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Post by nina87 on Jan 11, 2015 12:01:43 GMT -5
I agree that Will being the person Paul gets into bed with is an excellent twist, although there should have been more of a buildup, maybe a big blowout with Sonny beforehand, or at least some alcohol! It's easy to see why Will would be attracted to Paul, but for him to throw away his wedding vows for a roll in the hay with a man he barely knows, after all the time he spent berating his own mother for the same thing, is a stretch. I concur that Will got married too soon, and he should have "played the field" more widely - the entire breadth of his gay experience has been with Sonny, except for that one kiss he shared with Neil (which I considered hotter than any subsequent kiss he shared with Sonny!). Having Will settle down so quickly with husband and child was almost certainly a recipe for disaster, so I'm glad they're exploring that instead of keeping WilSon as the perfect "old married couple". I'm disappointed by the hate Guy Wilson is getting for this story, because IMO he is actually giving his best performance since the wedding last year and this story is actually making WilSon interesting. Some of the nastiness is definitely uncalled for, but not unexpected - it is the same pattern as with Ryan Hawley, right down to the "doughboy" comments. (Seriously...) Are they calling GW "doughboy" because they're implying he's overweight? I saw that on another forum, and I didn't quite understand it. This is why I was worried about Will being the one to cheat, but GW said he expects audience reaction to Will to be 'scalding'. I agree that his performance has improved and he is getting praise for his enthusiasm for the love scenes too.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 11, 2015 16:15:31 GMT -5
I agree that Will being the person Paul gets into bed with is an excellent twist, although there should have been more of a buildup, maybe a big blowout with Sonny beforehand, or at least some alcohol! It's easy to see why Will would be attracted to Paul, but for him to throw away his wedding vows for a roll in the hay with a man he barely knows, after all the time he spent berating his own mother for the same thing, is a stretch. I concur that Will got married too soon, and he should have "played the field" more widely - the entire breadth of his gay experience has been with Sonny, except for that one kiss he shared with Neil (which I considered hotter than any subsequent kiss he shared with Sonny!). Having Will settle down so quickly with husband and child was almost certainly a recipe for disaster, so I'm glad they're exploring that instead of keeping WilSon as the perfect "old married couple". I'm disappointed by the hate Guy Wilson is getting for this story, because IMO he is actually giving his best performance since the wedding last year and this story is actually making WilSon interesting. Some of the nastiness is definitely uncalled for, but not unexpected - it is the same pattern as with Ryan Hawley, right down to the "doughboy" comments. (Seriously...) Sadly, I think most of hate has been amped up due to the fantasy of WilSon and their "perfect gay role model" pairing being treated in the same way as any other straight pairing on any soap. Will, Sonny, Freddie Smith and Chandler Massey have been put into this truly unnecessary and not at all fair position of needing to be these role models for gay characters and a segment of the audience that is so needy/desperate to have something onscreen, that represents to them, that "Yes! Men, who also happen to be gay DO want to find someone, be monogamous, get married and have children, just like supposedly every straight male and female does in the world!" Just like how Guy Wilson is the whipping boy for all the "Real WilSon Fans" still bitching about CM not being in the role anymore. Reality shouldn't apply when it comes to soap operas. Especially a soap in which Marlena was possessed by the devil.
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Post by jjose712 on Jan 12, 2015 6:23:18 GMT -5
To be honest, i'm liking the storyline more than i expected. And it's curious that Paul seemed more guilty about sleeping with Will after watching Sonny than Will himself.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 13, 2015 1:28:52 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Jan 13, 2015 20:40:18 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! I never understand why people feel the need to interject their own stuff first when their S.O. says "there is something that I need to tell you." Damnit, Sonny . But damn, Will's priorities are still all fucked up. He was in the middle of an important conversation and yet again decided to take a phone call that he really didn't need to. Will has some gall saying that he had to, and trying to turn it around on Sonny (especially considering he just cheated). He just keeps telling Sonny (via his actions) that their marriage isn't important enough. That scene gave me a nasty thought. I wonder how much Sonny will end up blaming himself once the shit hits the fan. He seems somewhat more self-aware about his role in things than does Will. I just hope he doesn't try to take more of the blame than he should (he isn't innocent but IMO Will has fucked up much more than he), thereby enabling Will to keep behaving badly. What Sonny told Paul is a huge anvil, that honesty is a deal-breaker for him. When everything gets revealed, I'm not sure Sonny will ever be able to forgive it. I don't want to see Sonny crushed, but I want Will to actually see the pain he's causing the guy he loves; he doesn't seem to have enough self-awareness right now. I kind of get why Sonny turned down Victor's offer. Though Victor had two points: he is letting his pride get in the way, and he isn't doing it "on his own" when he's getting lots of funding from Chad. They went to the effort of showing the new club, so I wonder if that's going to be a regular set. I also wonder if Rafe will turn around and accept the job. That should make things interesting.
