so much to stay.
After a while, yes. You remember the big fight and how Christian felt just before. He didn’t need to be remembered that. And I believe that calling him by nickname just did that.
what about tell that everything was an experiment. and call him Halunke, and the way he smiled
I don’t believe in long talks after. I do believe in my cigarette or a good sleep. So I didn’t expected that but can someone tell me when Oliver asked Christian the simple stupid question “How are you?” or “Are you OK?”. He went after hours when he didn’t have time to ask and by that time Christian already found away to build a wall around him.
please forgive my long message and hope I and my English make much sense from my previous one
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Post by ivaniv on Jul 18, 2008 14:18:07 GMT -5
I think you are misinterpreting those scenes completely.
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Post by amber80 on Jul 18, 2008 14:49:37 GMT -5
I'm with Ivan. I think Olli is one of the sweetest, caring people on VL and he was and is head over heels in love with Christian. So I don't think - read: I know for sure - that he wouldn't do anything to hurt Christian's feeling. He just wanted to give him some time; which he cleary needed seeing the uncomfortable look on his face.
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Post by neand48 on Jul 18, 2008 16:41:30 GMT -5
danuta I remember my first time... my partner and I talked... and my partner did not act like Olli... thing is though, I knew what I was... had accepted it... no lingering doubts whatsoever.
Not the same thing for Christian... and I believe that Olli's behaviour showed great love and wisdom... I was actually surprised by how well the writers handled the situation. Very perceptive I thought... something I rarely get to say.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 18, 2008 16:56:32 GMT -5
I thought Olli read the situation perfectly - bearing in mind that "love" scene resulted in the aftermath of a huge fight.
I think Christian's head was all over the place and Olli sensed it - this (imo) is clearly shown by Christian's reaction in the bathroom - to me one of the most powerful scenes in the whole "coming out" story of Christian.
In fact so terrified by the implications of having had sex with Olli - Christian immediately runs a mile in the opposite direction and tells Olli the next day that it was all just an experiment. This whole scene is not just about having sex for the first time - it's about realising / understanding you might be gay, and the huge implications this is going to have on your future life.
I so identified withy where Christian was at that moment and thought Olli's sensitivity to it was exceptional.
As for calling him Gast84 - Christian and Olli had been far closer and intimate as halunke & Gast84 - it was Olli's way of reminding Christian of this.
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Post by mgh48 on Jul 18, 2008 17:03:09 GMT -5
I remember going through something similar---my first time. Like a coward, I simply left the 'scene of the crime' (so to speak; of course it wasn't a crime, merely an idiom here people) and didn't see or speak to the guy for days. When I finally saw him again, I refused to talk about it---simply just didn't talk about it.
Then, it happened again. And again. And, well, there was no denying after that.
Geoff ;D
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Post by mgh48 on Jul 18, 2008 17:23:39 GMT -5
I thought Olli read the situation perfectly - bearing in mind that "love" scene resulted in the aftermath of a huge fight. I think Christian's head was all over the place and Olli sensed it - this (imo) is clearly shown by Christian's reaction in the bathroom - to me one of the most powerful scenes in the whole "coming out" story of Christian. In fact so terrified by the implications of having had sex with Olli - Christian immediately runs a mile in the opposite direction and tells Olli the next day that it was all just an experiment. This whole scene is not just about having sex for the first time - it's about realising / understanding you might be gay, and the huge implications this is going to have on your future life. I so identified withy where Christian was at that moment and thought Olli's sensitivity to it was exceptional. As for calling him Gast84 - Christian and Olli had been far closer and intimate as halunke & Gast84 - it was Olli's way of reminding Christian of this. Sheepie, you are so right, here. I remember the very night when I finally was able to admit to myself that I was Gay. I was a teenager and after repeated episodes (as I note in my previous post) I remember thinking: no, it's not possible. I *can't* be! Then, the other side saying, but er, yeah---you have to be. There is no other logical explanation. I'm a very logical person---but that night was soooo emotional I couldn't grasp logic. It was terrifying, but somehow alluring at the same time. I internalized my struggle, unlike Christian does in this scene. He brings it all out on the surface. I remember feeling just exactly the way he looked when he stares at himself in that mirror. Eventually, you cannot escape from your own morbid, harmful self-denial. Geoff
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Post by stuartsez on Jul 18, 2008 18:21:00 GMT -5
Yeah - that moment of self-realization in the mirror was very well done.
I'm really intrigued by the different interpretations - we all see them through the lens of our own experiences and dreams, and it's cool to read what others see.
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 19, 2008 10:06:02 GMT -5
IMO, Christian is not a talker and IMO Christian doesn't want to look weak in front of others. At this point IMO he wasn't ready to admit to Olli or himelf how much he was in love with Olli, so IMO at this point he didn't WANT to see Olli see him vulnerable, so he was just hanging on a thread keeping his composure. He is not a girl. I don't think he wanted to be comforted in this situation, at this point. It's a question of honor. He wanted to collect himself and Olli did just the right thing in giving him that space at this point, so Christian could have his freakout in private and then collect his dignity (in Christian's mind).
