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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 16:55:01 GMT -5
After watching today's show I'm pretty sure Will is going to out Paul, we'll see if it's on purpose or if Zoe is the reason like with Abby. I've read on the net that a bunch of people are upset that Will lied to Sonny about why he came home. But no one is mentioning Sonny not telling Will about his money problems or about his ex who still wants him. Will's secret of being dumped by the studio is no way as bad as what Sonny is keeping secret.
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 11, 2014 17:01:55 GMT -5
Sorry but as far as Sonny is not cheating on Will there's absolutely no reason to tell Will nothing about Paul. He made a promise to Paul, and Paul is a public figure. yes, Paul want's Sonny back, but after knowing he is married he didn't do anything to make believe he is a threat for their marriage (the real threat is Will behaving like a jerk). And we don't know if Sonny is going to tell him about his monetary problems, it will be weird if he didn't say anthing about it
Anyway, i think Will will out Paul, and that will bring tons of problems to his marriage. Paul is not Bryan, Sonny and Paul had an story in common, they loved each other and still care for each other. Will better start to care for his husband or he will lose him in no time
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Post by teachgirl on Dec 11, 2014 17:21:54 GMT -5
I was ecstatic about today's show because, other than those boring scenes with Ben and Abigail, every scene today had something to do with Sonny's personal issues or his business issues with Chad, Chad's plan for using Jordan, Victor plotting against Chad with Kate and Rafe, etc. The show was basically about Sonny. I simple cannot believe this is happening. I know there are issues with the writing and real incosistencies in their characterization, but seeing Sonny on my screen for FOUR days this week for more than a token three minutes a day is just joyous and astounding. I'm wondering if Will has listened to the voicemail Sonny left him when he was so stressed and will ask him about it.
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Post by talula on Dec 11, 2014 17:53:24 GMT -5
Yeah, i think too that Will gonna out Paul through his article and Derick will play role in it, i can't wait for Will to find out who Paul is and his past (and present ) with Sonny
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Post by Zathras on Dec 11, 2014 22:30:41 GMT -5
Thanks mrfixit! I'm glad Will is back. He better tell his husband why he's back in Salem, that he was dropped by the studio. But I don't think he will. I've lost track of how many times they keep things from each other, only for it to come out later and for them to say "no more secrets." Ugh. Will probably has a bruised ego, though. He's been down on himself in the not-too-distant past, and this certainly won't help. If the show has any sense of continuity, they'll probably have Will see his profile of Paul (who else would do it) as a chance to prove something to himself (and Sonny?). As of today there's no reason for Sonny to say anything to Will about Paul. Paul was in his past, and Sonny doesn't want to cheat on Will with him or anything like that. However ... if Sonny does indeed get a loan from Paul, he should explain to Will why this big baseball player is involved at all. Unless he keeps all the problems from Will. Now, of course, Sonny should be open with Will about the business, but I don't think he will. He could keep the investor a mystery, but if it ever came out, we can imagine Will's reaction to that. So he'll probably keep it all to himself while Paul sticks around for a while. I sense a tangled web being weaved. Interesting times ahead!
