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Post by lolaruns on May 11, 2012 13:08:48 GMT -5
yes, but before we could maybe claim that was just Daniel/it's only because Daniel is kind of a horny a*hole. Now suddenly all the guys are neaderthals.
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Post by Trish on May 11, 2012 13:22:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure about my feelings on the Marlene/Rebecca kiss. If you have to do all those special affects, it takes away from it. Chrolli never needed special affects for their kisses. I know they weren't spinning around, so did the kiss really last that long or was that just suppose to be the way it felt to them and in real life it was only the first kiss, which was nothing more than a peck.
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Post by lolaruns on May 11, 2012 13:39:48 GMT -5
I don't really like those special effects either. Though it kinda had a story reason there I guess, like they are blending out all the "noise" around them. I still think they could have solved that differently. Like skip that part where everybody is oogling the dance and rather than having Andi request the kiss because he's horny have Christian request the kiss as a favor to Rebecca (like to show her that it's not all that/that Marlene really isn't into it).
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Post by Trish on May 11, 2012 13:59:34 GMT -5
That would have been good.
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Post by 88chrolli on May 11, 2012 14:06:41 GMT -5
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Post by Trish on May 11, 2012 15:10:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the caps.
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Post by 88chrolli on May 11, 2012 16:26:26 GMT -5
Today episode with Chris, i keep the scene between Charlie and Ricardo at the beginning, cause Chris is in the background
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Post by lolaruns on May 12, 2012 0:51:39 GMT -5
The subs from the Marbecca scenes are up here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqdVy3gBL1AI have to say, I think this Rebecca has a more believable friendship chemistry with Thore than Jasmin ever did. Jasmin was just always really bland with them and you wondered why they would even hang out. She was better with Olli. But with Tatjana I buy the little sister vibe more. (which is ironic since she's like 8 years older than Jasmine)
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Post by angelarose on May 12, 2012 3:24:27 GMT -5
All the guys were supersleazy and gross this ep. From Christian telling Andi today wasn't the day for wearing tight pants before pointing him in the direction of the Marbecca dancing, Tristan telling Marlene that watching her dance got him all hot and bothered, to Andi demanding a "second helping" because the dance got him to hot, to Kim mentioning that Emilio was also oogling them. eyes , it was to eyeroll ;D , but somewhat typical of all of them (except Tristan) Seriously, guys, go watch some porn on the internet. and preferably together with Jessica ...an another threesome/foursome on the horizon ;D I don't think being "supersleazy and gross" is somewhat typical of Christian. As for the others, Andi is sometimes low-brow but he's Andi and I take it with a grain of salt, and I wouldn't really know as far as Emilio or Tristan since I don't see them much. And I didn't really get the impression that Christian was implying something to the effect of being turned on by the girls dancing with his statement about now not being the time for swimming trunks (and maybe it's playing semantics but the translation I saw didn't say "tight pants" but swimming trunks), especially since he said it with a fairly serious expression and not with a smirk or a playful look on his face. He seemed to me to be saying that now wasn't the time for goofing off because he needed to look out for Rebecca and he motioned in her direction pointing out how she was behaving and getting carried away with herself. Yes, he was watching them dancing and a few moments later he smiled (which again didn't strike me as a 'that's so hot' smile, seemed more like he was smiling at Andi's reaction, but regardless that was the briefest moment in the whole exchange), but he seemed to be more worried and incredulous about Rebecca's behavior when only a few moments before she was agreeing that she should leave, and the expressions on his face as he watched the dancing seemed to display that, in my opinion. Anyway, I thought Christian was more the voice of reason in this episode and was trying to watch out for Rebecca and save her from herself, and I didn't really find him crass or inappropriate. If that were the case then he too would've been enthusiastic about seeing Rebecca and Marlene kissing (as Andi and Emilio were with the chanting, and heck, even Kim joined in) but instead he tried to put a stop to it by saying it was late, etc, and the look on his face was one of worry and concern, not one of being excited that he was about to see two girls kiss and it's hot. But, of course, everyone sees things differently...
