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Post by jjose712 on Sept 4, 2010 4:32:17 GMT -5
Specially in this case, because everybody (including Nelson) know that all the three actors wanted a Nuke ending
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 4, 2010 5:43:00 GMT -5
NB always uses that portion of his column to slam certain things he likes or doesn't like. His comment is certainly not shocking. And he's never liked Noah. Killing Noah would be ridic though and would make no sense storywise. I agree with Van that killing Reid does make sense in a fashion as much I didn't like the show's decision to do so.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 4, 2010 6:08:22 GMT -5
Well, Jake bashing days on Nelson colum seems long time ago, since the rumoured argument with Van in the cruise last year he is a lot softer on Jake. In fact he even praised Jake acting during the blind storyline. And yes, killing Noah after months of not showing him on screen will be absurd (well, more absurd that this crappy ending)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 6:44:04 GMT -5
And yes, killing Noah after months of not showing him on screen will be absurd (well, more absurd that this crappy ending) There’s no way with the character’s airtime and general treatment that Noah could have been the one dying. Such character devotion tends to come with a purpose on this show. I think anyone watching the last 2 months could have easily deducted that if there was a character that was going to die among the three, it would obviously be Reid, and this was the character’s crescendo. ATWT isn’t (that) subtle.
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Post by md1347 on Sept 4, 2010 7:08:57 GMT -5
tvguide.ca/Soaps/Suds/Articles/100903_suds_report_NB.htmBy Nelson Branco SUDSIEST QUOTES OF THE WEEK “I thought everyone loved Luke and Noah! But people love Reid. Eric [Sheffer Stevens] deserves it — he’s fantastic.” —World Turns’s Van Hansis in his final Digest feature interview Translation: They should have killed off Noah instead. Ha! The definition of classy and accurate journalism. He's no the only soap journalist to bash Noah/Jake all the time. Other's have as well. I use to read a lot but then realized that with all the person hate directed towards Noah/Jake that they probably do it to others, so I'm probably not getting an accurate information. I barely read much anymore.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 4, 2010 8:06:48 GMT -5
That's what annoy me, this kind of conduct. Some fans did exactly the same thing, but one expect something better from a journalist. When the Nuke storyline stalled (and we know what were the reasons for that), instead of bash P&G, CBS or the writers, they decided to bash Jake. And to be honest, one could argue about Jake's acting skills, but it's obvious that he is better with the pass of time. I find it very unfair, not only because he was not responsible for anything, but because he was the weakest link of all implacated in the storyline, he wasn't even under contract like Van.
But in Nelson's case, the guy is not exactly consistent. After the kish debacle, and after saying he was a kish supporter, he dedicated to spread all tptb crap about Brett and Scott, without any remorse of damaging the careers of the actors
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Post by md1347 on Sept 4, 2010 9:08:02 GMT -5
That's what annoy me, this kind of conduct. Some fans did exactly the same thing, but one expect something better from a journalist. When the Nuke storyline stalled (and we know what were the reasons for that), instead of bash P&G, CBS or the writers, they decided to bash Jake. And to be honest, one could argue about Jake's acting skills, but it's obvious that he is better with the pass of time. I find it very unfair, not only because he was not responsible for anything, but because he was the weakest link of all implacated in the storyline, he wasn't even under contract like Van. But in Nelson's case, the guy is not exactly consistent. After the kish debacle, and after saying he was a kish supporter, he dedicated to spread all tptb crap about Brett and Scott, without any remorse of damaging the careers of the actors Totally agree 100%.
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Post by md1347 on Sept 4, 2010 10:59:50 GMT -5
Soaps.com is going after Noah again. soaps.sheknows.com/astheworldturns/newsroom/id/11517/As_The_World_Turns_Weekly_Blog/"Noah has finally developed a personality over his last few appearances and he seems to be a jerk. He's moving to LA to be with all the other Corbin Fisher rejects, but he made a final bid to lure Luke away first." For those who don't know. Corbin Fisher has a gay porn website for Amateur College Men and Amateur College Sex.
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 4, 2010 11:12:36 GMT -5
Thanks, md1347. I suspect there will be a lot more cheap, pointless cracks in these final two weeks of the show. I'm amused by the fact that I can post a clip on the blog and call out the writers for being shitty & someone comments TGODT should be neutral but other bloggers (hey there Branco!) are being "witty" in directing their nastiness about how things are playing out toward one character - a character who has also been shafted in this storyline and for pretty much the last 2 years, I'd like to add - and hardly a peep is heard regarding their actions. I guess it's okay only if the irritation goes one way but not another. Blech on the double standard. I am sure this focused blaming will continue for months yet. YAY Perhaps there will be a web series?
