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Nov 9, 2020 21:02:31 GMT -5
Post by scmian on Nov 9, 2020 21:02:31 GMT -5
During an interview for the second season Producer Hector was asked why Bruno was not in this season. Hector's response- It has already been said, it was said by him who made the decision to leave. He said he lied. When he said that he would not be there because I had decided it was a lie and he himself told it that way. In that I do agree. It was he who decided not to be. I had a conversation with him a year or so ago when we were finishing the filming of the first season and he told me that he was not committing to a second season. I, who am clear about what I want to do in life and I don't need to meditate to know it, I want to write and keep writing. In addition, the protagonist is Pol. We have been shooting without the character of Bruno and nothing happens, life goes on www.formulatv.com/noticias/hector-lozano-merli-sapere-aude-final-2-serie-104323/
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Nov 10, 2020 12:13:04 GMT -5
Post by justinate on Nov 10, 2020 12:13:04 GMT -5
Pretty disgraceful behaviour by David Solans if he lied to deflect blame for Bruno's absence ... but at this point I am more inclined to believe Hector since David has never demonstrated commitment to this show. It sounds like he just wants to keep his fans from the Merli universe onside by claiming he wanted to be part of the show but the show didn't want him.
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Nov 10, 2020 12:56:47 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Nov 10, 2020 12:56:47 GMT -5
I am going to give David a tiny amount of support here. The way season 1 ended left Bruno on the out with Pol in a way that seemed pretty final (regardless of how the parent show ended) - and I can imagine that David as the actor didn't have any desire to portray the third wheel for season(s) of Pol's ever changing love interests, before they finally have Pol grow up and figure out who he really cares about and wants to spend the rest of his life with. That said, David had commitment issues with the parent show that led to a lot of chaos.
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Post by justinate on Feb 26, 2021 6:58:11 GMT -5
We have a trailer and a premiere date - 2 April, little over a month to go!
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Mar 1, 2021 13:44:25 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Mar 1, 2021 13:44:25 GMT -5
Yep, definitely seem like Bruno has left the show. Probably for the best until Pol can figure out what he wants
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Mar 9, 2021 1:10:36 GMT -5
Post by cheerios on Mar 9, 2021 1:10:36 GMT -5
To me a lot of the time, it felt like Bruno and Pol would have the same story over and over. So it's best that he's not there until Pol chooses what he wants. I don't really know the drama with David and the show. But I do know that Pol would treat Bruno horribly and Bruno would get screwed over, so it's best that he's gone then if it's just gonna be Bruno being disappointed in Pol.
From the trailer and the description of the coming season, I'm guessing that Pol's ex from when he worked at the grocery store might be HIV positive and there is a chance that Pol has it too. (I mean it could be many things as well, but they say it will change him forever and that's just where my brain went.) Though I doubt that Pol will have it because he slept with many characters in the series, after that and that could mean they are as well. Perhaps it's just a wake up call to him, that he needs to be more careful and practice more safe sex?
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Mar 21, 2021 22:27:54 GMT -5
Post by scmian on Mar 21, 2021 22:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by mizuryuu on Mar 22, 2021 5:32:40 GMT -5
Hopefully he decided that before writing this season, so there won't be a cliffhanger. Knowing it is the last season, they probably should have done more to convince Bruno's actor to stay so they can tie the ending with the ending of Merli.
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Post by 5fold on May 4, 2021 15:12:22 GMT -5
A pity. It really seems like the writer had his plans for the show sabotaged by a wishy-washy actor.
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May 5, 2021 9:59:34 GMT -5
Post by justinate on May 5, 2021 9:59:34 GMT -5
It feels like the show bent over backwards to get him back each time - for the last season of Merli, for the first season of Sapere Aude. I don't blame the showrunner for deciding not to let one actor hold the entire show, cast and crew to ransom. Yes it sucks for fans of Bruno + Pol, but thanks to the ending of the original show we know they will eventually get back together. I wish we had at least one more season to explore more of Pol, and ideally bring the story full circle to Bruno, but even without Bruno I'd have welcome more seasons of just Pol, or Pol with alternate love interests.
