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Post by AndreB on Dec 4, 2017 14:53:27 GMT -5
"Sturm der Liebe" is a German telenovela running since 2005, set in a luxurious hotel in the middle of idyllic Alpine landscape. They have a new "dream couple" in every season, but also many smaller stories. Boris is a closeted gay man working as a hotel manager for his homophobic father. There is a speculation that Boris will have a relationship with triathlete Paul. I have not seen any conclusive evidence yet, but I´m also not active in the fandom. There is a scene in the season trailer where two naked men are busy in the elevator, but we don´t see their faces. You can watch the trailer in here. Some "experts" have identified these men as Boris and Paul. For example this YT account, where you can also see some scenes with Boris. At least until mid-January there are are only a few spoiler pics about Boris and Paul as friends. Written spoilers indicate that Paul may rather have a lovestory with a girl - there is a build-up with a lot of soapy misunderstandings. Paul has also some family drama with his sister and a story about doping. Boris has a fake girlfriend (because of his dad), gives some style advice, is suspected in murder etc. So there will be certainly some gay stuff, but Boris is not part of a main couple which means that his own story might be rather limited and he has more of a supporting role. I noticed that one of the writers is Tom Chroust, a gay screenwriter who also created Christian-Olli and some other gay stories in German soap operas "Verbotene Liebe" and "Alles was zählt". So a gay character might be his idea. You can watch full episodes in German in here. In the last episode Boris got almost outed to his father. Spoiler pic: "Boris (Florian Frowein, in the gray shirt) offers Paul (Sandro Kirtzel) a job at the restaurant". Copyright: ARDSpoiler pic: Paul talks to Boris about his upcoming competition. Copyright: ARDBoris with his brother Viktor (the main hero). Copyright: ARD
Some cute Paul Boris. Copyright: ARD
Some naked Paul with his potential girlfriend. Copyright: ARD
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Post by scmian on Dec 4, 2017 15:25:00 GMT -5
Yeah I noticed this when someone posted some English subtitles of whats happens so far. youtu.be/0ENvBYZHAPI
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Post by ronweasley on Dec 5, 2017 9:29:02 GMT -5
While Boris might fall in love with Paul, right now I think this might be one-sided. Paul is sort of a playboy and right now a storyline starts, where he is basically torn between two women. I am not sure if a gay storyline fits into this.
That said, Boris definitely is gay, and I'm pretty sure he will have a male love interest sooner or later.
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Post by nlklinh on Dec 5, 2017 10:55:36 GMT -5
Idk if im ready for another gay-straight storyline after many shits soap has put me through >< But goshh, this storyline looks good, and both actors r hot af.
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Post by morningsun7 on Dec 5, 2017 11:25:43 GMT -5
Could Paul be bi ? I'm worried they would spin it as him being 100% gay even if he does get with Boris and had girlfriends before, but it'd be nice to have a well written bi character sometimes. (*cough*denis on awz hasn't dated a boy since roman has he*cough*)
(also, is it just me or wouldn't it be great to have a story with a guy who's already out to his friend and is comfortable in his own skin and is only not out to his father/parents because it wouldn't be safe for him to be? i am kinda tired of seeing young men come out with some difficulties to his friends and look so ashamed. altho, i know it's still the reality for many guys. but maybe it'd help not feel ashamed if we saw people being proud of being lgbt+ on tv? and i don't mean like talking about it 100% of the time, just not feel ashamed everytime it's brought up and talk about it like any straight person talks about their relationship/crushes/hook ups)
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Post by ronweasley on Dec 5, 2017 17:50:59 GMT -5
Yes, Paul could be bi. He's a new character, by the way. (And Boris is pretty new as well.) It's just that storywise I don't think it's going to lead in that direction.
In contrast to Verbotene Liebe or the three soaps on RTL, Sturm der Liebe isn't a soap but a telenovela. The people involved call the show a modern fairytale, and even though it doesn't have any fantasy elements, I can see, where they are coming from. In it's best days, by the way, it had a market share of more than 30% in Germany, which makes it together with GZSZ the most successfull of the German dailys, (the two shows have a totally different target audience).
In every season, it has a new female and male character. They are going to become a couple and marry at the end of the season. Then they leave town and make room for the next main couple. This is how it happened since the show aired for the first time 12 years ago.
They tried to change the formula a bit last season by introducing two new sympathetic female characters around the same age, who fell in love with the same guy, and not having the viewers know, who is going to marry the "prince". But in general, this aspect of the show has always been the most predictable.
