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Post by talula on Jan 8, 2015 18:12:28 GMT -5
i'm mad and sad , they took all the fun and juice stuff from Sonny again,Will is lucky bastard has Paul in bed , and Sonny still has his halo , damn it! though i have to recognize that bed scene was hot as hell, still hate it, lol
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Post by Zathras on Jan 8, 2015 21:16:40 GMT -5
Well ... that's one way to answer the question of whether you're gay. Sigh. A small part of me held out hope that the spoilers didn't mean what they suggested. I still think it would have made much more sense for Sonny to cheat with Paul. Beyond Paul being sexy, I don't know why Will did it. Maybe there wasn't more to it than that . I am disturbed that Will didn't seem to feel more guilty about it. I hope that is still to come, but to be honest I'm not holding my breath. Whenever Sonny finds out, he's going to flip. He may not be the best guy or husband in the world, but he didn't deserve Will cheating on him with his ex. But can you imagine what will happen when Adrienne finds out? So ... any guesses on whether it happens again?
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 9, 2015 1:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 9, 2015 1:02:05 GMT -5
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 4:47:05 GMT -5
What a difference DAYS takes in actually allowing their gay characters to be just as messy in their relationships/marriages as their straight counterparts?!
I wish that it was Sonny doing the horizontal bed tango with Paul, but I'm not mad that Will fell into another man's bed: His current husband's ex lover's bed.
This is too damn soapy and delicious and about time for the audience to see for these characters. Including the ones that do support Will, Sonny and their marriage.
This is what I've wanted to see AND I know that Guy, Freddie and Christopher are all capable in being able to portray the drama.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 5:00:38 GMT -5
So my Will cheated. I expected it, but I wish it wasn't with Sonny's ex because of the PaulSon thing. Still it is very soapy and DOOL needs to be congratulated for doing what no soap has done for a gay pairing: treat the characters equally. They didn't shy away from closing all the sides of this triangle by making it so everyone slept with everyone else. Still on TeamWill because we all make mistakes, but Sonny will be devastated. Will is actually the bad cop here because Paul thinks he is single. I was surprised that he went for round two and didn't seem all that guilty, but I expect it will be forthcoming. Will reminds me of Nicole, always sabotaging her own happiness by not thinking before she acts. Ding Ding Ding..... I think Will fell into temptation and into Paul's bed for the lone reason of sex. Paul's an attractive and sexually desirable man, who also comes across as a decent man. Will has never been (or allowed himself to be with) anyone else but Sonny. Even when that guy kissed him, Will kept himself in check regarding his true desire for the guy. I'm not excusing his behavior, but Will has never allowed himself to just be able to experience being a single gay man, before getting involved in a relationship and becoming a father AND husband. Poor Sonny.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 6:11:59 GMT -5
I was ALWAYS on Adrienne's side, regarding her initial and hard doubts about Will and Sonny. She was right. Thanks for posting the clip, MrFixit477.
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Post by nina87 on Jan 9, 2015 6:32:33 GMT -5
I was ALWAYS on Adrienne's side, regarding her initial and hard doubts about Will and Sonny. She was right. Thanks for posting the clip, MrFixit477. Yes, Adrienne was right, but for me she wasn't right about Will not being good enough, she was right about the rush to the altar. Everything you said about Will and his inexperience is spot on. The other day, you and I spoke about Will's commitment not ever having been tested. I was initially against Will sleeping with Paul, but reading the interviews and seeing where it was built from, has made me understand it better. At Day of Days, Guy said this story is about Will and Sonny and how they deal with maintaining their integrity as a married couple. Sonny is being tested with a past lover and Will is being tested by the prospect of being with someone new. The fact that the writers made it the same dude is just soapy.
