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Post by bonniegirl on Dec 28, 2012 12:10:49 GMT -5
@hq75, well said. I totally agree with your post, and I am on Team Will as well!!!
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Post by sonwill on Dec 28, 2012 12:10:57 GMT -5
DaysCafe: Monday Kate tells Will about Nick blowing her off. Will says he does not wanna mess things up for Nick and Gabs DaysCafe: Monday Kate now knows Will knows sthing about Nick DaysCafe: Monday Will just tells Kate that Nick is stepping up for pregnant Gabi DaysCafe: Adrienne goes to coffee house, luvs scarf Wilson gave her,tells Son "Watching you 2 together I cant believe I ever doubted him" DaysCafe: Monday Adrienne sees Sonny bothered about sthing though DaysCafe: Monday Sonny talks to Adrienne about what to do if someone is driving a loved one crazy DaysCafe: Monday Adrienne says one must keep the relationship solid DaysCafe: Monday Eric kicks Sami out (finally!) Gabi wants to tell truth ... Sami now sees Will, says what Gabi said about telling truth! DaysCafe: Monday Gabs gonna tell Father Hunky but then Will texts her she was right and they need to do what is right for baby DaysCafe: Monday Sami is so obnoxious, she was bugging Will to tell her what was going on DaysCafe: Monday Kate runs into Adrienne at K mansion, Adrienne says she was wrong about Will DaysCafe: Monday OMG Sami busts into church, says to Gabi she can help her tell Eric about things happening with Nick so fast lmao DaysCafe: Monday Will watches, shaking head. Gabi tells Sami she will tell DaysCafe: Monday Adrienne thanks Kate for being fierce advocate for Wilson DaysCafe: Monday Gabi says she is more preggers than she told Eric, that's all. DaysCafe: Monday Gabi embarrassed, Sami says to Eric are you proud of yourself, he finally gets her OUT of there DaysCafe: Outside,Sami tells Will that Eric starting to tick her off. Please! Sami did not belong in this scene! Will should have burst in DaysCafe: Monday Sami spies on group in church. Eric says he can marry Nabi, They are happy. Sami tells Will that Nabi lookin happy DaysCafe: Monday Will gonna spend New Year with Son. Asks about Sami ... she has date with EJ, is caught off guard when Will not bothered DaysCafe: Monday Will says he sees not everything black and white now --
Wilson_FTW: Kate asks Will if he trusts Nick Wilson_FTW: Will claims to not want to hurt Gack but Kate thinks Will knows something that can & asks what it is Wilson_FTW: Adrienne tells her son that she can't believe she ever doubted him & Will Wilson_FTW: Will starts to defend Gack & the baby but Kate wants to know why he cares & what's it to him Wilson_FTW: Sonny tells his mom that he doesn't have doubts w/ Will bc he loves him but Adrienne knows something is troubling her son Wilson_FTW: Adrienne asks her son if someone is driving him crazy but Sonny says he can't talk about & she drops it Wilson_FTW: Kate called Nick a smug, arrogant jack-ass LMAO Wilson_FTW: Kate tells Will that at least Gabi isn't lying about who the dad is & isn't using the baby in some sort of tug-of-war Wilson_FTW: Will sends Gabi a txt message in the church saying she was right & they need to do what's right for the baby Wilson_FTW: Sami tells her son that he doesn't have to worry about Gabi & he should just relax & think about Sonny Wilson_FTW: Adrienne tells Kate that #Wilson couldn't have a more fiercer advocate than her Wilson_FTW: Adrienne tells Kate that Will is funny, sweet, & she sees how happy he makes her son
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Post by archeri on Dec 28, 2012 12:13:15 GMT -5
I used to be mad at Will for keeping the secret, but now I feel that Nick and Gabi are bullying him. I do think that Will will be the one to finally reveal it, which makes me feel differently about him too.
