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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 16:44:14 GMT -5
Their lives only change drastically if Will is going to be apart of the child's life. And at this point we still don't know if that's happening or not. It does seem to be what Will wants and it like him being afraid to tell Sonny that he loved him. It's too soon to bring up a baby and he's scared to tell Sonny that's what he wants, that's why he's torn. And this is why I want Sonny to stand by Will when the truth comes out. All Will's life he's seen Sami make mistakes and lose the man she's with because of those mistakes. Will thinks the same think will happen to him. That's why he did tell Sonny he loved him the day they made love, he thought what if Sonny doesn't feel the same and I scare him off. He had to hear it from Lucas before he felt comfortable saying it himself. Will needs to learn that he finally has someone in his life he can count on and who want leave every time he messes up. Someone he knows he can tell anything too and that person will stand by him. If Sonny breaks up with Will then Will learns none of that and will be even more convinced that he's just like his mother.
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Post by pru on Dec 29, 2012 16:45:45 GMT -5
Still waiting for a spoiler that tells me Sonny will have a key role in whatever happens . You're joking right? Sonny won't have jacksquat to do with what goes down at the wedding. He will find out everything AFTER the fact...bet on it.
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Post by pru on Dec 29, 2012 16:48:55 GMT -5
Their lives only change drastically if Will is going to be apart of the child's life. And at this point we still don't know if that's happening or not. It does seem to be what Will wants and it like him being afraid to tell Sonny that he loved him. It's too soon to bring up a baby and he's scared to tell Sonny that's what he wants, especially since Sonny says he doesn't want children yet, that's why he's torn. He's at the point when he needs to tell Sonny and Gabi is blocking it, because she knows that Sonny loves Will and she doesn't want to share the baby with them. She wants her happy family without the guy that didn't want her around. I'm glad that Nick can't go anywhere, because I could see Gabi trying to convince him to move. Well Will needs to get UNSCARED and put his big boy pants on and tell the damn truth already! Him doing an impersonation of an ostrich and delaying the inevitable is only going to make things worse for him in the end when all of this blows up in his face.
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Post by WillNSonny on Dec 29, 2012 16:49:17 GMT -5
Still waiting for a spoiler that tells me Sonny will have a key role in whatever happens . You're joking right? Sonny won't have jacksquat to do with what goes down at the wedding. He will find out everything AFTER the fact...bet on it. That was my point. That is why I really don't care one way or another about the wedding. It's not a story about Sonny and it's not a story about Wilson. Both are just along for the ride. Unless I am interested in the fallout for Gabi/Nick/Will than there isn't anything in it for me. I hope I am proven wrong but I doubt it. I like Will but I am more into this for a good Wilson story and it's not happening it seems.
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Post by pru on Dec 29, 2012 16:57:56 GMT -5
Really? That's what you're going with?
For the record none of us feel sorry Sonny. We're ALL pissed off for Sonny and believe he deserves so much better than what he is getting from this so called relationship.
As for this affecting him, it does BIGTIME! It's beyond obvious Will has changed his mind and wants to tell the truth. The second that happened he should have went to Sonny and told him EVERYTHING!
And your whole breaking up with him is something twelve year old do is lame. Sonny values honesty in his relationships and Will knows this. So when his worse fears come true he will have NO ONE to blame but himself because as it's been stated numerous times already he doesn't have to lie, he just chooses to.
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Post by Trish on Dec 29, 2012 16:59:26 GMT -5
It does seem to be what Will wants and it like him being afraid to tell Sonny that he loved him. It's too soon to bring up a baby and he's scared to tell Sonny that's what he wants, that's why he's torn. And this is why I want Sonny to stand by Will when the truth comes out. All Will's life he's seen Sami make mistakes and lose the man she's with because of those mistakes. Will thinks the same think will happen to him. That's why he did tell Sonny he loved him the day they made love, he thought what if Sonny doesn't feel the same and I scare him off. He had to hear it from Lucas before he felt comfortable saying it himself. Will needs to learn that he finally has someone in his life he can count on and who want leave every time he messes up. Someone he knows he can tell anything too and that person will stand by him. If Sonny breaks up with Will then Will learns none of that and will be even more convinced that he's just like his mother. Exactly, @wilson68. I don't think that Will is like his mother, but he thinks that he is. Will isn't doing this so he doesn't lose Sonny if he was, he would have run out of the pub faster than Gabi did when he said they could raise his baby. As some have said, he's off the hook, but he has a concious. Something that Sami has never really had, except for the time that I keep bringing up. She really had a chance to make things work with Lucas, but people thought she was better with EJ and tptb messed that up. They've got a chance to make it right this time. Will wants to be someone that Sonny can depend on, but he needs to get over this last hurdle. His last big screw up.