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Post by catswhiskermcginty on May 12, 2012 4:18:33 GMT -5
eyes , it was to eyeroll ;D , but somewhat typical of all of them (except Tristan) and preferably together with Jessica ...an another threesome/foursome on the horizon ;D I don't think being "supersleazy and gross" is somewhat typical of Christian. As for the others, Andi is sometimes low-brow but he's Andi and I take it with a grain of salt, and I wouldn't really know as far as Emilio or Tristan since I don't see them much. And I didn't really get the impression that Christian was implying something to the effect of being turned on by the girls dancing with his statement about now not being the time for swimming trunks (and maybe it's playing semantics but the translation I saw didn't say "tight pants" but swimming trunks), especially since he said it with a fairly serious expression and not with a smirk or a playful look on his face. He seemed to me to be saying that now wasn't the time for goofing off because he needed to look out for Rebecca and he motioned in her direction pointing out how she was behaving and getting carried away with herself. Yes, he was watching them dancing and a few moments later he smiled (which again didn't strike me as a 'that's so hot' smile, seemed more like he was smiling at Andi's reaction, but regardless that was the briefest moment in the whole exchange), but he seemed to be more worried and incredulous about Rebecca's behavior when only a few moments before she was agreeing that she should leave, and the expressions on his face as he watched the dancing seemed to display that, in my opinion. Anyway, I thought Christian was more the voice of reason in this episode and was trying to watch out for Rebecca and save her from herself, and I didn't really find him crass or inappropriate. If that were the case then he too would've been enthusiastic about seeing Rebecca and Marlene kissing (as Andi and Emilio were with the chanting, and heck, even Kim joined in) but instead he tried to put a stop to it by saying it was late, etc, and the look on his face was one of worry and concern, not one of being excited that he was about to see two girls kiss and it's hot. But, of course, everyone sees things differently... Christian seemed to be more concerned about Rebecca and the situation she was putting herself in both at the nightclub dancing with Marlene and later at the Orangery. I like him in best friend mode and I think that he is better with new Rebecca compared to Jasmin who although she was beautiful her acting wasn't that great. I am warming to the whole Marlene and Rebecca story just not convinced by the chemistry enjoying both Marlene and Tristan at the moment.
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Post by lolaruns on May 12, 2012 6:14:46 GMT -5
I thought he was protective of her otherwise, but to me, the tone of swimming trunks comment made it pretty clear to me that he was talking about erections. And in this one scene I don't even buy that it was protective of Rebecca because Andi hadn't even noticed them at that point, he only noticed after Christian pretty much pointed him in the direction of the dancing girls. So that scene bugged me. But then again I had issues with the "tone" of the episode in a whole bunch of places and honestly, generally all week. For example: on tuesday or wednesday there was an episode where Clarissa is trying to get Timo and Leonie to do an internship at LCL. Leo tells Kim that Timo doesn't want to because he told her only women and homos work in fashion And then they made the joke "There are at least 10 male designers who are straight. - Ok, name any. - Can't think of any." And then of course Clarissa's sidekick Boris sort of approached Timo too and the episode ends with Timo "breaking free", dumping the LCL job and following his pilot dream instead. At least when Emilio was homophobic, Kim, the girl he likes, told him he was a dick for it, but with Timo it was just left uncommented. I was like, wow, really VL? We are back to those clichees? Gays are gross and lesbians are nothing but cheap sex objects to get guys hot and bothered? I have read some more Marbecca friendly interpretations by now, that on Friday it was done to set up a certain mood to kinda emphasize that the Marebecca moment/kiss goes beyond that, that they blend out all that noise and have a special moment in the middle of a crowded room. But that still means that even if it isn't the worst option (the writers actually believe that), the best option is that they turned normally ok guys like Emilio and Andi into gross idiots just to set up a mood.
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Post by kira on May 12, 2012 7:38:57 GMT -5
I don't think being "supersleazy and gross" is somewhat typical of Christian. As for the others, Andi is sometimes low-brow but he's Andi and I take it with a grain of salt, and I wouldn't really know as far as Emilio or Tristan since I don't see them much. And I didn't really get the impression that Christian was implying something to the effect of being turned on by the girls dancing with his statement about now not being the time for swimming trunks (and maybe it's playing semantics but the translation I saw didn't say "tight pants" but swimming trunks), especially since he said it with a fairly serious expression and not with a smirk or a playful look on his face. He seemed to me to be saying that now wasn't the time for goofing off because he needed to look out for Rebecca and he motioned in her direction pointing out how she was behaving and getting carried away with herself. Yes, he was watching them dancing and a few moments later he smiled (which again didn't strike me as a 'that's so hot' smile, seemed more like he was smiling at Andi's reaction, but regardless that was the briefest moment in the whole exchange), but he seemed to be more worried and incredulous about Rebecca's behavior when only a few moments before she was agreeing that she should leave, and the expressions on his face as he watched the dancing seemed to display that, in my opinion. Anyway, I thought Christian was more the voice of reason in this episode and was trying to watch out for Rebecca and save her from herself, and I didn't really find him crass or inappropriate. If that were the case then he too would've been enthusiastic about seeing Rebecca and Marlene kissing (as Andi and Emilio were with the chanting, and heck, even Kim joined in) but instead he tried to put a stop to it by saying it was late, etc, and the look on his face was one of worry and concern, not one of being excited that he was about to see two girls kiss and it's hot. But, of course, everyone sees things differently... Couldn´t have said it better. I watched it and also didn´t get the impressions that Christian was implying being turned on by the girls dancing. In fact I think your explanation for his comment is exactly how it was meant. This was also emphazied by the German pronounciation/delivery of the line.
