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Apr 11, 2017 10:51:45 GMT -5
Post by lexmoon on Apr 11, 2017 10:51:45 GMT -5
SKAM - S4 EPISODE 1
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Skam
Apr 12, 2017 0:59:10 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Apr 12, 2017 0:59:10 GMT -5
It looks like Isak is moving out. This is roughly 4 months since the end of the last season, is it too fast for Isak to move in with Even already? If they aren't moving in together, it is just weird for Isak to move out of the house.
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Apr 12, 2017 1:42:27 GMT -5
Post by LadyArmand on Apr 12, 2017 1:42:27 GMT -5
If Isak is moving out maybe he's going home. He was at the end of last season making inroads with his parents.
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Skam
Apr 12, 2017 10:20:16 GMT -5
Post by justinate on Apr 12, 2017 10:20:16 GMT -5
I think that because this is the final season there is no better way to end things. It is not often in media that we get to see the Muslim (especially female) perspective. And given the times we are living in, and particularly here in the United States I think the timing is perfect. I am always wary of how complex, sensitive issues like this will be presented, particularly during a fraught period. Too often shows choose to veer to one extreme instead of presenting a neutral perspective that isn't biased in either direction. Take last season, there were viewers who were upset at the portrayal of a LGBT teen in conjunction with mental illness - a taboo that is rarely depicted because an association between the two is undesirable. The show countered this by concluding with what some might say was an overly rosy picture of the reality of living with mental illness, both for the sufferer and his partner. Then again, it was a bold move by the show's creator to give Even a mental illness - just like it was daring to have this season's trailer begin with dripping blood and revolve around violence. Maybe she will surprise us with how this season unfolds. I wonder if Evak will have a larger role beyond super cute cameos. This here is the primary reason I was disappointed when it was revealed that Sana would be this season's principal protagonist. We aren't privy to what happens when the principal isn't present (which of course has been one of the contentious points last season, when we couldn't tell what Even was really up to). Sana's main group of friends is comprised of the girls - not Isak or Even. So I'm inclined to think that, by making Sana the principal, the boys' airtime will be sacrificed. And that I feel is a shame. The girls have had a lot of airtime in the first two seasons; surely it's only fair the boys get their turn, too? If they wanted a non-white Muslim protagonist, why not make it Isak's friend Mahdi? Anyway, I'm aware that ship has sailed so we have to make do with what we get in these final few episodes. The season opener was strong and I enjoyed the glimpse we got of Evak. The boys have such a natural chemistry and I love how accepted their romance is within their circle of friends. Sadly, I expect that will be all we see of them until the next party or event that brings the cast together. Sana has her own group of friends and it looks like her brother and his friends will also be a part of this season. I wonder if this season will break the trend by bringing her parents into the picture - since the past 3 seasons were notorious for their lack of parental figures.
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Apr 12, 2017 11:43:49 GMT -5
Post by davidlondon57 on Apr 12, 2017 11:43:49 GMT -5
So far I have to confess the new SKAM series has bored the pants off me. The first extract was good, with Evak and the boys, but since then it's been girls, girls, girls and now it's even more annoying with Sana's tedious brother and his pals. Looks like it's going to be the story of straight religious girl battling religious odds to find a boyfriend and overcoming religious odds to do so. Did I mention religion? Oh yes so I did.
I wonder if the writer will have the courage to deal with the homophobia of Sana's family and that annoying bother and his macho pals?
However, I could be wrong and this could turn out interesting and worthwhile. But I am just not at all interested in stories involving problems caused because of someone's belief in the supernatural: whether they're muslim or xian or buddhist.
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Apr 12, 2017 18:36:01 GMT -5
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Post by lovethetree on Apr 12, 2017 18:36:01 GMT -5
The show was made because of the lack of norwegian TVseries for teens and more spesific teen girls. The plan was never to make a show about boys because boys have enough representation as it is, strong teen girls on the other hand...
Sana is maybe the most important main they could have chosen at this time. With all the islamophobia going around.
Even and Isak will probably be a big part of the season because if you remember the video isak found when he stalked Even, mikael which is a part of sanas brothers gang was the one recording the video. In the video he describes Even as his bestfriend so the history behind Evens transfer to Hartvig Nissen from Bakka will probably be a little story inside Sanas VERY important story.(This is only speculation)
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Post by Hawthorne on Apr 12, 2017 20:49:38 GMT -5
Didn't Even memorize the Koran during one of his manic episodes? Maybe that will come in handy this season. I wonder if Mikael is still Even's friend now that he has a boyfriend.
I'm also wary of how SKAM is going to present the complex issue of the Muslim community in Europe. I hope they don't shy away from confronting how much homophobia there is among Muslims. Recently in the Netherlands there was a high profile homophobic attack on a gay couple that outraged the country, but all of the media reporting on it avoided mentioning that the young attackers were Muslims. Everyone was too PC to mention that it was Muslims. That's a problem because really Muslims commit a very high percentage of the violence against gays in northern Europe. You can't start to solve that problem if you don't even admit it exists. So I hope SKAM doesn't whitewash that aspect.