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Post by Pedris2 on Jan 17, 2015 8:58:23 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 17, 2015 12:08:53 GMT -5
I had to fix it so here is the new coopy
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 17, 2015 12:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Jan 17, 2015 15:22:43 GMT -5
I would love if Sonny stops being so dumb and stubborn, and i'm glad Victor is not listening him. What i don't understand is what Chad has against him, because Sonny was always good to him
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 19, 2015 19:25:16 GMT -5
01-19-15 Will and Paul
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Post by Zathras on Jan 19, 2015 22:13:27 GMT -5
I'm a bit disturbed by how nonchalant Will is about the fact that he cheated. Same with Paul when he realized it. Paul was right. Will says he found the guy he was meant to be with, but he didn't turn Paul down or try to stop it. Not sure I like where that's leading.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 20, 2015 16:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by capricious on Jan 20, 2015 20:13:50 GMT -5
Wait, let me get this straight.. Will cheats on Sonny with Paul twice?
He is his mother's son after all, but then, Sammy never cheated on Austin,Lucas or EJ whom she once called the "love of her life" but Will does it on Sonny with a random stranger. I guess he doesn't understand that ONS are called that for a reason, it only happens ONCE.
And just speculation from the convo between Paul and his mother, is Paul the illegitimate son of a Salemite? Usually when the mother says she can't come to a town its because she had an affair with one of town's more prominent members, and considering she has a child, in Soapland that spells paternity testing, and children finding out, as they say in my country "ya daddy ain ya daddy ba ya pa don no" (in plain English, your father is not your father, but your father doesn't know.)
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Post by Zathras on Jan 20, 2015 20:17:22 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit!
Well, at least Will stopped before it went any further. That's progress. I did find it interesting that they gave Will some of the motivations that some of you have mentioned (at least as far as what he told Paul about why they had sex).
I wasn't thrilled with Paul's attitude the last couple of days. Even after he knew Will was in a long-term relationship, he still threw himself at Will. In particular: when Will said "what we're doing is wrong," Paul replied "I wish you would have thought of that 10 minutes ago." WTF. I hope this isn't a sign of a permanent personality trait.
Sonny is overreacting. One slow day does not mean Club TBD is going to fail. I don't get why he said that. I feel like I'm missing something with Sonny's actions over the last couple of months. He's become really obsessed with his business, and really proud (no help from Victor!), but it all feels to me like it came out of left field.
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Post by Pedris2 on Jan 21, 2015 5:11:12 GMT -5
Well, Paul knows how to seduce men! I think for now, it between Paul and Will it will just friendship, before the truth comes to light. However, it is possible that Paul and Will be back together, if things turn out differently than they want, it's just soap. And yes, Paul and Will were hot together, but chemistry between Paul and Sonny is amazingly fascinating! And Paul's mom definitely hiding something, why else would she be afraid to go to Salem?
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Post by teachgirl on Jan 21, 2015 8:10:18 GMT -5
Wait, let me get this straight.. Will cheats on Sonny with Paul twice? He is his mother's son after all, but then, Sammy never cheated on Austin,Lucas or EJ whom she once called the "love of her life" but Will does it on Sonny with a random stranger. I guess he doesn't understand that ONS are called that for a reason, it only happens ONCE. And just speculation from the convo between Paul and his mother, is Paul the illegitimate son of a Salemite? Usually when the mother says she can't come to a town its because she had an affair with one of town's more prominent members, and considering she has a child, in Soapland that spells paternity testing, and children finding out, as they say in my country "ya daddy ain ya daddy ba ya pa don no" (in plain English, your father is not your father, but your father doesn't know.) Yes, it seemed pretty obvious that we have a "who's the daddy" storyline coming up. Maybe they'll surprise us and she's troubled for some other reason, but probably not. I think we can eliminate Lucas and Justin as possibilities, since this is an American soap and not VL. Also, Lucas was a teenager when Will was conceived, so if Paul is older than Will, he'd have to have been about 13, so no. I've seen some speculation that it might be John. That would make Paul Marlena's stepson, Will's step-uncle, and Brady's half-brother by another mother and therefore the brother of Sonny's second cousin, or something, but luckily not blood-related to either Will or Sonny. Then again, if he's Rafe's kid, that would make him Arianna's cousin .... The mind boggles. Also, there was that throw away scene where Paul was pretty rude to John when John recognized him. I wonder if that has any significance? I really hope he's not another spawn of Stephano, although his good looks, charm and emotional manipulativeness certainly remind one of EJ or Chad.