In my opinion (but I'm more a fan of the daily soaps anyway and watch Sturm der Liebe very unregularly), the much better part of this show are the supporting characters and the villains, all of whom normally stay for a longer time (some are around since episode one). Calling them supporting characters is probably the wrong expression, they are part of the main cast and have their storylines as well (and big and important storylines), it's just that they aren't as center stage as the main couple.
And Paul seems to be destined to become the next "prince" to one of the two female characters (who just like last season are also both new, though this time one of them seems to be a bitch). I might be wrong, they also have another couple center stage this time involving Paul's sister, but I doubt they'll write him with a man.
Boris however is part of what I called "supporting cast". And I think the chances are high that he will stay longer and have a relationship with a man sooner or later.
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Post by missclumsy on Dec 6, 2017 17:07:06 GMT -5
I got curious about the trailer and watched todays Paul scenes. After shooting several screenshots and staring at them and comparing them with the trailer for an hour I'm pretty sure that there's Paul with Boris. But even if I were right, we still wouldn't know if there really happens something between them or if it's just a dream sequence or something.
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Post by angel on Dec 7, 2017 13:02:24 GMT -5
Boris last name is Saalfeld, so he is a member of the one and only mainfamily of the show. That means he stays usually longer than one season on the show. Its usually the exitstory that he finds his ultimate Love, but before maybe he gets relationsships.
Sturm der Liebe, Storm of Love, has since last season a lot of new writers, because the former headwriter, Peter Süß, after 11 years, since Season 1, was bought (headhunted) from UFA and is now headwriter for AWZ (Alles was zählt). The new headwriter is Björn Filnrohr. Sturm der Liebe is running on TV in over 12 countrys, among others in Italy and Canada. I read from interviews he wants a little more openness and surprise in the storys, not so much fixed points like a real telenovella: That the dreamcouple is not fixed anymore, from day 1. At the end of the season one couple gets married, but its not safe anymore which persons this are. In the last seasons it was sometimes that the fans want an other ending, but it was fixed from the writing, and from the season title theme, that spoils the dreamcouple, so since this season its totally open. About the modern fairytale thing: Sturm der Liebe uses a lot of dream scenes, and they are sometimes realy corny, very romantic, a little bit too much, a little bit over it, a little bit unreal, just like a fairytale: The hero prince charming and his princess cinderella, but it gives also neightmare scenes. The dreamcouple has allways their own thememusic, and some scenes for them were in slowmotion, to unterline their status. So Paul the sportsman is in a dreamcouple, this season is his first and also his last season, because he had with Rommy a magic moment, with slowmotion and thememusic, the story in short: Rommy wants Paul, but he has only eyes for Jessica.
OK sorry I must correct myself, the official dream couple of this season is: Alicia between the mens: Christopher Saalfeld, Boris father and Viktor the horse whisperer. So everything is open, again.
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Post by AndreB on Dec 7, 2017 14:41:48 GMT -5
Boris last name is Saalfeld, so he is a member of the one and only mainfamily of the show. That means he stays usually longer than one season on the show. Its usually the exitstory that he finds his ultimate Love, but before maybe he gets relationsships. Sturm der Liebe, Storm of Love, has since last season a lot of new writers, because the former headwriter, Peter Süß, after 11 years, since Season 1, was bought (headhunted) from UFA and is now headwriter for AWZ (Alles was zählt). The new headwriter is Björn Filnrohr. Sturm der Liebe is running on TV in over 12 countrys, among others in Italy and Canada. I read from interviews he wants a little more openness and surprise in the storys, not so much fixed points like a real telenovella: That the dreamcouple is not fixed anymore, from day 1. At the end of the season one couple gets married, but its not safe anymore which persons this are. In the last seasons it was sometimes that the fans want an other ending, but it was fixed from the writing, and from the season title theme, that spoils the dreamcouple, so since this season its totally open. About the modern fairytale thing: Sturm der Liebe uses a lot of dream scenes, and they are sometimes realy corny, very romantic, a little bit too much, a little bit over it, a little bit unreal, just like a fairytale: The hero prince charming and his princess cinderella, but it gives also neightmare scenes. The dreamcouple has allways their own thememusic, and some scenes for them were in slowmotion, to unterline their status. So Paul the sportsman is in a dreamcouple, this season is his first and also his last season, because he had with Rommy a magic moment, with slowmotion and thememusic, the story in short: Rommy wants Paul, but he has only eyes for Jessica. OK sorry I must correct myself, the official dream couple of this season is: Alicia between the mens: Christopher Saalfeld, Boris father and Viktor the horse whisperer. So everything is open, again. Yeah, I do agree. Paul and Rommy actually arrived at the same time and the story has been kind of obvious until now. Paul´s sister is the main heroine this season, so probably she will take her entourage with her after her happy ending Boris seems to get a lot of screentime. Hopefully writers will later come up with something more original than the same old hiding-in-the-closet stuff. Maybe at some point he will also get a full-scale romance, even if it will not happen during this season.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Dec 7, 2017 15:14:46 GMT -5
