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Post by kevvoi on Apr 22, 2012 16:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 23, 2012 8:01:03 GMT -5
Scene from s2e04, Renly meets up with his brother Stannis:
courtesy of jonsnowfg's channel.
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 27, 2012 7:55:38 GMT -5
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Post by moonstruck-me on Apr 30, 2012 8:40:54 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOO!!!
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 30, 2012 8:45:09 GMT -5
Renly's scenes from episode 5 of season 2, courtesy of jonsnowfg's channel:
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Post by syione on May 3, 2012 6:46:42 GMT -5
So is there even a reason to keep watching. Okay other than it's good.
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Post by moonstruck-me on May 3, 2012 11:07:40 GMT -5
^^ I think there is. Renly was one of my favorite characters, but I also like Arya, Gendry and Tyrion. And I'm interested to see what happens to Loras and if he will ever get revenge. (I haven't read the books.)
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Post by kevvoi on May 3, 2012 15:11:43 GMT -5
It has been a few years since I have read the books, but I do remember that Renly died fairly early on in the series. So they are being somewhat faithful to the books. I don't actually remember what Loras got up to -- maybe it is time to re-read them (especially since I haven't read the most recent volume yet).
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Post by moonstruck-me on May 3, 2012 17:08:02 GMT -5
I haven't read that many spoilers, but I have heard from others that you shouldn't get attached to any of the characters, because they could die the next second. I knew that Renly was going to die, but I just didn't know it would be that soon and so quickly (so few Loras+Renly scenes). Are the books any good?
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Post by kevvoi on May 3, 2012 17:11:39 GMT -5
They are very long
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Post by moonstruck-me on May 3, 2012 17:37:25 GMT -5
I've seen they got a lot of pages, but are they boring? ;D
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Post by kevvoi on May 3, 2012 21:46:20 GMT -5
George R. R. Martin has a vivid imagination. He built an entire, very complex world to write about. I think there were a couple of problems though including too many characters (many with similar names) that are hard to keep track of, especially with the shifting alliances and politics of the world.
Modified to add: I think the tv series does do justice to the books -- not every film adaptation comes even close to doing that.
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Post by moonstruck-me on May 4, 2012 5:44:55 GMT -5
There are a lot of characters. It took me all of season 1 to learn who everybody was and how they were related. But I guess it helps it's a series and not a movie. They have 10 hours instead of 2, to tell the stories from the books. Guess it would be impossible to get just one of the books down to a 2 hour movie. ;D
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Post by moonstruck-me on Jul 8, 2012 11:49:22 GMT -5
Found this interview with Finn Jones "Loras" on youtube: Small spoiler in it.
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Post by mike209 on Jul 30, 2012 9:46:25 GMT -5
one reason i watch the this show is because of Richard Madden,who play ash in tv series sirens sadly only had 1season ... of course the gay storyline , but i really enjoy this show. i watch the 2 season for only 3 days... and of course Aidan Gillen( stuart jones,QAF UK) ^^
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 27, 2013 6:46:49 GMT -5
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Post by overtherainbow on Mar 27, 2013 15:36:22 GMT -5
This will be a rant.. just so you're warned. Please look away, this will probably sound harsh. This is the article I'm basing my comment on: www.vulture.com/2013/03/plea-for-more-male-nudity-on-game-of-thrones.htmlI just can't get over the amount of female nudity on this show, and the lack of male nudity. We can see girl on girl action, yet they cut away all the gay sex (which was basically just one scene). I just think it's extremely unfair. When will they treat male nudity the way they do female nudity, and when do we get to see explicit gay male sex the way we see lesbian sex now? Especially in Game of Thrones. The girl on girl scene was basically soft porn. They were both fully nude, and you could see everything while they were having sex. When have we since seen something like that on tv with gay male characters? There's a clear double standard here that I just can't support. It's the exact same reason I stopped watching True Blood. I was offended by the way they showed gay male sex scenes, compared to the girl on girl action. The girl on girl scenes were explicit, yet they hardly showed any gay sex scenes. I just don't understand how people can just sit back and accept this? how is this ok? I guess it's not surprising, since lesbian sex is more accepted today than gay sex. I can understand it. And in Game of Thrones' case I can see them just playing into their audiences, since it's mainly a straight male audience, and they obviously prefer lesbian sex over gay sex, but it still doesn't make it ok. I'm sick and tired of the double standard. I'm looking forward to the day when male nudity is treated the same as female nudity, and to the day they can show gay sex scenes as explicitly as they do lesbian sex scenes. In the mean time I prefer to boycott shows with a clear double standard. No way will they get my money when they're clearly guilty of treating the sexes differently.
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 31, 2013 6:56:13 GMT -5
Well, to be totally fair, in the books there's absolutely nothing like the gay scene on the tv show. There are gay characters, but a lot of people didn't realize Loras and Renly were more than friends, even after reading the first three books. On the other hand, the books has a good bunch of straight sex (and a couple of lesbian scenes).