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Post by LadyArmand on May 7, 2021 13:55:14 GMT -5
I really wish people would stop blaming one actor for the bad writing and even worse character development on this show and not wanting to be apart of that (like he's the first actor to ever do that in the history of acting). The fact that Pol really hasn't learned all that much plus the fact they keep Pol deliberately tone deaf to how much he hurts Bruno is frustrating to me. The fact that they made Bruno in the original series and this spin off so Pol-centric that the character never really got a chance to develop in his own right bugged the living hell out of me and must have bugged the hell out of David as well. I'm sure when he came back to do this spin off that he was promised certain things only to once again have his character not really exist outside of Pol. Bruno was in the original series and this spin off Pol's door mat, waiting for Pol to figure shit out and decide he wants to be with Bruno. Who the hell wants to play that over and over again? And for anyone who says they like this series why would you want to see him play that over and over again without any character development? All they did in the first season of this spin off is set Bruno up to get kicked in the teeth in the season finale. At one point they literally had Bruno tell Pol to imagine that he was the guy Pol really wanted to be with to have sex with him. And people are really mad that the actor didn't want to continue to play a glorified sex toy for Pol to use and toss aside at his whim?
It's clear to me at least that the writers have a favorite character which is fine (all writers do), but you can have a favorite and still develop your second lead. You can do that and still have Bruno tell Pol where to stick it and walk away from him for awhile. You can do that and still show us how Bruno grows outside of his relationship to Pol. You can do that and give Bruno another legitimate love interest (not just someone to make Pol jealous)so that Bruno understands not only his worth in the context of a relationship but also show what he's unwilling to put up with in a relationship.
To me the fact that the show is ending after this season only illustrates that the writers don't have enough imagination to proceed without Bruno because them getting together and how that developed is what most people wanted to see. To me it is their lack of vision when telling the story, because when the spin off was first announced I thought we'd get to see how both characters developed and grew to the point they got together as a couple. I thought we'd get to see Bruno's grieving process over the loss his father. I thought we'd get to see him being there for his little sister and his father's girlfriend how that relationship developed. But no all we got was Bruno pining after Pol. I mean come on the one time we got to see Merli is not in a scene with his son but with Pol. That made absolutely no sense to me.
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May 7, 2021 20:59:05 GMT -5
Post by Sharingan90210 on May 7, 2021 20:59:05 GMT -5
preach on i agree with this so much especially about his sister
the way pol treated bruno was sickening in they get together at the end there is no way i would get with someone who treated me like scum doesn't matter how good looking he is
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Post by jjose712 on May 8, 2021 7:35:13 GMT -5
I really wish people would stop blaming one actor for the bad writing and even worse character development on this show and not wanting to be apart of that (like he's the first actor to ever do that in the history of acting). The fact that Pol really hasn't learned all that much plus the fact they keep Pol deliberately tone deaf to how much he hurts Bruno is frustrating to me. The fact that they made Bruno in the original series and this spin off so Pol-centric that the character never really got a chance to develop in his own right bugged the living hell out of me and must have bugged the hell out of David as well. I'm sure when he came back to do this spin off that he was promised certain things only to once again have his character not really exist outside of Pol. Bruno was in the original series and this spin off Pol's door mat, waiting for Pol to figure shit out and decide he wants to be with Bruno. Who the hell wants to play that over and over again? And for anyone who says they like this series why would you want to see him play that over and over again without any character development? All they did in the first season of this spin off is set Bruno up to get kicked in the teeth in the season finale. At one point they literally had Bruno tell Pol to imagine that he was the guy Pol really wanted to be with to have sex with him. And people are really mad that the actor didn't want to continue to play a glorified sex toy for Pol to use and toss aside at his whim? It's clear to me at least that the writers have a favorite character which is fine (all writers do), but you can have a favorite and still develop your second lead. You can do that and still have Bruno tell Pol where to stick it and walk away from him for awhile. You can do that and still show us how Bruno grows outside of his relationship to Pol. You can do that and give Bruno another legitimate love interest (not just someone to make Pol jealous)so that Bruno understands not only his worth in the context of a relationship but also show what he's unwilling to put up with in a relationship. To me the fact that the show is ending after this season only illustrates that the writers don't have enough imagination to proceed without Bruno because them getting together and how that developed is what most people wanted to see. To me it is their lack of vision when telling the story, because when the spin off was first announced