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Post by pru on Dec 29, 2012 17:02:32 GMT -5
You're joking right? Sonny won't have jacksquat to do with what goes down at the wedding. He will find out everything AFTER the fact...bet on it. That was my point. That is why I really don't care one way or another about the wedding. It's not a story about Sonny and it's not a story about Wilson. Both are just along for the ride. Unless I am interested in the fallout for Gabi/Nick/Will than there isn't anything in it for me. I hope I am proven wrong but I doubt it. I like Will but I am more into this for a good Wilson story and it's not happening it seems. Oh you won't be proven wrong. I really hate this damn storyline and how Sonny is a bit player in it. Freddie is so damn talented as an actor and it just pisses me off that weaker actors are in the fore front when they definitely need to be in the back.
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Post by han589 on Dec 29, 2012 17:24:06 GMT -5
You're joking right? Sonny won't have jacksquat to do with what goes down at the wedding. He will find out everything AFTER the fact...bet on it. That was my point. That is why I really don't care one way or another about the wedding. It's not a story about Sonny and it's not a story about Wilson. Both are just along for the ride. Unless I am interested in the fallout for Gabi/Nick/Will than there isn't anything in it for me. I hope I am proven wrong but I doubt it. I like Will but I am more into this for a good Wilson story and it's not happening it seems. You won't be, trust me on that! I predicted on these very forums a few months back that a Wabi/Nabi babystory would not result in story for Sonny/WilSon and it is unfolding much the way I thought it would, Wabi/Nabi everywhere and Sonny on the sideline and just wait til Sami/Rafe find out and they'll be both all over it too. However I've accepted how it will be so I'm only watching when Sonny is on these days and skipping the rest. ;D
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Post by elliot on Dec 29, 2012 17:58:50 GMT -5
I'm one of those who doesn't see it as Will having cheated on Sonny. I also don't think that Will needed to have said anything to Sonny if Gabi had gone ahead with the abortion or was going to allow the kid to be adopted by strangers. That would have been between Will and Gabi and wouldn't have involved anyone else. But once Nick was in on the secret and he and Gabi were to pretend the child was Nick's and raise it in Salem right under Sonny's nose that changed things because it meant Will was now lying to Sonny as well as everyone else. That is no basis for any kind of relationship, especially as the lie is clearly causing tension between them.
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Post by Trish on Dec 29, 2012 18:12:48 GMT -5
I'm one of those who doesn't see it as Will having cheated on Sonny. I also don't think that Will needed to have said anything to Sonny if Gabi had gone ahead with the abortion or was going to allow the kid to be adopted by strangers. That would have been between Will and Gabi and wouldn't have involved anyone else. But once Nick was in on the secret and he and Gabi were to pretend the child was Nick's and raise it in Salem right under Sonny's nose that changed things because it meant Will was now lying to Sonny as well as everyone else. That is no basis for any kind of relationship, especially as the lie is clearly causing tension between them. True. Will told Gabi that it was hurting him, but he didn't mention what its doing toSonny. Sonny knows something is wrong and he is wooried aboiet Will. As far as Will knows, that's why he doesn't like Gabi. Will could use the argument that tekking Sonny would make him understand.