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Post by mizuryuu on Apr 13, 2017 0:09:08 GMT -5
While I know most of us got into the show due to Isak, I wouldn't be surprised if all we get are small cameo here and there. This season is about Sana, and whatever her story may be. I would actually be disappointed if they try to shoehorn in a homophobia plot since it would feel forced just to cater to Evak fans. By all means, do so if that is the main storyline for Sana, but I feel her character can handle much beefier storylines than the homophobia targeted toward her friends.
I am actually hoping that that this season will be a fairly normal storyline of Sana dealing with the expectation of others around her and how it affect her life. Like the expectation on her for being a (younger?) sister, being what seems like the only daughter of the family, being a girl in a Muslim family and being Muslim in a group of friends that isn't.
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 13, 2017 6:24:35 GMT -5
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Apr 14, 2017 20:01:03 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Apr 14, 2017 20:01:03 GMT -5
Yeah, nice post. While I know most of us got into the show due to Isak, I wouldn't be surprised if all we get are small cameo here and there. This season is about Sana, and whatever her story may be. I would actually be disappointed if they try to shoehorn in a homophobia plot since it would feel forced just to cater to Evak fans. By all means, do so if that is the main storyline for Sana, but I feel her character can handle much beefier storylines than the homophobia targeted toward her friends. Yeah, it would be unusual for the show to spend much time on Isak & Even this season. The format of the show is good in some ways - it's an innovative (to me) approach to storytelling - but the big downside is that the other characters don't really do much for an entire season. With this show, I would probably have preferred a more typical style that had more than one story going in parallel so everyone had something to do, even if it meant the whole thing took longer to tell. Oh, well. It's still been good.
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Apr 16, 2017 2:06:07 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Apr 16, 2017 2:06:07 GMT -5
Maybe Sana will start turning to Isak for friendship and support since she doesn't seem to be getting what she needs from her circle of female friends. That would bring Evak into the story line. I think the show really can't ignore the reality that Isaak and Even are an international phenomenon. Well, they can, but they shouldn't, IMO.
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Apr 16, 2017 15:11:13 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Apr 16, 2017 15:11:13 GMT -5
Yeah, nice post. While I know most of us got into the show due to Isak, I wouldn't be surprised if all we get are small cameo here and there. This season is about Sana, and whatever her story may be. I would actually be disappointed if they try to shoehorn in a homophobia plot since it would feel forced just to cater to Evak fans. By all means, do so if that is the main storyline for Sana, but I feel her character can handle much beefier storylines than the homophobia targeted toward her friends. Yeah, it would be unusual for the show to spend much time on Isak & Even this season. The format of the show is good in some ways - it's an innovative (to me) approach to storytelling - but the big downside is that the other characters don't really do much for an entire season. With this show, I would probably have preferred a more typical style that had more than one story going in parallel so everyone had something to do, even if it meant the whole thing took longer to tell. Oh, well. It's still been good. The downside to the typical tv approach is that the show would have focused on one of the previous main character and the "main" character of the show. That would leave Isak on the sideline as a side character, where his story would probably only be mentioned in brief scenes and conversation about things that happened off-screen. The only things that would be shown would be things that affect whichever girl get chosen as the "main" character.
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Apr 17, 2017 10:35:02 GMT -5
Post by kellerbrady on Apr 17, 2017 10:35:02 GMT -5
New chat came up of Isak planning to study at Sana's place, so he will probally show up in a new clip this week.
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Apr 17, 2017 15:33:56 GMT -5
Post by davidlondon57 on Apr 17, 2017 15:33:56 GMT -5
Thank the godz, I am getting so bored of this religious nonsense as to whether the muslim girl can or can't pray cos of interruptions, or whether she can be alone with boys she fancies and her vile brother calling her a slave etc etc. And particularly what I hate even more is the expectation that we are supposed to feel sympathy for her, when it is all self inflicted and all she has to do is reject the supernatural nonsense and take off that headscarf! Sheeeez. Bring back the gay boys
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Apr 17, 2017 20:30:37 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Apr 17, 2017 20:30:37 GMT -5
I'm OK with this season being about Sana. I had no expectations that it was going to be about Isak and Even, although I do hope they will have a consequential role in it.
Losing the hijab may be where this is all going for Sana. That would be very controversial with a lot of Muslims, but it also might be controversial if she doesn't lose the hijab. It definitely works as a symbol of her repression/oppression and of her secondary status. Perhaps this season will be a slow build to a breaking point for Sana.
I'm encouraged that Sana is going to study with Isak. That's not random, of course, and might suggest that Isak is going to be important to this season's story.
