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Post by sonia38 on Nov 25, 2011 20:03:30 GMT -5
Well, well, Olli certainly knows how to hit below the belt when he is angry, the only thing that ties them together is the house so let's sell it and go our separate way. The look on Christian's face, I guess the reality of their situation just hit him hard. Olli does things without really thinking and so does Chris and man can they break my heart at every turn.
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Post by Trish on Nov 25, 2011 20:09:53 GMT -5
Well, I'm just sad. What the hell was that last dialogue? Is Olli admitting he knows Theresa meant nothing to Christian but he, himself, cares about Rafa? It looks like Olli has got in the habit of treating Christian like sh*t and then he feels very upset when hot-headed Chris reacts... Did he really expect him to sit quietly at the table, in his best manners, and make polite conversation with the guy who's all over Olli? He definitely didn't because he was a nervous wreck, before the dinner, like Jessica so cleverly pointed out. So why did he do it? Because Rafa wanted it. So, Olli is no longer able to think for himself, to do what he wants or, at least, what he knows is the right thing. Because he has to please a kid? And after all that talk about it just being about sex, he invites him to move in with him? I don't know why he told Christian he mattered to him. He knows he still matters to Chris, but he can't help pressing hard on a big bruise. If he wants to move on with Rafa, fine. But does he have to rub it in so much? What does he need to prove? And who does he need to prove it to? The Olli I knew and loved would never be so cruel. Thanks, MM and Joanna He needs to prove it to Chris. That he can move on without him. Thanks for the video and caps.
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Post by bkoz on Nov 25, 2011 20:14:22 GMT -5
Don't have anything to add that all you guys haven't already said. Except that Olli and his douche are so tacky to kiss in front of Christian.
Thank you Joanna and MM.
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Post by Trish on Nov 25, 2011 20:14:51 GMT -5
Well, well, Olli certainly knows how to hit below the belt when he is angry, the only thing that ties them together is the house so let's sell it and go our separate way. The look on Christian's face, I guess the reality of their situation just hit him hard. Olli does things without really thinking and so does Chris and man can they break my heart at every turn. Yeah they do, but all I could think of. Fine sell your half. Give up your precious NL for your new Spaniard, if being around me is so terrible. I'll keep mine.
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Post by blaykee on Nov 25, 2011 20:15:28 GMT -5
Ok I admit I was confused when Olli said he knew Theresa meant nothing to Christian, I would have loved to have that info back then.
and he kinda admitted he's a hypocrite because when theresa came into the bar (and there was no smooching even going on) he refused to even serve her.
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Post by Trish on Nov 25, 2011 20:22:18 GMT -5
Ok I admit I was confused when Olli said he knew Theresa meant nothing to Christian, I would have loved to have that info back then. and he kinda admitted he's a hypocrite because when theresa came into the bar (and there was no smooching even going on) he refused to even serve her. He wouldn't even serve her when she was by herself. I guess that's different though, they were friends then
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Post by ari on Nov 25, 2011 20:28:35 GMT -5
Yay Olli!!!! Make Chrissie feel the heat!!! Love it!!!!!
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 25, 2011 20:42:47 GMT -5
I think I watched one of the best Chrolli episodes in ages...Incredibly funny ;D (I really laughed my ass off most of the time)... and sad. Watching our guys being so pathetic is truly heartbreaking ... I really hope Thore and Jo never stop playing the guys ...
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Post by GiGi on Nov 25, 2011 20:50:00 GMT -5
I really hope Thore and Jo never stop playing the guys ... Ever since they killed off Roman on AWZ, I have the same feeling! My heart wouldn't be able to take it if they killed off one of these two. Yeah, I know it's just a soap, I get it. But I'm not over Roman and am JUST over Reid Oliver getting hit by a train last year. I need therapy... Please leave Chrolli alone, for my sanity, if nothing else!