Does any one know does Viktor know that Boris is gay did I read wrong Viktor is Boris's brother
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Post by angel on Dec 7, 2017 15:37:07 GMT -5
Does any one know does Viktor know that Boris is gay did I read wrong Viktor is Boris's brother Yes Viktor is Boris brother. Till now, Tina is the only one, that knows that Boris is gay, I think. But his father suspects that he is maybe gay, he know that his son, was in a gayclub in Munich and he is not excited about it. His father should be a bit homophobic from the roleprofile. Tina likes Boris, as friend, und play now his girlfriend for his family. His father is with his sons choice not realy lucky, but also lucky that he had a girlfriend and maybe no boyfriend and that the rumor Boris likes man is not true. But also Christoph(Boris father)thinks Tina is not good enough for his son, also because of Tinas job and past, she is a single mother, but Boris likes kids and her little son Tom.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Dec 12, 2017 19:40:54 GMT -5
(The Pact) E2843 Jan. 10, 2018 Spoiler pic: Alicia (Larissa Marolt) is not thrilled that Paul neglected (Sandro Kirtzel) training in the restaurant for his swimming training Copyright: ARD
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Post by justinate on Dec 14, 2017 10:57:22 GMT -5
Okay, I hope this is going to lead somewhere and not wind up being another Ringo/Valentin retread (gay guy lusts after hopelessly straight dude). I really need something solid to root for. Since the highs of Christian/Olli, Deniz/Roman and Joscha/Kai, Germany's progressive track record of gay men on soaps has gone swiftly downhill. Both guys here are very attractive although Boris has the edge for me - adorable AND fit.
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Post by nlklinh on Dec 16, 2017 12:25:59 GMT -5
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Post by buja on Jan 4, 2018 12:02:54 GMT -5
Olli and Christian like Ringo and Easy are on early evening shows. They are aimed at a general audience who might watch TV after work or school. This one with Boris and Paul is basically daytime TV. They very clearly exist first and foremost as eyecandy for housewives and older women who watch this soap rather than to tell any interesting stories with gay men.
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Post by angel on Jan 5, 2018 5:34:49 GMT -5
First about the schoolsystem in germany is a lot more heterogeneous, than maybe in other countries. But mostly the kids have school from 7-8 am to 0-1 pm, depends from the school, even in the same city, to make the traffic, the rush hour a little bit more relaxing, when the start and end in every school is not at the same time. About that it gives afternoon school 1-3 times a week, the older the kids or better teens are, they have more afternoonschool, between 1-2 pm to 4-6 pm. To that comes mostly every day in germany homework, about 1-2 hours, exercises and repeats to strenghten, cement, the knowledge that was learned in the morning. Also it gives wholeday schools, for younger kids and hypermoms(the the kid is not allowed to go one step alone), that the homework is done in the school and the school ofers free time activities, lunch and care for the kids, from 6-7 am till 4-6 pm. So short most teenagers are in germany nearly half the week at 2 pm at home. But must 1-2 hours make homework, every day. And homework goes a lot of easier if the TV or radio is on and most kids have their own TV, or tablet in their room. But mobile and tablet distract a lot more than TV or radio.
Before Sturm der Liebe (Storm of Love), it comes Rote Rosen (Red Roses), this is also a Telenovelasoap have a target group from over 60 years old people, but in reality the main audience is a bit younger mostly under 60, like the main couple its mostly between 40-55, and they have also allways teenager roles, because they knew that teenager looks also the show, but the focus is more about the parents and their lifes. Red Roses aires at 2.10 pm and Storm of Love at 3.10 pm, but it aires both at the first channel in germany, like Christian and Oliver, which means also, a lot of breaks from the rule, because of sport events, now a lot of winter sports. Storm of love is the main couple mostly between 20-35, so the main target group is younger, between 40-55 years old, but both shows are very liked by seniors. In the past, both shows had effects for the real lifes, because especially seniors say no to club meetings, church choir or other activities, because the shows, were more importend, so a lot of clubs and other institute must adjust their plans to the airing of the shows.
By the way, the actor of Oliver from Chrolli, Jo Weil, plays current in Red Roses an ex soccer player called Bodo.