I thought we'd get to see how both characters developed and grew to the point they got together as a couple. I thought we'd get to see Bruno's grieving process over the loss his father. I thought we'd get to see him being there for his little sister and his father's girlfriend how that relationship developed. But no all we got was Bruno pining after Pol. I mean come on the one time we got to see Merli is not in a scene with his son but with Pol. That made absolutely no sense to me. Sorry, but people don't blame David for not wanting to play the character, they blame him from not being sincere. It would be as easy as to say that he didn't like the way the writers were portraying his character and he wanted to play other characters, as simple as that. And he has the problem that his commitment to the original series (where he was clearly one of the main characters) left a lot to be desired
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Post by justinate on May 8, 2021 9:12:05 GMT -5
I really wish people would stop blaming one actor for the bad writing and even worse character development on this show and not wanting to be apart of that (like he's the first actor to ever do that in the history of acting). The fact that Pol really hasn't learned all that much plus the fact they keep Pol deliberately tone deaf to how much he hurts Bruno is frustrating to me. The fact that they made Bruno in the original series and this spin off so Pol-centric that the character never really got a chance to develop in his own right bugged the living hell out of me and must have bugged the hell out of David as well. I'm sure when he came back to do this spin off that he was promised certain things only to once again have his character not really exist outside of Pol. Bruno was in the original series and this spin off Pol's door mat, waiting for Pol to figure shit out and decide he wants to be with Bruno. Who the hell wants to play that over and over again? And for anyone who says they like this series why would you want to see him play that over and over again without any character development? All they did in the first season of this spin off is set Bruno up to get kicked in the teeth in the season finale. At one point they literally had Bruno tell Pol to imagine that he was the guy Pol really wanted to be with to have sex with him. And people are really mad that the actor didn't want to continue to play a glorified sex toy for Pol to use and toss aside at his whim? It's clear to me at least that the writers have a favorite character which is fine (all writers do), but you can have a favorite and still develop your second lead. You can do that and still have Bruno tell Pol where to stick it and walk away from him for awhile. You can do that and still show us how Bruno grows outside of his relationship to Pol. You can do that and give Bruno another legitimate love interest (not just someone to make Pol jealous)so that Bruno understands not only his worth in the context of a relationship but also show what he's unwilling to put up with in a relationship. To me the fact that the show is ending after this season only illustrates that the writers don't have enough imagination to proceed without Bruno because them getting together and how that developed is what most people wanted to see. To me it is their lack of vision when telling the story, because when the spin off was first announced I thought we'd get to see how both characters developed and grew to the point they got together as a couple. I thought we'd get to see Bruno's grieving process over the loss his father. I thought we'd get to see him being there for his little sister and his father's girlfriend how that relationship developed. But no all we got was Bruno pining after Pol. I mean come on the one time we got to see Merli is not in a scene with his son but with Pol. That made absolutely no sense to me. Bruno was supposed to be a bigger part of the original show. The problem was that David Solans wasn't willing to be. He thought he was too big for the show. He wasn't written out; he left. During his absence, the show scrambled to develop Pol's character and made him the successor to Merli. It was pretty clear to me why that happened. David was very keen to try other stuff - fair enough, I can't fault him for that - but he still wanted to keep his Merli fan base and so decided to make the showrunner out to be the bad guy, which I personally found to be really poor form. The show was in a catch, because Merli's only son was obviously a key character and one-half of a popular gay couple. So when David agreed to reprise the role, they bent over backwards to work around his schedule and fit him in. But really - was the show supposed to shift gears, sideline the more loyal actor, and the character development they'd given him, just because David decided to swan back in to reclaim his fan base? All along the problem is that David wouldn't commit to more time. If he wasn't willing to put in the hours, why bother to develop his character's perspective instead of other characters? It's not that Pol is 100% the focus of the spin-off; there are other characters and some of their stories don't even intersect with Pol's. There's no character development issue there. But those characters are played by actors who commit full-time to the show. David wouldn't, so the blame for Bruno's lack of airtime and perspective lies squarely with him. He made his bed and has to lie in it. The creator also had to make their choice - either write lots of Bruno-centric stories and be at the mercy of David's whims or take a new direction with a more loyal and reliable actor. Given how flighty David was, and there's no reason for the showrunner to believe anything else of him (considering how he repeatedly tried to shift the blame), I think he made the right choice, albeit a sad one for Brunol fans.
