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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 13, 2012 20:24:35 GMT -5
I think there are always going to be people who are specifically Brendan fans and will want him to be happy regardless. And I don't have a problem with that. Outside of his relationship with Ste I think Brendan is an interesting character who adds spice to the show. He's over the top and funny in a nutty kind of way.
I also know from years of watching sopas that if you change a character like Brendan too much, or in the ways that people say they want to see him changed the character will lose his appear for some if not most fans. That's just the way it is. Placing Brendan in a relationship or whatever it's going to be between him and Walker is the best thing that can happen to the character in that it allows Brendan to be who he is because he doesn't have to change for Walker. I get the feeling that Walker can and will hold more than his own against Brendan.
Ste is different becaue I think the character was always meant to evolve past his abusive state and become different because he wanted to change. He's going to have issues but they are different because he's different.
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Post by margarite6666 on Jun 19, 2012 2:51:07 GMT -5
I don't think they are going to put Brendan into a relationship with Walker other than Walker continuing to manipulate him which will climax in the Later episodes.
I find it very interesting to read what people think about the fans of Brendan and they don't want him in a relationship with Steven. I think it is fair to say that most of the Stendan, Stug fans are female. Why do many females like Brendan over Doug( who is now a decent bloke from the drug pusher). Its all about who your attracted to: the whole package, looks and personality. It certainly is not about wanting a 'macho' man. I personally enjoy watching 'Predator' and films like that because I find men like that flexing their muscles extremely funny. They are mostly 'acting macho' for each other not to attract women. I think most women don't like such men.
I was thinking about a comparison with Don Giovanni/Don Juan. In his little book he has over 5,000 names. All these women fell for his charms. Donna Elvira wants him to marry her. Donna Anna has Don Ottavio ( the decent bloke) but she constantly refuses to marry him. Apparently she has had sex with him ( I thought it was you when Don G gets into her room), but he can't offer her anything she needs or wants. Zerlina falls for Don G on her wedding day. Are all these thousands of women mad? They fall for Don G because he offers something they want and he is a rogue and enjoys being a rogue and is honest about it.
Bad boys can be fun and Don G is honest about who he is: so is Brendan: he said he doesn't want to be the ways he is. What I believe the writers are doing is setting up a choice for Steven. Brendan told us that Steven is passionate and lusty. Brendan is a sexual creature and up to now their relationship was based on sex. Emmett has said that there is still 'fire and passion' between them.
Doug gives Steven the emotional support that Brendan cannot offer: he is not however, passionate and lusty. What we will see is if Brendan can evolve to offer emotional support or whether Doug can offer the passion that Steven needs.
The producer has said that she wants Steven to be happy outside of his love life so I do hope that he splits with Doug so we can see each character develop separately before Steven makes a choice.
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 19, 2012 5:25:34 GMT -5
Does Don G beat his women after they make love? Does he crack their ribs, blacken their eyes or punch them in the face? If he doesn't then there is no comparison here.
And why can't/isn't Doug passionate or lusty? There is no reason why Ste can't get a decent guy AND passion and lust with Doug. This might be shocking to hear, but nice guys can be tigers in the bedroom.