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Post by Trish on May 12, 2012 10:10:32 GMT -5
I'm with you Angelarose and Kira. I didn't think he even wanted to be there. Just looking out for Rebecca and feeling that she was getting in over her head with the dancing.
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Post by angelarose on May 12, 2012 10:10:35 GMT -5
I thought he was protective of her otherwise, but to me, the tone of swimming trunks comment made it pretty clear to me that he was talking about erections. And in this one scene I don't even buy that it was protective of Rebecca because Andi hadn't even noticed them at that point, he only noticed after Christian pretty much pointed him in the direction of the dancing girls. So that scene bugged me. But then again I had issues with the "tone" of the episode in a whole bunch of places and honestly, generally all week. For example: on tuesday or wednesday there was an episode where Clarissa is trying to get Timo and Leonie to do an internship at LCL. Leo tells Kim that Timo doesn't want to because he told her only women and homos work in fashion And then they made the joke "There are at least 10 male designers who are straight. - Ok, name any. - Can't think of any." And then of course Clarissa's sidekick Boris sort of approached Timo too and the episode ends with Timo "breaking free", dumping the LCL job and following his pilot dream instead. At least when Emilio was homophobic, Kim, the girl he likes, told him he was a dick for it, but with Timo it was just left uncommented. I was like, wow, really VL? We are back to those clichees? Gays are gross and lesbians are nothing but cheap sex objects to get guys hot and bothered? I have read some more Marbecca friendly interpretations by now, that on Friday it was done to set up a certain mood to kinda emphasize that the Marebecca moment/kiss goes beyond that, that they blend out all that noise and have a special moment in the middle of a crowded room. But that still means that even if it isn't the worst option (the writers actually believe that), the best option is that they turned normally ok guys like Emilio and Andi into gross idiots just to set up a mood. Well, as I said, everyone sees things differently, and I thought the tone of the way Christian said it and his expression made it quite clear that he did not mean it in that way but in the protective way. His expression and tone to me in no way indicated he was being 'playful' or saying it with a smirk or a wink, so to speak. Neither his tone, delivery, nor expression seemed to match that meaning. And I'm not really sure what Andi not having noticed prior has to do with anything (he wasn't looking to protect her from Andi), that was the point of him gesturing in their direction, so Andi would see what he meant by the statement. I just think to interpret his comment in the crass way is a bit of a stretch, and a leap to the most negative of explanations for his words. But anyway, we all have our interpretations and I don't want or need to change anyone's mind, I just needed to express my point of view.
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Post by lolaruns on May 12, 2012 10:14:12 GMT -5
To me he was at the very least inviting Andi to oogle the girls. And there was no point of that since Andi doesn't know that them dancing is "dangerous" because he doesn't know about Rebecca's feelings. So what does Marbecca dancing have to do with trunks being inappropriate.
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Post by angelarose on May 12, 2012 10:31:06 GMT -5
To me he was at the very least inviting Andi to oogle the girls. And there was no point of that since Andi doesn't know that them dancing is "dangerous" because he doesn't know about Rebecca's feelings. So what does Marbecca dancing have to do with trunks being inappropriate. I don't think he was "inviting" Andi to ogle them, just pointing them out so Andi would understand what he meant by his comment. I'm not totally sure Andi doesn't know about Rebecca's feelings (given some of his expressions while watching them dancing and the exchanges between him and Christian as they watched), but even if he doesn't he could've just interpreted it as Christian meaning Rebecca was getting carried away with herself as she is wont to do, and was dancing somewhat 'inappropriately' with her brother's girlfriend and Christian feeling he needed to watch out for her. It wasn't that swimming trunks were inapproproate per se, in my opinion he wasn't speaking literally, but saying goofing off right then was inappropriate and it wasn't the time for it because he had more important things to worry about, i.e. Rebecca. But, as I said, we all see it how we see it, and it's probably an endless debate.