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Post by psychocandy on Nov 25, 2011 20:56:02 GMT -5
Posted by bel7003 on Today at 7:08pm Well, I'm just sad. So, Olli is no longer able to think for himself, to do what he wants or, at least, what he knows is the right thing. Because he has to please a kid? And after all that talk about it just being about sex, he invites him to move in with him? I don't know why he told Christian he mattered to him. He knows he still matters to Chris, but he can't help pressing hard on a big bruise. If he wants to move on with Rafa, fine. But does he have to rub it in so much? What does he need to prove? And who does he need to prove it to? The Olli I knew and loved would never be so cruel. Yes this last episode was ridiculous. It doesn't make sense that Olli would let himself be dictated to by a kid. And it does seem cruel of Olli to keep pushing Rafa into Christian's face. And it does strike me that Olli is desperately trying to prove something. The only way I can make sense of Olli's behaviour, other than the writer's just wanting to portray him in the worst possible way and thereby making a mockery of his character, is that he moved Raf in as a means to show Christian that "no" they can't just remain friends. Sort of a way of calling Christian's bluff. And that's why he keeps looking back at Christian when Raf is all over him. It could be a combination of revenge and desperation, and either a conscious statement or a subconscious plea for help. If you look at Olli's expression when Raf is smooching him, he doesn't look exactly ecstatic. In a way I think Olli wants to be rescued. I think those looks back are a way to see if Christian is really as unemotionally affected as he's making out to be. I don't think "he knows he still matters to Chris", or at least not in the way he 'wants' to matter. And perhaps that's why Olli agreed to this absurd dinner party. Because otherwise for me it doesn't make sense that he would agree to an idea that is sooo stupid just to please a kid he barely knows. And I do think Olli is actinf out of desperation and he is still conflicted. He admitted that he still loves Christian. So I suspect that he doesn't really want the divorce and when he tentatively tried to suggest that they might possibly delay it indefinitely, Christian's response was less than agreeable (and perhaps understandable given what he'd witnessed a few hours before). So in this instance after trying to talk things out calmy failed, what does Olli have left? I think deep down Olli recognises that Christian and him remaing as friends and still in each others orbit with new partners is an untenable situation. Anyway that's the interpretation I'm giving this idiocy so that I can keep caring about the characters. Otherwise neither is very likeable the way the writer's are making them act. Hi! I'm sort of new and sort of not. I posted a few months ago but then deleted my account.
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Post by teachgirl on Nov 25, 2011 23:58:06 GMT -5
Yes this last episode was ridiculous. It doesn't make sense that Olli would let himself be dictated to by a kid. And it does seem cruel of Olli to keep pushing Rafa into Christian's face. And it does strike me that Olli is desperately trying to prove something. The only way I can make sense of Olli's behaviour, other than the writer's just wanting to portray him in the worst possible way and thereby making a mockery of his character, is that he moved Raf in as a means to show Christian that "no" they can't just remain friends. Sort of a way of calling Christian's bluff. And that's why he keeps looking back at Christian when Raf is all over him. It could be a combination of revenge and desperation, and either a conscious statement or a subconscious plea for help. If you look at Olli's expression when Raf is smooching him, he doesn't look exactly ecstatic. In a way I think Olli wants to be rescued. I think those looks back are a way to see if Christian is really as unemotionally affected as he's making out to be. I don't think "he knows he still matters to Chris", or at least not in the way he 'wants' to matter. And perhaps that's why Olli agreed to this absurd dinner party. Because otherwise for me it doesn't make sense that he would agree to an idea that is sooo stupid just to please a kid he barely knows. And I do think Olli is actinf out of desperation and he is still conflicted. He admitted that he still loves Christian. So I suspect that he doesn't really want the divorce and when he tentatively tried to suggest that they might possibly delay it indefinitely, Christian's response was less than agreeable (and perhaps understandable given what he'd witnessed a few hours before). So in this instance after trying to talk things out calmy failed, what does Olli have left? I think deep down Olli recognises that Christian and him remaing as friends and still in each others orbit with new partners is an untenable situation. Anyway that's the interpretation I'm giving this idiocy so that I can keep caring about the characters. Otherwise neither is very likeable the way the writer's are making them act. Hi! I'm sort of new and sort of not. I posted a few months ago but then deleted my account. Hi, welcome back, really like this post. You kind of rescued Olli for me, because, much as I have been sympathetic to him through much of this storyline, I thought the writers really took it too far here. I think this is actually a very good interpretation of Olli's behavior, and I think the same is true for Christian. I think they both want to be rescued, but they're on this runaway train and can't stop. But I do agree with @bel that the old Olli wouldn't have been that cruel; then again the old Christian wouldn't have been as cruel and unfeeling as he was all summer. They have redeemed Christian a lot for me in the past few weeks. I hope they do the same for Olli. Jo and Thore were both so good in that last scene. And the look of panic and surprise on Christian's face at the end just killed me.
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Post by psychocandy on Nov 26, 2011 0:52:23 GMT -5
@ teachgirl Hi! I'm glad I sort of rescued Olli for you. I think it would be a shame to turn against either Christian or Oliver when it's actually shoddy writing that's really to blame for this mess. I like the image you use of a runnaway train that neither character can escape. For me it's not quite runaway but rather driven deliberately over a cliff by the writer's. Sometimes I think they're purposefully trying to create discord among the Chrollifans. I too agree with @bel that the old Olli wouldn't have been that cruel. And I echo your point as well about old Christian. Both characters seem to have suffered partial lobotomies at the hands of the writers! But I love both Christian and Olli.
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Post by valso on Nov 26, 2011 2:35:38 GMT -5
Jo and Thore were both so good in that last scene. And the look of panic and surprise on Christian's face at the end just killed me. this! I just wish they could stop acting like idiots, they are torturing each other (and us ) just because they are too scared and stubborn to admit what they really want ETA many thanks to Joanna and MM
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Post by Trish on Nov 26, 2011 8:47:15 GMT -5
So true valso. It is torture. This has been going on for far too long.
