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Post by ivaniv on Mar 30, 2008 14:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 30, 2008 14:52:33 GMT -5
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Post by susurrus on Mar 30, 2008 14:59:28 GMT -5
Aww, the best scene so far.  Btw, I used your caps for my avatar so thanks again for sharing them!  |
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Post by stuartsez on Jul 14, 2008 23:33:28 GMT -5
I've been re-watching the eps this weekend, and I'm curious - the first 30 seconds of this clip, where Olli reaches for Christian's package, but Christian grabs his hand, they pause, Olli touches Christian's face and they kiss tenderly - what do you see happening? What do you think they're saying to each other?
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Post by aussie54 on Jul 15, 2008 0:12:13 GMT -5
I think Christian's saying "slow down ..." then I think Olli lets him know that Christian can be in charge, and that Christian can call the shots. Olli hands over the reins, so to speak. Olli's just gorgeous in this. So caring.  |
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Post by evilgeniuslady on Jul 15, 2008 0:48:33 GMT -5
I agree that Olli "hands over the reins", so to speak. I think he's initially going straight for the "traditional" one night stand aspect, ie sex, but Christian freaks out because he's still not entirely comfortable with being physically attracted to Olli, so Olli signals that whatever he wants is okay by him, even if it's just kissing. Christian is in charge. And then of course Christian makes up his mind that he does indeed want the sex, and he pulls down Olli's zipper while looking straight into his eyes. It's a gorgeous scene, not the least because the emotions are so raw.
Incidentally, I think that's a major part of why Christian freaks out so badly later - Christian was in complete charge of what happened, and he was the one who decided that just kissing wasn't going to be enough. He can't lie to himself about his own part in that night, can't explain it away, but it takes him a while (and Olli confronting him) to acknowledge what he wants.
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Post by eldanesh on Jul 15, 2008 0:58:22 GMT -5
oh, evilgeniuslady i was just thinking the same thing!
well, great minds think alike i guess ;D
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Post by ivaniv on Jul 15, 2008 1:01:58 GMT -5
Well he could still blame him despite everything, but he never did. That's what I like about Christian.
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Post by fortheloveofgays on Jul 15, 2008 9:30:43 GMT -5
Ooh... My favorite scene, I must have rewound this scene at least a hundred times, that kiss is so passionate:0
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Post by stuartsez on Jul 15, 2008 12:28:38 GMT -5
That's interesting. My interpretation of this bit is somewhat different. Emotion has finally overcome reason, and they start kissing madly. Olli goes for the gold, but when Christian stops him, I see that as Christian asking if it's just about the sex, if Olli just wants into his pants. Olli changing pace from fierce to gentle, and touching Christian's face so tenderly is his way of saying that no, it's about the head and the heart, about the romance and the connection between them - it's about love, not just sex.
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Post by fortheloveofgays on Jul 15, 2008 12:49:37 GMT -5
That's interesting. My interpretation of this bit is somewhat different. Emotion has finally overcome reason, and they start kissing madly. Olli goes for the gold, but when Christian stops him, I see that as Christian asking if it's just about the sex, if Olli just wants into his pants. Olli changing pace from fierce to gentle, and touching Christian's face so tenderly is his way of saying that no, it's about the head and the heart, about the romance and the connection between them - it's about love, not just sex. That is a beautiful interpretation   I agree looking at it again especially since it's not like Christian really pulls away, he gives him a questioning look. |
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 15, 2008 14:16:19 GMT -5
That's interesting. My interpretation of this bit is somewhat different. Emotion has finally overcome reason, and they start kissing madly. Olli goes for the gold, but when Christian stops him, I see that as Christian asking if it's just about the sex, if Olli just wants into his pants. Olli changing pace from fierce to gentle, and touching Christian's face so tenderly is his way of saying that no, it's about the head and the heart, about the romance and the connection between them - it's about love, not just sex. I see it more this way too - the whole reason that Christians "gay" feelings have been awoken is because he has fallen in love with Olli - it did surprise me the first time I watched it that Olli was so quick to make a " grab" for him. There has been much talk about how Olli has helped Christian on his road to discovering himself - but maybe Christian has taught Olli a little about how to "love" someone too? |
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Jul 15, 2008 14:36:47 GMT -5
That's interesting. My interpretation of this bit is somewhat different. Emotion has finally overcome reason, and they start kissing madly. Olli goes for the gold, but when Christian stops him, I see that as Christian asking if it's just about the sex, if Olli just wants into his pants. Olli changing pace from fierce to gentle, and touching Christian's face so tenderly is his way of saying that no, it's about the head and the heart, about the romance and the connection between them - it's about love, not just sex. I see it more this way too - the whole reason that Christians "gay" feelings have been awoken is because he has fallen in love with Olli - it did surprise me the first time I watched it that Olli was so quick to make a " grab" for him. There has been much talk about how Olli has helped Christian on his road to discovering himself - but maybe Christian has taught Olli a little about how to "love" someone too? I thought that, too, at first--and that the 'grope' didn't make sense since they'd been so sensitive each to the other's situation during their 'chats'. So then I thought maybe it's not really a grope, but O's reaching for C's shirt--i e, wanting to remove it, wanting closer contact--which is understandable and a reflection of love as well as lust . . . and which then, of course, Christian undertakes 'in his own time' . . . |
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Post by nanna on Jul 15, 2008 14:50:22 GMT -5
I just re-watched that scene and Olli just wanting to take Christian's shirt off doesn't make a lot of sense. In that case he should have tried to take Christian's jacket off first.