To me, Brendan is harassing and stalking Ste and Doug. And like domestic violence, that's just not romantic. Brendan comes off as a pathetic loser out to ruin someone's else happiness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 6:27:28 GMT -5
Does Don G beat his women after they make love? Does he crack their ribs, blacken their eyes or punch them in the face? If he doesn't then there is no comparison here. And why can't/isn't Doug passionate or lusty? There is no reason why Ste can't get a decent guy AND passion and lust with Doug. This might be shocking to hear, but nice guys can be tigers in the bedroom. To me, Brendan is harassing and stalking Ste and Doug. And like domestic violence, that's just not romantic Brendan comes off as a pathetic loser out to ruin someone's else happiness. Amen
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 19, 2012 6:56:49 GMT -5
Does Don G beat his women after they make love? Does he crack their ribs, blacken their eyes or punch them in the face? If he doesn't then there is no comparison here. And why can't/isn't Doug passionate or lusty? There is no reason why Ste can't get a decent guy AND passion and lust with Doug. This might be shocking to hear, but nice guys can be tigers in the bedroom. To me, Brendan is harassing and stalking Ste and Doug. And like domestic violence, that's just not romantic Brendan comes off as a pathetic loser out to ruin someone's else happiness. ... Amen!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 19, 2012 8:03:22 GMT -5
Does Don G beat his women after they make love? Does he crack their ribs, blacken their eyes or punch them in the face? If he doesn't then there is no comparison here. And why can't/isn't Doug passionate or lusty? There is no reason why Ste can't get a decent guy AND passion and lust with Doug. This might be shocking to hear, but nice guys can be tigers in the bedroom. To me, Brendan is harassing and stalking Ste and Doug. And like domestic violence, that's just not romantic Brendan comes off as a pathetic loser out to ruin someone's else happiness. Brendan's just so special that he's exempt for being allowed to pay for his crimes. You're just being silly, Anthony. Brendan's unique. He can manipulate, beat up on those he loves AND still get his boy at the end of his journey.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 19, 2012 9:55:48 GMT -5
I don't see why Ste would have to break up with Doug to be happy outside of having a relationship. It may be hard to believe but people can be individuals while in a relationship and be happy outside of their relationship. You don't have to be single to achieve that.
Anthony I completely agree with your post.
Brendan is who he is. He's not going to change because he doesn't want to. Ste has given him chance after chance, after chance to prove that he can or is at least willing to change. And each time Ste has allowed himself to believe that Brendan can change or has changed he gets a smack in the mouth for it. Ste has grown so much from his experience with Brendan he knows what he wants and doesn't want and what he deserves and doesn't deserve. And he doesn't need Brendan's kind of passion, because that kind of passion extends to broken ribs, black eyes and broken promises. So no I don't want Ste and Doug to have that kind of passion. But passion comes in many shapes and forms. And just because the passion Ste has with Doug doesn't include getting punched in the face or making him feel like he's worth nothing without him, doesn't mean they don't have passion. It's just a diffeent kind of passion. Just as Doug and Ste have a different kind of chemistry.
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Post by jazz73 on Jul 3, 2012 22:46:25 GMT -5
Really liked these last few eps. Kieron, Emmett, and Bronaugh have been excellent. Everyone has been great. I have always liked Ste and Cheryl together. Their real life friendship shows IMO. It makes sense to me that Ste be there for both of them right now. To me the three of them (Ste,Cheryl,Lynsey) are the ones who he was closest to and with one of them gone they have to get through it.
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Post by vanessa on Jul 4, 2012 2:18:25 GMT -5
I wanted Ste and Brendan to be on better terms, so i'm very happy right now. I noticed there's still a spark between them. Love the way they worry about each other! It's so sweet! ;D
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Post by jazz73 on Jul 4, 2012 14:59:27 GMT -5
Actually I have to amend my previous statement. Everyone has been great except the guy who plays Ally. Every scene is going along but then he brings it to a stop. Delivering everything in that same monotone. I must have blocked it out. I would give him the benefit of the doubt but apparently he was the same on Neighbours.
