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Post by mitsaso on Aug 9, 2011 14:34:09 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna. What's that strange 7th picture? Looks like Hieronymus Bosch is doing a cameo on VL!
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 9, 2011 19:30:11 GMT -5
Helena has become such a sad sac, I cannot believe that she stood there while a grief stricken Nico held a gun to that poor man's head and she said nothing to take responsibility for what she did. That man must have been out of his mind with fear, Helena really deserves her comeuppance for this one, what a coward she has become.
Why is Timo and Emilo on practically every single day, I'm just tire of seeing them, they serve no purpose and I hope when the Majorca filming is finished they both go off to boarding school never to be heard from again, they are a waste of space.
I would totally do Ansgar, he just reminds me of one of those really good looking movie actors from the 30's and 40's, yea, Tyrone Power. Yea, I would pounce him in a minute.
Oh, and by the way, Tristian looks totally hot today with the beard thingy he has going on and he was actually dressed much better today. The show was 43 minutes yet it took forever to finish, zzzzzzz.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 9, 2011 20:30:19 GMT -5
3:30 in the Mediathek Helena: Nico, stop, wait! I was behind the wheel! I ran over Philipp. I also got a request to translate the flatshare scene between Andi, Dana and Jessica. J: [eng] Have you seen my lovely new dress? A: At least one piece of good news. Kim is home. D: Oh yes! This evening there'll be partying! A: The entire family. With Hagen. J: [eng] Would you like to take me out to dinner? D: We'll have to pretend the entire evening like nothing ever happened. And Marlene? She trusts me. She trusts Hagen. A: (looking at Jess) Eh! D: That one doesn't hear anything anyway. Check this out. [at Jess] Wohooo, Jessica! Your english is a catastrophe and you'll never have a career at Ligne Clarisse. J: [eng] Could you rub some sunscreen on my back for me? D: What are you doing there anyway? A: I'm sorting mine and Oll's socks. I thought that would distract me. Oh damn, those are Helena's socks. D: Unbelievable. We really are the flatshare of broken hearts. J: [eng] I get all nervous when you look at me like that. D: Except Jessica. Right now she's trying to pick up an American businessman. A: Trying to ignore some one night stand, that never works. (looks pointedly at Jessica) I speak from my own experience. D: If it was just that. I shovel horse dung and think of Hagen. I even go shopping and wonder if he might like the new top. I cook something... A: Alright, I get it. But what about your sister now. Look Dana, there's only one option left. You have to forget about Hagen like I have to try to forget Helena. D: I can't sort that many socks even. A: Dana, today you go to that party and ignore Hagen as much as you can. And when you come back home then all the socks in the world are waiting for you. And a box of beer. Dana: Agreed. I'll forget Hagen. I'll do it! J: [eng] I don't believe you.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 9, 2011 22:06:14 GMT -5
Also: Jan's convo with Arno because I really liked it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSTF6whivCY(Jan is totally making the Mallorca story for me, love the actor, the likability of the story just rises when he's involved) J: How many years has it been now. A: Way too many. Oh, Jan, Jan I searched for you. J: Yes, I didn't want to be found. A: Why are you on Mallorca and since when? J: Not that long. I work here. A: Of all places! J: Yes. I assume you are visiting Julia? Or... I saw her. Althrough she doesn't know about me. A: Say, is there a place we can talk? J: Sure. What do you say, I'll show you my new place of work. May I introduce? Padre Jan. I'm a priest. A: Oh god. Really? J: There's a lot to talk about. [in the church] A: Priest. Why this road? J: Ah, you know dad, I ran away for a long time. From my past, my family, Julia... In Paris I tried to build a new life for myself, but by god I didn't pull that off. The time with Julia was the most beautiful (best) in my life. Probably because I found in her a part of myself again. A: Your twin. J: When she'd disappeared then, it pulled away the floor beneath my feet. As if somebody had pulled my roots from the ground. I don't know. Do you understand what I mean? A: If you'd come to me with this back then, I think I'd have been overwhelmed. J: I think it overwhelmed us all. But I never thought it possible, but in my faith I found a new home. A mission. One that really makes sense. Maybe this sounds odd to you now, but dad, I love my job. A: So you aren't in Mallorca because of Julia? J: No, no, by God, I had no clue that she's here. She came to me to perform confession. Can you imagine that. * A: And still you're here. J: Yes. There are people here who count on me. The kids trust