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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 22, 2011 22:41:23 GMT -5
hey guys! just caught up..... about the last epi- -the writers are not just pressing on Olli's age here,yet again there is an endless supply of his insecurities and under-confidence which is making him overly defensive towards Christian or anyone who even remotely tries to suggest that he should lay off all this stuff a bit, and I'm admitting they are doing it nicely this time and it was very well acted by Jo.... they didn't use the lame ONS with yet another teen, or some stupid desperate ad, yes, they made Olli look pathetic, but you can understand WHY he is feeling that way all of a sudden, albeit through an agent called Jessica ;D "I read about it in some magazine" of course she wouldn't know anything about break-ups, she never had any ;D!!! -My favourite part of the epi was unrelated to all the drama, I loved Jessica's remark "yep, but nobody cares" to Andi!I love all the lines they're giving Jessica at the moment, she cracks me up! ;D the writers are working overtime on her character and I'm glad they are getting something right she's a 'propah' bitch and proud of it! I'm sooo gonna be a JessAndi shipper! it'd be way more interesting than Helandi -I also loved how Charlie looked so proud when her nephew rejected a lucrative offer from 'the devil' -No comments on Christian....yet..... Thanx Joanna and MM, and a big fat to Joanna for putting in the cap of that collage by the bathroom.......
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Post by canadiansunshine on Aug 22, 2011 22:53:30 GMT -5
Obviously Jessica is ridiculous playing Olli like a frickin guitar. But I just can't believe Christian. Why would he even say something like that to Olli? And then tell him he's 'beyond help' What the hell is his problem!? No wonder Olli has no self confidence. His husband is screwing girls and making seriously rude comments. Its really hard to want Chrolli to reunite when Christian's being such an ass to Olli. Sorry but Christian is sleeping with ONE girl, not girls. Olli is the one sleeping with boys, that's more then one boy. Jessica counts as a girl too. And really, if he is exclusively sleeping with just one girl, that counts as a steady, "relationship"-like status that happened so quickly can be pretty self-esteem reducing to a former partner. OK, I do believe Olli took what Christian said the wrong way. I truly think Christian meant well when he said it was good Olli didn't sign the contract, but Olli's mind was focusing on his desirability, and Christian dug himself in another hole by saying his modeling days were a long time ago. Christian didn't know Olli was feeling this way. But instead of trying to sort it out, he does the Christian thing by running away (after a girl) but on top of that he throws in "You're beyond help" which is very very cruel, because when someone says that to another, it means you will never change, and if you already don't like who you are and to be told that-holy toledo lookout.
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Post by luckycharm on Aug 22, 2011 22:59:22 GMT -5
So..... Olli is a pathetic, defensive fist of over-sensitive insecurities and Christian is a pathetic, offensive bag of insensitive douche And the fist keeps hitting the bag, and the bag keeps deflecting the punches, without showing any signs of impact, so the fist keeps hitting, wanting a sign of a dent, of an impact, and the bag keeps swinging by, undeterred....and.... Oy vey! Olli's insecurities-angle has been building for a while; starting with the break-up, then, then waking up alone on the beach after the ONS with the almost jail-bait Raphael, then getting turned down by his ONS/internet ad for being old and stalkery, and then, the final blow, the one whose opinion (STILL) matters the most, although he is trying to pretend that it doesn't, seemingly thinks Olli is not "good enough" again (this time, to be a model). I.e., Christian's seemingly-flippant remark. Christian, ofc, did not say that. Olli and his defensiveness, arising out of his vulnerable, insecure state, heard that. Because he is already conviced that he is not (good) enough for Christian, and when one is looking to find fault, they will undoubtedly find it. And, Olli did. Christian's statements, at face-value, is meant to be ambiguous, because the plot's intent is for Olli to misread it. Which does nothing to help Christian's character, and the battering of assholishness it's been taking for a while now, in this SL. So, Christian did come off as patronizing and completely unaware of the boiling doubts and insecurities Olli was plagued with (what else is new?! ) However, what Olli interpreted Christian's statement to be, was not what Christian meant. Christian didn't mean that Olli was too old, not good enough, or anything negative, when he said that "it was a long time ago." He was just, rightly (although patronizingly) pointing out that Olli is not on the same level as Jessica. That, in Christian's eyes, he couldn't understand the logic of why Olli would even consider it - i.e., considering the deal with the devil, aka, Tanja, and because Olli, his life stage, has progressed beyond that stage. Jessica is understandable because she's a desperate nobody, looking to catch a break........but, Olli is a well-established man. Who owns and is running a very successful bar. Has other commitments and obligations in life. Than to "chicky micky*" play model, at Tanja's whim, like Jessica is desperate to do. He's past that stage of juvenile posturings (aka, Tanja's modelling agency and how it's likely run). THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT! * "Chicky micky" ?? - no idea if this is the right spelling; I've heard it used a few times, on VL, and by Christian too, to refer to superficial, haughty-taughty bullshit. And, Christian's "beyond help" comment was in reference to Olli and his aggressive defensiveness to anything Christian says, as being misinterpreted as an insult. I.e., Christian is fed up with having his words twisted by Olli, once again. I really felt for Olli though. Jo did a very poignant job bringing out Olli's insecurity. The end scene was heartbreakingly beautiful. Mirror, mirror on the plate, who is the sad old man, that no one wants to date and appreciate?Btw, that Theresa actress.....HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. Jessica is fluff, fun but fluff. MercuryMay, thanks a million and more than I can count up to. Joanna, as always, your pictures are worth a thousand words...... ......and memories. Danke!
