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Post by Luca on Nov 25, 2011 15:46:11 GMT -5
Olli didn't know but Christian had seen O/R three times after the kiss they shared. Olli knew all about Christian giving up the job because of him, the flowers, etc. Rafael came back from Ibiza with Olli and was install in his apartment (and Christian knew) and Olli was vague about Rafael (who was at flat waiting for him). When Christian asked Olli if it'd make any difference to talk about what had kept him in DüDO (after seeing O/R making out in his apartment) Olli says "maybe", "maybe". Surprisingly, after Olli apologize for walk in he's apartment Christian wasn't eve mad at him. If he were he wouldn't have said they should try to be friends. If he couldn't let go he would want to keep distance. Christian's situation was far sad than that because it's not "bruised ego ", it hopelessness. He was hopeless because he knew that Olli knew about the job, the flowers, that Rafael was install at Olli's apartment and yet Olli's answer to his question was "maybe". All this together, "maybe" means nothing. "Yes" was the correct answer here and if Olli had said "yes" and I could agree Christian was wrong in not accepting the postponement. Christian is the one who made the moves recently, at that moment the ball was in Olli's court and he missed it. He was the one who should have taken the leap of faith knowing Christian did his. But he didn't because once again he run away as he has done since last March. Can we blame him? Maybe not, his just a coward who is afraid to face the obstacles life puts in his way.
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Post by LadyArmand on Nov 25, 2011 15:56:08 GMT -5
Olli is no more or less a coward at this point that the venerable and oh so virtuous Christian. They've both been thrown balls lately which would speak to them still being not only in love with each other but very much connected. The prolonged hand holding in the hall being one, and the kiss being another. The miscommunications they are having are not one sided. They're both scared and both acting like it. And the maybe came from the fact that he didn't hearig bit and pieces of information, which is why he went to take to Christian in the first place. They are too busy looking for the tiny details right now that both of them are missing the big picture.
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Post by silviam11 on Nov 25, 2011 15:56:44 GMT -5
Great post, Luca!
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Post by teachgirl on Nov 25, 2011 16:02:51 GMT -5
They are too busy looking for the tiny details right now that both of them are missing the big picture. This is exactly it in nutshell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 16:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by sonia38 on Nov 25, 2011 16:40:46 GMT -5
Yes, Jo did look incredibly sexy in that outdoor scene and for once in a long time, his pants looked great on him and he did look oh so pretty as usual.
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Post by Trish on Nov 25, 2011 17:28:58 GMT -5
Sorry, girls! But did you forget that Christian had JUST witnessed his husband (they're not divorced yet) half naked with his lover in his own home? Was he really supposed to believe their relationship still had a chance. Olli needed months to get over Jessica, and he has never directly forgiven Christian for that. Now Christian has to make a decision like that? In his shoes, I wouldn't. fair enough Silvia and my heart goes out for christian...if there's anything i hate seeing in this show is chris broken hearted but chris at this point is behaving like olli did in the beginning. yes olli did go off on holiday with raf, but after he thought chris had gone to branderburg and yes again he did make out with raf in christian WG but only because he thought christian wasn;t there. if only christian listened and talked to olli properly things might have been resolved but his pride got in the way. at this point now both are being as stubborn as hell, what's new!!, and refuse to admit their feelings for each other. Yes Chris is acting like Olli did and to that degree, Olli should get where Chris is coming from. Would he have wanted to have dinner with C/T. He didn't even want to serve him drinks. Yes Chris said "maybe"we could be freinds, awfully big of him, but Olli saw Chris walk out when he was in NL the prior day and he could tell that it bothered him. So why would he think that it would be all better the next day? Chris hoped that they could be friends, but being friends doesn't mean have to share every aspect of your life. It means at least at this point, being civil, which Chris was trying to do.
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Post by Trish on Nov 25, 2011 17:33:43 GMT -5
did he say no? it's still olli's flat right? or does Raphael call all the shots now? did he avoid rubbing it in his face? So, Rafael says it's a great idea, and Olli says Amen! Simple like that! I think that R kind of backed Olli into a corner. He asked about his relationship with Chris and he told him that they were fine and that he didn't have to worry about him. He and Chris were friends. That's when R pulled the next card. Having the dinner and inviting friends, including Chris. Olli could have still said no, but he probably felt that if he did R would think that there was something to worry about.