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Post by md1347 on Sept 4, 2010 11:16:25 GMT -5
Thanks, md1347. I suspect there will be a lot more cheap, pointless cracks in these final two weeks of the show. I'm amused by the fact that I can post a clip on the blog and call out the writers for being shitty & someone comments TGODT should be neutral but other bloggers are being "witty" in directing their nastiness about how things are playing out toward one character - a character who has also been shafted in this storyline and for pretty much the last 2 years, I'd like to add - and hardly a peep is heard regarding their actions. I guess it's okay only if the irritation goes one way but not another. Blech on the double standard. I am sure this focused blaming will continue for months yet. YAY Can't wait for the continuing castigation of Noah. Perhaps there will be a web series? There's a lot of things you can attack ATWT on, so why a cheap shot at Noah? How about talking about the almost homophobic attitude of the show? How lousy the ending is for virtually everyone? but no, a cheap shot against Noah... No wonder I don't read the SOC anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 11:30:23 GMT -5
SOC is going after Noah again. soaps.sheknows.com/astheworldturns/newsroom/id/11517/As_The_World_Turns_Weekly_Blog/"Noah has finally developed a personality over his last few appearances and he seems to be a jerk. He's moving to LA to be with all the other Corbin Fisher rejects, but he made a final bid to lure Luke away first." For those who don't know. Corbin Fisher has a gay porn website for Amateur College Men and Amateur College Sex. LOL! At this point, I think the bitterness of certain fans (especially in the soap media which constantly hyped their favorite character/pairing) over the ending needs some point of release. The character of Noah is an easy target, as made easier by the show. It won’t change the suckiness of the ending and of TPTB, sorry. If anything, the character was merely used the way he was to further said suckiness, which is actually what should be talked about IMO. I don’t think Noah’s fans should be offended; hell, for a prop, he manages to create a rather strong reaction with mere minutes in a couple of episodes. I didn’t even take those appearances strongly; I saw the show just trying to run around in circles, drop anvils and create momentum tension through them. I wouldn’t have thought that’d get this much under some people’s skin; maybe ATWT is better at it than I thought. Now, if only the jokes could try to actually be funny and make sense; the leap into porn says more about the person writing than anything else IMO.
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 4, 2010 13:15:00 GMT -5
Well.... the joke is even stolen cause the folks over at AE said the same thing, only they did it better. Heh.
I will say though that they should be railing against the homophobia of the show or the fact that no gays get a happy ending.
At the end of the day though, why can't people just accept that there are some who don't like and never will like certain characters. It is what it is.
My question is, if there are nasty cracks being made by some blogger about say, Reid, would they be brought over and quoted as something negative and to be derided? I suspect not.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 4, 2010 13:37:48 GMT -5
Here at The Gays of Daytime (in my experience) we believe in free expression. All opinions are welcomed as long as the folks posting them are aware that they are just voicing their OPINION and no one here is obligated to agree with them. I believe it is also generally understood here that we don't make up stuff or substitute our beliefs for facts and we don't talk about each other. That is to say, we don't talk about what other "fans" thing or are gonna say or what they should do. That moves into real people bashing and just like actor bashing, it isn't something that is allowed here for VERY good reasons. I've never heard a single Mod tell anyone here that they can't have a particular opinion or that they aren't allowed to articulate that opinion. The mods are the ONLY people who can tell people what to do and what not to do and they rely upon the rest of us to act right and be respectful of EACH OTHER and THE ACTORS and not waste thread space bashing other users of this site who might have a different opinion. The is a disproportionate amount of bashing of Jake the actor and Noah the character in the soap opera press. That's a fact. Whether you think he or the character he plays deserves the bashing is up to individual interpretation. But it's not worthy to point it out and discuss it in the LUKE AND NOAH inthe Press thread. Everyone is welcome to bring over something about ESS or Reid for discussion if they want. We all have free will. I understand that some folks don't even want to talk about the character Noah anymore and that is your right, but you can't nor should you want to stop others from doing so if we wish/want to. This is the Luke and Noah thread and it's completely appropriate to discuss what's being said about Luke and Noah here. If folks don't want to read what's discussed here, they can always self-select and simply skip over the posts about Jake or Noah. I don't see what the big deal is. Some of love Noah and Jake and that's not going to change and it should have to be challenged as if there is some inherently right or wrong way to think about these characters. The people who write these soap columns and blogs are just freaking people, they are just viewers like the rest of us. They have no more authority over how characters or shows or actors should be talked about (or what viewers should think about them) than anyone else. It's kind of crazy control-freaky to complain about people talking about Noah or Jake in the press in the "Luke and Noah in the Press" thread. That's what the thread is here for: To discuss mentions of Luke and Noah in the Press. It's right there in the title of the thread. We ALL need to stop sipping on the Haterade at the Bitterness Soda Shop and let each express ourselves about the show and how the characters are being handled without bashing each other. The enemy is P&G and the producers of ATWT, not each other. I don't know why folks feel the need to tell others how they should or shouldn't feel about Luke/Van, Reid/ESS or Noah/Jake. If you just want folks to agree with you, you're in the wrong place. Personally I don't give two figs what folks are doing or saying on other sites because the reason I come to TGODT is because things are NOT so one-sided.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 13:37:48 GMT -5