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Post by teachgirl on Jan 9, 2015 7:31:09 GMT -5
I think Will fell into temptation and into Paul's bed for the lone reason of sex. Paul's an attractive and sexually desirable man, who also comes across as a decent man. Will has never been (or allowed himself to be with) anyone else but Sonny. Even when that guy kissed him, Will kept himself in check regarding his true desire for the guy. I'm not excusing his behavior, but Will has never allowed himself to just be able to experience being a single gay man, before getting involved in a relationship and becoming a father AND husband. Poor Sonny. I have been thinking a lot about Will's motivations, and also why he didn't seem to feel more guilty right afterwards, as many people have commented on. I think you are right that it was about sex, but I also think Will felt, every time he entered that room, that he was playing a role, a new character. He felt that he was playing the role of competent, professional journalist (something that underneath it all he doubts that he really is) with no messy emotional or personal baggage. Removing the ring only reinforced the illusion. And Paul, for all his toying with him, treats him as an equal. He asked specifically for Will based on his professional work. In contrast, in one of their recent fights, Will accused Sonny of treating him like a child. That's also why he asked Kate, rather than Sonny or even Marlena, for advice on the article. He knew she would react to the work rather anything else. This to me is why, although he apparently felt slightly guilty, as Paul noticed, he was able to push it away. He was in that room, that other world, playing that role. I am very interested to see what happens once he leaves that room for the real world. All that said: Will, you jerk. There had better be a hell of a redemption story coming up for you.
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Post by nina87 on Jan 9, 2015 7:31:50 GMT -5
So my Will cheated. I expected it, but I wish it wasn't with Sonny's ex because of the PaulSon thing. Still it is very soapy and DOOL needs to be congratulated for doing what no soap has done for a gay pairing: treat the characters equally. They didn't shy away from closing all the sides of this triangle by making it so everyone slept with everyone else. Still on TeamWill because we all make mistakes, but Sonny will be devastated. Will is actually the bad cop here because Paul thinks he is single. I was surprised that he went for round two and didn't seem all that guilty, but I expect it will be forthcoming. Will reminds me of Nicole, always sabotaging her own happiness by not thinking before she acts. Ding Ding Ding..... I think Will fell into temptation and into Paul's bed for the lone reason of sex. Paul's an attractive and sexually desirable man, who also comes across as a decent man. Will has never been (or allowed himself to be with) anyone else but Sonny. Even when that guy kissed him, Will kept himself in check regarding his true desire for the guy. I'm not excusing his behavior, but Will has never allowed himself to just be able to experience being a single gay man, before getting involved in a relationship and becoming a father AND husband. Poor Sonny. The main thing I would like to see Will do is work on his insecurities and his low self-esteem. Maybe a break from Sonny would not be a bad thing. Constantly worrying about being good enough or being boring is not healthy. Will is insecure about his personal life and his career. By asking for him specifically, Paul gave him the validation he has been seeking so desperately. Sonny treating Will like a child is not helping and minimizing his contributions to their finances also did not help his self-esteem. I've often thought that it must be hard work for Sonny to be married to someone who needs constant reassurance. I think Will was attracted to Sonny because he's everything Will isn't, but maybe Will made a mistake marrying someone who brings out his insecurities. It's not Sonny's fault, but we're constantly told how perfect Sonny is and before all this club stuff he used to succeed at everything he did. When the article thing happened, I remarked that it would be interesting if the show explored Will being jealous of his own husband. Sometimes it feels like Will is competing with Sonny and gets frustrated when he comes up short.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 7:49:44 GMT -5
Ding Ding Ding..... I think Will fell into temptation and into Paul's bed for the lone reason of sex. Paul's an attractive and sexually desirable man, who also comes across as a decent man. Will has never been (or allowed himself to be with) anyone else but Sonny. Even when that guy kissed him, Will kept himself in check regarding his true desire for the guy. I'm not excusing his behavior, but Will has never allowed himself to just be able to experience being a single gay man, before getting involved in a relationship and becoming a father AND husband. Poor Sonny. The main thing I would like to see Will do is work on his insecurities and his low self-esteem. Maybe a break from Sonny would not be a bad thing. Constantly worrying about being good enough or being boring is not healthy.Agreed and it's also not healthy for Sonny to be in the roll of being Will's constant cheerleader. I really do think that Will and Sonny got married way too soon and I think they need to be separated for awhile. When I watched the scene of Sonny going through his "wishbox", looking at his wishes from years past, he had a wish of making Will fall in love with him in 2012. He was involved and in love with Paul for over a year. How long had it been from the time that he ended things with him, to meeting Will? Maybe Will has been the rebound relationship, that Sonny needed to be in, so that he could try and get over Paul? Think about it: Sonny has been so focused on getting/keeping Will in his life, that he forgave him for things that should have given him pause a long time ago.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 8:03:03 GMT -5