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 22, 2011 23:09:37 GMT -5
@ luckycharm, once again we are on the same page, same line, same word! you wrote everything I wanted to write just with the right amount of punch!
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 23:19:13 GMT -5
So..... Olli is a pathetic, defensive fist of over-sensitive insecurities and Christian is a pathetic, offensive bag of insensitive douche And the fist keeps hitting the bag, and the bag keeps deflecting the punches, without showing any signs of impact, so the fist keeps hitting, wanting a sign of a dent, of an impact, and the bag keeps swinging by, undeterred....and.... Oy vey! Olli's insecurities-angle has been building for a while; starting with the break-up, then, then waking up alone on the beach after the ONS with the almost jail-bait Raphael, then getting turned down by his ONS/internet ad for being old and stalkery, and then, the final blow, the one whose opinion (STILL) matters the most, although he is trying to pretend that it doesn't, seemingly thinks Olli is not "good enough" again (this time, to be a model). I.e., Christian's seemingly-flippant remark. Christian, ofc, did not say that. Olli and his defensiveness, arising out of his vulnerable, insecure state, heard that. Because he is already conviced that he is not (good) enough for Christian, and when one is looking to find fault, they will undoubtedly find it. And, Olli did. Christian's statements, at face-value, is meant to be ambiguous, because the plot's intent is for Olli to misread it. Which does nothing to help Christian's character, and the battering of assholishness it's been taking for a while now, in this SL. So, Christian did come off as patronizing and completely unaware of the boiling doubts and insecurities Olli was plagued with (what else is new?! ) However, what Olli interpreted Christian's statement to be, was not what Christian meant. Christian didn't mean that Olli was too old, not good enough, or anything negative, when he said that "it was a long time ago." He was just, rightly (although patronizingly) pointing out that Olli is not on the same level as Jessica. That, in Christian's eyes, he couldn't understand the logic of why Olli would even consider it - i.e., considering the deal with the devil, aka, Tanja, and because Olli, his life stage, has progressed beyond that stage. Jessica is understandable because she's a desperate nobody, looking to catch a break........but, Olli is a well-established man. Who owns and is running a very successful bar. Has other commitments and obligations in life. Than to "chicky micky*" play model, at Tanja's whim, like Jessica is desperate to do. He's past that stage of juvenile posturings (aka, Tanja's modelling agency and how it's likely run). THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT! * "Chicky micky" ?? - no idea if this is the right spelling; I've heard it used a few times, on VL, and by Christian too, to refer to superficial, haughty-taughty bullshit. And, Christian's "beyond help" comment was in reference to Olli and his aggressive defensiveness to anything Christian says, as being misinterpreted as an insult. I.e., Christian is fed up with having his words twisted by Olli, once again. I really felt for Olli though. Jo did a very poignant job bringing out Olli's insecurity. The end scene was heartbreakingly beautiful. Mirror, mirror on the plate, who is the sad old man, that no one wants to date and appreciate?Btw, that Theresa actress.....HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. Jessica is fluff, fun but fluff. MercuryMay, thanks a million and more than I can count up to. Joanna, as always, your pictures are worth a thousand words...... ......and memories. Danke! I think I love you.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 22, 2011 23:25:28 GMT -5
Great post Lucky charms and thanks for reposting that screencap, I didn't really pay attention to it earlier. How sweet those pictures are still up in the flatshare. ♥
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 23:25:53 GMT -5
So..... Olli is a pathetic, defensive fist of over-sensitive insecurities and Christian is a pathetic, offensive bag of insensitive douche And the fist keeps hitting the bag, and the bag keeps deflecting the punches, without showing any signs of impact, so the fist keeps hitting, wanting a sign of a dent, of an impact, and the bag keeps swinging by, undeterred....and.... Oy vey! Olli's insecurities-angle has been building for a while; starting with the break-up, then, then waking up alone on the beach after the ONS with the almost jail-bait Raphael, then getting turned down by his ONS/internet ad for being old and stalkery, and then, the final blow, the one whose opinion (STILL) matters the most, although he is trying to pretend that it doesn't, seemingly thinks Olli is not "good enough" again (this time, to be a model). I.e., Christian's