Lets put all this in perspective, in mainstream fantasy, gay characters are very very scarce. Generally there's absolutely no mention of homosexuality, like in the world created just didn't exist. Of course that's not always the case, because for example in the name of the wind by Patrick Rothfuss there's a clear mention that a character is gay (but it's a character that barely appears in one scene). Martin is different, the homosexuality really exist in the seven kingdoms, the red viper was bisexual, and there's at least a couple of characters that are gay too, but none (at least till now) of the main characters is gay (Renly and Loras are secondary characters).
I find the whole outrage about the difference in treatment totally prefabricated, because the producers of the show could skip all the gay scenes saying that they are not in the books (of course there are a lot of scenes in the series that are not in the books) and it will be true.
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Post by overtherainbow on Apr 1, 2013 8:59:24 GMT -5
Well, to be totally fair, in the books there's absolutely nothing like the gay scene on the tv show. There are gay characters, but a lot of people didn't realize Loras and Renly were more than friends, even after reading the first three books. On the other hand, the books has a good bunch of straight sex (and a couple of lesbian scenes). Lets put all this in perspective, in mainstream fantasy, gay characters are very very scarce. Generally there's absolutely no mention of homosexuality, like in the world created just didn't exist. Of course that's not always the case, because for example in the name of the wind by Patrick Rothfuss there's a clear mention that a character is gay (but it's a character that barely appears in one scene). Martin is different, the homosexuality really exist in the seven kingdoms, the red viper was bisexual, and there's at least a couple of characters that are gay too, but none (at least till now) of the main characters is gay (Renly and Loras are secondary characters). I find the whole outrage about the difference in treatment totally prefabricated, because the producers of the show could skip all the gay scenes saying that they are not in the books (of course there are a lot of scenes in the series that are not in the books) and it will be true. No gay sex, no gay characters.. yet lesbians and lesbian sex. I call that a double standard. It's hypocrisy at its worst. It's disgusting. Then again.. like I said, I do sorta understand it. Fantasy books are mostly made for a male audience, and what do the straight guys like better than lesbians? Yeah, nothing. It's just another way to cater to guys and get guys to read the books, and watch the tv show. I know they're being truthful to the books by having lesbians, but the double standard still doesn't make it ok. Fine.. there wasn't much mention of gay characters in the book, yet they decided to include it anyway. We got one scene and that was it. Why not make that one scene as explicit as the other girl on girl scenes? When commit, commit, take it all out. And you say it's ok, since you know.. the gay characters weren't really mentioned in the books anyway, so we should be happy with whatever we get?! Well, I say BS. They decided to include those scenes, so why not do it well when you do it? Why not treat those scenes the same as the lesbian scenes? I'm sorry, but "just including it" isn't cutting it for me. When they included those scenes they also committed to telling a story, and making it seem real. By treating the gay couple differently they failed. And I won't let them get away with it that easy. It's just another excuse "well, at least they included it", no. That's not ok. It's not good enough. I'm sick of this. Sick of producers and directors justifying lesbian sex, and the non existent gay male sex by saying "we're being truthful to the books, it's how women were treated back then" blah blah. Hell no! You're just making excuses. I know they will never portray gay sex the way they do lesbian sex, it's still too taboo. This is one of the reasons I love Shameless, they're not scared of showing gay sex, and they're making it fairly explicit too. But again.. the world is f-ed up, because I've been on so many forums and have read so many BS comments that there's too much gay sex on Shameless, yet they never complain if two girls get it on.. disgusting and typical double standard. Btw.. I'm a bi chick myself, just so you know. I don't have anything against lesbians. I'm just sick of seeing gay characters being treated as sexless human beings on tv. They constantly show girl on girl action. I just think it's unfair, that's all.
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Post by moonstruck-me on Apr 16, 2013 15:56:42 GMT -5
An interview with Finn Jones about his character Loras, his relationship with Renley, the costumes and.. Adventure Time? I miss Renley so much! (Why did he have to die?!) I haven't read the books, so I'm excited to see what will happen to Loras and his sister. Can't imagine her being married to Joffrey!