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Post by liliane on Dec 28, 2012 12:14:13 GMT -5
Nobody actually knows what Sonny will or won't do. Sonny could just as easily have compassion for Will and understand the pressure he has been under and stand by his man and try to support him and changing his mind about deciding to let Nick and Gabi raise the baby. Or Sonny could decide he is just too mad at Will to care about anything else and drop him like a bad habit. Either of those things COULD happen. But I think given what we know about Sonny and given what Sonny now knows about how manipulative, self serving and selfish BOTH Nick and Gabi are, I think Sonny will take Will's side and he will forgive him for not revealing himself as the and and he will support him. That, to me, is more in keeping with Sonny's personality. His first instinct is to protect and support Will even if he doesn't agree with a decision Will has made (for instance, the entire EJ gloves, murder scenario). I get that there are viewers who hate Will and want him to be punished for not immediately taking on the responsibility of being a father to his kid (even though the "kid" is still gestating) BUT, I think that has nothing to do with what Sonny thinks or will think about Will. Sonny and Chad know more about Gabi and Nick than even Will does. There is no way that anyone with an ounce of compassion could know everything Nick and Gabi have done to Melanie and Chad and not see how easily someone like Will could be guilt-tripped and manipulated into keeping quiet. At the end of the day, Will THINKS he is doing what is best for the baby. It's not just about Sonny. I actually think Will believes that Sonny would understand but now that the lie has been told to the entire town, and Will knows Nick and Gabi wouldn't back him up, he is basically alone no matter what he does (or so he thinks). Will doesn't know how far Nick and Gabi would go to keep their perfect little future plans. His dream just gave him an idea and it scared the bejeezus out of him. All of his flags are going red. To me that is a good sign. I wish folks could get past wanting a character to be perfect, always making the right decision and doing the right thing (which would be boring to me) and appreciate the flaws that make a character human. The truth is, Will loves children, he would make a great dad, even though it wasn't planned, he was prepared to give up his life to take care of his kid and Gabi was having none of it. As long as that baby is inside Gabi, Will can't do a damn thing but be mad and wait. That's the reality. Even if Cameron decided to ignore patient confidentiality and spill that he knows how far along Gabi really is (and give up his career in the process) they would still need proof and they can't get proof until the baby is born. Nick can't leave Salem because he's on parole (the only reason he came back to Salem was because he is mandated to do so) so they can't go anywhere any time soon. I, personally, think Will needs to come to a decision about what he wants to do in his own time and then once he feels strong and solid about it, he can act. But he can't really get there unless he realizes that Gabi and Nick don't give a crap about him or his feelings and they have BOTH now deluded themselves into thinking that this baby is Nick's FOR REALS. I do have compassion for Will. This situation is NOT simple. It was never simple. There is nothing simple about Will and Gabi becoming parents. It is always going to be complicated and any partners they are with will have to be willing to deal with that complexity once the baby is born. Nick has proven himself to be too much of a homophobe (and a sociopath) to deal with the complexity of dating a woman who is having another man's child (even if that man is his cousin). But I think Sonny would deal with it just fine because Sonny is a solid human being. He may have a horrible temper but that is a minor flaw in the grand scheme of things. Sonny was able to manifest a truce between the Dimeras and Kiriakas families. I think Sonny and Chad having Will's back is what will bring Nick and Gabi's evil into the light. And don't even get me started on Abigail. I would LOVE to see the verbal whoop ass she will put on Nick and Gabi once she finds out what they have done to both Melanie and Chad and now Will. For me, this storyline isn't just about Will and whether or not he is a "coward". I don't think giving up your child to what you THINK would be a better life is selfish. I think it's brave (particularly when it so clearly hurts Will to think he won't be a part of his kid's life). I think it's selfish to bring a child into the world that you are not prepared for (Gabi!) and I think it's selfish to think only of your own happiness when it is clear the decisions you are making are making someone else miserable (GABI and NICK). I think Will has gone through so much with his mother and father and their shenanigans with him and his siblings and all the lies and fighting and moving around that he thought it would be better for his kid to have two parents and one home with no "complications". Will is wrong but he doesn't know that yet. Because he's on 19 and he doesn't have the life experience to see differently (as Kate pointed out to him) and he is only viewing "what is best for his kid" by what was hard and painful for him as a kid. But he's thinking and he's learning and I think he's going to come out of this stronger and more confident and less likely to be so easily guilt tripped an manipulated again. So for me, I'm TEAM WILL all the way. ;D ;D ;D you're not the only one, i'm on will side too
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 12:31:28 GMT -5
WOW HQ75. You completely get it and what you said about Will not being selfish but brave, is just what Sonny is going to see. Yes he should have let Sonny know, but he was doing what he thought was right for the baby. Sonny does know how Gabi is and from his convo with Kate, he doesn't have much love for Nick either. People might not like this, but he might feel bad that Will was going through it alone and that he felt that he could go through it. Sonny thinks that this whole mess is about Gabi pulling Will into her drama. He has no clue that its Will drama too.