I dont think Boris and Paul are only there for eyecandy stuff, its mostly nearly every men there since the start of the show. I think in general Red Roses and Storm of Love are a lot more obviously about eyecandys, you have their a lot of more shirtless men scenes, than in other shows, but mostly a lot more different types, not all the same bodytyp, not so much the same waxed muscle chest. So yeah, the main focus target groups on both shows are mostly women, women and again women, at every age, and not men, and not gays or lesbians, sorry to say that.
Boris is not the first gay on Storm of Love, in season 9 a bigger side story was country singer Chris Brenner with bisexuell Daniel Buder, who fighted also for the dreamwoman, but had a past with Chris. Chris was not outed and goes with the time to psycho mode, the role was a gay ex lover goes psycho and bad boy. Here for example what I found in short time, sorry.
About the current main story in Storm of Love is not love, even the real main dream couple is nearly non existend. The current main story is a murder mysterie: Who killed Mrs. Stahl. Mrs. Stahl was not a good women, it gives a lot of possible offenders, even the audience had a lot of choice when it was a murder in the affect: Christoph (Boris father) he could kill her about economics gain, shares of the Fürstenhof Hotel, and he is not a good men too in general. Tina, Mrs. Stahl had also a son, he dies infant death, but Mrs Stahl changed the babys, and says Tom, Tinas son is dead and makes Tom her son, Tina dont believed it, but Mrs. Stahl let Tina not near the child, in the end the fraut come out. Boris, Mrs. Stahl hears accidental a call between Boris and his Ex-Boyfriend and Mrs. Stahl wanted to blackmail him. And a lot more suspicious. Current Boris aunt Charlotte Saalfeld is in jail as main suspicious, but the audience saw a few times a hand with gloves that hides new proofs that Charlotte is the offender. So who is the murder is nearly the focus also for the near future. The timing in the shows Red Roses and Storm of Love are not so fast, like Chrolli, Verbotene Liebe, or Unter Uns. UU, AWZ and VL have a airtime from 22-24 min, SDL and RR have a airtime between 48-49 min. So double so much time, to tell storys. It goes nearly everything a lot slower. But Boris sexuality is definitely treated this year, other ways they dont have to make him gay, and his father a homophob. But it gives rumors, that maybe season 15, current its season 14, it could be a gay main dreamcouple, but first they must preprare the audience slowy for it. And a little spoiler at the End: Boris mother, Christoph Ex Wife comes in February and joins the show.
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Post by angel on Jan 6, 2018 6:23:40 GMT -5
Boris, Mrs. Stahl hears accidental a call between Boris and his Ex-Boyfriend and Mrs. Stahl wanted to blackmail him. And a lot more suspicious. Boris took also a bag with several tenthousand Euros from the death Mrs. Stahl. He thought Tina killed her, because what she did to her and her son. Boris wants to protect Tina and make good, what Mrs. Stahl make bad. So he bought gifts for Tina, even a car, with the stolen money. After that he bury the bag with the remaining money in the forrest. But that let Boris not shine in a good light, and let him be a bit naive or stupid, that the moneybag is not found and that his decission plays out good, for him and Tina.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 6, 2018 7:44:42 GMT -5
where does Boris live now he moved out right it's on YT the full show
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 6, 2018 7:48:30 GMT -5
From Picture gallery for episode 2855 to air Tue, 30.01.18 Natascha dreams of sporty Paul.
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Post by justinate on Jan 6, 2018 9:59:07 GMT -5
They are really playing up Paul as eye candy, huh. I heartily approve! Dude looks even better the more skin he shows. Too bad this is a daytime soap or there might have been some chance of him going the full monty.
Do we actually have any spoilers to suggest Paul might be attracted to men (Boris) or is this going to be another one-sided gay crush on a straight man? I mean, at least in Unter Uns, it was Ringo who fantasized about half-naked, straight boy Valentin, but here it is still a woman fantasizing about Paul half-naked.
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Post by angel on Jan 7, 2018 9:44:20 GMT -5
where does Boris live now he moved out right it's on YT the full show About the living situation, its like in all shows, a bit a mistery. My last stand was that Boris live with Tina, but its a flatshare, in the past there lives allways 2-3 persons in the apartment, no matter if they are together, a couple, or not. But sorry I am a bit behind, I am watched wintersports instead of SDL. And Romy who is in love with Paul, lives there now too. Paul lives in the same house, but in an other apparment, under, over or next to Tinas apartment. Tina make excuses to Paul, about Tom (the baby) cryings in the night. Sturm der Liebe has their own official YT channel: Sturm der Liebe KanalBut its only in german and because of german laws, they are allowed only full episodes to show, of the last seven days. But interviews, spoilers, trailers and specials could stay for nearly forever. But it gives many other inofficial channel that shows, also full older episodes, but I think it not allowed here to post the links, but its easy to find, on YT.