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Post by mrfixit477 on Dec 12, 2014 2:40:14 GMT -5
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Post by Difficult Diva on Dec 12, 2014 8:17:25 GMT -5
I sense a tangled web being weaved. Interesting times ahead! Which was desperately needed for the characters of Will, Sonny and their too quick landslide into marriage, fatherhood and family. This sort of situation should of happened years ago. I read on TBL that what DAYS has done to Will is like what ATWT had done with Noah Mayer aka "The Noah-fication of Will" and I agree to a certain point. What ATWT did, was make sure that nobody (the viewers that supported Nuke versus the viewers that didn't like the "gay stuff"), would have to see Noah or Luke having available and credible other men coming into their storyline. So, we had crazy homophobic fathers, greencard marriages, phony cousins, leecherous grandfathers/professors AND monthlong sabbaticals thrown into their saga, until a sarcastic surgeon from the Pacific Northwest was bribed to come to Oakdale. The bad (and good) traits about Will have always been there. The bad ones have just been molified by the important characters in his life (Sami, Marlena, Kate, Lucas and Sonny) who don't want to make him feel bad about himself. There was also the need to fast track Will and Sonny into supercoupledom, which also made ANY male character (who also happened to be gay) and interacted with Will and Sonny seen as an instant threat to their status. The vilification of the Brian character was just so not necessary and how threatened Will was over Sonny's friend Brent?! That should have been something that raised major flags to Sonny about what he was dealing with in regards to Will's feelings. Which makes it even more credible that Sonny was fine with Will saying that he didn't want to know or hear about his past relationships with other men. Sonny didn't want to make things bad for Will, so he's fine with not sharing more about his past. If you love, trust and have faith in someone and believe that they share the same feelings about you, their past should never be viewed or felt as a threat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:40:43 GMT -5
Oh boy naive Will. His bosses are setting him up to out Paul and he doesn't even know it. The question is will Paul and Will develop feelings for one another while working on the article. Unlike with straight triangles all 3 could be interested in each other in a gay triangle.
I do hate cheating s/l's. Is a 3 way cheating?
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Post by blake on Dec 16, 2014 17:28:03 GMT -5
Oh boy naive Will. His bosses are setting him up to out Paul and he doesn't even know it. The question is will Paul and Will develop feelings for one another while working on the article. Unlike with straight triangles all 3 could be interested in each other in a gay triangle. I do hate cheating s/l's. Is a 3 way cheating? I do agree that it will be a triangle,however I believe it will be Paul & Will fighting over Sonny.Cause I believe that once Paul is outed or comes out he'll do whatever it takes to get Sonny back.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 16, 2014 18:56:08 GMT -5
Oh boy naive Will. His bosses are setting him up to out Paul and he doesn't even know it. Yeah, maybe. That was my first thought, but the setup to the job was pretty poor. I suppose it's possible Paul wants it to be a coming out expose. I'm not sure what else would cause the magazine folks to be so adamant about secrecy (considering they just did an article on him already). I did think it was bad of Will to agree to terms he didn't know, for a job he didn't understand, under poorly defined circumstances. And to agree to keep yet more secrets from his husband. You would think he would have learned his lesson (more than once) by now about keeping secrets, but apparently he doesn't learn . Maybe it'll become more clear after his first interview with Paul. I guess we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 19:09:51 GMT -5
Oh boy naive Will. His bosses are setting him up to out Paul and he doesn't even know it. Yeah, maybe. That was my first thought, but the setup to the job was pretty poor. I suppose it's possible Paul wants it to be a coming out expose. I'm not sure what else would cause the magazine folks to be so adamant about secrecy (considering they just did an article on him already). I did think it was bad of Will to agree to terms he didn't know, for a job he didn't understand, under poorly defined circumstances. And to agree to keep yet more secrets from his husband. You would think he would have learned his lesson (more than once) by now about keeping secrets, but apparently he doesn't learn . Maybe it'll become more clear after his first interview with Paul. I guess we'll see. I guess keeping a writing assignment secret isn't a big deal as far as Will is concerned. Because unlike those of us watching Will doesn't know where this is headed. We'll see how long it takes Will to catch on to the real reason they want Paul to think he's single.
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Post by teachgirl on Dec 17, 2014 0:10:44 GMT -5
I noticed that we have not seen Will and Sonny's apartment since before Will left for California. I wonder if we'll see it again. Not a good sign if they've lost having their own set.
When Will took his ring off, not even a pause, not even a flashback to the wedding? They are really throwing Will's character under the bus. I really hope there is a redemption story coming at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 17:15:50 GMT -5
I noticed that we have not seen Will and Sonny's apartment since before Will left for California. I wonder if we'll see it again. Not a good sign if they've lost having their own set. When Will took his ring off, not even a pause, not even a flashback to the wedding? They are really throwing Will's character under the bus. I really hope there is a redemption story coming at some point. May that is the point of this s/l. For really to see what an ass he's been and that if he doesn't straighten up he'll loose Sonny.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 17:19:28 GMT -5
On today's show I could not figure out if Paul really knows who Will is or if he was attracted to Will for real. I mean if he knows who Will is then what's the plan? Paul seduces Will to show Sonny Will is worthy of him and Sonny leaves Will for Paul. He might leave Will but he sure wouldn't got o Paul after that.
