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Post by Bonobochick on May 15, 2008 10:56:26 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused too... Where is Vanessa in all this? Anyway, But when Deniz insults* Roman too Marian feels completely justified in his attitude towards Deniz. *this is a particularly complicated term to translate. Literally it's something along the lines of "knocks him before the head" and means that he does something bad can be anything from doing something offensive, rejecting something that is offered etc. Closest is probably that he does something that takes Roman aback. Since when shows Marian any concern about Roman?? Actually, I think Marian likes Roman. He has since after moving day, Marian just didn't like Roman as Deniz's boyfriend cause he wasn't happy with his son being gay. That said, remember when Deniz first told Marian that he was with Vanessa now? Marian said to Deniz that he was happy for him but that he felt sad for Roman and then he told Deniz that had Deniz stayed with Roman, he would have eventually accepted their relationship. I recall that conversation cause I was stunned and very happy to hear Marian voice that to Deniz.
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Post by amber80 on May 15, 2008 11:20:35 GMT -5
Awww.... I completely missed that episode because I stopped watching after the Vanessa/Roman/Deniz triangle started. I hated that the writers took that road. Now I have to go back and watch it... I'm quite shocked Marian actually said that! I noticed they got along a bit better after the moving day but I never got the impression they were on really got terms. But I'm glad to hear all this.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 15, 2008 11:24:56 GMT -5
In all honesty, while Marian wasn't happy with his son being gay, I didn't get the impression Marian was all that thrilled with Deniz being with Vanessa. I'm not saying that he thinks that Deniz's relationship with Roman was just a fluke but I get the feeling that he's not necessarily 100% onboard with Deniz being with Vanessa; that Marian has doubts about it (much like everyone else it seems who sides with Deniz & Vanessa being together yet seem to not have much faith in it).
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Post by blueocean80 on May 16, 2008 16:09:25 GMT -5
Are the writers trying to ruin Roman's character once and for all? I mean, I know he loves De and wants him back, but abusing of him? When De is high? WTF?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 16, 2008 17:34:14 GMT -5
Are the writers trying to ruin Roman's character once and for all? I mean, I know he loves De and wants him back, but abusing of him? When De is high? WTF? I have been wondering that for a while too. I mean... it's almost like date rape that Roman is messing around with Deniz while he's high. I keep wondering that if the writers forgot about the love story in all of this drama & angst. Now we all know Roman wants Deniz back (and that's written terriblly, but that's for another day) and we know that Deniz is still attracted to Roman. W H Y do the writers think this is the approach to take for a reconciliation of sorts when they've laid the groundwork for a much more tasteful way to do it? *sigh*
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Post by blueocean80 on May 17, 2008 18:12:04 GMT -5
TBTP are going to ruin this relationship if they insist on going down that road. Seriously. I wonder what'll happen when Deniz comes down and realizes he cheated on his partner. Again. Will he feel sorry for Vanessa? Will he be mad at Roman? Will he ever forgive Roman? Will he dump Vanessa and get back with Roman? Gah! Too many questions. If I were in Deniz's shoes I'd think, "wow he really wants me, but do I really want to be with someone who's willing to do *anything* to get me back"?
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Post by amber80 on May 21, 2008 16:47:53 GMT -5
Those new spoilers have me completly confused... Nina and Deniz; is that because of the blackmailing? And like you said Lola, why blackmailing if things already ended between DeVa? And if DeVa is still 'alive' then why would Roman turning his back on Deniz leave Deniz all alone? So Roman is still in love with Deniz? Mmm... What a surprise... I'm really curious if the writers are intending to bring them together at all in the future; it really doesn't sound like that yet. But alas, there's always hope! O, and I didn't know Ingo had a daughter?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 21, 2008 16:47:53 GMT -5
Judging from the new spoilers Lola posted, seems like TIIC are going to completely tear Deniz down to nothing. Wow. I don't know how to wrap my head around not only Nina somehow trying to seduce Deniz (which should be interesting considering not only does Deniz not like her but he's never shown even a whiff of attraction towards her) so she can go to Monte Carlo but Deniz saying those things to Roman to the point that it would cause Roman to walk away from Deniz. Huh. This is definitely going to be angsty material and I feel for Roman. I don't know what to think. It needs to soak some more in my poor blonde mind. It is weird that Vanessa isn't mentioned so I am guessing that sometime between now and the whole drugs incident, she dumps him? Otherwise, why isn't it anywhere in the spoilers? She's like totally absent from any Deniz-related spoilers from after the Truth or Dare kiss. Hmmmm.
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Post by GayTime on May 21, 2008 17:00:36 GMT -5
am i alone in thinking that this has 'DENIZ REALIZES HE HAS NO MORE FRIENDS AND LEAVES ESSEN.' written all over it?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 21, 2008 17:13:20 GMT -5
am i alone in thinking that this has 'DENIZ REALIZES HE HAS NO MORE FRIENDS AND LEAVES ESSEN.' written all over it? Maybe... maybe not, though what's Igor's contract status again? Shouldn't he have another year left?? Anyhoo, I think they're going the Marissa Cooper route of tearing him down and trying to rebuild him. And I feel like Deniz needs to hit rock bottom before he realizes that his narcissism has cost him everything. Yes, glass half full here
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Post by GayTime on May 21, 2008 17:15:44 GMT -5
am i alone in thinking that this has 'DENIZ REALIZES HE HAS NO MORE FRIENDS AND LEAVES ESSEN.' written all over it? Maybe... maybe not, though what's Igor's contract status again? Shouldn't he have another year left?? Anyhoo, I think they're going the Marissa Cooper route of tearing him down and trying to rebuild him. And I feel like Deniz needs to hit rock bottom before he realizes that his narcissism has cost him everything. Yes, glass half full here does that mean that roman gets to carry him away from a burning car as he's dying? :-)
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Post by Bonobochick on May 21, 2008 17:24:50 GMT -5
Maybe... maybe not, though what's Igor's contract status again? Shouldn't he have another year left?? Anyhoo, I think they're going the Marissa Cooper route of tearing him down and trying to rebuild him. And I feel like Deniz needs to hit rock bottom before he realizes that his narcissism has cost him everything. Yes, glass half full here does that mean that roman gets to carry him away from a burning car as he's dying? :-) Hee. That would be an interesting sight. I hope not, though I was glad Ryan was able to do it. I don't wish the same fate for Deniz, though. But I think tearing Deniz down completely is the only way TIIC can really try to build a likable version of him for the future cause he's too much dick right now. Seriously, we need the 64k question answered about Vanessa.