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Post by ginia1110 on Sept 24, 2012 15:28:09 GMT -5
People seems to forget that Ste also did the same thing as Brendan. He hurt Amy countless of times I thought he was soo un-redeemable at that time. Yet with proper help he seems able to change. I think once Brendan finds resolution with what happen to him as a child, he'd be able to move on. I bet though, that process would move as slow as a snail. I cant say i dont want Doug for Ste though. They understood each other as friends and I like them because they have that. I'm actually very happy whenever I see Ste smiling at Doug sincerely. Doug has brought him confidence and Steven is very much assured of his love. Ste and Doug is then what you would often call an easy relationship. Not electrically charge romance or the mind numbing tingles that creeps up to your spine kind of love. Then here comes Brendan who Ste is drawn to. There are so many things that they differ, moral compass, principles, etc. But people with Ste's personality is typically attracted to guys who can lead them. In real life, Brendan would very much be flocked with women and that's a terrible fact. In school, don't you have those kind of bad boy? Playboy type of guys are hot commodity in real world. What they are to each other cannot be taken lightly. Ste must have felt like he has found something that he thought wasn't even there, a connection unlike anything else. I remember til now how their first scene started, without Brendan's psycho nature Ste was actually very childish with him ( like mimicking how he was throwing the coins to the glass without looking at it) they had a lot of fun together before. It was very real to him. I think those memories were the few but important reasons why Ste couldn't forget. Not because he wanted to be humiliated or abused. When we actually take sides between Doug and Brendan we are more likely choosing who is most appealing to us, because we as viewers wanted to put ourselves in Ste's shoes. I cant deny that I like Brendan with Ste more, as long as he doesn't abuse him. I dont wanna see Ste get hurt, but at least for now, with everything that has happen, we can tell at least that Ste has gain a lot of backbone. He's gonna be more than capable to led their relationship, if it ever happens, or learn how to be Brendan's equal. Brendan will still try to get the upper hand as usual, but the thing is, he is not that same 20 year old anymore, I believe Ste has actually gain experience during the years that he'd been going out with these other guys. I think once BB revolves his gender issues, It would be more likely that their struggle for dominance next time will be done in a fun/flirtatious way. Anyone naturally gravitate towards the one who has their heart. That kind of reflex is almost like breathing. The fact that Ste tried to stay with BB, grasping scraps of his affection even after they separated says a lot about how important that need is to stay by his side. The question remains though, will Ste settle for a platonic love and forever have eyes on his back only for Brendan, or do this suicidal dive with Brendan in the end and let go of something certain, like Doug? I wanted to say I'll just rely on the writers will, but I cant say I wont be disappointed if Brendan gets abandon in the end. I will probably cry buckets of tears, but then I know Ill be able to move on. So really, it will be okay after a few months.
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 24, 2012 17:43:25 GMT -5
It utterly astounds me when people compare Ste to Brendan. Yes, they were both abusers and that my dears is where the similarities end. First, Ste wanted the help, which is why it worked when he finally got it. Ste hasn’t to my knowledge murdered anyone. Ste is not a fucking psychopath. Ste actually has people skills. And…(this is the important bit people keep forgetting when they compare Ste’s situation with Amy to Ste’s situation with Brendan) after Ste changed no one wanted Amy to take him back as her boyfriend. Ste had to earn his way back into Amy’s life as well and those kids. And (and this is another important bit people keep looking over) Ste was willing to put in the work and it didn’t take him murdering his Nanna to get him there.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 24, 2012 18:18:25 GMT -5
Thank you, LadyA.
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Post by ginia1110 on Sept 24, 2012 20:08:23 GMT -5
For those who acknowledges Emmett J. Scanlan's versatile acting, pls. spare a little time to go and vote for him in the Category of Best Serial Drama Performance.
Go to nationaltvawards (.) com.
Voting ends in October 9, the event will air on Jan 2013.
He is up against tough competition from other shows too. From East Enders, Coronation,etc…. A total of 24 male competes in his category. NTA award is big.
Aside from our love and support, an NTA in his belt would be another epic bonus to give to Emmett next New Year.
So Vote now.
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Post by ginia1110 on Sept 24, 2012 21:03:52 GMT -5
No, dont get me wrong, i only meant the physical abuse, which is not on the same level btw, because what Brendan did was ten times larger. But what I wanted to point out was that Ste was also at that lowest point in his life, but at the end, with proper help, he was able to change.
What i want to say is that we dont know how Brendan will turn out. That's the part where Im most curious. Obviously, the writers are fond of Brendan's character too, so how will they write him after this explosion? Now that Walker is a "big situation", how is he gonna deal with him at the same time, how will it change him? There's a lot of why's and how's after what happen in Laters, and this is a very crucial place for Brendan now. Will he change or is he finally turning to the point of no return?