At the end of the day though, why can't people just accept that there are some who don't like and never will like certain characters. It is what it is. People can like or dislike who they want, but the tone here is what’s caught me. What does the porn thing have to do with the character anyway? Is it more about the actor’s appearance then? It’s just weird to me. They can express their dislike, but the way it’s expressed can cause me to express my opinion as to how said expression hardly makes sense to me, based on the reasons I’ve given. My issue with the classy quote above even was actually more about the way the words were pretty much put in Van’s mouth. I don’t know how the praising of the Reid character by Van could have been "translated" by 'Noah should have been killed'. I think I can express that as well. Maybe my standards on certain media are too high; I’ll just take the cue on that. I would hope so, why not? Fair is fair. Express them all you want, but not everyone rides on gratuitous nastiness, cheap shots and other cracks here. Potential proof: the last postings in the Luke/Noah discussion thread. And I'll stop there.No kidding.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 4, 2010 13:50:49 GMT -5
Nelson Branco is an irresponsible hack. It's ridiculous some of the things he SAYS and implies. I swear sometimes it feels personal the way some of these soap writers talk about Van and Jake. Like they hit on them and got shot down. It's just so above and beyond the call or writing about a soap.
Not liking a character or even not liking an actor's performance is once thing. But being all bitter and catty and disrespectful to fans and the actors is just gross.
There seems to be this idea (and maybe this has always been true of the soap world and I just never knew because I didn't grow up watching soaps) that you can just say ANYTHING you want about soap actors and they are suppose to just be gracious and take it.
One of these days one of these so-called journalists is going to let their mouth write a check their arse can't cash and they're going to see one of these actors in-person and wish they hadn't.
I mean the nastiness. Why? Why does Branco and other seem to feel almost PERSONALLY slighted by ATWT? It's ridiculous and he is gross.
It's like we're in some bizarre adult male world of MEAN GIRLS only it's grown assed men.
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 4, 2010 14:06:47 GMT -5
Well.... I think if you're an actor or a writer or a blogger or whatever, you're putting yourself out there for public consumption. And sometimes what people say won't be so nice. I say get a thick skin or get out of business. Most of these people realize not everyone will love them, just like in real life.
Nelson is who he is. And like anybody else he has his opinions and he's entitled to them. He's not saying anything different than what you can find on any message board. He just has a louder voice than most folks.
And of course people can post what they want. Who said they couldn't? I guess my point is that it's only a big deal because it's about a certain dark haired filmmaker. Which is okay. I just don't.... get it, I guess.
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 4, 2010 14:07:04 GMT -5
Let's see if that belief is as easily accepted the next time someone says they don't like Reid or Luke as it seems to be about Noah. . Well said, macari. Thank you. Sometimes it's not even what's said but the tone of what is said... LOL! But first a blogger would have to actually take a cheap shot, let alone as cheap as Noah seems to get by the mainstream soap press & supposed journalists, and then we could actually compare. If someone posts something negative said about Reid by a blogger, especially if it's cheap shots like the ones at Noah (and sometimes Jake as well) then let's discuss. I'd say Luke too but I know Van's already made comments that were discussed about Luke and I think a few bloggers were commented on too at times when he's acted out of turn. Lets pony up so it's equal condemnation on cheap shots at any of the characters. Gotta be fair. Find those bloggers taking cheap shots at Reid and let's discuss.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 4, 2010 14:51:35 GMT -5
I don't think the problem is the Noah bashing. I think Noah was a character with a lot of potential to develop, but the writers never did that job. My problem is that generally Noah bashing ends in Jake bashing, and that's not fair.
I think Van and Jake endure a lot of things during these years, they were the ones questioned about the kiss ban or the lack of sex. They were even pushing to kiss each other on the red carpet during the kissing ban, and in my opinion that's disrespectful. One thing is that the actors make a kiss joke, like John and Gareth did in a Torchwood conference (or Javi and Adam when they were asked about the theatre play on Física o química second season), and other different try to impose the actors to kiss, like if they were the responsibles of the lack of intimacy in the show (well Nelson must believe that because he accused Jake of that during the soap cruise).