seemingly-flippant remark. Christian, ofc, did not say that. Olli and his defensiveness, arising out of his vulnerable, insecure state, heard that. Because he is already conviced that he is not (good) enough for Christian, and when one is looking to find fault, they will undoubtedly find it. And, Olli did. Christian's statements, at face-value, is meant to be ambiguous, because the plot's intent is for Olli to misread it. Which does nothing to help Christian's character, and the battering of assholishness it's been taking for a while now, in this SL. So, Christian did come off as patronizing and completely unaware of the boiling doubts and insecurities Olli was plagued with (what else is new?! ) However, what Olli interpreted Christian's statement to be, was not what Christian meant. Christian didn't mean that Olli was too old, not good enough, or anything negative, when he said that "it was a long time ago." He was just, rightly (although patronizingly) pointing out that Olli is not on the same level as Jessica. That, in Christian's eyes, he couldn't understand the logic of why Olli would even consider it - i.e., considering the deal with the devil, aka, Tanja, and because Olli, his life stage, has progressed beyond that stage. Jessica is understandable because she's a desperate nobody, looking to catch a break........but, Olli is a well-established man. Who owns and is running a very successful bar. Has other commitments and obligations in life. Than to "chicky micky*" play model, at Tanja's whim, like Jessica is desperate to do. He's past that stage of juvenile posturings (aka, Tanja's modelling agency and how it's likely run). THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT! * "Chicky micky" ?? - no idea if this is the right spelling; I've heard it used a few times, on VL, and by Christian too, to refer to superficial, haughty-taughty bullshit. And, Christian's "beyond help" comment was in reference to Olli and his aggressive defensiveness to anything Christian says, as being misinterpreted as an insult. I.e., Christian is fed up with having his words twisted by Olli, once again. I really felt for Olli though. Jo did a very poignant job bringing out Olli's insecurity. The end scene was heartbreakingly beautiful. Mirror, mirror on the plate, who is the sad old man, that no one wants to date and appreciate?Btw, that Theresa actress.....HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. Jessica is fluff, fun but fluff. MercuryMay, thanks a million and more than I can count up to. Joanna, as always, your pictures are worth a thousand words...... ......and memories. Danke! I think I love you. You beat me twatts! I love you too luckycharm! So there are still Chrolli pictures in the flatshare! I thought Olli got rid of them all. Seems like a good sign to me.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 22, 2011 23:30:08 GMT -5
Thoughts: On an actually well plotted soap all this stuff about dating younger boys and being insecure about age would lead to Olli falling head over heels for an older guy. But since this is VL that naturally won't happen All this talk about Jessica's motives reminds me of a conversation Tristan and Hagen had recently where Tristan told Hagen that Marlene was really sensitive and really suffering and that it was so bad that she was unable to work and that Hagen needs to do something to fix his marriage. Hagen made a comment along the lines of "Ah, that's where the wind is blowing from, you care about your musical". And Tristan was like "Well, duh!" (It's kinda hard to convey, but the line delivery was awesome; Very "Well sue me for doing my job/how could anybody not be passionate about their job"). That of course he cared about his job but that didn't mean he didn't care about Marlene too. Just like here, just because Jessica really wants to do this doesn't mean that the things she's saying aren't true or that she doesn't genuinely believe in them. Personally, I think she would have taken a pretty similar stance if Olli had been modelling with some other girl (that it is stupid not to take this job/insane to pass up an opportunity like this, that Olli has low self confindence). [btw, on the Tristan and Marlene subject: they are like two weeks before the big musical premiere that Tristan's career is riding on and Marlene always goes into semi-catatonic state when she and Hagen are having problems [last time she lost her voice for a week right in the middle of the big song at the secret press presentation]. Plus he is her brother in law. Plus they are probably building up a future romance there even if the characters aren't there yet. ]
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 23:32:07 GMT -5
When ever I see pictures like that I have to laugh. Who took those pictures? There was no one there when they were sitting in the tub and the same for when Chrisitan is spinning Olli around. Everyone had left.