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Post by Trish on Nov 25, 2011 17:40:33 GMT -5
Right now I don't care who did what, look where we are now, If I were Christian I would never had gone to the flatshare to share in that dinner because we all know how Christ can go off at the drop of a hat. I think Olli was a tad uncomfortable in this situation but Rafael needs to take a step back and stop being so damn annoying. Why must he kiss Olli at the drop of a hat in front of everyone especially when you know he is not over his ex and the ex is sitting right there in front of you, that was really uncalled for. Rafael needs to grow up and Olli needs to set some boundaries with his young lover. The two of them and their fights will never end until they see he error of their ways and right now none of them can see that because of all the hurt. That Rafael is a sly one though and Christian has a feeling about him which I think is right on the money. You answered your own queston. R is a sly one, that's why he kisses Olli all the time. He knows that Chris is still a threat and from the convo in the hall, he knows that Chris is also a hot head. Push him till he blows and watch the fireworks. Then look at Olli all doe eyed and wonder why he would be accused of such a terrible thng. After all he's just trying to show Olli how much he appreciates him. Why would he put the money in the box. Olli gave it to him out of his pocket. He knew that Chris would tell him about it and he knew that Chris would look like a fool.
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Post by Trish on Nov 25, 2011 17:45:10 GMT -5
Olli didn't know but Christian had seen O/R three times after the kiss they shared. Olli knew all about Christian giving up the job because of him, the flowers, etc. Rafael came back from Ibiza with Olli and was install in his apartment (and Christian knew) and Olli was vague about Rafael (who was at flat waiting for him). When Christian asked Olli if it'd make any difference to talk about what had kept him in DüDO (after seeing O/R making out in his apartment) Olli says "maybe", "maybe". Surprisingly, after Olli apologize for walk in he's apartment Christian wasn't eve mad at him. If he were he wouldn't have said they should try to be friends. If he couldn't let go he would want to keep distance. Christian's situation was far sad than that because it's not "bruised ego ", it hopelessness. He was hopeless because he knew that Olli knew about the job, the flowers, that Rafael was install at Olli's apartment and yet Olli's answer to his question was "maybe". All this together, "maybe" means nothing. "Yes" was the correct answer here and if Olli had said "yes" and I could agree Christian was wrong in not accepting the postponement. Christian is the one who made the moves recently, at that moment the ball was in Olli's court and he missed it. He was the one who should have taken the leap of faith knowing Christian did his. But he didn't because once again he run away as he has done since last March. Can we blame him? Maybe not, his just a coward who is afraid to face the obstacles life puts in his way. You are so right Luca. That "maybe" spoke volumes. If the answer is maybe, why should Chris put his neck out there. As far as he was concerned. He already stuck his neck out. He even called Olli, even if it was to supposedly talk about the divorce. Olli said he couldn't bare to say goodbye. He could even send a text or right a note. No, he ran as fast as he could to leave town. So that even if Chris wanted to talk to him one more time he couldn't.
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Post by Trish on Nov 25, 2011 17:48:29 GMT -5
Olli is no more or less a coward at this point that the venerable and oh so virtuous Christian. They've both been thrown balls lately which would speak to them still being not only in love with each other but very much connected. The prolonged hand holding in the hall being one, and the kiss being another. The miscommunications they are having are not one sided. They're both scared and both acting like it. And the maybe came from the fact that he didn't hearig bit and pieces of information, which is why he went to take to Christian in the first place. They are too busy looking for the tiny details right now that both of them are missing the big picture. Both scared maybe, but Chris has the reason to be gun shy. He's is being smacked in the face with what is reality. Olli made an assumption that was wrong and instead of admitting that he was stupid and shouldn't have assumed the worse, he continues with the same acts.
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Post by Nasos29 on Nov 25, 2011 18:08:20 GMT -5
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Post by sonia38 on Nov 25, 2011 18:28:32 GMT -5
^^It's really not that serious.
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Post by MercuryMay on Nov 25, 2011 18:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by Nasos29 on Nov 25, 2011 18:38:16 GMT -5
sonia38But its really getting to me how the writers are treating him.This is the last episode I am watching.FOR REAL! I ll start again after the 5th Dec
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 18:43:10 GMT -5
seeing this amount of the bold text and capital letters I have a sweet little déjà vu well, good old times ....