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May 8, 2021 11:21:28 GMT -5
Post by LadyArmand on May 8, 2021 11:21:28 GMT -5
I really wish people would stop blaming one actor for the bad writing and even worse character development on this show and not wanting to be apart of that (like he's the first actor to ever do that in the history of acting). The fact that Pol really hasn't learned all that much plus the fact they keep Pol deliberately tone deaf to how much he hurts Bruno is frustrating to me. The fact that they made Bruno in the original series and this spin off so Pol-centric that the character never really got a chance to develop in his own right bugged the living hell out of me and must have bugged the hell out of David as well. I'm sure when he came back to do this spin off that he was promised certain things only to once again have his character not really exist outside of Pol. Bruno was in the original series and this spin off Pol's door mat, waiting for Pol to figure shit out and decide he wants to be with Bruno. Who the hell wants to play that over and over again? And for anyone who says they like this series why would you want to see him play that over and over again without any character development? All they did in the first season of this spin off is set Bruno up to get kicked in the teeth in the season finale. At one point they literally had Bruno tell Pol to imagine that he was the guy Pol really wanted to be with to have sex with him. And people are really mad that the actor didn't want to continue to play a glorified sex toy for Pol to use and toss aside at his whim? It's clear to me at least that the writers have a favorite character which is fine (all writers do), but you can have a favorite and still develop your second lead. You can do that and still have Bruno tell Pol where to stick it and walk away from him for awhile. You can do that and still show us how Bruno grows outside of his relationship to Pol. You can do that and give Bruno another legitimate love interest (not just someone to make Pol jealous)so that Bruno understands not only his worth in the context of a relationship but also show what he's unwilling to put up with in a relationship. To me the fact that the show is ending after this season only illustrates that the writers don't have enough imagination to proceed without Bruno because them getting together and how that developed is what most people wanted to see. To me it is their lack of vision when telling the story, because when the spin off was first announced I thought we'd get to see how both characters developed and grew to the point they got together as a couple. I thought we'd get to see Bruno's grieving process over the loss his father. I thought we'd get to see him being there for his little sister and his father's girlfriend how that relationship developed. But no all we got was Bruno pining after Pol. I mean come on the one time we got to see Merli is not in a scene with his son but with Pol. That made absolutely no sense to me. Bruno was supposed to be a bigger part of the original show. The problem was that David Solans wasn't willing to be. He thought he was too big for the show. He wasn't written out; he left. During his absence, the show scrambled to develop Pol's character and made him the successor to Merli. It was pretty clear to me why that happened. David was very keen to try other stuff - fair enough, I can't fault him for that - but he still wanted to keep his Merli fan base and so decided to make the showrunner out to be the bad guy, which I personally found to be really poor form. The show was in a catch, because Merli's only son was obviously a key character and one-half of a popular gay couple. So when David agreed to reprise the role, they bent over backwards to work around his schedule and fit him in. But really - was the show supposed to shift gears, sideline the more loyal actor, and the character development they'd given him, just because David decided to swan back in to reclaim his fan base? All along the problem is that David wouldn't commit to more time. If he wasn't willing to put in the hours, why bother to develop his character's perspective instead of other characters? It's not that Pol is 100% the focus of the spin-off; there are other characters and some of their stories don't even intersect with Pol's. There's no character development issue there. But those characters are played by actors who commit full-time to the show. David wouldn't, so the blame for Bruno's lack of airtime and perspective lies squarely with him. He made his bed and has to lie in it. The creator also had to make their choice - either write lots of Bruno-centric stories and be at the mercy of David's whims or take a new direction with a more loyal and reliable actor. Given how flighty David was, and there's no reason for the showrunner to believe anything else of him (considering how he repeatedly tried to shift the blame), I think he made the right choice, albeit a sad one for Brunol fans. You say you don't blame David, yet this whole comment you dropped was about finding reasons to blame David. So there's that. I'd believe everything you just wrote if the show wasn't ending because they can't and in my opinion never really had any intention of delivering on what they promised when they announced this spin off. And I say that specifically because of the writing of the first season. I can understand having to shift gears in the original it happens all the time on shows, and more talented writers have made the adjustment and made it work for years after a character (even main ones) have left or come and go for whatever reasons. When it comes to all the behind the scenes stuff you mentioned (as excuses why this is all David's fault because blaming the actor who you say they consider flighty is more important than blaming the