He was just as sickened watching Nabi smooch at the Horton's. Knowing they were acting that way when Gabi's baby is Will's and not Nick's will make Sonny more angry at them than Will.
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 12:38:03 GMT -5
I used to be mad at Will for keeping the secret, but now I feel that Nick and Gabi are bullying him. I do think that Will will be the one to finally reveal it, which makes me feel differently about him too. I not positive that Will is going to do the reveal, but I agree, him being the one that does it, especially to Sonny is crucial.
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 12:39:27 GMT -5
I'm glad we are finally getting a Sonny/Adrienne talk. It's a shame that Sonny's family has been left out of this. And did I read right? WilSon gave Adrienne a present together? I'm sure Sonny just put Will's name on it, but it's still sweet.
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 12:51:35 GMT -5
Give what is suppose to happen today, Monday's show makes no sense. Unless, it's running into Sami that makes Will change his mind.
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Post by kedred1 on Dec 28, 2012 12:53:05 GMT -5
Most of Sonny's family are recurring players except for His cousins Brady and Abby and his aunts by marriage Maggie and Jennifer and he doesn't see them much.
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Post by LonePirate on Dec 28, 2012 12:54:18 GMT -5
I was the first one to suggest this and I stand by my belief Sonny should have asked Will to join him in the shower. It is no different than a few weeks ago when Will arrived at the coffee house and told Sonny he wanted to be with him. Also, considering Sonny asked Will if he wanted to shower before or after him, it would have been a natural flow of the conversation to ask Will to shower at the same time. What was never going to happen was any actual shower scene being shown on screen, which is perfectly fine by me. Some things can be left to the imagination. The puzzling lack of or reduction in heat from these two guys is becoming the elephant in the room. While I think there is still more passion between them than some people think there is nowadays, there does seem to be less of it than there should be, especially compared to Nick/Gabi and Brady/Kristen. These two guys are on the verge of being neutered and I find that to be incredibly insulting. Once again, you're expecting way too much. Once they got that love scene out of the way and started this baby nonsense, you should've known what was coming. It's expecting too much to want them to have a sensual conversation? If they can't even talk about such things, they have no place being on this show. Personally, I couldn't imagine watching the show with such low expectations. It's no wonder people hate this story.
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 13:00:46 GMT -5
I hope when Will spills his guts to Sonny that we get to know what is going on in his head. Him not being able to talk to anyone and doing 180s all over the place makes it difficult to figure out his motivation for his actions at this point.
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Post by meaghan on Dec 28, 2012 13:24:20 GMT -5
This is random and a very SMALL part of what is being discussed here but 'Team Will' bothers me. Why are we not allowed to be temporarily upset or frustrated with someone without people saying you 'hate' them? All that does is pit the boys against each other. I'm not on a 'team' I just find that so silly and trivial. I just like these characters and sometimes I might be upset with one vs another, as you might be with your own relationships. Sorry. I like Will, I'm sure I'll still like him afterwards but I still fail to see the motivation behind not telling Sonny, so I am frustrated with him right now.
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 13:36:01 GMT -5
To use the words of Chad. "It's clear as mud". I'm faulting the writers right now. I understood Will's motivations at the start, but as he gets to know Nick and see how Gabi is not truly being a friend, it's hard to see why he is still not coming clean. I think his most recent motivation was losing Sonny, but given how understanding he was when he knew most of it, that become blurred.
I think he is okay with Nabi raising the baby, but he just wants assurances that he will be in the baby's life. That's what the godfather stuff seems to be about. That will once again calms his fears. I think a major flaw is that they are letting Will see Nick as not a good person. It seems to me that he should see Nick as a jerk and no matter how Gabi feels about him, he shouldn't want him anywhere near his child. They needed Nick to be a good guy until the point when Gabi brought up the godfather idea. Then Will would see him in all his glory and the decision would be made.