Olli was a party boy till he fell in love with Christian and had no objections to having a one-night-stand (see Timo). And him wanting to have sex with Christian feels very realistic to me. He's a guy and that's what they want (thank God!). It's the nice ones that will respect their partner's wishes and who are able to pull back and show them that it's not just about sex. I prefer that very much to watching the eternal hand-holding on ATWT.
That scene was very romantic and at the same time very hot. Thank you for making this thread become active again, Stuartsez.
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Post by evilgeniuslady on Jul 15, 2008 15:00:34 GMT -5
That's interesting. My interpretation of this bit is somewhat different. Emotion has finally overcome reason, and they start kissing madly. Olli goes for the gold, but when Christian stops him, I see that as Christian asking if it's just about the sex, if Olli just wants into his pants. Olli changing pace from fierce to gentle, and touching Christian's face so tenderly is his way of saying that no, it's about the head and the heart, about the romance and the connection between them - it's about love, not just sex. I see it more this way too - the whole reason that Christians "gay" feelings have been awoken is because he has fallen in love with Olli - it did surprise me the first time I watched it that Olli was so quick to make a " grab" for him. There has been much talk about how Olli has helped Christian on his road to discovering himself - but maybe Christian has taught Olli a little about how to "love" someone too? I think Olli was overwhelmed by the situation, and actually kissing Christian after wanting him for months, but thinking he could never have him. At that moment he wasn't thinking at all, he simply reacted the way he would have with any of his one night stands, going straight for the package. He fancies Christian, so why wouldn't he try to have sex with him? As for the two different interpretations, I think they both work, maybe even together. Christian is freaked out by the sex aspect - whether it be because it's 'gay' sex, or because he wants it to be about more than just sex, because in that moment he doesn't want to be a one night stand, well, I'm not sure he himself knows. It could easily be both, given how he's tried to repress his feelings for so long. He must have been a mess of raw emotions in that moment. I'm not sure Olli knows exactly what's going on either, he just knows instinctually that Christian needs to do things at his own pace, and the fact that Olli's so willing to go along with that speaks volumes about him. He wants to do this the right way, he wants Christian to feel safe and loved, and if it means he doesn't get any sex, then so be it. (Olli is the best boyfriend ever) I love the way the entire scene (starting from the episode before this) switches so quickly from anger to lust to tenderness. It's no wonder Christian couldn't get it out of his head afterwards. ;D |
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 15, 2008 15:13:48 GMT -5
I always thought along the lines of Nanna and EGL that Olli was used to just going for it with his ONS and that combined with his dream coming true of being with Christian just set the mood for him being rather no holds barred about it. I think two-fold Christian slowed him down, partially because of fear of the unknown and also to gauge where Olli was coming from. Initially it was anger on Christian's side and desperation on Olli's that melded into something much more tender by the time they went for the bed.  |
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Post by stuartsez on Jul 15, 2008 15:20:51 GMT -5
I see the reach as going for the goods, too, rather than to just take C's shirt off. To me, it's that Olli has been wanting this for so long - dreaming about it, and angsting about it, and probably wanking off about it - and now he's finally got a chance at it, so he goes for the main event right away. If this is his only chance, he wants to strike while the iron is hot, so to speak [grin]. When Christian slows him down, maybe he realizes that this isn't necessarily a one-off, that there's the chance for more, so he can relax and take his time getting there.
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Post by RJ on Jul 15, 2008 23:58:45 GMT -5
What an amazing scene! I can't believe this thread only had 2 replies after the screen caps, till this recent revival!