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Post by angel on Jan 7, 2018 10:36:31 GMT -5
They are really playing up Paul as eye candy, huh. I heartily approve! Dude looks even better the more skin he shows. Too bad this is a daytime soap or there might have been some chance of him going the full monty. Do we actually have any spoilers to suggest Paul might be attracted to men (Boris) or is this going to be another one-sided gay crush on a straight man? I mean, at least in Unter Uns, it was Ringo who fantasized about half-naked, straight boy Valentin, but here it is still a woman fantasizing about Paul half-naked. Yes I didnt mean, that Paul is not used as eyecandy, what I meant, he is not used as eyecandy because he is maybe gay or bi, instead because he is a good looking man, like hundret men before. And "Much stronger than you" or his YT channel "All about strength" I think its the best proof. By the way my first reaction was, a little laughing breakdown, when I recognize from which the video was, because I think he is very known in the community for eyecandy movies and pictures in the last decades and I am a little fan boy since nearly over 20 years and the fmf.uk. Back to topic, so full monty for sure not, but I think asses are shown in the past. For example Nils, with only a newspaper on: We knew till now, nearly nothing about Paul, if he is gay, bi, or straight. Also no spoilers about it. Only 2 thinks what makes me amazed, a bit strange and curios. First Paul says he likes Romy as buddy and second Paul and Boris know each other from the past a bit. But also Boris had now, no interrests in a lovelife, from the call that we overhears with his ex, it is more like he is happy, that he is single now and wants to organize his life first and better. About the dreamyfunsexycrazy dreamscenes from Romy of Paul in speedos, that is exactly what makes Storm of Love a bit crazy, funny and fairytale like in a good way and I think this scenes belongs just to Storm of Love. Such scenes loosen up an episode in a good way, to bring a bit fun and skin in maybe a darker story around. So maybe the 2 men in the season trailer, maybe is also a dream, a nightmare from Christoph (Boris father), it could fit to the Sturm der Liebe past. About fantasizing or which is in love with whom now? Romy -> Paul Nils -> Tina Christoph -> Alicia Viktor -> Alicia Jessica -> Viktor Fabien -> Romy I hope I dont forget one.
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Post by angel on Jan 7, 2018 11:58:05 GMT -5
Ok now I am bit more up to date. Yes Boris and Tina broke up and Boris moved out and moved in to the appartment of his aunt Charlotte Saalfeld and uncle Werner Saalfeld in which also his father Christoph with his girlfriend Alicia lives.
And what I forget of the who is in love, or wants something with whom: Andre -> Melli Wanja -> Melli Susan -> Werner.
Most loves are till now onesided but maybe in the future not more.
Wanja is also a bit strange role. He is a whomanizer, rogue and trickster, but he says he is a straight russian gay activst, and wants political asylum in germany.
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Post by angel on Jan 7, 2018 15:51:21 GMT -5
Ok now I am up to date with SDL.
It looks Paul is straight so far, he has now a crush on Jessica. The love goes onesided: Paul -> Jessica -> Viktor
But I could wild speculate maybe Wanja is not really straight, he only wants a women to marry to stay legal in germany, maybe he married instand a man in the end. Because straight gay activist, I think it is a bit strange, or is it a manner to hook up women. Anyway a weird role, on many boards they think, why this role even existed, whats the reason for him?
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Post by missclumsy on Jan 19, 2018 16:56:50 GMT -5
Seems like Boris' gay storyline is going to start in March. 2871 (28.02.) Boris has fallen in love. But because he's very afraid that Christoph could find out about his homosexuality, he banishes the thought of the man immediately. But when he tries to let steam off after an arranged "make up meal" with Xenia, he meets his crush of all people - and throws all thoughts overboard.
2872 (01.03.) Boris entrusts Tina with his heartsickness and tries to get his crush out of his head but this seeks closeness to him shortly thereafter.
2873 (02.03.) Boris tries to put his appearently hopeless infatuation behind himself, but then he finds fresh hope because an evening together ends completely different than expected.
There's no hint of who his crush is or if we know him yet. Paul has his own spoilers, mainly about various women, and totally different from Boris' spoilers. The only connection is a billard competition organized by Boris. We don't know if Paul participates himself but he persuades Romy who has a crush on him to take part and helps her to practice.
I find it a bit strange that they don't use a name for Boris' crush in the spoilers. Maybe the wish is father to the thought but I hope this is because they don't want to spoil that it's Paul. I don't watch 'Sturm der Liebe', so I don't know if there have been any scenes between Boris and Paul so far and if yes, how they interacted. Perhaps anybody can tell.
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