me. And Julia doesn't have to find out that I'm here. A: If you stay here, it's only a matter of time till she comes to know of it. J: I was already on the way to the airport, but I can't run from the past forever. A: Do you, still love Julia? J: *awkward stare* -cut- A: So you've overcome your feelings for your sister? J: When I heard her voice and realized who that was sitting next to me it almost pulled the rug out from under me. All these years I wasn't running away from Julia, but from me, from myself, from my fear of how I'd react when I saw her again, if I could take it, if I'd be strong enough. Suddenly there she was. And I bore it. And now, above all I'm freed (relieved). Because I know she's well. She has a family, she's happy. At least that's what she said. A: That was my impression as well. J: You know dad, maybe this "coincidence" rather wants to tell us that there's a chance for a new beginning, that we can overcome the past. Together. Because I think that this is the only way. And apparently I'm not the only one there. Julia told me about Clarissa in her confession+. I also saw the two together, right here in front of the church. Obviously Julia gave Clarissa another chance and I have to say that that makes me very happy. Forgiveness disburdens us and makes us free. A: Clarissa really gave competition to your boss with her rise from the dead. J: As long as nobody names a religion after her. ~ (and then they talk some more about Clarissa and how she has changed, and how Clarissa won't stop till she has brought all of them to the same table) *LOL, characters pointing out their own plot contrievances. +LOL, privacy of confession anyone? Man you suck as a priest, Jan ;D ~ ;D
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 9, 2011 22:19:22 GMT -5
What, Helena confessed and I missed that? Must be my messed up German or no German at all.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 9, 2011 22:23:47 GMT -5
What, Helena confessed and I missed that? Must be my messed up German or no German at all. Yes she confessed. But then it came out that Nico mistook the confession and thought that Helena had made the lie up to save that guy and thanked Helena for "showing her the light" about it being wrong to seek revenge. [in a great, cracky "supposed to be dramatic, but actually hilarious" scene, Nico saying something along the lines of "when you said that, and I thought about how that would have meant that you left Philipp just lying there and lied to me this entire time, well obviously that would be entirely unrealistic, so naturally there is no way it could have been you"] But yes, Helena confessed and totally thought she was truly confessing/that things were truly over. It's hard to feel sorry for anyone in this story right now, when all of the people involved are acting batshit crazy. ;D
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Post by angelarose on Aug 9, 2011 23:59:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the caps, Joanna.
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Post by pru on Aug 10, 2011 0:40:02 GMT -5
Ooh, thanks for the translation, lolaruns.
I cannot believe that Arno asked Jan if he was still in love with Julia. Like he was going to tell him the truth. Has he asked posed the same question to Julia?
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 10, 2011 1:13:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure if they asked Julia directly but I *think* Clarissa suggested to Julia that Julia was not over Jan yet and that that was a big reason why she finds it so hard to forgive Clarissa.
I also vaguely a scene where Arno tried to talk to Julia about Jan and Julia shut him down (one of their "I don't want to talk about my past" fights)
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Post by bel7003 on Aug 10, 2011 4:42:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure if they asked Julia directly but I *think* Clarissa suggested to Julia that Julia was not over Jan yet and that that was a big reason why she finds it so hard to forgive Clarissa. I also vaguely a scene where Arno tried to talk to Julia about Jan and Julia shut him down (one of their "I don't want to talk about my past" fights) Thanks for the translations, lola. I really don't see what Jessica's English had to do with anything, unless she's going to use that info for something? Can't see what. Maybe it was just supposed to be funny. Knowing what Jan said to Arno makes it a lot better. I like Jan, but it's hard to follow the story without knowing most of what they're saying.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 10, 2011 4:52:39 GMT -5
I think Jessica's English is definitely supposed to be funny, but it's starting to feel like a beating the dead horse type of joke (though it made me curious what Jana's actual english sounds like ). Jan is a good example about how good acting makes you sexy. I just hope it lasts and they don't ruin his character by giving him a sucky storyline.