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Post by eldanesh on Jul 16, 2008 0:28:18 GMT -5
well at least it got revived, right RJ?
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Post by ivaniv on Jul 16, 2008 0:50:49 GMT -5
Madness about this episode happened on another forum where we were just one off topic thread. But since we had upstaged the whole forum and its main purpose we moved here and that's how TGOD message board was created. We brought all files with us for the future visitors  |
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Post by RJ on Jul 17, 2008 2:06:43 GMT -5
Madness about this episode happened on another forum where we were just one off topic thread. But since we had upstaged the whole forum and its main purpose we moved here and that's how TGOD message board was created. We brought all files with us for the future visitors Ah! Thanks for clearing up the mystery. What was the other forum where you caused all the chaos? |
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Post by danuta on Jul 17, 2008 16:27:22 GMT -5
The part I hated it: what Oliver did after he made love with Christian.  I am pretty sure that Christian was amazing and Oliver too but Christian kind of lost his virginity: so everything was about him not how wonderful Oliver felt even if he was with Christian… Why he chose to call him Gast84 instead of Christian (I know the chat room but still a bad excuse). At the door Oliver said an impersonal “Really wonderful”. Could he be more insensitive? >:(Actually he was: when he got off the bed I could swear that Christian wanted to be kissed and hold by Oliver and not asked if he wanted to be alone and left alone. If I hadn’t known how much he was loves Christian I would said that he used him. I never thought I could be upset by Oliver but now I am, he could react much better. The first time seems to be a little embarrassed for everyone. |
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Post by summerinthecity on Jul 17, 2008 17:34:17 GMT -5
The part I hated it: what Oliver did after he made love with Christian. I am pretty sure that Christian was amazing and Oliver too but Christian kind of lost his virginity: so everything was about him not how wonderful Oliver felt even if he was with Christian… Why he chose to call him Gast84 instead of Christian (I know the chat room but still a bad excuse). At the door Oliver said an impersonal “Really wonderful”. Could he be more insensitive? >:(Actually he was: when he got off the bed I could swear that Christian wanted to be kissed and hold by Oliver and not asked if he wanted to be alone and left alone. If I hadn’t known how much he was loves Christian I would said that he used him. I never thought I could be upset by Oliver but now I am, he could react much better. The first time seems to be a little embarrassed for everyone. Now this interpretation came as a real surprise to me as it is very differing from mine, actually I always thought Oli was behaving really nice and sensitive here. For once, the first question was "Shall I get us something to drink" meaning that he would come back. That was when Christian had already this slightly troubled and confused look on his face. It was only then that Oli asked if Christian wanted to be alone (to me he didn't give the impression to be very keen on leaving, though). Christian didn't answer which I took as a "Yes, but I don't want to be a complete ass telling you so" or else maybe as a "Yes, no, yes, I don't know". So to me it looked like Oli was trying to give Christian some space and time to sort himself out. It never occured to me that Christian would be keen on discussing his feelings with Oli right at this moment, so imo Oli telling him that he thought it had been wonderful, was the only thing he could do at this moment. When Oli came back some time later the first thing Christian said was "You surely want to know how I'm feeling now" - which imo shows that Christian didn't seem to think that Oli had been using him either - otherwise he wouldn't have assumed that Oli was concerned about his feelings. |
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Post by restenergy on Jul 17, 2008 18:29:07 GMT -5
I also find Danuta's interpretation surprising. Like Summerinthecity, I interpreted Olli's words and behavior as trying to be sensitive to Christian. I think the "really wonderful" comment was Olli knowing he had to say something, something that was both true and very positive, but also feeling a bit awkward. It wasn't the time for a long speech, and being in the awkward position of not really knowing what to say (what would be good and what might not be so good) and how to extract one's self, was there much else he could say. And Olli knows that such a time can be a very confusing time with lots of mixed emotions. He should know this not only from his own experience, but also from what Christian has said in the chat room. As far as calling Christian "Gast84" instead of "Christian", I thought it was kind of cute and endearing. I think it was intended as such, and the way Christian talked to Olli the next day indicates he didn't find any of this insensitive, no matter what the content of what he said might have been communicating. That's my take on it, anyway.
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Post by stuartsez on Jul 18, 2008 0:32:12 GMT -5
I thought he was calling Christian "Gast84" to remind him how close they were in the chat - that he wasn't just Olli, but also "Halunke" who Christian had already poured his heart out to. I do agree that it was a bit odd of Olli to take off so quickly, though. I would have stuck around, tried to reassure C that it was ok by acting like it was totally normal.
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