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Post by teachgirl on Jan 21, 2015 8:38:10 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! Well, at least Will stopped before it went any further. That's progress. I did find it interesting that they gave Will some of the motivations that some of you have mentioned (at least as far as what he told Paul about why they had sex). I wasn't thrilled with Paul's attitude the last couple of days. Even after he knew Will was in a long-term relationship, he still threw himself at Will. In particular: when Will said "what we're doing is wrong," Paul replied "I wish you would have thought of that 10 minutes ago." WTF. I hope this isn't a sign of a permanent personality trait. Sonny is overreacting. One slow day does not mean Club TBD is going to fail. I don't get why he said that. I feel like I'm missing something with Sonny's actions over the last couple of months. He's become really obsessed with his business, and really proud (no help from Victor!), but it all feels to me like it came out of left field. I actually think Sonny's been building up to this blowup for some time. I'm wondering if Sonny's ever really failed at anything before. When he started CG and then opened TBD, his future looked bright and his personal life wasn't a mess. I don't think he's looking at his business realistically anymore, but through the lens of himself as a failure -- it's like he's taken on Will's personality traits. I think he didn't accept the club from Victor because it wasn't like asking Victor for a loan at the beginning, when he was still positive about the new business, or even about having Victor as an investor. Victor didn't say that he wanted to be partners with Sonny, or for Sonny to pay him back. He simply wanted to drop it in his lap. Victor doesn't normally do that, and maybe if Sonny had been in a different frame of mind he would have let Victor get around to mentioning something like that, but what he heard in that moment was Victor offering him a ready-made club and an offer to, in a sense, work for him, just the way that Rafe now is. And yes, Will is right that Sonny shouldn't be so proud when they are broke, but at the time Sonny thought he'd still be making money from TBD. The spoilers were really off when they said that Will and Sonny would have a spat. That was really Sonny blowing up and being angry at himself and Will actually being a bit comforting and concerned for him (partly out of guilt to be sure, but still nice to see, especially him acually touching Sonny). It was interesting to see Sonny refusing to talk and be comforted when Will is finally offering it, something he's been longing for for months. It's like he's given up.
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Post by talula on Jan 21, 2015 8:59:58 GMT -5
Wait, let me get this straight.. Will cheats on Sonny with Paul twice? He is his mother's son after all, but then, Sammy never cheated on Austin,Lucas or EJ whom she once called the "love of her life" but Will does it on Sonny with a random stranger. I guess he doesn't understand that ONS are called that for a reason, it only happens ONCE. And just speculation from the convo between Paul and his mother, is Paul the illegitimate son of a Salemite? Usually when the mother says she can't come to a town its because she had an affair with one of town's more prominent members, and considering she has a child, in Soapland that spells paternity testing, and children finding out, as they say in my country "ya daddy ain ya daddy ba ya pa don no" (in plain English, your father is not your father, but your father doesn't know.) Yes, it seemed pretty obvious that we have a "who's the daddy" storyline coming up. Maybe they'll surprise us and she's troubled for some other reason, but probably not. I think we can eliminate Lucas and Justin as possibilities, since this is an American soap and not VL. Also, Lucas was a teenager when Will was conceived, so if Paul is older than Will, he'd have to have been about 13, so no. I've seen some speculation that it might be John. That would make Paul Marlena's stepson, Will's step-uncle, and Brady's half-brother by another mother and therefore the brother of Sonny's second cousin, or something, but luckily not blood-related to either Will or Sonny. Then again, if he's Rafe's kid, that would make him Arianna's cousin .... The mind boggles. Also, there was that throw away scene where Paul was pretty rude to John when John recognized him. I wonder if that has any significance? I really hope he's not another spawn of Stephano, although his good looks, charm and emotional manipulativeness certainly remind one of EJ or Chad. i think Paul is John' son, it would explains random scene when Paul bumped on Marlena and John and their recent involvement in WilSon plot
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 21, 2015 18:17:08 GMT -5
Yes, it seemed pretty obvious that we have a "who's the daddy" storyline coming up. Maybe they'll surprise us and she's troubled for some other reason, but probably not. I think we can eliminate Lucas and Justin as possibilities, since this is an American soap and not VL. Also, Lucas was a teenager when Will was conceived, so if Paul is older than Will, he'd have to have been about 13, so no. I've seen some speculation that it might be John. That would make Paul Marlena's stepson, Will's step-uncle, and Brady's half-brother by another mother and therefore the brother of Sonny's second cousin, or something, but luckily not blood-related to either Will or Sonny. Then again, if he's Rafe's kid, that would make him Arianna's cousin .... The mind boggles. Also, there was that throw away scene where Paul was pretty rude to John when John recognized him. I wonder if that has any significance? I really hope he's not another spawn of Stephano, although his good looks, charm and emotional manipulativeness certainly remind one of EJ or Chad. i think Paul is John' son, it would explains random scene when Paul bumped on Marlena and John and their recent involvement in WilSon plotOh yeah. John's definitely the right age to be Paul's father AND no biological connection to Will or Sonny. Wait..Isn't Brady Black a cousin to Will or something?