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Post by bel7003 on Aug 10, 2011 5:06:48 GMT -5
I think Jessica's English is definitely supposed to be funny, but it's starting to feel like a beating the dead horse type of joke (though it made me curious what Jana's actual english sounds like ). Jan is a good example about how good acting makes you sexy. I just hope it lasts and they don't ruin his character by giving him a sucky storyline. That's the problem with VL, right now. The s/l aren't exactly bad. I mean, viewers buy most well acted and well written storylines. Even if the plot itself isn't brilliant. But I feel VL has the ideas, they start off well (except for Chrolli; that night of doom... well... not their best idea, IMO. But I could live with it.), but then, they start dragging the story for so long, it becomes boring and illogical, since they have to fill in all that time with something. We, soap viewers, are used to seeing everything happen in a soap. And we accept it; it comes with the territory, but VL is destroyng characters and stories with that strategy. I think that's why their ratings are so low. I mean, how long are Jan and julia in the same island and still haven't met? For how long will Phil be a vegetable? And how long will it take for Helena to confess, if she will ever do it? How long have Tanja and Sebastian been playing cat and mouse? And how long will Olli wipe glasses and Christian clean horse manure, until something happens?
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Post by Trish on Aug 10, 2011 8:06:50 GMT -5
So true Bel. You want drama, but the drama can only last so long before it taxing. Then you need some balance. Some fun light hearted stuff to or a real romance to balance out the tragedy. I don't know if Jessica is suppose to be the comic relief or not, but the first couple of times she was funny, now she's starting to get pathetic.
Dana/Hagen could be a nice love story, but it started off is a silly way. She saw him and was in love with him then and there and it's not like it took a while for her to find out who he was. So the idea that she has let herself get to his point, makes it hard to root for the couple for me. Although I have to admit Dana has grown on me and I want her to be happy.
Helena, even if she confessed today has been walking arounf like a zombie. I find it hard to believe that now one notices, or maybe it's like us and no one cares. Ludwig tells her she will destroy the family, when she is destroying herself. I'm glad she was able to save the guys life, but truly it should never have gotten to this point.
Chrolli I won't even bother to talk about.
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Post by bel7003 on Aug 10, 2011 8:26:55 GMT -5
The way I see it, all those ideas weren't bad. Phil's accident; Tanja/ Sebastian (weird pairing, but that's soap material); Helena's guilt; Dana/Hagen (although weird, it's something that happens in real life); Chrolli break up; the Jan/Julia drama, etc., could be interesting. And, in the beginning, they were. People were saying they kind of liked it and hoped the show continued like that. But then, they just drag it for too long. They need to reach a balance. They can't handle things in a hurry (like the HIV scare, for instance), but they have to make the stories move forward.
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Post by Trish on Aug 10, 2011 9:02:12 GMT -5
I agree they do need to move forward, but they also need a balance of good things happening while the bad things are happening. Right now all the stories are in flux. As you said, if they finished some of the stories and had some of the couples happy while others were still in tormoil it would be better, then a those come into conflict the others wrap up. Right now nothing is wrapping up and there is no where to take a breather, except Jessica learning english, which probably why so many liked it. It was different and light hearted for a change.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 10, 2011 9:07:27 GMT -5
Tanja/Sebastian is kind of happy-ish by their standards.
Spoiler: And there's probably Tristan/Marlene and whoever Leonie dates coming up.