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Post by bonniegirl on Dec 29, 2012 19:35:18 GMT -5
It does seem to be what Will wants and it like him being afraid to tell Sonny that he loved him. It's too soon to bring up a baby and he's scared to tell Sonny that's what he wants, that's why he's torn. And this is why I want Sonny to stand by Will when the truth comes out. All Will's life he's seen Sami make mistakes and lose the man she's with because of those mistakes. Will thinks the same think will happen to him. That's why he did tell Sonny he loved him the day they made love, he thought what if Sonny doesn't feel the same and I scare him off. He had to hear it from Lucas before he felt comfortable saying it himself. Will needs to learn that he finally has someone in his life he can count on and who want leave every time he messes up. Someone he knows he can tell anything too and that person will stand by him. If Sonny breaks up with Will then Will learns none of that and will be even more convinced that he's just like his mother. So many great points...and very intuitive. I hope things play out as you suggest.
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Post by archeri on Dec 29, 2012 20:00:13 GMT -5
I still don't understand. If Sonny thinks that there is still something wrong with Will why doesn't he just ask him what it is? If he thinks that Will is no longer keeping Gabi's secrets then what does he think is wrong with Will?
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Post by superfamous on Dec 29, 2012 20:27:47 GMT -5
I just think the entire "Poor Sonny" thing is exaggerated. Will isn't keeping something from Sonny that is ABOUT Sonny or even effect Sonny if he's not Will's boyfriend. In fact, it only effects Sonny now because Will is miserable and Sonny is worried about him. Sonny is not pregnant, he's not going to be a father, at the end of the day, it really isn't about HIM, it's about Will and his future which Sonny may or may not be a part of. Are you serious with that? You don't get it, do you? If Sonny decides to stay with will, he will be a part of that baby's life. He will help raise that baby. Just because it's will's baby doesn't mean that Sonny isn't going to be involved. It is his damn business. Still waiting for a spoiler that tells me Sonny will have a key role in whatever happens . Keep waiting. I still don't understand. If Sonny thinks that there is still something wrong with Will why doesn't he just ask him what it is? If he thinks that Will is no longer keeping Gabi's secrets then what does he think is wrong with Will? Because this entire storyline is just stupid and tedious. No one in this thing is talking to each other. You figure that's what happens in a relationship, but no. Everybody has to act stupid. For the drama, I guess.
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Post by LonePirate on Dec 29, 2012 20:32:52 GMT -5
I'm one of those who doesn't see it as Will having cheated on Sonny. I also don't think that Will needed to have said anything to Sonny if Gabi had gone ahead with the abortion or was going to allow the kid to be adopted by strangers. That would have been between Will and Gabi and wouldn't have involved anyone else. But once Nick was in on the secret and he and Gabi were to pretend the child was Nick's and raise it in Salem right under Sonny's nose that changed things because it meant Will was now lying to Sonny as well as everyone else. That is no basis for any kind of relationship, especially as the lie is clearly causing tension between them. Sonny better not give Will a free pass for all of the lying. If Sonny does that, he will lose the self-respect he has established and he will also be giving Will permission to do whatever he wants in the future. For instance: - Will gets angry about something and punches Sonny. Sonny asks who did that. Will says "Not me" and Sonny says "I know. You'd never lie to me again."
- Will drains Sonny's bank account. Sonny wonders why he can't pay his bills. Will says "I have no idea" and Sonny says "I know. You'd never lie to me again."
- Will cheats on Sonny. Sonny asks Will if he was unfaithful. Will says "No way" and Sonny says "I know. You'd never lie to me again."
Will is going to continue to spit out lie after lie unless Sonny puts his foot down once the truth comes out about the baby. I have no idea how Sonny is going to respond; but he better not let Will walk all over him.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Dec 29, 2012 21:04:56 GMT -5
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Post by bonniegirl on Dec 29, 2012 21:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by pru on Dec 29, 2012 22:36:37 GMT -5
I'm one of those who doesn't see it as Will having cheated on Sonny. I also don't think that Will needed to have said anything to Sonny if Gabi had gone ahead with the abortion or was going to allow the kid to be adopted by strangers. That would have been between Will and Gabi and wouldn't have involved anyone else. But once Nick was in on the secret and he and Gabi were to pretend the child was Nick's and raise it in Salem right under Sonny's nose that changed things because it meant Will was now lying to Sonny as well as everyone else. That is no basis for any kind of relationship, especially as the lie is clearly causing tension between them. Seriously, elliot...where are you getting this from? None of us, from what I've read, think Will cheated on Sonny since they WERE NOT a couple when he did the ugly with Gabi. We're saying it's going to be his continuation of LYING that gets him kicked to the curb. Sonny likes honesty and Will knows this yet he continues to lie. So he will only have himself to blame when Sonny dumps him for being a dumbass.