Instead we have Nick calling Will names and threatening him. Will looks weak, without the need for it. I think that's a big mistake on the writers part. He's not doing what he's doing for his child or to keep Sonny, he's doing it, because he doesn't have the guts to stand up to Nick.
Maybe that is to make it easier for Sonny to forgive him. People say that he stood up to EJ, but he really. He tried to blackmail him and EJ turned the tables, until he got the info about him not being a Dimera. Will has always been weak and I hope that after this is over, this Will will be gone for a long time, before they pull him back out.
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Post by sonwill on Dec 28, 2012 14:12:53 GMT -5
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 14:17:19 GMT -5
I guess I see why Will can't tell Kate the Nick is a homophobe, she wouldn't hire him. However, the conversation is kind of weird. Sami is a piece of work and why aren't they having the convo in his office. It would make more sense him being upset that she barged in. I'm not into the Bristen stuff, but I will say that John was so funny, asking Brady to join him and Marlena for NYE and bring his date.
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Post by archeri on Dec 28, 2012 14:31:15 GMT -5
Why doesn't Will ask his mom or grandma for a job? He seems to be just as computer savvy as Nick is. When he and Gabi were deciding about the abortion, money was one of the issues but it doesn't really make sense. When Will worked for EJ he still had time for school, so what is the difference? Will needs to start thinking about these things if he isn't sure that what they are doing is right.
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Post by liliane on Dec 28, 2012 14:32:23 GMT -5
Why doesn't Will ask his mom or grandma for a job? He seems to be just as computer savvy as Nick is. When he and Gabi were deciding about the abortion, money was one of the issues but it doesn't really make sense. When Will worked for EJ he still had time for school, so what is the difference? Will needs to start thinking about these things if he isn't sure that what they are doing is right. i would love to see will working for ej again
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Post by elliot on Dec 28, 2012 14:32:52 GMT -5
I hope when Will spills his guts to Sonny that we get to know what is going on in his head. Him not being able to talk to anyone and doing 180s all over the place makes it difficult to figure out his motivation for his actions at this point. For me that's been one of the biggest weaknesses of this SL, Will not attempting to talk to anyone about what's going on. For crying out loud he has a fantastic relationship with Marlena who he knows never judges him and always keeps his confidence, yet not once has it crossed his mind to confide in her or ask for her advice? Heck he could even use the confessional to spill all to Father Eric safe in knowledge it would go no further so his continued slience makes no real sense.
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 28, 2012 14:44:34 GMT -5
In my opinion the normal reaction of a twenty something gay guy in a relationship with his boyfriend for a couple of months after knowing his boyfriend is going to be father and he lies to him for quite some time about that is dropping him like a stone. As simple as that. And sorry, but that's not being selfish at all, is being smart, because the fact that your boyfriend slept with his ex because he was upset is a big big red sign, and the fact that he decides not to tell you the truth is not a good sing either, and the fact that he has no balls to defend what he thinks is better for the child and not assume his responsability is not a good sign either.
And i'm pretty sure Sonny will dump Will, in fact, if he doesn't do it it will be totally out of character, because Sonny has hot temper, and he break up with Will after Will asked him for his sex life. And he reacted really really bad after their first kiss and Will rejected him (that doesn't make any sense at all, because it was supposed that Will had feelings for Sonny back then, but of course they need a lame excuse to start this awful storyline). So in my opinion Sonny will react very bad, first because i don't think he will like the fact that his boyfriend slept with a girl months after coming out, second because that girl is Gabi and he can't stand her and third because Will lied to him for quite some time.