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Post by Trish on Aug 10, 2011 9:17:02 GMT -5
Tanja/Sebastian is kind of happy-ish by their standards. Spoiler: And there's probably Tristan/Marlene and whoever Leonie dates coming up. Tanja's seeing her dad. I don't think she is happy. I guess they were kind of before that though, but not truly, since neither trust the other yet.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 10, 2011 9:30:51 GMT -5
But I think that's precisely why the fans perceive it as happy-ish. Because the whole point is for them to depend on each other more and setup reasons for Sebastian to save her and say cheesy romantic lines to her. Personally I think it's pretty lame, but I think the fans of the pairing are pretty happy with the progress the two are making. Not to mention, just a short while ago the show had Chrolli (with Lilly), Phico (post Phil's release) and Helandi (minor squabbling about job and kids) as stable couples and I really don't think that it made the show any better because of it
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Post by Trish on Aug 10, 2011 10:33:17 GMT -5
Yes those were bad stories. The Nico/Philip probably the best, but by a hair. There wasn't really a Lily s/l. The Helandi stuff never works. So happy stories for the sake of happy stories don't cut it. I just wish they would put as much effort into the lighter, less dramatic stories as they do into the dramatic ones, or as I said, stagger the tragic stories so that it's not all one or the other.
It reduces the boredem of people being too happy and the exhaustion of people being too sad. JMO.
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 10, 2011 10:46:04 GMT -5
people would probably give me weird looks (I know I won't be able to see them ) for saying I like the current s/l better than Lilly stuff.....it was THE most boring thing to watch, and not because of the lack of intimacy (for once I'm not being shallow ;D) but because I couldn't buy it, even the acting was not up to the par.... this s/l has given us plenty of drama and no matter how ruthless the writers have been, it is the acting that's still holding me on, Jo and Thore make Chrolli's pain believable. but right now, they don't have a s/l of their own...... when it comes to the other s/ls, well from what I've read about them, they look pretty lame...Jan/Julia/Clarissa/Arno and TanSeb by far, the least lame, and Helandi and Helena with the accident stuff-the lamest!never-ending BS!
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Post by Trish on Aug 10, 2011 11:06:55 GMT -5
I didn't like the Lily s/l either. Not because of the premise or the acting. It was because there was no story. They brought the baby on. There was little interaction with her and then papa shows up to take her and we get sad. That is what made it unbelievable. There wasn't enough to make you see them connecting with the chile to understand why they would be so upset when it was time to go.
Here we got more than enough of the cryings and screaming to let us see what they were feeling. Whether we liked it or not. Now we are wanting to see more of Christian's regret, but I think we have seen his hurt and we definitily have seen Olli's, so in spite of the little screne time, we were able to feel what the were goiing through. We didn't get that until the end of the Lily s/l when Christian took Lily and was so upset after she was gone. Not enough before to connect the after.
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Post by paulie2906 on Aug 10, 2011 12:25:32 GMT -5
I wasn't a fan of the Lily SL either, mainly because it just seemed to come out of the blue and make no real sense. No one in their right mind would think of fostering as a way to have a family. Most foster kids only stay a couple of weeks or months and foster parents are counselled in order to make it clear to them that it is not a good idea to get attached.
On top of that it felt as of Christian had been pushed into it by Olli while at the same time refusing to let Olli know that he had serious concerns about the whole deal. I hated the fact they seemed incapable of being open with each other, although they had no trouble opening up to Charlie and Rebecca. For a couple who'd been together for years it didn't say much for their relationship.
It would have been so much better to forget about the fostering and concentrate on their realisation that as a same sex couple their chances of having children were low and how they dealt with the impact of that on their relationship.
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Post by dalphine on Aug 10, 2011 14:37:44 GMT -5
I liked the Lilly storyline, but I do think somethings could have been done better story wise. But Lilly was just adorable.
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Post by Trish on Aug 10, 2011 14:40:26 GMT -5
Christian did voice his concerns after they spoke to the social worker, but Olli thought they wouldn't be a problem. Once again making Christian's desires seem secondary, or more so feeling that he knew what was best and that Christian would be fine once everything was said and done. I really think that Olli needs to take Christian's feelings into account more and to realize that Chrisian isn't as quick to react to things as he is. He needs a litle more time to process and when things fall through and he's disappointed. He needs more time to recouperate.
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Post by joanna on Aug 10, 2011 16:05:10 GMT -5
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