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Skam
May 8, 2017 2:51:24 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on May 8, 2017 2:51:24 GMT -5
I think it is clear now that there isn't a lack of interest in Yousef's part for Sana. It is more a question of if Sana is able to square having a relationship with Yousef with her view on her religion. I actually like that since it put more focus on her and her development instead of the side development of Noora and Even.
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Post by justinate on May 8, 2017 20:15:38 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't like this recent development at all. It's just SO clichéd and stupid that the Muslim guys are homophobic. I am indredibly disappointed and frustrated with this. Also.. it's kinda hard to believe that Mikael can be homophobic when he literally looks like a puppy. It makes no sense whatsoever. It makes perfect sense to me. Not every homophobe is a gun-toting, mustache-twirling villain. The vast majority are not. Mikael is quite pretty in his looks so might well feel the need to compensate by being overtly homophobic. I don't know how liberal Norwegian Muslims are but British Muslims who were surveyed overwhelmingly opposed homosexuals (this in a country where they have been given free rein). And it is a well-established fact that Islamic countries are the worst places to be gay. So it's far from 'stupid' to portray the reality. It might not be nice to think about a religious sect wanting us dead or criminalized, but ignoring it helps no one. What will be cliched is for the balloon gang to quickly come round in favour of homosexuals.
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Skam
May 9, 2017 0:19:03 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on May 9, 2017 0:19:03 GMT -5
At the very least, they showed that views of Muslims are not uniform, as both Sana and Yousef are supportive.The other boys, they seems more entertained by Even's episode than anger. Of course, this could be because Mikael never shared the fact that Even kissed him with anyone outside of Yousef. Guess we will find out eventually
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Post by Hawthorne on May 9, 2017 1:36:40 GMT -5
What if there is another side to the story besides Mikael's version that Even tried to kiss him. Maybe what happened was a lot more mutual than Mikael said.
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Skam
May 9, 2017 12:53:57 GMT -5
Post by grallonsphere on May 9, 2017 12:53:57 GMT -5
I've been annoyed, and I've heard other people complaining about the same thing, by how this season seems so out of focus. It's supposed to be Sana's POV yet we always seem to get that point of view interrupted by intrusions from Evak or Magnus & Vilde or Noora & Wiliam...
I mean the story that Even tried to kill himself after being turned down by Mikail?!? Really? How far fetched is that?! Never in S3, not once, did we get any hint that Even had a problem with being attracted to guys. He was forward and sweetly persistent when courting Isak; he appeared strong and confident in his sexual identity - regardless of his bipolar condition - exactly the type of guy Isak needed to come out of the closet. And now we're expected to believe that less than a year before he met Isak he was a closeted homophobe, raging online against f*gs?!? I don't buy this at all.
Furthermore the idea that religion was ever a big thing for Even is ridiculous. Once again we've never been given any indication in S3 that he was anything other than a chill bisexual who booze and smoke weed when he's not kissing his boyfriend. Did we ever hear him mention anything related to religion? They'll no doubt play the bipolar angle to underpin the whole Mikail/Even situation.
Finally while all this backstory was happening Even was still with Sonja... And when she confronted Isak at the end of episode 8 she never made any allusions to a suicide attempt and somehow I do think she would have been aware if this happened to her boyfriend.
No these recent developments stink of retcon. What I think is happening here is that they didn't anticipate the enormous worldwide popularity SKAM would generate and they're stuck with having to fill the backstory of a side character in order to please the squealers from TumblR. Yeah, the fan servicing is what really annoys me this season. No wonder Julie has decided to stop the show. And that's not even mentioning all the creepy fans flying to Norway to go harass Tarjei in his school or Henrik at his job.
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Post by Zathras on May 9, 2017 22:41:36 GMT -5
Maybe. I'll admit that I didn't watch before season 3, but I guess it doesn't seem like a huge retcon to me at this point. Maybe I'll change my mind later.
I like Hawthorne's suggestion that there may be more to what happened between Even and Mikael than anyone else knows. Maybe we'll find out at some point.
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Post by Hawthorne on May 9, 2017 23:54:57 GMT -5
I think everything fits together fairly well. It wasn't that Even had a problem with his attraction to guys, it's that he became manic while reading all the anti-gay comments in the Koran. We don't know all the details yet, but apparently Mikael told Even he had to memorize the Koran if they were going to stay friends. Perhaps Mikael intended it as a sort of gay conversion therapy. I don't think Even was really interested in the Koran, but he may have been very interested in trying to stay friends with Mikael. Still a lot more to learn about the Even-Mikael relationship...
