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Post by justinate on Jan 24, 2022 8:54:17 GMT -5
Some surprising gay content in the latest episode of Euphoria - sadly, as it's a flashback, it's probably a one-off.
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Post by kevvoi on Jan 31, 2022 20:53:27 GMT -5
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Post by carld2 on Feb 1, 2022 0:24:43 GMT -5
Everything I have seen of Euphoria is art school trash, but as much as I am wary of yet another brew of a) doomed gay romance making one become monstrous and b) depraved bisexual tropes, Eric Dane is playing the hell out of this part and they have managed to toe the line between understanding him without asking to justify his actions. The scene where he came out to his family in the crudest, most defiant way was some kind of high wire between bro ignorance and pure camp.
It would be nice if they had other queer male characters on the show as a balance, but I'm not that surprised we just get this.
I actually wonder if the powers that be intended to ever give the Cal character this much spotlight. I know there are rumors going around about major characters from the first season having their stories cut way down for one reason or another.
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Post by justinate on Feb 1, 2022 6:37:12 GMT -5
The young Cal-Derek scenes were nice (frankly they felt like they were from another show, tonally it was noticeably different). Well, at least until the supremely cliched ending of the gay couple finally acknowledging their attraction to each other the very night before one of them finds out he's knocked up his girlfriend.
I've heard a lot about rumored issues affecting the production of season 2 but have no idea what the substance of those issues are. It's a shame if that caused us to lose out on any gay storytelling but somehow I doubt there will be any more gay male content since they've got Cal as our not-so-proud rep, and a lot of female queer and trans representation. Actually the new character of Elliott (Dominick Fike) implies that he's pansexual but has so far only expressed interest in women.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 1, 2022 10:47:58 GMT -5
Did Elliott and Jules go all the way all I have seen are clips that was something Elliott jumped out of bed with a Hard on he had to hide
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 1, 2022 13:13:43 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 4, 2022 5:26:08 GMT -5
some are posting Elliott is Nates brother
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 4, 2022 14:14:25 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 4, 2022 14:18:05 GMT -5
Euphoria The season finale is set to air on Sunday, Feb. 27.
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Post by kevvoi on Feb 4, 2022 14:36:01 GMT -5
Thread for the discussion of the show Euphoria including Cal and Derek's storyline. I will move the posts over from the Episodes in mainstream TV thread shortly.
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Post by kevvoi on Feb 4, 2022 15:51:46 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Feb 5, 2022 19:36:32 GMT -5
Cal coming out - courtesy of Euphoria Clips:
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 5, 2022 22:16:09 GMT -5
I can not get HBO right now all i get are the review so I would like to ask has Nate been with same sex or has that story been dropped also is it true we get to see Elliott's ass nude
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Post by justinate on Feb 5, 2022 22:57:34 GMT -5
I can not get HBO right now all i get are the review so I would like to ask has Nate been with same sex or has that story been dropped also is it true we get to see Elliott's ass nude No, Nate has not had any same-sex dalliance (and in fact that plot seems to have been dropped totally, he's not having any intimacy issues with girls anymore). And none of the male regulars have had any nude scenes in this new season so far, except Angus Cloud who plays Fezco.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 6, 2022 8:13:47 GMT -5
I can not get HBO right now all i get are the review so I would like to ask has Nate been with same sex or has that story been dropped also is it true we get to see Elliott's ass nude No, Nate has not had any same-sex dalliance (and in fact that plot seems to have been dropped totally, he's not having any intimacy issues with girls anymore). And none of the male regulars have had any nude scenes in this new season so far, except Angus Cloud who plays Fezco. Thanks someone posted that they showed Jules and Elliott after they did it
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Post by overtherainbow on Feb 6, 2022 13:52:51 GMT -5
I have always thought it was a mistake to add a trans character instead of a gay one. I think it makes more sense that a closeted gay guy would hook up with other guys instead of trans people. That storyline with Cal never made sense to me. And the fact that Nate who has always had issues with his girlfriends is totally straight... wtf?! For a while it looked like he was gay and about to come out, but they totally dropped the ball on that story. Very disappointing.
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 13, 2022 14:28:11 GMT -5
I heard the rumour that Jacob Elordi agents were not happy with the direction of his character and thought he could be typecast if he played gay. That could explain why they drop totally a storyline they built
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Post by justinate on Feb 13, 2022 22:42:55 GMT -5
I heard the rumour that Jacob Elordi agents were not happy with the direction of his character and thought he could be typecast if he played gay. That could explain why they drop totally a storyline they built If this is true, I cannot even begin to understand it. It's not like Elordi is onto his third or fourth gay role. As far as I'm aware, he's never played a gay role before. And also, it's 2022. Are actors still afraid of being typecast just because they play a gay role? Elordi has the added benefit of already being an established actor for whom Euphoria is just one line in his CV; frankly his biggest claim to fame is The Kissing Booth franchise. Is he not worried about being typecast as the rom-com jock? The gay (male) storytelling on this show is particularly abysmal. Not only have they totally dropped Nate's sexual confusion and turned Cal into a gay pedo who somehow still enjoys performing oral sex on women, apparently tonight's episode hints that Nate has been sexually abused by his dad since he was only 8 years old. That's really all we need.