Ding Ding Ding..... I think Will fell into temptation and into Paul's bed for the lone reason of sex. Paul's an attractive and sexually desirable man, who also comes across as a decent man. Will has never been (or allowed himself to be with) anyone else but Sonny. Even when that guy kissed him, Will kept himself in check regarding his true desire for the guy. I'm not excusing his behavior, but Will has never allowed himself to just be able to experience being a single gay man, before getting involved in a relationship and becoming a father AND husband. Poor Sonny. The main thing I would like to see Will do is work on his insecurities and his low self-esteem. Maybe a break from Sonny would not be a bad thing. Constantly worrying about being good enough or being boring is not healthy. Will is insecure about his personal life and his career. By asking for him specifically, Paul gave him the validation he has been seeking so desperately. Sonny treating Will like a child is not helping and minimizing his contributions to their finances also did not help his self-esteem.I've often thought that it must be hard work for Sonny to be married to someone who needs constant reassurance. I think Will was attracted to Sonny because he's everything Will isn't, but maybe Will made a mistake marrying someone who brings out his insecurities. It's not Sonny's fault, but we're constantly told how perfect Sonny is and before all this club stuff he used to succeed at everything he did. When the article thing happened, I remarked that it would be interesting if the show explored Will being jealous of his own husband. Sometimes it feels like Will is competing with Sonny and gets frustrated when he comes up short. Wait a minute: Sonny has never consciously treated Will like a child. Sonny has had to constantly build up Will's self-esteem, be his cheerleader and let him know that he's loved and supported all the time. Yes, he shouldn't have belittled Will's financial contributions to their marriage, but Will has only had a job for less than a year. Sonny has also never boasted about being "perfect". That's a role that he has been put in by his husband and the audience, because he's never ever been allowed to have moments, in which he loses his cool about things. The minute that he does lose his cool, his behavior is instantly called on as being wrong. I do think that Will is in a competition with his husband, but Sonny doesn't know it.
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Post by nina87 on Jan 9, 2015 9:04:21 GMT -5
The main thing I would like to see Will do is work on his insecurities and his low self-esteem. Maybe a break from Sonny would not be a bad thing. Constantly worrying about being good enough or being boring is not healthy. Will is insecure about his personal life and his career. By asking for him specifically, Paul gave him the validation he has been seeking so desperately. Sonny treating Will like a child is not helping and minimizing his contributions to their finances also did not help his self-esteem.I've often thought that it must be hard work for Sonny to be married to someone who needs constant reassurance. I think Will was attracted to Sonny because he's everything Will isn't, but maybe Will made a mistake marrying someone who brings out his insecurities. It's not Sonny's fault, but we're constantly told how perfect Sonny is and before all this club stuff he used to succeed at everything he did. When the article thing happened, I remarked that it would be interesting if the show explored Will being jealous of his own husband. Sometimes it feels like Will is competing with Sonny and gets frustrated when he comes up short. Wait a minute: Sonny has never consciously treated Will like a child. Sonny has had to constantly build up Will's self-esteem, be his cheerleader and let him know that he's loved and supported all the time. Yes, he shouldn't have belittled Will's financial contributions to their marriage, but Will has only had a job for less than a year. Sonny has also never boasted about being "perfect". That's a role that he has been put in by his husband and the audience, because he's never ever been allowed to have moments, in which he loses his cool about things. The minute that he does lose his cool, his behavior is instantly called on as being wrong. I do think that Will is in a competition with his husband, but Sonny doesn't know it. That's the thing. Sonny is not doing anything wrong and he doesn't know about the dynamic he is in. These are all Will's issues. Will chooses to see Sonny as perfect because that's what other character's say and what the writers present onscreen. This has been the first time we have seen Sonny be flawed and that is a good thing. Victor has called Sonny out for acting like Will is his child rather than his husband, so I do think that while not intentional on Sonny's part, that does come across in their dynamic. I've said before that this mentor/mentee thing that they had going on when they were dating feels like it has spilled over into the marriage. Will needs to learn how to stand on his own two feet. Sonny needs a partner and having to play cheerleader for someone is exhausting, especially when you also need support yourself. Honestly, if Paul had to come out of the closet tomorrow, he and Sonny could just pick up where they left off with no baggage. Looking at your previous post I have also wondered about Sonny's motives for getting together with Will. For a while there, it seemed like Sonny was so in love with the idea of love or in pursuit of an ideal that he just forgave and put up with everything Will threw at him. I feel like we as the audience know why Will found Sonny so attractive, but we've never really seen the reverse. My initial theory was that Sonny had a hero complex and loved being needed, but it could just be that Will was the rebound which is why he was so determined to make it work. When Paul saw Sonny's ring he remarked that Sonny had got what he had always wanted. He made it seem like it could have been anyone as long as Sonny achieved that outcome.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 9, 2015 19:07:20 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 9, 2015 19:34:12 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Jan 9, 2015 21:00:32 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit!