I think Christian is somebody who doesn't want to seem weak in front of others and if he gets to be that it's a huge sign of trust. And I think in this situation he didn't trust Olli to this extent yet. Sure, he was on the brink of it, but it still needed to be done bit by bit.
I believe Olli has a good sense of when he needs to let off and when he needs to be forceful about something and this was cleary a case to me where he needed to back off, just like 04.04 was a time when he needed to not back down. IMO you see the same dynamic repeated in the weeks after that regarding the situation of Christian outing himself.
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Post by fortheloveofgays on Jul 20, 2008 0:39:14 GMT -5
IMO, Christian is not a talker and IMO Christian doesn't want to look weak in front of others. At this point IMO he wasn't ready to admit to Olli or himelf how much he was in love with Olli, so IMO at this point he didn't WANT to see Olli see him vulnerable, so he was just hanging on a thread keeping his composure. He is not a girl. I don't think he wanted to be comforted in this situation, at this point. It's a question of honor. He wanted to collect himself and Olli did just the right thing in giving him that space at this point, so Christian could have his freakout in private and then collect his dignity (in Christian's mind). I think Christian is somebody who doesn't want to seem weak in front of others and if he gets to be that it's a huge sign of trust. And I think in this situation he didn't trust Olli to this extent yet. Sure, he was on the brink of it, but it still needed to be done bit by bit. I believe Olli has a good sense of when he needs to let off and when he needs to be forceful about something and this was cleary a case to me where he needed to back off, just like 04.04 was a time when he needed to not back down. IMO you see the same dynamic repeated in the weeks after that regarding the situation of Christian outing himself. But I think this is exactly the point Lolaruns Christian didn't want to look weak, or be taken advantage of for that matter. So I think that Christian looking for reassurance that this wasn't just a one night stand. Because as you also said Christian is a man of honor and he wouldn't just sleep with Olli on a careless whim, he really cared about Olli and he had to know is some small way that that was were Olli's head was as well. So maybe comforted is not the right term, but it seems obvious to me that Christian needed some sort of sign that what was going on between him and Olli was real emotion and not just some platonic one night stand.
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 20, 2008 0:59:05 GMT -5
I don't think that that was ever the issue. Christian knew that Olli loved him, that Olli had confessed his love for him and that Olli had said he would support him no matter what. I think that Christian knew that it was up to him to decide whether HE wanted to take the relationship further than a one night stand, something that was definitely a freak out worthy issue. So no, I don't think he needed a sign, I think he knew pretty much exactly where Olli stood and that Òlli loved and wanted him, he just wasn't sure what he himself wanted and was able to give.
Meanwhile after this Olli to me tried to show with little things (giving Christian the anchor, showing up for the running test) that he was there for Christian. At this point Christian was still highly hostile to him (telling him that whenever he saw Olli he couldn't stop thinking about the sex and that he hated that). Even when he finally gave in, he first still tried to deny it and pass it off as just a friendship thing (saying that he "just" wanted to protect Olli from being taken advantage of) and then said that he had been fighting falling in love with Olli.
I think at the first time they had sex Christian was nowhere near conciously wanting a full on relationship with Olli considering that the sex wasn't planned in slightest and that he had just found out that Olli was halunke. So no, I really don't think that it was the case that at this point Christian wanted/knew he wanted a real relationship with Olli and was shocked that Olli ran out on him. I think he was way too freaked out about it and I think pushing him on the issue would have just freaked him out more and made him more aggressive.
But what's a whim? To me the situation and reason they slept together definitely was a whim and entirely unplanned by both of them. It started with a huge fight and then continued only because Olli ran after Christian, confronted him about the things he had said in the chat and then dared him.
Now the emotions weren't whimsical as they had been talking about them for a while but they weren't exactly clear either. I too think that Christian wouldn't have slept with Olli if he didn't have any emotions for Olli, but at this point the emotions were still highly complicated even if they were clearly emotions.
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Post by ivaniv on Jul 20, 2008 3:08:04 GMT -5
I don't like "me 2" posts, but I agree with Lola here, she put what I was thinking and much more to words very eloquently, so there's no need for me to try, too ;D
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Post by chrollifan211 on Mar 7, 2010 16:37:01 GMT -5
OK I know that it has been almost two years since this episode and their first time happened but It would be so nice to remember and reminise about it since the two year anniversary isnt that off and I for one love this scene
The love scene is just hot!!! Olli did go for Christians zipper and button on his jeans awful quick but he realized that maybe it was to fast for Christian, then that look and Christian just gave him self over to the passion! So powerful!
The scene in the bathroom was stunning! you can actually hear Thore sob! I wonder what it was like for him and Jo to do these first time scenes? That would be interesting to hear about!
They havent really had a scene like this in a very long time, well since the strawberry scene:D I love that scene! I can only hope that we get one again very soon!
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Post by chrollifan211 on Mar 11, 2010 0:48:34 GMT -5
doesn't anybody wanna remnise about this first time??? They are due for another "first time" LOL
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