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Post by overtherainbow on Aug 1, 2009 6:59:07 GMT -5
I think Hayden is referring to Cisco and Ginés being the typical TV image of middle aged gays. somewhat effeminate and spiteful and conspiring towards Lourdés. Well, that might be, but it's hard to tell.. There's so few middle aged gays on tv. That's why I really enjoyed the Gines/Xisco storyline, but they don't get much screen time anymmore
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Post by lucrece on Aug 1, 2009 10:01:23 GMT -5
Well, always expect gay storylines to be lower priority than straight storylines; that will happen in whatever show has both straight and gay couples, by virtue of not wanting to alienate a heterosexual audience.
I don't find Gines that effeminate. Xisco a bit, but not that much.
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Post by lucrece on Aug 3, 2009 14:23:14 GMT -5
Ha, finally Alberto got a clue and behaved appropriately. I hate it when gay men get all fussy over straight men. Don't cook him shit or fix him up any juices, a better way to express annoyance than trying to control everything Fonsi does.
Fonsi is just a cute, dumb guy. Typical guy's guy, he's not that resentful, and expects that he can come and talk with Alberto after the previous event and expect that everything will be forgotten. It's a very typical straight male thing to do, while gay men and women tend to hold grudges more easily over petty arguments.
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Post by lucrece on Aug 4, 2009 12:49:41 GMT -5
Tamara is who will lead to Alberto's mistaken perception of Fonsi and the kiss, along with all the sexual tension drama that will probably follow.
She was talking to Alberto; and since Fonsi dumped her, she is getting revenge by misleading Alberto into believing that Victor and Fonsi have a thing for each other. So, if she can't ruin the friendship between Victor and Fonsi, she's gonna take aim on the Fonsi/Alberto friendship.
This very episode Tamara was pretty evil, only getting verbally pimp-slapped by Fonsi since she's so head over heels for him . In her conversation with Victor, she mocked his closeness with Fonsi, and kept teasing Victor about Ainoha and she kept laughing at him whenever they talked about him, how he would be like a lapdog to Ainoha, how he seemed gayish, and she threatened to tell Ainoha about the affair he had with Tamara. Mentioning the affair, she kept taking swipes at Victor about how lousy he was in bed, that she would almost fall asleep, and how Ainoha would tell her the same; this is how she introduced the accusations of homosexuality (she knows Victor's straight, but she wants to wound his ego).
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Post by lucrece on Aug 4, 2009 19:27:38 GMT -5
Oh, god, incest isn't really my thing *shudder*.
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Post by rp662 on Aug 4, 2009 23:52:44 GMT -5
I believe that at some point it is going to be revealed that Angel and Ainoa are not brothers, because the whole incest thing is not right even though it is possible.
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Post by hach on Aug 5, 2009 11:34:16 GMT -5
OMG how sweet was that! I started crying with Fonsi when he admitted to Alberto that he's missing him a lot. Poor Alberto, though, thinking that Fonsi meant the other kind of love when Fonsi told him he loved him the next day.
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Post by ivaniv on Aug 5, 2009 12:31:53 GMT -5
It says it's episode 32 and it is the same as yesterday. I can see just preview of 33 there so far
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Post by hach on Aug 5, 2009 12:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by ivaniv on Aug 5, 2009 12:46:09 GMT -5
And now it works for me too ;D , probably I had cached some old page or something
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Post by lucrece on Aug 5, 2009 15:14:50 GMT -5
Tamara's such a bitch. Alberto and Fonsi's friendship was going to go back to its beautiful platonic status, but her misleading ruined it =/.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 5, 2009 15:33:50 GMT -5
Well it was pretty obvious that xisco and Ginés are characters only for the mallorca setting. I think that more characters will end their run when the series move to madrid. Some of them like Ainhoa, Alberto or Fonsi have links in Madrid, so they are going to continue in the show
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 7, 2009 14:02:00 GMT -5
Well it seems that telecinco is moving un golpe de suerte to Siete, their tdt channel. For me that don't make any sense. They picking new episodes of the serie and then they moving for a secondary tdt channel with little audience
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 7, 2009 16:46:56 GMT -5
It's a very weird movement, because if the channel doesn't truth in the series the normal thing to do in to cancel the show, but they are moving to Madrid, and suddenly they move the show to siete. I have tdt only in one tv, so i don't watch too much tdt channels (usualy teledeporte). Siete is the channel, telecinco devoted to reality tv (the live parts) and old series, so i don't understand that
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Post by ivaniv on Aug 8, 2009 3:47:05 GMT -5
It would be great if they stayed online on the same website. I like most of the characters so it would be a pity if they just disappeared now. OK, I could do without Miguel and Nina's psycho ex ;D BTW what's the role of Elena? She's some kind of social worker, but why she's taking care of Angel? He seems old enough to take care of himself Also what did Fonsi say to Alberto in the latest ep? It left him with an open mouth several times ;D Thanks.