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Post by justinate on Jan 21, 2015 19:33:11 GMT -5
i think Paul is John' son, it would explains random scene when Paul bumped on Marlena and John and their recent involvement in WilSon plot Oh yeah. John's definitely the right age to be Paul's father AND no biological connection to Will or Sonny. Wait..Isn't Brady Black a cousin to Will or something? No, John is not related to Will anymore, originally they thought he was the son of Will's great-grandfather's sister by Stefano's father. But to facilitate the Theresa-Brady affair they decided to say John wasn't that child (which had died). John's son Brady is Sonny's cousin, but that's through Brady's mother (Victor's late daughter) and not through John.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 22, 2015 7:14:17 GMT -5
Oh yeah. John's definitely the right age to be Paul's father AND no biological connection to Will or Sonny. Wait..Isn't Brady Black a cousin to Will or something? No, John is not related to Will anymore, originally they thought he was the son of Will's great-grandfather's sister by Stefano's father. But to facilitate the Theresa-Brady affair they decided to say John wasn't that child (which had died). John's son Brady is Sonny's cousin, but that's through Brady's mother (Victor's late daughter) and not through John. Thanks for the explanation, Justinate.
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Post by teachgirl on Jan 22, 2015 7:27:14 GMT -5
Oh yeah. John's definitely the right age to be Paul's father AND no biological connection to Will or Sonny. Wait..Isn't Brady Black a cousin to Will or something? No, John is not related to Will anymore, originally they thought he was the son of Will's great-grandfather's sister by Stefano's father. But to facilitate the Theresa-Brady affair they decided to say John wasn't that child (which had died). John's son Brady is Sonny's cousin, but that's through Brady's mother (Victor's late daughter) and not through John. I hadn't realized that they'd switched John's parentage yet again. I always liked that he was still related to the Brady's even after he found out he wasn't Roman. So now his parentage is unknown once again, which means Paul's would be, too, if he were to be John's son. So he could still turn out to be related to Sonny or Will, LOL.
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Post by Trish on Jan 22, 2015 9:14:26 GMT -5
Paul being John's kid would be a missed opportunity to follow history. Marlena had a DiMera change her life and Sami did as well. Paul being a DiMera would continue that trend. A DiMera has caused trouble in Will's marriage.
It would also mess up Chad's plan to take over the organization. Stefano would want to pull Paul into the family fold. John is a nice guy. No one would care if he had an adult son. It might cause a little trouble with him and Marlena, but nothing significant. I can see Paul's mom trying to claim that he's John's, but in the end him being a DiMera would make for more future story and affect more lives.
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Post by anthonyl on Jan 22, 2015 10:14:00 GMT -5
I think the show will tease that it's Lucas and/or John, but eventually it'll be Stefano, which is kinda tired, but creates the most drama. With Stefano due to show up in Salem in the near future, my guess is the reveal will happen then.
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Post by justinate on Jan 22, 2015 10:46:22 GMT -5
I presume they won't put forward Lucas as one of Paul's possible dads, not after he slept with Will who would be his half-brother! Shameless (original version) might have done it but not Days. They even retconned John's parentage just so Theresa and Brady could sleep together - and they would only have been second cousins had they let John's Brady-DiMera parentage stand.
I would love to see Stefano and Chad deal with Paul, although I agree the old fella has fathered way too many kids as it is. But John is frankly not at all compelling and there is zero drama in him being Paul's dad - who would care?
Or maybe - just maybe - they'll outwit us and have Paul's dad be a genuinely random guy. How's that for a change? Instead of having every single person on the show related to someone else and continuing the tradition of long-lost love children coming out of the woodwork.
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