And hopefully after today's talk with Sonny Will is going to start realizing he needs to treat Sonny better than he has.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 17, 2014 20:07:59 GMT -5
Ouch. I think Sonny was a little hard on Will, but at the same time Will needed to hear it. But this is one of the bad things about this story: they didn't show us at all what happened to Will while he was away. It makes it very difficult for me to sympathize with the arguments he makes. I suppose that's the point, but it feels like sloppy storytelling to me.
I didn't get the impression that Paul knew who Will was. I think he was just subconsciously (or consciously?) flirty. We don't know how flirty he's been with other guys (he's definitely been flirty with the women in Salem), so it has me wondering whether he's getting tired of the straight act and is slowly letting down his guard. Will definitely sensed something.
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Post by talula on Dec 17, 2014 21:34:19 GMT -5
Very nice episode today, Will and Paul scenes were very entraining to watch, I like how Paul was shamelessly flirting with Will ,don't think he knows who Will is,i think he's just letting his guard down, like 'things you do when you think nobody is looking', he is young, hot and lonely, he just couldn't' help it sexy Derrick is practically giving himself to Paul, how long Paul gonna resist ? lol
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Post by mrfixit477 on Dec 17, 2014 21:38:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 22:06:53 GMT -5
Ouch. I think Sonny was a little hard on Will, but at the same time Will needed to hear it. But this is one of the bad things about this story: they didn't show us at all what happened to Will while he was away. It makes it very difficult for me to sympathize with the arguments he makes. I suppose that's the point, but it feels like sloppy storytelling to me. This is my problem with the s/l so far. We get the Sonny/Paul back story and all the flashbacks that make some viewers root for them to get together but so far nothing to make us root for Will. They really need to have Will make a real effort to make it up to Sonny for making Sonny feel like Will cares more about his career than him.
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Post by harmonium on Dec 18, 2014 1:23:00 GMT -5
I am getting mixed vibes here. Why is Paul practically flirting with Will, I think the shot on them shaking hands pretty much says that Paul is keen on Will. And then with Derrick, Paul is almost wanna jump right at him. I wonder if Paul is just too lonely and when he sees any cute guys that are potentially gay, he just want to flirt with them. And it's weird that Paul said that he specifically asked for Will for this interview story, I wonder is it really because he is genuinely impressed with Will's writing or he has other plans. This is getting really exciting.
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Post by Pedris2 on Dec 18, 2014 3:08:41 GMT -5
Paul plays game with Will, he probably knows or suspects who Will is. For Paul, Will is just such a toy for amusement.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Dec 18, 2014 5:41:48 GMT -5
Ouch. I think Sonny was a little hard on Will, but at the same time Will needed to hear it. But this is one of the bad things about this story: they didn't show us at all what happened to Will while he was away. It makes it very difficult for me to sympathize with the arguments he makes. I suppose that's the point, but it feels like sloppy storytelling to me. This is my problem with the s/l so far. We get the Sonny/Paul back story and all the flashbacks that make some viewers root for them to get together but so far nothing to make us root for Will. They really need to have Will make a real effort to make it up to Sonny for making Sonny feel like Will cares more about his career than him. Well, IMO the audience always roots for Will, so it's about time that the show is focusing on the negative aspects of his personality. I don't think they need to create flashbacks to show Will's failure during his time in Hollywood. There's already backstory to when Will did that story about his family and got upset that they were pissed at him about it. Will's career IS important to him, to the point that he feels that he cannot share in his failures with his husband. He's so disappointed with himself that he also doesn't want his husband to know. It's sad, but that is part of how Will thinks about himself. He doesn't want to be this huge failure all the time. What's interesting is how done Sonny is in being treated as an afterthought by his husband. Will says that Sonny should know how Will feels about things, but how could he, when his husband doesn't let him know?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 19:53:51 GMT -5
On today's show Will tried to let Sonny know how he feels but Sonny had no interest in anything he had to say. But Sonny sure wanted to know what Paul had to say about his former love. I hope Sonny realizes if he leaves Will he'd also be leaving Ari.