I think Van and Jake are incredible polite, because the show never rewarded them for all the publicity (and ratings) they bring to the show. In fact after the kish debacle, i'll be scare if i was a soap actor and tptb decide to make my character gay. And with the soap declining ratings it's only a question of time before another soap try the gay couple route, because it brings new viewers to the show and the attention of the media. And if the situation is desesperate (and most soaps are really near to the ratings of cancelled ATWT, in fact two of them have worse ratings) the posibility of make conservative viewers angry is less important. The only actor who didn't face any kind of backlash was Eric, but that's because Reid wasn't in the show enough time, because if the show wasn't cancelled, LuRe will stall the same way Nuke did. Reid is better integrated in the show, but all the storyline indicates that there was no intention to develop them as a full couple, that just don't happen in a P&G show, period. In fact i'm glad Jake and Van were polite about the show in their interviews. It's better bite your tongue that tell what you think and damage your posibilities to a new job. In fact Brett get a lot of backlash when he show his anger, and he had a lot of reasons to be angry
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 5, 2010 19:53:35 GMT -5
My mother always said "Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should".
None of us are getting PAID to post on message boards about soaps, soap actors or the characters they portray. I expect people who are being paid as journalists to be respectful of the actors that they cover (whether the actors have a think skin or not is irrelevant).
There are PLENTY of really good journalists who manage to write about controversial issues, even write BAD reviews of shows, films actors, etc without acting like a 12 year old bully in a school yard.
I expect paid bloggers to be truthful and fair. YES I DO. That's a bare minimum.
If I just want to read someone talking random unsubstantiated trash about soap opera actors and shows, I can just go hang out at the cashier near the SOD and listen to housewives hen peck all the actresses and question the sexuality of all the actors.
I expect MORE from people being paid to write about these things. When you take on the responsibility of being a paid journalist (and in some cases considered an "authority" in your field - even in something as fuffy as soap coverage) you are NOT expected to act like you have no sense or responsibility to the actors and shows you cover.
Fairman and Blanco and others are not just random folks posting on a message board. I DO hold them to a higher criteria as well we all should.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 5, 2010 22:20:45 GMT -5
That's what annoy me, this kind of conduct. Some fans did exactly the same thing, but one expect something better from a journalist. When the Nuke storyline stalled (and we know what were the reasons for that), instead of bash P&G, CBS or the writers, they decided to bash Jake. And to be honest, one could argue about Jake's acting skills, but it's obvious that he is better with the pass of time. I find it very unfair, not only because he was not responsible for anything, but because he was the weakest link of all implacated in the storyline, he wasn't even under contract like Van. But in Nelson's case, the guy is not exactly consistent. After the kish debacle, and after saying he was a kish supporter, he dedicated to spread all tptb crap about Brett and Scott, without any remorse of damaging the careers of the actors THIS. Totally agree!
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Post by md1347 on Sept 13, 2010 21:50:49 GMT -5
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 14, 2010 8:36:17 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that, md1347. Nice to read the recognition and respect that seems to be lacking in other mainstream blogs and publications.
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Post by md1347 on Sept 14, 2010 12:56:01 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that, md1347. Nice to read the recognition and respect that seems to be lacking in other mainstream blogs and publications. What that the ground breaking couple wasn't LuRe but was actually Nuke? and that's what the media could be concentrating on now that the show is ending? ... Yeah, I know.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 14, 2010 13:50:22 GMT -5
Of course the groundbreaking couple it was Nuke, LuRe was barely a couple. Don't get me wrong, i like Reid, and i like Luke and Reid together, but tptb were too coward to play them as a real couple (the same way they were too coward to play the gay triangle storyline). In my opinion both stories work not because the writing (that was awful most of the time) but the chemistry between the actors.
Nuke was such groundbreaking that make other soaps tried to tell gay storylines. Y&R was such an epic failure that it's a waste of time to comment, and Kish, well, the problem with kish is that in my opinion OLTL wanted Nuke second part, a couple that brings the ratings up, and even being popular Kish never was Nuke.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 14, 2010 16:58:54 GMT -5
So proud of Andy. Wonderful read. Yay. I really hope folks don't spam him with Nuke hatred over it. In terms of the lifetime of a soap, the Epic, on and off, long-term couples is what keeps folks watching and for me, NUKE was that. It was the first soap I ever watched and it was because of Luke and Noah and the connection between the characters and the actors.
I'm really glad to see this piece posted here.
Thanks y'all!!
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