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Post by kira on May 12, 2012 10:45:28 GMT -5
To me he was at the very least inviting Andi to oogle the girls. And there was no point of that since Andi doesn't know that them dancing is "dangerous" because he doesn't know about Rebecca's feelings. So what does Marbecca dancing have to do with trunks being inappropriate. IMO Christian just wanted to point out that for him right now is not a good time to wear swimming pants. Not because the dancing might cause a "problem" while wearing the pants but because he right now doesn´t have time for that. He also could have said "right now is not a good time to go swimming" or "to try the pool" or whatever. I agree that if you want to imply something sleazy here you can do that but I´m quite sure that was not the intention. Maybe the writers just don´t expect viewers to interpret every little sentence Christian says as something sleazy. It also doesn´t fit with the rest of the ep to interpret it that way. Throughout the whole ep Christian was trying to protect Rebecca and get her away from Marlene even before the kiss when Andi and Emilio were hot like hell for it he wanted to stop it. So why change the tone for one sentence of the whole ep? Andi not knowing about Rebecca´s feeling doesn´t matter imo. He was showing Andi and the viewers why he doesn´t have time to try the pool. Andi not really getting/knowing why is not the point of the exchange as well as Andi finding the dance hot when he sees it imo.
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Post by angelarose on May 12, 2012 11:00:40 GMT -5
To me he was at the very least inviting Andi to oogle the girls. And there was no point of that since Andi doesn't know that them dancing is "dangerous" because he doesn't know about Rebecca's feelings. So what does Marbecca dancing have to do with trunks being inappropriate. IMO Christian just wanted to point out that for him right now is not a good time to wear swimming pants. Not because the dancing might cause a "problem" while wearing the pants but because he right now doesn´t have time for that. He also could have said "right now is not a good time to go swimming" or "to try the pool" or whatever. I agree that if you want to imply something sleazy here you can do that but I´m quite sure that was not the intention. Maybe the writers just don´t expect viewers to interpret every little sentence Christian says as something sleazy. It also doesn´t fit with the rest of the ep to interpret it that way. Throughout the whole ep Christian was trying to protect Rebecca and get her away from Marlene even before the kiss when Andi and Emilio were hot like hell for it he wanted to stop it. So why change the tone for one sentence of the whole ep? Andi not knowing about Rebecca´s feeling doesn´t matter imo. He was showing Andi and the viewers why he doesn´t have time to try the pool. Andi not really getting/knowing why is not the point of the exchange as well as Andi finding the dance hot when he sees it imo. You explained my thoughts much better than I did, I agree with you.
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Post by lolaruns on May 12, 2012 11:09:43 GMT -5
To me the tone of that ep was at least as much all the various guys going on about how hot the dancing was. Why would Christian think that going swimming was as inappropriate as dancing like Marbecca when Emilio, Andi and Tristan who was after all running the party thought it was awesome? When the whole point of the party is to be extravagant, it was an explicit party of the schedule that the pool should be used and Tristan even praised the fact that Tanja threw her rival into the pool because it would give them headlines. It's not like this was some stuff old people party where it would make sense to chide Andi and Marbecca for behaving against the tone.
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Post by Trish on May 12, 2012 11:19:50 GMT -5
Pool would mean less clothes. Which would make it even harder for Rebecca to control herself. He could see from the dancing that she was already out of control.
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Post by kira on May 12, 2012 11:20:07 GMT -5
I meant the tone of the ep reagarding Christian´s behaviour. He wanted to get Rebecca away from Marlene. He wanted to prevent the kiss. He was the only on not saying/showing how hot Marbecca were and the only one against the kiss. So with all that why would they change his behaviour for one sentence? Going swimming was "inappropriate" solely for Christian in this very moment because he had to look out for Rebecca and therefore no time to use the pool.
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Post by angelarose on May 12, 2012 11:35:12 GMT -5
The tone of the episode may have had an element of the guys thinking the girls dancing was hot, but not as far as Christian was concerned, none of his other lines or expressions conveyed that, nor did his tone. The common thread throughout was Christian trying to get Rebecca away from Marlene and save her from herself, it doesn't make sense for him to suddenly be excited or turned on by their dancing when he knows about Rebecca's feelings and given all the other things he said and did in the episode. And he didn't think swimming was inappropriate for the tone of the party, or for others at the party, but for him because he had more important things to do, keep an eye on Rebecca, than to go swimming at that moment. Same with the dancing, it wasn't inappropriate for the tone of the party but for Rebecca given her feelings, and even if Andi doesn't know this he could just assume Christian is being protective of Rebecca and not wanting her to get too carried away with her brother's girlfriend, or do something to embarrass herself because she's his friend, not because it necessarily would be frowned upon by the other partygoers. The others may have thought the dancing was "awesome" throughout the episode, but that doesn't mean Christian, who was the voice of reason throughout and who did nothing but try to put a stop to Rebecca's behavior and get her away from the situation, both at the club and at her place, thought it was awesome as well. It just doesn't fit with his behavior in the rest of the episode.