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Post by superfamous on Dec 29, 2012 22:58:31 GMT -5
I'm one of those who doesn't see it as Will having cheated on Sonny. I also don't think that Will needed to have said anything to Sonny if Gabi had gone ahead with the abortion or was going to allow the kid to be adopted by strangers. That would have been between Will and Gabi and wouldn't have involved anyone else. But once Nick was in on the secret and he and Gabi were to pretend the child was Nick's and raise it in Salem right under Sonny's nose that changed things because it meant Will was now lying to Sonny as well as everyone else. That is no basis for any kind of relationship, especially as the lie is clearly causing tension between them. I don't think it's cheating. But I think he should've told Sonny. He was getting all up in Sonny's business, asking who he's been with. He should've been like, "By the way, I had a disgusting, gratuitous romp with Gabi". It's the lying. Sonny should drop will because of the lying.
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Post by seanny on Dec 30, 2012 1:02:28 GMT -5
I hate the way Will is being portrayed. He is not a victim in all of this. He is ALLOWING this to happen to him so he gets no sympathy from me. He could easily stop it at anytime but chooses not to. ITA. Will's flakiness is the true "villian" in this storyline. I hate that Nick (homophobe) and Gabi's (bitchy and uncaring) characters have been altered to make sure we feel real sorry for poor Will. I sure as hell don't. Thank god Nick stepped up and took control of the situation because Will was and still is going back and forth like a yo-yo. I shudder to think of the depression that Will will sink into when his own kid replaces his drama-queen arse as the center of attention. There's no way that either Will or Sonny are prepared to raise a child. Sonny's already has one to manage already (Will), along with school and a business. WilSon's child would be calling a Kiriakis-employed nanny "Mama" because that's only person who would have time for it. Also, I hope Sonny kicks Will to the curb and speed dials Brian when the whole baby truth is revealed.
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Post by samrik on Dec 30, 2012 2:14:22 GMT -5
I just think the entire "Poor Sonny" thing is exaggerated. Will isn't keeping something from Sonny that is ABOUT Sonny or even effect Sonny if he's not Will's boyfriend. In fact, it only effects Sonny now because Will is miserable and Sonny is worried about him. Sonny is not pregnant, he's not going to be a father, at the end of the day, it really isn't about HIM, it's about Will and his future which Sonny may or may not be a part of. "Breaking up" should be a lost resort and it should only be done once otherwise you're just acting like 12 year olds. Empathy and compassion are part of loving someone. So maybe we as viewers (some of us) who are not in love with Will shouldn't be expected to have empathy or compassion for Will but a man who claims to be in love with Will (really in love with him as Sonny says) is supposed to have empathy and compassion for the man he loves and the situation he is in. If Sonny makes the "secret" more important than the situation then is is no different than Sami. Something is happening TO Will, not TO Sonny. Sonny is being left out of the loop. That's pretty much it. I just really don't get what it is that is so terrible that folks think Will is doing to Sonny besides keeping a promise not to tell Sonny something about himself. Yes, they promised not to keep secrets from each other (which was a stupid thing to promise anyway) but they are BOTH keeping secrets. No matter what happens Will is going to have to deal with having fathered a child with Gabi (whether Sonny sticks around or not). I have always loved Sonny not because he's perfect (he's not, he has a horrible temper and he hates being wrong about anything) but, I've always loved Sonny because he is balanced most of the time and he is his own man, he doesn't let people push him around and he doesn't just do what others want him to do. He accepts himself, faults and all. He's a loyal friend and son/cousin/nephew. If he finds out what has been happening with Will and instead of helping him decides to go all "I can't believe you didn't tell me how dare you, WE ARE THROUGH!" then I say let him go because there is already one Sami, we don't need two. Maybe Chad and Abigail can help Will and Sonny can go hang out with Brian and Eddie In my heart of hearts, I hope not. I think "good story" is subjective. I'm enjoying this