It may be true that Sonja didn't mention Even tried to kill himself, but he was apparently thinking of suicide when Isak ran to him from the church. It's not a stretch to suggest he actually tried it earlier - especially since we know something big happened that caused Even to miss a year of school and change schools. Also, Sonja monitoring Even all the time - as Even complained about in one episode - is consistent with Even having tried to kill himself in the past. So I think things fit together.
Even tried to kiss Isak when he was still with Sonja, so why can't he have been with Sonja when he tried to kiss Mikael? I don't think the earlier seasons were as tightly focused on the main character as season three was.
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Post by overtherainbow on May 10, 2017 2:17:43 GMT -5
I've been annoyed, and I've heard other people complaining about the same thing, by how this season seems so out of focus. It's supposed to be Sana's POV yet we always seem to get that point of view interrupted by intrusions from Evak or Magnus & Vilde or Noora & Wiliam... I mean the story that Even tried to kill himself after being turned down by Mikail?!? Really? How far fetched is that?! Never in S3, not once, did we get any hint that Even had a problem with being attracted to guys. He was forward and sweetly persistent when courting Isak; he appeared strong and confident in his sexual identity - regardless of his bipolar condition - exactly the type of guy Isak needed to come out of the closet. And now we're expected to believe that less than a year before he met Isak he was a closeted homophobe, raging online against f*gs?!? I don't buy this at all. Furthermore the idea that religion was ever a big thing for Even is ridiculous. Once again we've never been given any indication in S3 that he was anything other than a chill bisexual who booze and smoke weed when he's not kissing his boyfriend. Did we ever hear him mention anything related to religion? They'll no doubt play the bipolar angle to underpin the whole Mikail/Even situation. Finally while all this backstory was happening Even was still with Sonja... And when she confronted Isak at the end of episode 8 she never made any allusions to a suicide attempt and somehow I do think she would have been aware if this happened to her boyfriend. No these recent developments stink of retcon. What I think is happening here is that they didn't anticipate the enormous worldwide popularity SKAM would generate and they're stuck with having to fill the backstory of a side character in order to please the squealers from TumblR. Yeah, the fan servicing is what really annoys me this season. No wonder Julie has decided to stop the show. And that's not even mentioning all the creepy fans flying to Norway to go harass Tarjei in his school or Henrik at his job. I completely disagree with everything you just said. I think the reason for the "intrusions" this season is that it's the last season. Julie has to wrap up all the storylines. That is why it might seem a bit out of focus this season. For example Vilde and the bus storyline or Evak's backstory. I also disagree with you that "no wonder Julie decided to stop the show." You don't know that "Tarjei and Henrik getting harassed" is why she decided this was the last season. I think she had many reasons to quit. Maybe she was tired (it takes A LOT of effort to make Skam work, Julie is both the director and writer). Maybe she wanted to move on to new things. Maybe she wanted to quit while the show was still good, instead of 2 years from now when the show would probably be down the drain. But back to my main point.. every other character got their backstory, even the love interest, Jonas in Eva's season and William in Noora's season. I think Julie always planned to address Even's backstory. She didn't do it during Isak's season so she does it now instead. I don't think this is a retcon at all. I do however think this being the last season screwed up the timeline a little bit. She needs to fit all of Even's backstory into Sana's season. Honestly, and this is just my personal opinion: I cannot stand Sana. She is too self righteous and bossy and rude for my taste. The fact that her season also features other storylines (Evak, Vilde/Magnus/russ bus etc) makes it more watchable imo.
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Skam
May 10, 2017 6:45:05 GMT -5
Post by grallonsphere on May 10, 2017 6:45:05 GMT -5
Maybe. I'll admit that I didn't watch before season 3, but I guess it doesn't seem like a huge retcon to me at this point. Maybe I'll change my mind later. I like Hawthorne's suggestion that there may be more to what happened between Even and Mikael than anyone else knows. Maybe we'll find out at some point. Yes, it could be Youssef relayed only his interpretation of what Mikail told him - and the lad might have omitted portions of what truly happened with Even. However a person with bipolar doesn't become someone entirely different when he/she has an episode. In any case, I suppose we take way from this what we want. I myself do not like the character of Even nor do I ship 'Evak' so it may be I'm biased. In my opinion it's inevitable that Even, as he said himself, will end up hurting Isak and they'll split. Simply put Isak deserve much better than someone who's constantly doubting himself and who's constantly trying to hide stuff from his lover.