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Post by kira on May 12, 2012 11:39:07 GMT -5
@ angelarose, now you have explained way better what I wanted to say.
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Post by lolaruns on May 12, 2012 12:25:37 GMT -5
The tone of the episode may have had an element of the guys thinking the girls dancing was hot, but not as far as Christian was concerned, none of his other lines or expressions conveyed that, nor did his tone. The common thread throughout was Christian trying to get Rebecca away from Marlene and save her from herself, it doesn't make sense for him to suddenly be excited or turned on by their dancing when he knows about Rebecca's feelings and given all the other things he said and did in the episode. And he didn't think swimming was inappropriate for the tone of the party, or for others at the party, but for him because he had more important things to do, keep an eye on Rebecca, than to go swimming at that moment. Same with the dancing, it wasn't inappropriate for the tone of the party but for Rebecca given her feelings, and even if Andi doesn't know this he could just assume Christian is being protective of Rebecca and not wanting her to get too carried away with her brother's girlfriend, or do something to embarrass herself because she's his friend, not because it necessarily would be frowned upon by the other partygoers. The others may have thought the dancing was "awesome" throughout the episode, but that doesn't mean Christian, who was the voice of reason throughout and who did nothing but try to put a stop to Rebecca's behavior and get her away from the situation, both at the club and at her place, thought it was awesome as well. It just doesn't fit with his behavior in the rest of the episode. The point is not that whether he was turned on himself. IMO to me it looked like he was sure Andi would think it was hot and that's why it would be embarassing for Andi. Only that Andi hadn't even seen it yet before Christian had pointed it out to him. To me that contributed to the whole "hey look, it's lesbians, go and gape at them" mood. And it was amplified by them constantly panning between the dance and the guys looking at them. If the point was to signal danger/worry to the viewer, like we should think that this was a bad thing that should be stopped there would have been a music cue for that. Instead Andi came, invited Christian, Christian said it wasn't good to wear trunks, Andi looked at him at to ask why and as a reason Christian nodded at Marbecca as the reason. Why are Marbecca a reason for Andi not to go swimming when both swimming and dancing are appropriate in the context and Andi didn't know that Marbecca dancing was a bad thing (instead he enjoyed enthusiastically and later made the situation worse by requesting the Marbecca kiss). Again to me it was part of the overall theme of the episode that they were hammering home "Haha, lesbians give guys boners, haha". And for that it doesn't matter whether Christian had one himself. He was still part (on the writers' side) of delivering that message to the viewer.
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Post by kira on May 12, 2012 12:49:39 GMT -5
The point is not that whether he was turned on himself. IMO to me it looked like he was sure Andi would think it was hot and that's why it would be embarassing for Andi. Only that Andi hadn't even seen it yet before Christian had pointed it out to him. To me that contributed to the whole "hey look, it's lesbians, go and gape at them" mood. And it was amplified by them constantly panning between the dance and the guys looking at them. If the point was to signal danger/worry to the viewer, like we should think that this was a bad thing that should be stopped there would have been a music cue for that. Instead Andi came, invited Christian, Christian said it wasn't good to wear trunks, Andi looked at him at to ask why and as a reason Christian nodded at Marbecca as the reason. Why are Marbecca a reason for Andi not to go swimming when both swimming and dancing are appropriate in the context and Andi didn't know that Marbecca dancing was a bad thing (instead he enjoyed enthusiastically and later made the situation worse by requesting the Marbecca kiss). Again to me it was part of the overall theme of the episode that they were hammering home "Haha, lesbians give guys boners, haha". And for that it doesn't matter whether Christian had one himself. He was still part (on the writers' side) of delivering that message to the viewer. To me it looked like he wanted to show Andi his reason for not going swimming with him, which was Rebecca doing something "stupid". It was not about Andi not being able to swim because of Marbecca. The whole panning between the dance and the guys was of course supposed that Andi was turned on but defintely not Christian. We could clearly seen his worried face and heard him saying "oh oh" in a concerned way. Would he really say "Hey Andi you will get a boner watching this" only to one second later react the way he did to the dancing? The point was maybe to show the viewers that guys get turned on by lesbians but also through Christian that this was a bad thing to do for Rebecca. Even if Andi and Emilio have the hots for lesbians and that was the tone of the ep, Christian certainly didn´t contribute to that given his behaviour. Nothing he did made him look sleazy.
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