I'm hoping Will has started to realize the gravity of what he's done. It looked like there was a hint of that when he left the hotel room and immediately put on his wedding ring, saying "what have I done". It still bothers me that Will wouldn't tell Paul that the reason it can't happen again is because he's married (or even just that there's someone else, without going into detail).
Now Derrick knows something's up. It'll be interesting to see how he uses that information.
I've been thinking the last couple of days about how this will be revealed. I wonder if Paul agrees to let Will out him in the article. Sonny doesn't find out about the content of the article until it goes to print, and maybe starts putting the pieces together. I guess we'll see.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 21:27:29 GMT -5
Derrick is starting to creep me out, with his hovering in the hallways. Paul is still in love with Sonny. The glow of hope in his eyes went away, once Sonny realized that he wasn't alone and that he had a visitor in his shower. Will just screwed up his world and he's still in shock about what he did. He cheated on his husband with another man. He actually had the chance to sleep with another man and he didn't stop himself. Sonny's just trying to find his husband. I actually want Adrienne and Lucas to get together. She wouldn't have a leg to stand on, if and when the truth about Will's extramarital tryst comes out, but I think that Sonny would be there for her in the end.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 21:35:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the juicy bits. I wonder if anyone on DAYS has watched the clips from AWZ and VL, because the Paul and Will sex scenes had a lot of skin and simulated sex on screen. Way more than Emmerdale, EastEnders, Coronation Street and Hollyoaks (combined).
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Post by Zathras on Jan 9, 2015 21:46:58 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone on DAYS has watched the clips from AWZ and VL, because the Paul and Will sex scenes had a lot of skin and simulated sex on screen. Way more than Emmerdale, EastEnders, Coronation Street and Hollyoaks (combined). I noticed! It was nice to see that the show didn't shy away from it. They've done enough sex scenes with the straight couples, so it was the least they could do.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 22:02:22 GMT -5
Wait a minute: Sonny has never consciously treated Will like a child. Sonny has had to constantly build up Will's self-esteem, be his cheerleader and let him know that he's loved and supported all the time. Yes, he shouldn't have belittled Will's financial contributions to their marriage, but Will has only had a job for less than a year. Sonny has also never boasted about being "perfect". That's a role that he has been put in by his husband and the audience, because he's never ever been allowed to have moments, in which he loses his cool about things. The minute that he does lose his cool, his behavior is instantly called on as being wrong. I do think that Will is in a competition with his husband, but Sonny doesn't know it. That's the thing. Sonny is not doing anything wrong and he doesn't know about the dynamic he is in. These are all Will's issues. Will chooses to see Sonny as perfect because that's what other character's say and what the writers present onscreen. This has been the first time we have seen Sonny be flawed and that is a good thing. Victor has called Sonny out for acting like Will is his child rather than his husband, so I do think that while not intentional on Sonny's part, that does come across in their dynamic. I've said before that this mentor/mentee thing that they had going on when they were dating feels like it has spilled over into the marriage. Will needs to learn how to stand on his own two feet. Sonny needs a partner and having to play cheerleader for someone is exhausting, especially when you also need support yourself. Honestly, if Paul had to come out of the closet tomorrow, he and Sonny could just pick up where they left off with no baggage. Looking at your previous post I have also wondered about Sonny's motives for getting together with Will. For a while there, it seemed like Sonny was so in love with the idea of love or in pursuit of an ideal that he just forgave and put up with everything Will threw at him. I feel like we as the audience know why Will found Sonny so attractive, but we've never really seen the reverse. My initial theory was that Sonny had a hero complex and loved being needed, but it could just be that Will was the rebound which is why he was so determined to make it work. When Paul saw Sonny's ring he remarked that Sonny had got what he had always wanted. He made it seem like it could have been anyone as long as Sonny achieved that outcome.I don't think that Sonny has a hero complex. I think that when Sonny met Paul, he wasn't prepared to actually fall in love with the guy. I think it initially started out as something fun. Something secret and interesting for him: dating a professional athlete. An athlete who was in the closet, but still someone known and famous. It was thrilling, exciting and new. Until Sonny got tired of not being acknowledged