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Post by LadyArmand on Nov 26, 2011 8:52:54 GMT -5
So true valso. It is torture. This has been going on for far too long. Finally something we agree on. This is the sl from hell, it's like the freaking energizer bunny. It just keeps going, and going, and going, and going. It's like getting a waxing done on hair at a time. Enough already.
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Post by amk on Nov 26, 2011 8:57:30 GMT -5
I can't believe that I'm saying this... but if Charlie came back from mallorca , slapped Olli, slapped Christian , locked them in the apartment again and lost keys ... who knows?
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Post by GiGi on Nov 26, 2011 9:02:09 GMT -5
Both characters seem to have suffered partial lobotomies at the hands of the writers! Agreed!
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Post by Trish on Nov 26, 2011 9:04:58 GMT -5
I can't believe that I'm saying this... but if Charlie came back from mallorca , slapped Olli, slapped Christian , locked them in the apartment again and lost keys ... who knows? That's what their so called friends should have done, when they were downstairs laughing at them. I want Charlie back too. I agree, I think that she would smack some sense into them. Instead she in Majorca, with Clarissa, who is a hopeless case. What happened to Arno by the way.
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Post by maya on Nov 26, 2011 9:30:32 GMT -5
With the subtitles I appreciated the episodes even more. I still think that it was pretty tactless for Olli inviting Christian to dinner and showing off his young summer fling and I really liked the fact that Christian pointed it out to Olli. I guess Olli is the type of person who's not able to stay alone and need to be in a relationship, but I'm pretty sure sooner or later he'll realize that not all the relationships have the same weight and what he has with Rafael is absolutely nothing compared to what he feels for Christian. Thank you Mercury and Joanna for all you do for us.
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Post by Trish on Nov 26, 2011 9:51:18 GMT -5
With the subtitles I appreciated the episodes even more. I still think that it was pretty tactless for Olli inviting Christian to dinner and showing off his young summer fling and I really liked the fact that Christian pointed it out to Olli. I guess Olli is the type of person who's not able to stay alone and need to be in a relationship, but I'm pretty sure sooner or later he'll realize that not all the relationships have the same weight and what he has with Rafael is absolutely nothing compared to what he feels for Christian. Thank you Mercury and Joanna for all you do for us. You are so right maya
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Post by dalphine on Nov 26, 2011 10:27:53 GMT -5
Olli didn't really want to invite Chrisitan, Rafael did.
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Post by Trish on Nov 26, 2011 10:40:28 GMT -5
True, but he did it anyway and then got angry with Chris, when he did exactly what he knew he would do. Pretty lame if you ask me.
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Post by dalphine on Nov 26, 2011 12:00:52 GMT -5
Sometime I laugh at my ownself how much, I'm invested and obess with Chrolli, two fictional character on a soap, but I love them anyway.
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Post by mitsaso on Nov 26, 2011 12:09:09 GMT -5
lolol Jessica had me at stitches this time around, with her little scheme to make everyone end up with a little Spanish boyfriend!! Patience, Jessica, maybe Emilio or Ricardo will soon be in DD... (then you and Chrissy boy can have your pick) Also I loved her attitude about the threesome, it's like if it happened more than 3 months ago, it doesn't count anymore And paella, blech! I hate seafood, so I only eat the Valencian paella with chicken. They should have ditched the cliche food option of Rafael's and have a Chorizo party instead... wink wink And LOL at Rafael pronouncing paella wrongly! Mi espanol es mierda and I still speak better spanish than him!!! If VL could not cast german-speaking spaniards for the Mallorca parts to be realistic, they could AT LEAST have hired spanish-speaking germans!!! The episode was laughable at most times, and frankly, I can't believe how Christian fooled himself into calling Rafael out. When he saw Rafa opening the money box, and he saw that Rafa saw him seeing him opening the box (mindfuck?), he knew that Rafa knew that he was being seen and didn't show any kind of anxiety/guilt/whatever, he just smiled and did a "shush" gesture at Christian. Since Rafa seemed all cool about this, Christian must have surely known that he did nothing wrong or if he did, he had covered himself and wasn't afraid of being revealed. Anyway, the stuff Christian told Olli at the very end were SO. RIGHT. They turned this thing around for me! Olli is acting as if he didn't insult Theresa at every chance he got, and Christian barely even shoved her down his throat like he does now with Rafa. Christian never pretended that Theresa was anything more than a band-aid, while Olli only kinda admitted that to Rafa, but puts a show on for everyone else, parading his "serious relationship" around. In a mere 10 days of relationship, they already went on a trip together, are living together and cooking fooding having their ROOMATES as guests! At the speed they're going, RafOlli will get married the same day the Chrolli divorce gets signed, just to keep Olli from being alone.
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Post by ari on Nov 26, 2011 12:14:04 GMT -5
Christian shouldn't have gone. He knew he was going to act a fool at some point. He is responsible for his actions alone.
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