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Post by bkoz on Aug 22, 2011 23:33:27 GMT -5
So..... Olli is a pathetic, defensive fist of over-sensitive insecurities and Christian is a pathetic, offensive bag of insensitive douche And the fist keeps hitting the bag, and the bag keeps deflecting the punches, without showing any signs of impact, so the fist keeps hitting, wanting a sign of a dent, of an impact, and the bag keeps swinging by, undeterred....and.... Oy vey! Olli's insecurities-angle has been building for a while; starting with the break-up, then, then waking up alone on the beach after the ONS with the almost jail-bait Raphael, then getting turned down by his ONS/internet ad for being old and stalkery, and then, the final blow, the one whose opinion (STILL) matters the most, although he is trying to pretend that it doesn't, seemingly thinks Olli is not "good enough" again (this time, to be a model). I.e., Christian's seemingly-flippant remark. Christian, ofc, did not say that. Olli and his defensiveness, arising out of his vulnerable, insecure state, heard that. Because he is already conviced that he is not (good) enough for Christian, and when one is looking to find fault, they will undoubtedly find it. And, Olli did. Christian's statements, at face-value, is meant to be ambiguous, because the plot's intent is for Olli to misread it. Which does nothing to help Christian's character, and the battering of assholishness it's been taking for a while now, in this SL. So, Christian did come off as patronizing and completely unaware of the boiling doubts and insecurities Olli was plagued with (what else is new?! ) However, what Olli interpreted Christian's statement to be, was not what Christian meant. Christian didn't mean that Olli was too old, not good enough, or anything negative, when he said that "it was a long time ago." He was just, rightly (although patronizingly) pointing out that Olli is not on the same level as Jessica. That, in Christian's eyes, he couldn't understand the logic of why Olli would even consider it - i.e., considering the deal with the devil, aka, Tanja, and because Olli, his life stage, has progressed beyond that stage. Jessica is understandable because she's a desperate nobody, looking to catch a break........but, Olli is a well-established man. Who owns and is running a very successful bar. Has other commitments and obligations in life. Than to "chicky micky*" play model, at Tanja's whim, like Jessica is desperate to do. He's past that stage of juvenile posturings (aka, Tanja's modelling agency and how it's likely run). THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT! * "Chicky micky" ?? - no idea if this is the right spelling; I've heard it used a few times, on VL, and by Christian too, to refer to superficial, haughty-taughty bullshit. And, Christian's "beyond help" comment was in reference to Olli and his aggressive defensiveness to anything Christian says, as being misinterpreted as an insult. I.e., Christian is fed up with having his words twisted by Olli, once again. I really felt for Olli though. Jo did a very poignant job bringing out Olli's insecurity. The end scene was heartbreakingly beautiful. Mirror, mirror on the plate, who is the sad old man, that no one wants to date and appreciate?Btw, that Theresa actress.....HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. Jessica is fluff, fun but fluff. MercuryMay, thanks a million and more than I can count up to. Joanna, as always, your pictures are worth a thousand words...... ......and memories. Danke! Awesome post luckycharm Oh and I love those pix. I miss those people from the good old days.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 23:35:11 GMT -5
Small detail in response to one of the posts, but I'm fairly certain Olli made the comment that he'd be okay with it or could fight for Christian if he had cheated with a guy after Theresa, not before. But at this stage I suppose it doesn't much matter anymore.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 22, 2011 23:40:18 GMT -5
When ever I see pictures like that I have to laugh. Who took those pictures? There was no one there when they were sitting in the tub and the same for when Chrisitan is spinning Olli around. Everyone had left. I was thinking the same exact thing "who took that tub pic" lol
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 23:40:21 GMT -5
When ever I see pictures like that I have to laugh. Who took those pictures? There was no one there when they were sitting in the tub and the same for when Chrisitan is spinning Olli around. Everyone had left. I know! They used to have a picture on the fridge of them kissing before the first time they slept together (*sigh* the red jacket) and I don't think anyone was there to take THAT picture.
