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Post by Trish on Dec 13, 2011 15:29:17 GMT -5
Olli did not see a thing, we did but all olli saw was the guy giving the signal that Christian was gone. He backed up not noticing a thing, he was too far gone. It's funny for real, how we can truly see the same scene and get a a different interpretation from it. That's your interpretation. If he couldn't see it, why show it from his prospective. Maybe he didn't process it, but it doesn't change anything. When he was leaving, they were still working on him.
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Post by blaykee on Dec 13, 2011 15:36:59 GMT -5
we are seeing it through Olli's eyes hence why it's blurred. and WE can see it, so he can too.
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Post by LadyArmand on Dec 13, 2011 15:40:14 GMT -5
It changes a great deal if he couldn't/didn't process what he was seeing after he left the ring. After he saw the other guy signal to Daniel that Christian was gone and Olli saw that he'd stopped working on Christian. What we are shown from Olli's perspective is that everything blurred for him, the focal point wasn't anything other than him seeing Christian's lifeless body. The point of showing the audience this was to show how everything changed for Olli in that moment. He was focused on one thing and one thing only. It's called tunnel vision, nothing elsse around him would have registered in that moment, nothing else could have been processed in that moment. And in that moment he thought the man he loved was dead. And he couldn't stand to see that.
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Post by Trish on Dec 13, 2011 15:42:53 GMT -5
Yeah, like he couldn't stand to say good bye to him when he thought he was moving. Olli has a terrible pattern that way.
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Post by sonia38 on Dec 13, 2011 15:45:17 GMT -5
Thank you LadyArmand, you said it perfectly.
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Post by amk on Dec 13, 2011 15:46:45 GMT -5
Thank you LadyArmand, you said it perfectly. agree ! Thank you LadyArmand
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Post by blaykee on Dec 13, 2011 15:55:20 GMT -5
which guy signaled that Christian was gone? the one who after shaking his head in a tense situation immediately put on the oxygen mask, thus continuing to work on him? It's interesting there would be so much interpretation on a scene that to me seemed very black and white. makes it that much more interesting to discuss though
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Post by LadyArmand on Dec 13, 2011 15:55:44 GMT -5
I really don' think we want to start talking about disturbing patterns of behavior or really getting into character flaws do we?
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Post by moonstruck-me on Dec 13, 2011 16:11:16 GMT -5
LOL! XD
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Post by Trish on Dec 13, 2011 16:19:27 GMT -5
I really don' think we want to start talking about disturbing patterns of behavior or really getting into character flaws do we? Since we've beat the other character to death, why not give this one a shot. Besides, Christian was laying dying on the floor. Not much character to talk about at this point. Any other character problems wouldn't belong in this thread. Olli's are pretty evident here, so he is open for discussion.
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Dec 13, 2011 16:28:16 GMT -5
Maybe it has something to do with the difference in our expectations -- that is, those of us who read the spoilers 'know the future' (and are being influenced by what we know) whereas Olli cannot.
We know it isn't over, but Olli's seen as much as he can bear, and he's fallen into the Abyss of Loss. He's not reckoning with Daniel's working a miracle, as we, of course, are.
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Post by Trish on Dec 13, 2011 16:44:09 GMT -5
Maybe it has something to do with the difference in our expectations -- that is, those of us who read the spoilers 'know the future' (and are being influenced by what we know) whereas Olli cannot. We know it isn't over, but Olli's seen as much as he can bear, and he's fallen into the Abyss of Loss. He's not reckoning with Daniel's working a miracle, as we, of course, are. Maybe, if I think that this is the last chance I have to save the person that I love and I may not never have another chance I will fight till the end, especially knowing that my giving up on him before, by assuming that he left town got me to this point. This was a time for Olli to finally stand by Christian and once again he didn't. He can do it when Christian is there smiing back at him, but not when he can't fight for himself. JMO.
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Post by philos on Dec 13, 2011 16:49:44 GMT -5
well, this 3d is remembering me months ago, when people asked Christian to suffer a lot for his guilt; now, it's the time of Olli, he must be hit or almost death. so, as the song says, "Put the blame on mame, boy, put the blame on mame..." Who will play Rita Hayworth and who Glenn Ford? twatts, blaykee? are you ready? ;D ;D If you haven't understud, I'm still in my loving phase, I see all in pink! and roses, cherry, kiss and ring!
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Post by Trish on Dec 13, 2011 17:11:10 GMT -5
No blame being place her philos. Olli said it himself. He gave up on Christian, even though he loved him.
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Dec 13, 2011 17:14:00 GMT -5
Maybe it has something to do with the difference in our expectations -- that is, those of us who read the spoilers 'know the future' (and are being influenced by what we know) whereas Olli cannot. We know it isn't over, but Olli's seen as much as he can bear, and he's fallen into the Abyss of Loss. He's not reckoning with Daniel's working a miracle, as we, of course, are. Maybe, if I think that this is the last chance I have to save the person that I love and I may not never have another chance I will fight till the end, especially knowing that my giving up on him before, by assuming that he left town got me to this point. This was a time for Olli to finally stand by Christian and once again he didn't. He can do it when Christian is there smiing back at him, but not when he can't fight for himself. JMO. I do see your point, but psychologically the 'extenuating circumstance' is the historical context: Christian, because of his heart condition, is predisposed to this sort of death, and by his -- certainly in Olli's opinion -- reckless conduct, Christian has sealed his fate. Olli leaves the apartment in what we're led to believe is a 'fatalistic' frame of mind, that he senses the situation as a race against time, and that he (and Christian) lose the race is only the likely outcome -- though, of course, the dreaded one. And also he, Olli, begins to blame himself, and so expect the worst. If it were a collapse, cardiac arrest -- as does, of course, happen to people from time to time -- without the 'predisposing' history, then Olli's 'fatalistic' assumption might be harder to empathize with. Ultimately, though, OUR predicament is as usual: for our own satisfaction, we try to 'save the character's face', which is to say, find the best explanation / interpretation consistent with our sympathy for the characters and the love between them, to compensate for the writers' inconsistencies, out-of-characterizations, non sequiturs, and lack of subtlety. Of course, to do precisely that week in and week out, imagine how hard it must be for Thore and Jo!
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Post by philos on Dec 13, 2011 18:31:58 GMT -5
No blame being place her philos. Olli said it himself. He gave up on Christian, even though he loved him. I know, my dear, and it's true; when I'm in this mood, I want to joke with all the world! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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