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Apr 17, 2017 20:43:17 GMT -5
Post by kellerbrady on Apr 17, 2017 20:43:17 GMT -5
Thank the godz, I am getting so bored of this religious nonsense as to whether the muslim girl can or can't pray cos of interruptions, or whether she can be alone with boys she fancies and her vile brother calling her a slave etc etc. And particularly what I hate even more is the expectation that we are supposed to feel sympathy for her, when it is all self inflicted and all she has to do is reject the supernatural nonsense and take off that headscarf! Sheeeez. Bring back the gay boys The plot of the season have not even started yet. Last season, only after episode 3 that things started to happen. The first 2 episodes were all preparation.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 17, 2017 23:16:49 GMT -5
Thank the godz, I am getting so bored of this religious nonsense as to whether the muslim girl can or can't pray cos of interruptions, or whether she can be alone with boys she fancies and her vile brother calling her a slave etc etc. And particularly what I hate even more is the expectation that we are supposed to feel sympathy for her, when it is all self inflicted and all she has to do is reject the supernatural nonsense and take off that headscarf! Sheeeez. That's harsh. It's ok if you aren't religious, but please respect those that are. It's a very important part of some people's lives. For the sake of having constructive conversation here, let's not go there. I would guess that Hawthorne is on to something. Sana has proven that she's thoughtful and willing to rethink her own opinions. This season could very well be about her challenging her own life. Considering the format of this show, that's not going to happen. While I would love to see a lot more of Isak & Even, the show focuses on a single main character each season. Isak had his turn last season; now it's Sana's turn.
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Post by scmian on Apr 17, 2017 23:47:22 GMT -5
Isak and Even might not be the main characters but I think the will have a big part in future episodes.
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Apr 18, 2017 10:26:15 GMT -5
Post by boz-ruh on Apr 18, 2017 10:26:15 GMT -5
I'm from Turkey and I'm very curious about how they will handle this season. I like Sana's character, she is respectful and kind. Mostly media shows muslim women as judgemental and bigoted. Of course all muslims are not like Sana. For example my mom gave me the most awful moments of my life when I told her I'm gay. But don't worry now she acts like she never asked me ''are you gay?'' and I never said yes
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Apr 19, 2017 2:26:18 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Apr 19, 2017 2:26:18 GMT -5
I hope they don't end it with Sana completely forsaking her religion. It is clear that her religion is important to her (more so than to her brother) and it would be against her character to abandon it. Not to mention it would send just as bad of a message if they made a devout Christian forsake Christianity to fit in. I *can* see her finding a compromise of adherence to Islam and living life in a modern society.
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Apr 19, 2017 4:47:02 GMT -5
Post by davidlondon57 on Apr 19, 2017 4:47:02 GMT -5
"Not to mention it would send just as bad of a message if they made a devout Christian forsake Christianity to fit in."
Er why would that be bad? Surely Sana giving up her belief in the non-existent supernatural would be a good thing: 1) it would show muslims actually bothering to assimilate into a largely atheist culture (to which they've freely immigrated) 2) it would show her giving up the nonsense after a struggle, and thus provide a good model to other muslims and believers in the supernatural 3) it would at a stroke increase her IQ, and 4) remove all her problems to getting a boyfriend and having sex! And you never know she might actually have a drink!
And she might actually be attractive with that hideous helmet removed from her head.
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 19, 2017 9:15:41 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of Feudly:
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Post by LadyArmand on Apr 19, 2017 16:52:18 GMT -5
"Not to mention it would send just as bad of a message if they made a devout Christian forsake Christianity to fit in." Er why would that be bad? Surely Sana giving up her belief in the non-existent supernatural would be a good thing: 1) it would show muslims actually bothering to assimilate into a largely atheist culture (to which they've freely immigrated) 2) it would show her giving up the nonsense after a struggle, and thus provide a good model to other muslims and believers in the supernatural 3) it would at a stroke increase her IQ, and 4) remove all her problems to getting a boyfriend and having sex! And you never know she might actually have a drink! And she might actually be attractive with that hideous helmet removed from her head. You are entitled to your opinion. However, it is blatantly disrespectful of you to continually attack other people's belief systems because they don't reflect your own (especially after the moderator as asked you to curb some of the vemon you have spewed). I find your comments about Islam and religion in general to be bigoted and shows a level of ignorance and elitism that you claim religion enforces. thus atheism hasn't heightened your IQ all that much. Your assertion that she's unattractive because of her head dress, shows that you haven't actually looked at her. She is a beautiful woman. Her character has thus far demonstrated far more intelligence and acceptance for the beliefs of others that you have.
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 19, 2017 20:14:31 GMT -5
Here is a replacement clip for part 3 above that is no longer available. Clip courtesy of SKAM English:
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Apr 19, 2017 22:33:19 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Apr 19, 2017 22:33:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the clips!
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