And as I've said, Ste has to decide who he has to let go. He can't keep them both. If it's Doug, he's gonna be in Brendan's shadow for most of their couple life, and who could tolerate such a thing? (Only Doug? hehe) He will be happy, but he will always hurt Doug by still caring for Brendan. He will feel and receive love, but it wont ever reach the same intensity that he had with BB. He will feel content that he did the right thing, but is it inherent in Ste's nature to choose the easy way? If its Brendan, the skeletons in his closet is enough to make another criminal cringe and back off, and Ste will have a lot of repairing to do if he ever chooses him. It will be extremely hard, but if they will be able to see each other eye to eye, then i think Ste would be willing to be there for him to risk it, again. Or it might not happen at all if the writers decided to make Brendan atone for what he did by dying for Ste's sake, an opinion which you guys have stated might happen, possibly.
I also see it this way, Brendan needs Ste as much as he needs air, its one of the major things that dominates his actions. It's obsessive, but it is there, it is real, and its not waining down. Ste has become his second most important person, like Cheryl. Doug, well adjusted as he is, would be able to move forward without S, but BB, I'm sure all hell it will drive him over to the edge. Ste is very vital for him to change.
But that horror he did at Laters, how will the writers deal with it? God, they made Brendan so complex and bad but his charm lies in the fact that there is no one side to his self, I can always defend and sympathize with his character, but at the same time, I am also well aware that he's evil and dangerous. Its like keeping a crocodile at your own backyard. You know they are capable of killing you, but you cannot help but keep them still because of their beauty and enticement.
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Post by margarite6666 on Sept 25, 2012 16:30:15 GMT -5
I think we will know where the writers are going with the character when Pa Brady comes into the show. At this point Brendan will have to deal with the abuse and so will Cheryl.
Brendan will also have to tell Steven exactly what happened to him as a child. There was a scene when Rae was involved when Ste put his hand on his and asked why he hadn't told him the stuff he had told Rae. Brendan threatened him if he didn't take his hand away.
Most fans want a really long conversation between Steven and Brendan so they can really talk, which they have never done. ES promised that this would happen. If there is any possibility for a relationship at all Brendan will have to tell Ste everything he did in Later. It will also give the writers an opportunity to explain his motivations.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 25, 2012 19:38:50 GMT -5
I don't think you can say "most" fans want Ste and Brendan to have a long talk. Please try to avoid generalizations.
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 25, 2012 22:01:57 GMT -5
I think we will know where the writers are going with the character when Pa Brady comes into the show. At this point Brendan will have to deal with the abuse and so will Cheryl. Brendan will also have to tell Steven exactly what happened to him as a child. There was a scene when Rae was involved when Ste put his hand on his and asked why he hadn't told him the stuff he had told Rae. Brendan threatened him if he didn't take his hand away. Most fans want a really long conversation between Steven and Brendan so they can really talk, which they have never done. ES promised that this would happen. If there is any possibility for a relationship at all Brendan will have to tell Ste everything he did in Later. It will also give the writers an opportunity to explain his motivations. So when Brendan explains he killed his grandma out of revenge (even if didn't mean to) that will make Ste want to be with him? That will be what gives them a real shot at happiness? God, I hope not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 22:22:37 GMT -5
So when Brendan explains he killed his grandma out of revenge (even if didn't mean to) that will make Ste want to be with him? That will be what gives them a real shot at happiness? God, I hope not. LOL! Ok, this actually made me laugh out loud, very literally. I suppose it wasn't meant to be funny necessarily, but damn, just imagining this, which I wouldn't put past HO at this point, just kills me right now. I have no idea why really, or maybe I do. Oh man, this show.
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Post by vanessa on Oct 25, 2012 8:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by vanessa on Oct 25, 2012 9:48:10 GMT -5
I think the kissing pictures speak by themselves! Edited for spoiler. -Z
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Post by LadyArmand on Oct 25, 2012 14:49:14 GMT -5
All they speak to is a kiss. They've kissed before, and led nowhere.
Edited for spoiler. -Z
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Post by vanessa on Oct 25, 2012 15:09:57 GMT -5
I've seen all the pictures in Dublin. Stendan look very happy together. ;D
Edited for spoiler. -Z
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Post by Zathras on Oct 25, 2012 19:14:44 GMT -5
Let's keep the spoilers in the spoiler discussion thread. Thanks.
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