And I have no doubt now that Paul knows who Will is and is playing him. Trying to make him believe he's too young to be tied down and that if 2 people have busy careers they have no chance of making it.
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Post by teachgirl on Dec 19, 2014 23:00:56 GMT -5
On today's show Will tried to let Sonny know how he feels but Sonny had no interest in anything he had to say. But Sonny sure wanted to know what Paul had to say about his former love. I hope Sonny realizes if he leaves Will he'd also be leaving Ari. And I have no doubt now that Paul knows who Will is and is playing him. Trying to make him believe he's too young to be tied down and that if 2 people have busy careers they have no chance of making it. I'm still not sure whether he knows or not, and that's mostly due to the writing. I wonder if Will will forget to put his ring back on because he's so worried about Ari. Today was the first time my sympathy for Sonny was challenged a bit. I get that he is hurting and under pressure, and his comment on Will's lack of interest was absolutely true, but there is Will finally willing to cancel his appointment and focus on them for once, and Sonny leaves. It's in character for Sonny to shut down when he's hurt, as we've saw him do right after the baby reveal, but this time he's married and needs to make more effort. I love that Nicole and her awesome bird coat ran into Derrick.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Dec 20, 2014 7:25:23 GMT -5
On today's show Will tried to let Sonny know how he feels but Sonny had no interest in anything he had to say. But Sonny sure wanted to know what Paul had to say about his former love. I hope Sonny realizes if he leaves Will he'd also be leaving Ari. And I have no doubt now that Paul knows who Will is and is playing him. Trying to make him believe he's too young to be tied down and that if 2 people have busy careers they have no chance of making it. I'm still not sure whether he knows or not, and that's mostly due to the writing. I wonder if Will will forget to put his ring back on because he's so worried about Ari. Today was the first time my sympathy for Sonny was challenged a bit. I get that he is hurting and under pressure, and his comment on Will's lack of interest was absolutely true, but there is Will finally willing to cancel his appointment and focus on them for once, and Sonny leaves. It's in character for Sonny to shut down when he's hurt, as we've saw him do right after the baby reveal, but this time he's married and needs to make more effort.Here's the thing though: Since Sonny showed up in Salem and unwittingly caught the eye of Will, he has always made great efforts to make himself available and there for Will (even when Will was denying that he had any sort of feelings for him). I know that some folks may not like or understand why Sonny's behaving this way now and isn't willing to be his usual understanding self, but I understand it. Even the most patient and understanding people in the world have finally had moments, in which they just get tired of being taken for granted and those hurt feelings don't instantly go away, when the person that inadvertently hurt, finally sees that pain and apologizes. Sonny is still hurt and mad and I'm glad he's being difficult with Will. Sonny is Will's husband. Not his therapist. He shouldn't always have to be understanding.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 20, 2014 12:31:35 GMT -5
The only thing that bothered me was Sonny's passive-aggressiveness. He wanted to wait for Will to ask what was going on, and passively dropped hints that he wanted to talk about something. But he didn't come out and say "I need to talk about this stuff" to his husband - the one person he should rely on, should be upfront with. Thing is, I agree with the central conclusion. Will hasn't expressed much interest in what's going on with Sonny for a while now. I'm just not thrilled with the fact that Sonny is usually forthright, but this time he came across as very passive-aggressive to me. Oh well. And I have no doubt now that Paul knows who Will is and is playing him. Trying to make him believe he's too young to be tied down and that if 2 people have busy careers they have no chance of making it. I don't think Paul knows that Will is Sonny's husband. I think Paul was trying to soothe his own conscience for how things ended with Sonny.
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