people who you say think he's flighty for hiring him back not once but twice, I guess they never heard the saying once bitten twice shy)to me that's a he said he said situation which means you either believe the shouwrunners or David. Personally I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I take what both sides have said with a grain of salt because I wasn't there. I don't know for myself (nor do I write like what I think is actual fact when it's actually speculation because I nor you where there in the room where it happened)what was said or promised on either side. However, I would point out that David doesn't write the show and the first season of this spin off was written very unbalanced especially, for a show that claimed to fill in blanks when it came to how Pol and Bruno got together. David is just an actor and if the showrunners and writers were creative and or capable enough they could have worked around David's absence in order to save the show. The fact that the show is ending tells me they know most people don't care enough about Pol (and his sexcapades)on his own to try and keep the show running with him as the main focus(personally while I had been kind of indifferent to Pol during the run of the original series, the first season of the spin off and how it was written made me build up a genuine dislike for him because I see him as callous). It tells me something happened during the course of the filming of the first season of the spin off that turned both sides sour. There is probably enough blame to go around on all sides.
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May 8, 2021 18:03:02 GMT -5
Post by LadyArmand on May 8, 2021 18:03:02 GMT -5
I really wish people would stop blaming one actor for the bad writing and even worse character development on this show and not wanting to be apart of that (like he's the first actor to ever do that in the history of acting). The fact that Pol really hasn't learned all that much plus the fact they keep Pol deliberately tone deaf to how much he hurts Bruno is frustrating to me. The fact that they made Bruno in the original series and this spin off so Pol-centric that the character never really got a chance to develop in his own right bugged the living hell out of me and must have bugged the hell out of David as well. I'm sure when he came back to do this spin off that he was promised certain things only to once again have his character not really exist outside of Pol. Bruno was in the original series and this spin off Pol's door mat, waiting for Pol to figure shit out and decide he wants to be with Bruno. Who the hell wants to play that over and over again? And for anyone who says they like this series why would you want to see him play that over and over again without any character development? All they did in the first season of this spin off is set Bruno up to get kicked in the teeth in the season finale. At one point they literally had Bruno tell Pol to imagine that he was the guy Pol really wanted to be with to have sex with him. And people are really mad that the actor didn't want to continue to play a glorified sex toy for Pol to use and toss aside at his whim? It's clear to me at least that the writers have a favorite character which is fine (all writers do), but you can have a favorite and still develop your second lead. You can do that and still have Bruno tell Pol where to stick it and walk away from him for awhile. You can do that and still show us how Bruno grows outside of his relationship to Pol. You can do that and give Bruno another legitimate love interest (not just someone to make Pol jealous)so that Bruno understands not only his worth in the context of a relationship but also show what he's unwilling to put up with in a relationship. To me the fact that the show is ending after this season only illustrates that the writers don't have enough imagination to proceed without Bruno because them getting together and how that developed is what most people wanted to see. To me it is their lack of vision when telling the story, because when the spin off was first announced I thought we'd get to see how both characters developed and grew to the point they got together as a couple. I thought we'd get to see Bruno's grieving process over the loss his father. I thought we'd get to see him being there for his little sister and his father's girlfriend how that relationship developed. But no all we got was Bruno pining after Pol. I mean come on the one time we got to see Merli is not in a scene with his son but with Pol. That made absolutely no sense to me. Sorry, but people don't blame David for not wanting to play the character, they blame him from not being sincere. It would be as easy as to say that he didn't like the way the writers were portraying his character and he wanted to play other characters, as simple as that. And he has the problem that his commitment to the original series (where he was clearly one of the main characters) left a lot to be desired Someone has to make this make sense. Because if as you and other's have stated David had a problem with commitment to the project in all of it's forms. Why on earth hire him back, not once but twice? Make it make sense because as it stands it sounds (to me) like the show runners are incompetent at the very least or just plain stupid at worse. If I have a project (that involves not just my livelihood but that of hundred or so other people) and I find I can't count on you, there is no way in hell that I'm gong to re-hire you not just once but twice. Maybe it's just me, but that's not logical thinking, that's not business minded thinking. And while this is entertainment/art, it's still a business. So why would the show runners put their livelihood in the hands of someone (who according to some people) has proven he can't be trusted? Again, make it make sense.