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Post by carld2 on Feb 16, 2022 20:53:00 GMT -5
I heard the rumour that Jacob Elordi agents were not happy with the direction of his character and thought he could be typecast if he played gay. That could explain why they drop totally a storyline they built If this is true, I cannot even begin to understand it. It's not like Elordi is onto his third or fourth gay role. As far as I'm aware, he's never played a gay role before. And also, it's 2022. Are actors still afraid of being typecast just because they play a gay role? Elordi has the added benefit of already being an established actor for whom Euphoria is just one line in his CV; frankly his biggest claim to fame is The Kissing Booth franchise. Is he not worried about being typecast as the rom-com jock? The gay (male) storytelling on this show is particularly abysmal. Not only have they totally dropped Nate's sexual confusion and turned Cal into a gay pedo who somehow still enjoys performing oral sex on women, apparently tonight's episode hints that Nate has been sexually abused by his dad since he was only 8 years old. That's really all we need. With hyperfixation, parasocial relationships, etc. seemingly more powerful than ever these days due to social media, I'm not that surprised if Elordi's agents were wary, especially since Euphoria gets a ton of buzz. I also get the sense from some of the rumors on the set that he or his people may have seen him as the big star (which may be why it feels like his role has been downgraded compared to the first season). I do wonder if any of Nate's story was given to Cal this season. The show tries very hard to be muddled with Cal where he does shocking things for the plot but they never want to fully pull the trigger on making him evil. Still, you'd think he wasn't a character we were meant to sympathize with, especially if that spoiler comes true. The story with Derek, the tragic gay love story element, is a weird mix with the Cal we see today, who just goes around saying he'll fuck anybody. Tonally, it's an odd switch. I wonder if they may have intended to introduce a backstory for Nate about a friend, maybe from right before the show started, or even bring someone new in for the season. Then when Elordi's people (allegedly) said no, that was shifted to Cal, and we got the flashbacks. I just tend to wonder if Cal got way more airtime than they would have originally planned earlier in this season due to whatever backstage conflicts have spilled out onscreen with several cast members.
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Post by justinate on Feb 17, 2022 6:37:21 GMT -5
Well, I feel like we've either been queer-baited (if there was never any intention to make Nate queer) or been stiffed by an actor/agent's concerns about playing a gay role. Neither is a good look for the show, especially when their sole portrayal of a queer man on the show is Cal, who already plays into some of the worst tropes about gay fathers even before you get to him possibly killing and/or raping one of his own sons.
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Post by mizuryuu on Feb 17, 2022 14:35:46 GMT -5
One thing I never get is shouldn't the actor and his agent have found out about a gay storyline pretty early? At least early enough to have refused it so the writers can adjust the script? I know for a lot of shows, even if the actors don't know every detail of the main plot, the general overarching character arc for their character is usually somewhat sketched out early on. It isn't something where they are writing ep 9 and suddenly thought, why not make this character gay. So why do we get these half-aborted gay storylines anyway?
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 19, 2022 14:58:48 GMT -5
Probably is nothing more than a rumour (the change of path of the storyline simply fits).
Elordi published pics of himself hugging and kissing Tommy Dorffman (pre transition), so he doesn't seem to have any fear to fuel rumours
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Post by justinate on Feb 21, 2022 12:05:43 GMT -5
For those wondering where Cal and Nate's story is headed, yesterday's scene of Nate's nightmare perhaps offers the strongest hint yet.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 21, 2022 12:29:51 GMT -5
For those wondering where Cal and Nate's story is headed, yesterday's scene of Nate's nightmare perhaps offers the strongest hint yet. what was his nightmare
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Post by justinate on Feb 21, 2022 12:34:56 GMT -5
Nate dreamt that his dad threw him onto the bed and got on top of him (both implied to be naked, although only shown from the waist up). My guess is they're going to try and redeem Nate by revealing that he was sexually abused by his dad as a child. If that's the case, then the show's only queer male character is a pedophile who raped his own small kid (previous episode had Nate's mother say he used to be a sweet kid who suddenly changed when he was 8-9 years old), because of his unresolved gay attraction to his best friend when they were teens.
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