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Post by joanna on Nov 25, 2011 18:55:55 GMT -5
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Post by gelybi on Nov 25, 2011 19:07:10 GMT -5
seeing this amount of the bold text and capital letters I have a sweet little déjà vu well, good old times .... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by bel7003 on Nov 25, 2011 19:08:03 GMT -5
Well, I'm just sad. What the hell was that last dialogue? Is Olli admitting he knows Theresa meant nothing to Christian but he, himself, cares about Rafa? It looks like Olli has got in the habit of treating Christian like sh*t and then he feels very upset when hot-headed Chris reacts... Did he really expect him to sit quietly at the table, in his best manners, and make polite conversation with the guy who's all over Olli? He definitely didn't because he was a nervous wreck, before the dinner, like Jessica so cleverly pointed out. So why did he do it? Because Rafa wanted it. So, Olli is no longer able to think for himself, to do what he wants or, at least, what he knows is the right thing. Because he has to please a kid? And after all that talk about it just being about sex, he invites him to move in with him? I don't know why he told Christian he mattered to him. He knows he still matters to Chris, but he can't help pressing hard on a big bruise. If he wants to move on with Rafa, fine. But does he have to rub it in so much? What does he need to prove? And who does he need to prove it to? The Olli I knew and loved would never be so cruel. Thanks, MM and Joanna
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 19:15:37 GMT -5
I have to hand it to the writers for being able to still generate so much passion out of all this mostly contrived mess, LOL. I just had to see what it was all about. Poor virtuous Christian in the middle of insensitive and cruel soon-to-be-ex-hubby Olli and ‘sly’ young Rafael. As I always say, he should be put out of his misery and just find someone worthy of his righteousness. I have such a hard time on the other hand falling over myself to feel the once ever elusive Mann-pain. There was once a time when Olli was called a big drama queen for constantly displaying his. Olli could have easily made sure Christian doesn’t show up… almost as easily as it was for Christian to turn down the invitation, seeing as he has both working mouth and mind of his own too. No one is forcing him to hang around, and it’s not the first instance where he’s done so with Olli and Rafael kissing around him. Both could easily take themselves out of a situation should they find it awkward, especially since things are over, love remnants or not. Not sorry to say, no victims for me here. Everyone knows the score. Kinda funny, kinda sad. This whole thing is terribly pointless anyway. We all know where it all leads. But it sure makes for lively and interesting reactions. ;D Thanks for the links as always. ETA. Oops, didn't even realize the hint of spoiler as I wrote rather quickly. I'll make sure to pay better attention in the future.
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Post by GiGi on Nov 25, 2011 19:16:07 GMT -5
If looks could kill!!! Thanks Joanna!
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Post by candyflossuk on Nov 25, 2011 19:39:01 GMT -5
I LOVED tonights episode. It was just like old times. I couldn't disagree more with the idea that the writers have no respect for Christian's character. In fact I feel quite the opposite! It was during those dark days of Theresa/Christian that I felt like they didn't even know who the character they created was anymore. He was cold, emotionless, arrogant - nothing like the original character. However, the recent episodes are showing the Christian I remember from before. The one who loves Oli. Who misses him. Who is jealous and possessive of any guy who even comes near Oli. I'd rather watch him being sad and heartbroken than as an emotionless jackass. Anyway, here's just a few things that I loved about the episode: - Oli using pieces of cucumber as rings - I'm sure there's a joke in their somewhere - Christian hiding behind a car to spy on Rafael. - The fact that Rafael can make all that money from dog walking, in such a short space of time. - Oli suddenly having money to hand over at the drop of a hat to his toyboy. I thought he was skint?! - Jessica's colourful cat ;D - Christian watching Rafael take money out of the money tin. Flashback to the days of Rob anyone? - The fact that Rafael set Christian up. I didn't/don't want him to be evil but I'm glad he's not perfect either. - The arkward dinner. - The last conversation. Oli looked amazing.
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Post by amk on Nov 25, 2011 19:48:04 GMT -5
I LOVED tonights episode. It was just like old times. I couldn't disagree more with the idea that the writers have no respect for Christian's character. In fact I feel quite the opposite! It was during those dark days of Theresa/Christian that I felt like they didn't even know who the character they created was anymore. He was cold, emotionless, arrogant - nothing like the original character. However, the recent episodes are showing the Christian I remember from before. The one who loves Oli. Who misses him. Who is jealous and possessive of any guy who even comes near Oli. I'd rather watch him being sad and heartbroken than as an emotionless jackass.Anyway, here's just a few things that I loved about the episode: - Oli using pieces of cucumber as rings - I'm sure there's a joke in their somewhere - Christian hiding behind a car to spy on Rafael. - The fact that Rafael can make all that money from dog walking, in such a short space of time. - Oli suddenly having money to hand over at the drop of a hat to his toyboy. I thought he was skint?! - Jessica's colourful cat ;D - Christian watching Rafael take money out of the money tin. Flashback to the days of Rob anyone? - The fact that Rafael set Christian up. I didn't/don't want him to be evil but I'm glad he's not perfect either. - The arkward dinner. - The last conversation. Oli looked amazing. I totally agree - in everything. ..I'm just too lazy to write my own comment Thank you Joanna for the beautiful caps and MM for the video
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Post by blaykee on Nov 25, 2011 19:58:56 GMT -5
I agree, that's the Christian we all know and love!!! as for Raphael he got a huge point for wearing those adorable red pants !! And then lost it for mispronouncing a simple Spanish word like Paella. He is a sly one, I think he knows exactly what he's doing, and Olli is falling for it just as Olli does. I just don't understand why he would put the cash in the till when that's the business money and Olli handed the money to him from his pocket. Plus Miri should have noticed someone walk up and open the till. Seriously Olli get a real cash register. I thought Christian and Jessica were hilarious, fighting like brother and sister and when he called her mommy that was so funny. Also how she said "OH, don't start with that old story again" I had flashbacks to all the people who keep bringing it up! lol and the last scene was sad. that is all.
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