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Post by justinate on May 8, 2021 21:47:16 GMT -5
You say you don't blame David, yet this whole comment you dropped was about finding reasons to blame David. So there's that. I'd believe everything you just wrote if the show wasn't ending because they can't and in my opinion never really had any intention of delivering on what they promised when they announced this spin off. And I say that specifically because of the writing of the first season. I can understand having to shift gears in the original it happens all the time on shows, and more talented writers have made the adjustment and made it work for years after a character (even main ones) have left or come and go for whatever reasons. When it comes to all the behind the scenes stuff you mentioned (as excuses why this is all David's fault because blaming the actor who you say they consider flighty is more important than blaming the people who you say think he's flighty for hiring him back not once but twice, I guess they never heard the saying once bitten twice shy)to me that's a he said he said situation which means you either believe the shouwrunners or David. Personally I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I take what both sides have said with a grain of salt because I wasn't there. I don't know for myself (nor do I write like what I think is actual fact when it's actually speculation because I nor you where there in the room where it happened)what was said or promised on either side. However, I would point out that David doesn't write the show and the first season of this spin off was written very unbalanced especially, for a show that claimed to fill in blanks when it came to how Pol and Bruno got together. David is just an actor and if the showrunners and writers were creative and or capable enough they could have worked around David's absence in order to save the show. The fact that the show is ending tells me they know most people don't care enough about Pol (and his sexcapades)on his own to try and keep the show running with him as the main focus(personally while I had been kind of indifferent to Pol during the run of the original series, the first season of the spin off and how it was written made me build up a genuine dislike for him because I see him as callous). It tells me something happened during the course of the filming of the first season of the spin off that turned both sides sour. There is probably enough blame to go around on all sides. No, I said I don't blame David for wanting to leave the show in the first place because he got another gig. Yes it sucked for fans and it would've been nice if he was willing to stay on, but he didn't and frankly the show should have recast the role back then. That much you can blame on the show. But, having decided not to recast, the show bent over backwards to get him back because they had set him up to be a significant character, the only son of the titular lead and one-half of a popular gay couple. Were they stupid to break out all the stops to get him back and to believe he might have some loyalty to the fans and to the show that brought him to prominence? Yes, maybe - but I wouldn't blame the victim, i.e. the showrunner. They made all overtures to get him back, not once but twice (first for the final season of the original show, then for the spin-off launch). And even this time they wanted to get him back but David declined because his part wasn't big enough. To me that shows they still wanted to make things work for the fans and for the integrity of the story Hector always wanted to tell, and David was holding that over their heads. I agree the show has ended prematurely and unsatisfyingly. But I don't think it's because the fans don't care about Pol - if that were the case then why even create a spin-off around him as the main character, and why commission a second season of that spin-off? They could have just ended it with season 1. They didn't renew the show until after season 1 debuted and they had an idea of what the ratings looked like, which must have been strong enough to justify a renewal, and to keep that renewal even after the pandemic hit and increased the costs of production which has reversed the renewal of other shows. So it's not a ratings or cost problem that has deterred the show from going forward. Taking a look at the trajectory of the characters, I would speculate that there was supposed to be at least one more season, and that final season would've been about how Bruno and Pol developed into the couple we saw at the end of the original show. I guess the show finally decided they had enough and weren't going to beg David anymore - like you said, once bitten twice shy, although in this case they didn't become shy until the third attempt. Was it the right call? Should they have sucked it up for one last season to wrap up the story properly? That's really down to the individual's tolerance to be manipulated and humiliated. Sure, fans would've liked a Brunol ending, but it doesn't entitle us to ask the showrunner