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 26, 2013 15:19:51 GMT -5
Well, to be totally fair, in the books there's absolutely nothing like the gay scene on the tv show. There are gay characters, but a lot of people didn't realize Loras and Renly were more than friends, even after reading the first three books. On the other hand, the books has a good bunch of straight sex (and a couple of lesbian scenes). Lets put all this in perspective, in mainstream fantasy, gay characters are very very scarce. Generally there's absolutely no mention of homosexuality, like in the world created just didn't exist. Of course that's not always the case, because for example in the name of the wind by Patrick Rothfuss there's a clear mention that a character is gay (but it's a character that barely appears in one scene). Martin is different, the homosexuality really exist in the seven kingdoms, the red viper was bisexual, and there's at least a couple of characters that are gay too, but none (at least till now) of the main characters is gay (Renly and Loras are secondary characters). I find the whole outrage about the difference in treatment totally prefabricated, because the producers of the show could skip all the gay scenes saying that they are not in the books (of course there are a lot of scenes in the series that are not in the books) and it will be true. No gay sex, no gay characters.. yet lesbians and lesbian sex. I call that a double standard. It's hypocrisy at its worst. It's disgusting. Then again.. like I said, I do sorta understand it. Fantasy books are mostly made for a male audience, and what do the straight guys like better than lesbians? Yeah, nothing. It's just another way to cater to guys and get guys to read the books, and watch the tv show. I know they're being truthful to the books by having lesbians, but the double standard still doesn't make it ok. Fine.. there wasn't much mention of gay characters in the book, yet they decided to include it anyway. We got one scene and that was it. Why not make that one scene as explicit as the other girl on girl scenes? When commit, commit, take it all out. And you say it's ok, since you know.. the gay characters weren't really mentioned in the books anyway, so we should be happy with whatever we get?! Well, I say BS. They decided to include those scenes, so why not do it well when you do it? Why not treat those scenes the same as the lesbian scenes? I'm sorry, but "just including it" isn't cutting it for me. When they included those scenes they also committed to telling a story, and making it seem real. By treating the gay couple differently they failed. And I won't let them get away with it that easy. It's just another excuse "well, at least they included it", no. That's not ok. It's not good enough. I'm sick of this. Sick of producers and directors justifying lesbian sex, and the non existent gay male sex by saying "we're being truthful to the books, it's how women were treated back then" blah blah. Hell no! You're just making excuses. I know they will never portray gay sex the way they do lesbian sex, it's still too taboo. This is one of the reasons I love Shameless, they're not scared of showing gay sex, and they're making it fairly explicit too. But again.. the world is f-ed up, because I've been on so many forums and have read so many BS comments that there's too much gay sex on Shameless, yet they never complain if two girls get it on.. disgusting and typical double standard. Btw.. I'm a bi chick myself, just so you know. I don't have anything against lesbians. I'm just sick of seeing gay characters being treated as sexless human beings on tv. They constantly show girl on girl action. I just think it's unfair, that's all. To be honest, i only remember a lesbian sex scene on the books (i read the first three), there are probably a couple more with Danny and her servant, but they are not that relevant. Straight sex is not that prominent either in the books, but there are some more (in my opinion in the tv show there a lot more of gratuitus sex and nude scenes than in the books, in fact a lot of sex scenes in the books are more relevant for other things than the proper sex, like most of Tyrion scenes). The relationship between Loras and Renly in the books is more like one of those Hollywood couples that everybody knows are dating but the magazines insist they are straight. In fact, Loras is like the Justin Bieber of the seven kingdoms, girls love him. A lot of people don't realize they are in a relationship at all, it's all subtle but it's all there. One can claim double standard, and it's probably true (but there's no lesbian couple in the first three books at all), but what Martin did in the books is quite rare in fantasy mainstrain, a world were gays exist. Because it's not only Renly and Loras, Cat's uncle is rumoured to be gay (wich explains why he is a middle aged single and his strange relationship with his brother), one of the knights of Cat's sister is gay (he flirts with her, but everybody seems to know he prefers men, and he is quite hot tempered, but that happened on the fourth book and i didn't read it yet), and there are even casual references to homosexuality, two of the guardians that Tyrion hire to protect Shae are lovers. And of course, the Red viper is bisexual, i really really like that character. I would be good a gay prominent character on the books, maybe in the last two ones, but at least, game of thrones is way ahead other titles of its genre. Maybe because the books are more for an adult market than the usual teen market, but at least are not the usual gay free (in the best of cases, because in other ones are more near to homophobia, not surprise because there's a good bunch of mormon writers in the fantasy market) worlds. I'm not an expert in fantasy, but as i say it's quite unusual (of course there are fantasy books destined to gay readers) in the mainstream. I remember a reference to a gay couple on the name of the wind by Patrick Roothfuss, but they are character who are only in one little scene in a book of 800 pages. So in my opinion it's all a question of perspective, but i don't denie that the tv show has a tendency to objectifie female bodies
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Post by moonstruck-me on Apr 29, 2013 2:23:30 GMT -5
Well, Loras got some action in the latest episode. I hope Loras will not marry Cersei. Sometimes I wish I would have read the books.
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Post by moonstruck-me on May 20, 2013 16:21:19 GMT -5
Loras and Cersai!!! Ugh! They are just so wrong for each other! And I felt so bad for Sansa in the latest episode... I hope Joffrey will die a horrible death.
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Post by jjose712 on May 25, 2013 16:24:21 GMT -5
The books will not solve your problems. Loras and Renly relationship was very very subttle in the books, and i don't remember him being near Cersei at all
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 19, 2013 17:53:47 GMT -5
New upload of the Oliver and Loras clip, courtesy of Alex with Italian subtitles.
The same channel also has Loras and Renly scenes -- but they have been dubbed over in Italian.
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