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Post by lolaruns on May 21, 2008 23:56:51 GMT -5
Yes with some ex-girlfriend in France. He never really had access to her from what I understand.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 22, 2008 10:43:51 GMT -5
So it's the next day and I've thought a bit more about these spoilers and I still can't really get past WTF and my Marissa Cooper Theory. If anyone finds out what happens to Vanessa, hook a sista up??
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Post by Bonobochick on May 23, 2008 13:43:37 GMT -5
Thanks to Lola, I know that Vanessa is around in ep 461, though she's in Juli's storyline. So I guess it's safe for us to assume she and Deniz have broken up sometime after Deniz's Truth or Dare kiss with Roman?
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Post by lolaruns on May 23, 2008 13:54:12 GMT -5
The alternative is that Vanessa/the actress who plays her went on vacation after Truth or Dare kiss, before finding out about it. Nina is still blackmailing Deniz with the Truth or Dare picture. And Vanessa is only back in episode 461 and bugging Juli about what the heck is going on with Juli and Maximilian.
Guess we will know next week.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 23, 2008 14:03:12 GMT -5
The alternative is that Vanessa/the actress who plays her went on vacation after Truth or Dare kiss, before finding out about it. Nina is still blackmailing Deniz with the Truth or Dare picture. And Vanessa is only back in episode 461 and bugging Juli about what the heck is going on with Juli and Maximilian. Guess we will know next week. Hmmm. I was hoping for the break up. Don't take that dream away. It's already a bad day at work and I am feeling unloved.
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Post by lolaruns on May 23, 2008 14:09:14 GMT -5
It just seems unusual that it wouldn't show up in the spoilers at all if Vanessa did get to find out about t&d.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 23, 2008 14:16:24 GMT -5
It just seems unusual that it wouldn't show up in the spoilers at all if Vanessa did get to find out about t&d. Totally unusual but remember the whole "DeRo share a dance" mention? The spoilers are not the most accurate in detail but one would think news like that would make it in. Then again, WTF with Juli and Max being engaged? Isn't he shagging Lena and half in love with his sister Jenny
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Post by lolaruns on May 23, 2008 14:47:42 GMT -5
But that was overstating it, not leaving something out. After all in theory people reading up on the show years or months from now should get an approximate idea what happened when they go through the archives.
Max and Juli... it's because of Juli's dad. He doesn't want his daughter with Dr. Sommer and the Steinkamps need his money. So Max volunteered to blackmail Juli into marrying him. I have no idea why Max marrying Juli is supposed to be better than her being with Oliver. Aren't they like the same age.
Also, I thought Juli's dad was the brother of Mrs. Steinkamp. Doesn't that mean that Juli and Max are cousins if he is Mrs. Steinkamp's son? Or am I getting this wrong?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 23, 2008 14:52:38 GMT -5
But that was overstating it, not leaving something out. After all in theory people reading up on the show years or months from now should get an approximate idea what happened when they go through the archives. Max and Juli... it's because of Juli's dad. He doesn't want his daughter with Dr. Sommer and the Steinkamps need his money. So Max volunteered to blackmail Juli into marrying him. I have no idea why Max marrying Juli is supposed to be better than her being with Oliver. Aren't they like the same age. Also, I thought Juli's dad was the brother of Mrs. Steinkamp. Doesn't that mean that Juli and Max are cousins if he is Mrs. Steinkamp's son? Or am I getting this wrong? Oh, I am glad you're paying attention to Juli's storyline cause it usually puts me to sleep. If he's Simone's brother, and like you I don't recall, then yep, Juli and Max are first cousins. AWZ does love it incest. I'd still rather see him with Juli than Jenny cause of the ick factor Gabi, you know if Max & Juli are related?
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Post by Gabi on May 23, 2008 15:37:53 GMT -5
Juli's dad is Simones cousin, not her brother. I think he prefers Max as husband for Juli because he is a "VON Altenburg", while Oliver is only some doctor, no special family and so on.
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Post by lolaruns on May 23, 2008 15:45:11 GMT -5
I kinda got the impression that Juli's dad disliked that Simone married a Steinkamp, so why exactly would he think that Juli marrying Simone's bastards son is a great idea is beyond me. Especially if they are second cousins. But I guess if he is an artistocrat that doesn't phase him.
Oh joy.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 24, 2008 13:34:29 GMT -5
Re-reading the spoilers again (I am updating the forum calendar), I think that DeVa break up between 435 and 448, hence that first line in the 448 recap about Deniz missing Vanessa after many nights of partying. Just a theory...
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Post by lolaruns on May 24, 2008 13:36:37 GMT -5
Or Va's parents send her away during that time (mabye because of KILLERVIRUS) and he uses this time to party like crazy. You know, when the cat's away...
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