to repeatedly humiliate and subjugate himself. He already did that twice. A third time is just punishment. I honestly think, for a show that was his baby, losing the long-term story he'd planned due to David's intransigence and deceit broke him. His heart just wasn't in it anymore, and it shows throughout this meandering second season. I'm really sorry for how it ended and for Hector, Carlos and the rest of the cast and crew. But I know who I blame, and who should be blamed - it's squarely on David. As for the "he said, they said" situation, David would have more credibility if he hadn't admitted that he lied in the first instance. From the outset, he spun a very self-serving narrative and was finally pushed into admitting what he said wasn't accurate, that it had been his choice to leave/to only reappear briefly and not the show's. So at least in the first instance, we don't have to be "in the room" to know what was said - it's right there in black and white, David's own admission. And I suspect that admission probably had a large part to play in why the show was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and work with him again. Unfortunately their faith was misplaced. I'm a great believer in "when people show you who they are, believe them" - a lesson Hector and his team have learned too late. I dream of what could have been with a different actor (maybe one of the guys from Elite) in the part of Bruno, if only they'd pulled the trigger sooner.
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Merlí
May 10, 2021 5:01:23 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on May 10, 2021 5:01:23 GMT -5
I think a lot of this will end up being he said/he said territory and we will never know the exact truth of why David is no longer part of the show or why the show was canceled. We can make all the inference we can, but obviously, we seem to be landing on different perspective based on different interpretation of the available facts.
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Merlí
Nov 11, 2021 10:26:11 GMT -5
Post by justinate on Nov 11, 2021 10:26:11 GMT -5
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Merlí
Nov 11, 2021 20:17:44 GMT -5
Post by jblaze018 on Nov 11, 2021 20:17:44 GMT -5
This managed to fly under my radar - an Italian adaptation of Merli will debut tonight on Rai 1, under the title Un Professore. http://instagr.am/p/CV-_xdkslJt I wonder will they start remaking different versions of this show like they did with Skam.
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Merlí
Nov 13, 2021 7:18:17 GMT -5
Post by justinate on Nov 13, 2021 7:18:17 GMT -5
I wonder will they start remaking different versions of this show like they did with Skam. I think it will be a bit of a harder sell than Skam due to the philosophical themes, but I guess if this Italian remake is a success, they may start looking to expand in other countries, too.
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jos87
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Post by jos87 on Nov 14, 2021 7:42:47 GMT -5
The first two episodes had a great result in terms of ratings. 5.090.000 viewers with a share 25.3%.
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Merlí
Nov 15, 2021 6:19:08 GMT -5
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Post by mizuryuu on Nov 15, 2021 6:19:08 GMT -5
I hope this remaking shows from other countries doesn't catch on like Skam. As much as I love Skam, if you watch all the remake, everything just get too repetitive, despite the minor changes they make. I would prefer new shows/storylines than a copy like they did with Skam
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Merlí
Nov 15, 2021 11:52:03 GMT -5
Post by justinate on Nov 15, 2021 11:52:03 GMT -5
I hope this remaking shows from other countries doesn't catch on like Skam. As much as I love Skam, if you watch all the remake, everything just get too repetitive, despite the minor changes they make. I would prefer new shows/storylines than a copy like they did with Skam I thought the Skam remakes in France and Belgium (WTFock) did a pretty good job. But remakes in general rarely live up to the excellence of the original. Hopefully they will introduce enough originality into this remake. I dare say bringing forward the gay storyline could be one such move, but somehow I don't have the confidence they will do that. Skam Italia did exactly that in response to a rise of homophobia in the country, but it didn't exactly bring them a big fanbase, and Italy's parliamentarians recently voted down hate crime legislation.
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Merlí
Nov 16, 2021 6:41:11 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Nov 16, 2021 6:41:11 GMT -5
Those two remakes weren't bad, but after a while, they still feel a little repetitive despite the changes they made to the show. I still loved Skam France and WTFock, but just would be nice if there are more originality instead of the constant remakes that are popular in shows/movies
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