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 23:40:23 GMT -5
Small detail in response to one of the posts, but I'm fairly certain Olli made the comment that he'd be okay with it or could fight for Christian if he had cheated with a guy after Theresa, not before. But at this stage I suppose it doesn't much matter anymore. You mean after Jessica. He told Chrisitan that.
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Post by bkoz on Aug 22, 2011 23:43:45 GMT -5
Small detail in response to one of the posts, but I'm fairly certain Olli made the comment that he'd be okay with it or could fight for Christian if he had cheated with a guy after Theresa, not before. But at this stage I suppose it doesn't much matter anymore. You mean after Jessica. He told Chrisitan that. No I think Olli was talking to Helena about it at NL. Cause Helena and Olli at the time were both in the same boat, having both there dudes had slept with Jessica. ( Which I still believe didn't happen ).
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 22, 2011 23:49:52 GMT -5
When ever I see pictures like that I have to laugh. Who took those pictures? There was no one there when they were sitting in the tub and the same for when Chrisitan is spinning Olli around. Everyone had left. we all know how attentive VL is towards details
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Post by ari on Aug 22, 2011 23:54:06 GMT -5
I'm not mad at Christian (yet) as some, but Christian sometimes says things and never thinks (or cares) how they may make Olli feel. How would he react if someone told him what he told Olli?
"That's already been some time ago." as he smirks/laughs. How does he think anyone would take that? He says things in an insulting, condescending way and then becomes more of a jerk by being judgmental and put out when he doesn't like the response. He's always done that to Olli and Olli usually accepts it and sometimes buys into it. Christian can be something of an emotional bully to Olli. I hope if they're ever reunited his behavior will be addressed along with other things they're both guilty of. But that is a biggie, IMO.
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 23:59:18 GMT -5
You mean after Jessica. He told Chrisitan that. No I think Olli was talking to Helena about it at NL. Cause Helena and Olli at the time were both in the same boat, having both there dudes had slept with Jessica. ( Which I still believe didn't happen ). He might have said it then too, but he told Chrisitn that after he saw him hugging Miri and he got mad and went to his room. Chrisitan of course got mad.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 23, 2011 0:11:03 GMT -5
No I think Olli was talking to Helena about it at NL. Cause Helena and Olli at the time were both in the same boat, having both there dudes had slept with Jessica. ( Which I still believe didn't happen ). He might have said it then too, but he told Chrisitn that after he saw him hugging Miri and he got mad and went to his room. Chrisitan of course got mad. I think Olli did mention it to someone (I can 't remember if it was Christian or who) after Jessica, but he also told Dana that he would feel better if Christian had cheated with a guy after he caught him with Theresa (in the episode where he left for Mallorca). He said then he could just tell himself Christian was only "consoling" himself. I was just responding to one of the posts which said Olli said that after the Jessica thing but before he saw him with Theresa.
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Post by bkoz on Aug 23, 2011 0:11:05 GMT -5
No I think Olli was talking to Helena about it at NL. Cause Helena and Olli at the time were both in the same boat, having both there dudes had slept with Jessica. ( Which I still believe didn't happen ). He might have said it then too, but he told Chrisitn that after he saw him hugging Miri and he got mad and went to his room. Chrisitan of course got mad. Hmm I don't remember that. I remember Christian hugging Miriam, but not that. Maybe I'll look again at MM's part of the vid.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 23, 2011 0:15:59 GMT -5
he says it to dana in epi 106 right after he saw him with Theresa.
eta: oops angelarose beat me to it, but thats the epi number.
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Post by Trish on Aug 23, 2011 0:22:43 GMT -5
Is it safe? Can we stay here?
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Post by bkoz on Aug 23, 2011 0:24:36 GMT -5
Is it safe? Can we stay here? Hmmm quite so far.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 23, 2011 0:25:30 GMT -5
Is it safe? Can we stay here?
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Post by Trish on Aug 23, 2011 0:26:44 GMT -5
Is it safe? Can we stay here? Love the ninja. Anyone got a cone of silence? Boy did I just date myself.
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