as a significant other, a boyfriend and lover of Paul. It got real and it wasn't fun anymore, so Sonny was done with it. He fell in love and he wanted it known. I think that's why he was so determined with Will. Will really had nothing holding him back from coming out (other than his self-esteem and image). He had no "million dollar arm", keeping him from being honest about himself. Will's from a small town. Has the support of all of his extended family and friends. Even with Will's issues, he was much easier to cope with, than Paul and his professional athletic future. I do think that Sonny IS in love with Will. They're just going through a tough time right now. He's not willing to give up on Will. He's also not willing to give Paul any opportunity to try and get back into his life. Sonny reacts towards Paul, like he's going to suddenly realize that his possible future career, will have Paul choosing that over Sonny. Again. The trust is gone for Sonny in regards to Paul. I wonder how that's going to change, once the truth is finally out? Paul isn't the one at fault here. Will'S the one at fault. Will willingly slept with another man. A man, who is his husband's ex. A man, Will should have been known about, but due to his self-esteem issues, told Sonny that he didn't want to know about ANY of his previous and past relationships with other men, before he got together with Will. I do have a friend, who thinks that Sonny will probably blame himself for what happened, once the truth comes out. I hope not.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 22:07:23 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone on DAYS has watched the clips from AWZ and VL, because the Paul and Will sex scenes had a lot of skin and simulated sex on screen. Way more than Emmerdale, EastEnders, Coronation Street and Hollyoaks (combined). I noticed! It was nice to see that the show didn't shy away from it. They've done enough sex scenes with the straight couples, so it was the least they could do. Another viewer stated, on another forum, that the ratings for DAYS have been so horrible, that TPTB just probably said "screw it" and just went for it, regarding the Paul and Will sex scenes. At least they did it right: It was just about sex and two grown and consenting adults enjoying their time together. Will's guilty as hell over cheating on Sonny and Paul's worried about giving Sonny the wrong impression, but they both wanted/needed/desired each other at that time.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 9, 2015 22:10:49 GMT -5
Damn...I wish that Sami was still around. I wonder what in the world she would say, to try and support Will during this time?
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 10, 2015 13:17:02 GMT -5
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Post by capricious on Jan 10, 2015 18:59:41 GMT -5
First of all, let me start this off by saying I hate it, hate it, hate it that Will cheated with Paul. But it did throw us a curve ball in that we expected Sonny to be the one to fall to his ex. That being said, Will cheating on Sonny is made for Daytime Drama, cheating on your husband with his ex, well that's Daytime visiting Primetime realm.
I really like this story now. It has so many more implications than Sonny cheating with Paul. The fact that Will hooked-up with a stranger, well that has PSA opportunity written all over it. The fact that its his husbands ex, well that has many stories attached to it. The fact that Will and Sonny's parents look as though they are headed towards a relationship and Adrienne WILL DEFINITELY have a MAJOR PROBLEM when she finds out is another.
All I can say is, DAYS is really building up the momentum when during this time most soaps are dry and uninteresting, it makes me almost believe that the writers think this is the SUMMER season.
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Post by justinate on Jan 11, 2015 10:06:25 GMT -5
I agree that Will being the person Paul gets into bed with is an excellent twist, although there should have been more of a buildup, maybe a big blowout with Sonny beforehand, or at least some alcohol! It's easy to see why Will would be attracted to Paul, but for him to throw away his wedding vows for a roll in the hay with a man he barely knows, after all the time he spent berating his own mother for the same thing, is a stretch. I concur that Will got married too soon, and he should have "played the field" more widely - the entire breadth of his gay experience has been with Sonny, except for that one kiss he shared with Neil (which I considered hotter than any subsequent kiss he shared with Sonny!). Having Will settle down so quickly with husband and child was almost certainly a recipe for disaster, so I'm glad they're exploring that instead of keeping WilSon as the perfect "old married couple".
I'm disappointed by the hate Guy Wilson is getting for this story, because IMO he is actually giving his best performance since the wedding last year and this story is actually making WilSon interesting. Some of the nastiness is definitely uncalled for, but not unexpected - it is the same pattern as with Ryan Hawley, right down to the "doughboy" comments. (Seriously...)
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