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Post by kevvoi on May 12, 2017 14:53:18 GMT -5
Interview courtesy of Feudly:
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Post by grallonsphere on May 12, 2017 17:01:25 GMT -5
Tarjei is so fu*ing dreamy... And observe how he can't get away fast enough from that interview lol - or perhaps its the interviewer...
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Post by lexmoon on May 12, 2017 22:05:55 GMT -5
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Post by lexmoon on May 12, 2017 22:07:57 GMT -5
Skam Evak won for people choice
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Post by alohaTHOR on May 12, 2017 22:32:10 GMT -5
I don't know if it's because of the language barrier that I don't pick up the nuances or intonations but that interviewer came off a bit creepy. But he is right, Henrik looks good and so does Tarjei.
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Post by Hawthorne on May 13, 2017 0:28:41 GMT -5
I don't think Tarjei is impressed by all the media buzz season 3 created. He just wants to act. Very grounded guy.
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Post by mizuryuu on May 13, 2017 0:30:09 GMT -5
It seems like there will be a week or so of break before Skam continues
First, Even/Isak singing karaoke!!!!!! It is always nice seeing more of the Boy Squad
Second, looks like the fight finally happened. Now, I liked how it was depicted. As the audience, we know the fight had happened, but not why. We have some girls speculating on the reason, but no actual explanation. Similar to all the gossip that was running around last season, the reason for this fight will probably end up being entirely unrelated to Even/Isak being gay and the Balloon Squad being Muslim. It does show how quick people are willing to jump to conclusions based on stereotypes. I expect that this rumor, along with the stereotypes about Sana, would be one of the main thing that she will be resolving this season.
Third, we now know that Sana was not paranoid about Sara. By the time we return from the break, it will probably be after Sara has cut Sana from the bus. It would be interesting to see if the Girl Squad stick together in leaving the bus or if the new split between Sana/Noora will cause drama. Considering the Russ Bus thing is for 2018 (after the end of Skam), I hope they just use Sana being cut from the bus as a way to jump start her story and don't make getting the bus back the main storyline. Having the bus back doesn't really develop her personal story and I prefer they keep the focus on her personal development.
Also, in case people want the video of that Kiss Cam photo
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Post by westwolf on May 13, 2017 5:23:34 GMT -5
Damn, Sana just got hit with everything at once. Those last 5 minutes were like watching a train wreck, just one thing after another.
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Post by mizuryuu on May 13, 2017 14:16:10 GMT -5
I think they always hit the main character with a lot of bad news right before the break as it explain why they are off social media and why they hid themselves from the world. Similar to how Isak hid away after seeing Even kiss Sonja last season
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Skam
May 14, 2017 0:52:23 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on May 14, 2017 0:52:23 GMT -5
Beloved Isak has been bloodied up by a gang of Muslim youth. That's not going to go down well in SKAM fandom, I imagine. It seems that it was a gay bashing, but maybe a different motive will emerge. Probably not, though. I think the show wants to pull Sana between her religion and the Western values she's been embracing. The symbolism of Isak's blood on her hands was obvious. She has guilt by association as a Muslim. She washes the blood from her hands literally. Maybe she will do so figuratively in the second half of the season.
Yousef's behavior is inexplicable. He seemed like such a nice guy who had a genuine, deep interest in Sana. I think what's going on here is another indictment of Muslim culture by the show. Specifically, the incredible double standards that exist for men and women. As much as Yousef likes Sana, he probably didn't think anything of treating her like dirt. As a man, he's free to do as he wishes. One of the Muslim guys calling Vilde a slave underscores where the show is going with this, I think. Sana believes in gay and women equality. Can she still be a Muslim? I think she can. I think we'll see her reclaiming Islam from the women and gay haters.