I think more sooner than later he will forgive Will and support him, but at first he will react bad. And i hope he will react bad, because if he is all comprehensive a supporting Will from minute one that only means that Sonny has no other purpose in the show that being Will's doormat
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 14:44:34 GMT -5
I hope when Will spills his guts to Sonny that we get to know what is going on in his head. Him not being able to talk to anyone and doing 180s all over the place makes it difficult to figure out his motivation for his actions at this point. For me that's been one of the biggest weaknesses of this SL, Will not attempting to talk to anyone about what's going on. For crying out loud he has a fantastic relationship with Marlena who he knows never judges him and always keeps his confidence, yet not once has it crossed his mind to confide in her or ask for her advice? Heck he could even use the confessional to spill all to Father Eric safe in knowledge it would go no further so his continued slience makes no real sense. Exactly, instead we have Gabi almost confessing and him stopping her. I will say that I like what he said to Gabi in the today's eppy. We do get a glimpse of where is head is at, but then Monday it seems like he's going to do an about face and we are once again scratching our heads.
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Post by sonwill on Dec 28, 2012 14:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 14:51:22 GMT -5
In my opinion the normal reaction of a twenty something gay guy in a relationship with his boyfriend for a couple of months after knowing his boyfriend is going to be father and he lies to him for quite some time about that is dropping him like a stone. As simple as that. And sorry, but that's not being selfish at all, is being smart, because the fact that your boyfriend slept with his ex because he was upset is a big big red sign, and the fact that he decides not to tell you the truth is not a good sing either, and the fact that he has no balls to defend what he thinks is better for the child and not assume his responsability is not a good sign either. And i'm pretty sure Sonny will dump Will, in fact, if he doesn't do it it will be totally out of character, because Sonny has hot temper, and he break up with Will after Will asked him for his sex life. And he reacted really really bad after their first kiss and Will rejected him (that doesn't make any sense at all, because it was supposed that Will had feelings for Sonny back then, but of course they need a lame excuse to start this awful storyline). So in my opinion Sonny will react very bad, first because i don't think he will like the fact that his boyfriend slept with a girl months after coming out, second because that girl is Gabi and he can't stand her and third because Will lied to him for quite some time. I think more sooner than later he will forgive Will and support him, but at first he will react bad. And i hope he will react bad, because if he is all comprehensive a supporting Will from minute one that only means that Sonny has no other purpose in the show that being Will's doormat I think that depends on whether Sonny hears about it from someone at the wedding or if Will tells him. Adrienne is going to give Sonny some important advice. When someone is tearing apart the one that you love, you stick by him. So I think that Sonny is going to realize that Will has been going through this because of Gabi, who has done something terrible to Melanie, to get what she wants and Nick, who is an ass. As I said before, he saw how happy they were at Christmas and them being that way, when his boyfriend is having nightmares will quickly explain the lasat few months to him. I think his mom will be mad for a hot second too, if she shows back up, but I think that Justin will bring her in line since he knows about Nick/Gabi.
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Post by elliot on Dec 28, 2012 15:06:38 GMT -5
I would prefer to see Sonny dump Will for a while at least and for Will to know it happened not because of the baby but as a consequence of his lies and lack of trust. Sonny asked Will to be honest with him but instead Will has behaved as if Nick and Gabi's needs are more important and that, unlike Nick who has stood by Gabi, he can't rely on Sonny to do the same. That more than anything should make it impossible for Sonny to just brush the whole thing off, especially as Will has no real reason to believe he'd just up and turn his back on him because of a stupid mistake. Surely if Sonny was the kind of person who'd chuck their partner over for something that happened before they got together and during a fit of madness, Will would better off without him. If Sonny immediately forgives Will, and worse makes excuses for his behaviour by blaming his inability to tell the truth on Nick and Gabi, it makes a nonsense of their relationship being this great thing that their friends and family are so invested in keeping going.
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Post by archeri on Dec 28, 2012 15:13:17 GMT -5
I want Sonny to take a breather from Will also, after the truth comes out. Just to sort things out in his head. Will will have his whole family around him to support him. He won't be alone. Sonny could still be there as his friend though. I just don't want Sonny to be a pushover in this situation.
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 15:18:03 GMT -5
That might be true, but what seems to happen Monday puts it in his head, that is what you do when you love someone.
I have no problem with Sonny getting mad. He should, but it just doesn't seem like they are setting him up to do that. He has gotten mad at Will 3 times now and has been miserable each time. He loves Will with his whole heart and he wants this to work. As I said, I think how things go, will depend on if Will after fighting with Nick, goes and tells Sonny, or if he backs off again and Chad or someone else lets it out.
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