story just as it is so I don't have a problem with how it's playing out so far. \ What I feel is that the show has set up Sonny, Chad, Cameron and Abigail to be there for Will (with a side of mama bear Sami). To me that is the bigger picture. It's not really just about Sonny and Will, it's about how this pregnancy will ripple across so many relationships. I think you can be angry with or disappointing in your partner without breaking up with them or abandoning them. I think Will and Abigail will be just as angry with Chad and Sonny for not telling him about what Gabi did to Melanie and I hope they can forgive them and understand and again, show some compassion and be on their side. Also, what exactly is Will supposed to do if Sonny dumps him? Doesn't Will have bigger fish to fry than chasing after his boyfriend of two months? Do folks really feel that Sonny's hurt feelings are more important than what is going on with Will and Gabi and Nick? As someone pointed out, Will hasn't cheated on Sonny or stolen from him or done anything to him or their relationship. I guess none of us saying "Poor Sonny" here or pitying him. Most of us are annoyed and pissed at the way Sonny is being kept in the dark and being treated like someone who doesn't play a part in this entire baby angle. Firstly, Sonny is Will's boyfriend. Sonny is someone who loves Will regardless of all his flaws and mistakes. And Will being a father has a huge and I mean huge impact in his life as well because he is in a committed relationship with Will. It would be wrong to say just because Will is a father Sonny isn't because he is. If Will decides to stay with Sonny and so does Sonny they become parents to the child. Sonny has the right to know of the truth because at this point I just feel Sonny is making his decisions to stay with Will without actually knowing what is going on in his life. If I was in a predicament such as WilSon and I was in Sonny's place, I would have wanted to know when such a thing was going on. It doesn't matter how long I have dated the guy but at present I am with him and since I will be making my life decisions revolving around him I need to know of what is happening in his life as well.
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Post by Pedris2 on Dec 30, 2012 6:30:32 GMT -5
So, Chad will cause problems at the wedding, and Will, apparently out of fear for his child, he says that he is the father of the child. Sonny will be very disappointed that a man, whom he loves so much, it is never honest to him. I hope that Sonny will not be so lenient, and he gives Will it clear that this way, it between them, can not continue. I think Sonny tells Will that he loves him, but he now can not be with him. It takes a break! But, at least the truth is out!
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Post by Melody on Dec 30, 2012 6:47:50 GMT -5
Chad tells everyone about Gabi's involvement in Melanie's kidnapping. Go Chad!
Pedris, like you, I also think, that Will will tells Sonny that he's the father.
Sonny, don't disappoint me, you have to be really pissed. Maybe Sonny will get drunk. Oh, I want to see that so bad ;D
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 30, 2012 7:01:41 GMT -5
Well, the spoilers said that Sonny is horrified with Will's secret, so i don't think he will have a nice reaction.
At least the wedding will be something to watch after months of nonsense. Will is acting like a yo yo, the Will in friday's episode claim his balls back, but it seems that unfortunately it wont last. I think he needs to reach a low to grow up and come clean with all his issues. In my opinion he wasn't remotely ready to have a mature relationship with Sonny, and that's a big part of the problem
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Post by Pedris2 on Dec 30, 2012 7:51:48 GMT -5
Chad tells everyone about Gabi's involvement in Melanie's kidnapping. Go Chad! Pedris, like you, I also think, that Will will tells Sonny that he's the father. Sonny, don't disappoint me, you have to be really pissed. Maybe Sonny will get drunk. Oh, I want to see that so bad ;D It is not clear if the secret of Gabi and Melanie will be out, and moreover, Sonny is horrified, not destroyed, over Will's secret. Horrified can have multiple meanings. And it was said that we fans, will be excited about what happens at the wedding, and that we will like it. This excludes some great little drama between Will and Sonny. I think that Sonny will be disappointed that Will lied to him, but much more will his anger, pointing to Gabi and Nick.
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