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Skam
May 14, 2017 19:49:07 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on May 14, 2017 19:49:07 GMT -5
Damn, that sucks. So, of course we didn't get to see the circumstances that led up to the attack. It makes sense considering how Skam works, but it's still frustrating. Obviously Isak got hit pretty bad, and it didn't look like anyone else was injured. I liked seeing their friends standing up for them. I really would have liked to hear Sana ask someone what happened. I'm a bit surprised she didn't. I'm hesitant to assume a motive for the attack. I suppose a gay bashing isn't out of the question, but I have a feeling that there's more to it than that. I wonder if we'll ever learn what really happened, or will we be left to guess? Was there a reason that Isak was the one who got injured? But before that it was nice to see Even and Isak singing together. Yet I'm very curious about why Even seemed to stop and hesitate when he saw Yousef and his friends come in.
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Skam
May 15, 2017 3:08:42 GMT -5
Post by grallonsphere on May 15, 2017 3:08:42 GMT -5
Damn, that sucks. So, of course we didn't get to see the circumstances that led up to the attack. It makes sense considering how Skam works, but it's still frustrating. Obviously Isak got hit pretty bad, and it didn't look like anyone else was injured. I liked seeing their friends standing up for them. I really would have liked to hear Sana ask someone what happened. I'm a bit surprised she didn't. I'm hesitant to assume a motive for the attack. I suppose a gay bashing isn't out of the question, but I have a feeling that there's more to it than that. I wonder if we'll ever learn what really happened, or will we be left to guess? Was there a reason that Isak was the one who got injured? But before that it was nice to see Even and Isak singing together. Yet I'm very curious about why Even seemed to stop and hesitate when he saw Yousef and his friends come in. Even hesitated because their arrival spelled trouble. There's bad blood there - nobody knows the exact nature of it. As for the attack, it was suggested Isak might have started it by trying to get answers from Mikail and the whole thing degenerated with each squads siding to protect their respecting member... Elias appears to be the de facto leader of the balloon squad hence why he would be at the forefront. I don't believe it's gay bashing, though the show certainly tries to paint it in that light by drawing a parallel between Islam & homophobia. The bit between Elias and Eskild was also used, I believe, to misdirect us into thinking Elias has issues with gays... But if you remember his conversation with Sana, when he speaks of the difference between true believers and those who pretend to be, he knows what's what. And he's best friend with Youssef who's not homophobic either.
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Skam
May 15, 2017 3:15:15 GMT -5
Post by grallonsphere on May 15, 2017 3:15:15 GMT -5
Skam Evak won for people choice I've watched those interview clips several times and I can't shake the feeling these two are an actual couple... I know it's been stated Henrik has a girlfriend and Tarjei has been spotted around Oslo with some girl in tow but the ease with which they're aroudn each other, the intimacy even... at some point while Tarjei was responding to a question Henrik was rubbing his back... and the looks they exchange that speak volumes... And that kiss of course... not a chaste little peck on the lips - no that was a full blown french kiss... Maybe I'm just projecting things here. Or maybe, since Tarjei is still technically a minor, they're going at it low key. But he'll be turning 18 on the 23rd of this month...
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Post by overtherainbow on May 15, 2017 5:56:26 GMT -5
Skam Evak won for people choice I've watched those interview clips several times and I can't shake the feeling these two are an actual couple... I know it's been stated Henrik has a girlfriend and Tarjei has been spotted around Oslo with some girl in tow but the ease with which they're aroudn each other, the intimacy even... at some point while Tarjei was responding to a question Henrik was rubbing his back... and the looks they exchange that speak volumes... And that kiss of course... not a chaste little peck on the lips - no that was a full blown french kiss... Maybe I'm just projecting things here. Or maybe, since Tarjei is still technically a minor, they're going at it low key. But he'll be turning 18 on the 23rd of this month... I don't want to contribute to speculation. This isn't a gossip website. If they say they're straight then I believe them. PS: Age of consent in Norway is 16.
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Skam
May 15, 2017 8:45:15 GMT -5
Post by grallonsphere on May 15, 2017 8:45:15 GMT -5
What's the harm in some idle gossip? But if it's against some in-house rule then of course I'll relent. *shrug*
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Skam
May 15, 2017 8:50:14 GMT -5
Post by davidlondon57 on May 15, 2017 8:50:14 GMT -5
Yeah be careful. An atheist guy was thrown off the entire gaydaytime site two weeks ago for breaking the rules about mocking religion - he said (and I paraphrase) "Remember Sana is a fictional character like the god of islam or christianity is a fictional character" in the context of muslim homophobia.
Seems pretty uncontroversial to me, but hey I am european, and I know how pissy you yanks are about your supernatural beliefs.
But then I was suspended as well, for also mocking religion. Que sera, sera.
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