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Post by hach on Aug 8, 2009 6:22:38 GMT -5
I'm beginning to take my learning of Spansh really seriously now. ¡Qué bien! Esperemos que haya transcripciones de UGDS alguna vez. It would be great if they stayed online on the same website. I like most of the characters so it would be a pity if they just disappeared now. OK, I could do without Miguel and Nina's psycho ex ;D I could do without Tamara! She doesn't just annoy me, she's making me mad! Ángel left someone in a coma, I think, and is out of prison on probation. Alberto's faces were great. ;D Unfortunately I didn't understand everything of their conversation but enough. In any case, Alberto tried to apologise for kissing him the other day but Fonsi didn't want to hear or talk about the kiss ever again. In the last bits of their dialogue Alberto said he'd try talking to him again in the evening when Fonsi would have calmed down, and Fonsi said he was going to Ibiza with his friends. Alberto asked if it didn't bother him that he wasn't coming along and Fonsi said he's got friends he can go out with whenever and wherever he likes. Alberto then said something like "kiss my arse," to which Fonsi replied "You'd like that, wouldn't you? But it's never going to happen."
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Post by lucrece on Aug 8, 2009 12:33:21 GMT -5
He said "Que te den por el culo". Normally it would be a reference to getting a kick in the ass, but it can have sexual connotations if you switch the foot for a more phallic tool . In which case, he said "You'd like that (that someone would give it to him in the ass), but it ain't going to happen." I found it hilarious, because it might just be true. Alberto's been so annoying as of late, and I do think he needs to get laid in order to get off Fonsi's back.
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Post by ivaniv on Aug 9, 2009 1:54:00 GMT -5
Thanks, I thought Angel might have been on probation, but I didn't catch anything that would confirm that. He seems to have a problem with his temper. I think Alberto likes Fonsi, that's why he was so bitchy with him, when he saw him going out with Tamara. He made a U-turn in 1 second when he thought he could have him
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Post by hach on Aug 9, 2009 3:58:18 GMT -5
It would be great if they stayed online on the same website. They will! www.telecinco.es/ungolpedesuerte/detail/detail15421.shtmlNow let's just hope they don't restrict access to viewers from Spain by IP address, as was being discussed not long ago, I think. Alberto's been so annoying as of late, and I do think he needs to get laid in order to get off Fonsi's back. LOL Well, maybe that would help everyone who's involved but Alberto really has fallen in love with Fonsi and I don't know if getting laid by someone else can undo his feelings for him just like that. (Depends on how good that other guy is, eh? )
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Post by ivaniv on Aug 12, 2009 4:14:22 GMT -5
I do not know if I understood/guessed well, but it looked like Fonsi is not thrilled that Alberto wants to marry Nina to help her stay in the country. I think it's very selfish of Nina to accept something like that. I hope Fonsi can find some time in his busy schedule shagging Victor's mother and help his friend out of this ;D
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 12, 2009 9:05:54 GMT -5
Well, i don't watch the show anymore (in my rooms tv i don't have 7 channel), but i find that Alberto and Nina marriage tiresome. This was played forever, from Melrose place to As the world turns, and in other places you can argue that gays have no right to marry so they can go on this sham marriage, but in spain gays have equal rights, so this is really upseting. And all the incest storyline is tiresome and boring too, that was played in Al salir de clase and Los Serrano, both shows from telecinco, it seems that someone on this channel is really obssesed with incest
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Post by lucrece on Aug 12, 2009 9:08:37 GMT -5
I do not know if I understood/guessed well, but it looked like Fonsi is not thrilled that Alberto wants to marry Nina to help her stay in the country. I think it's very selfish of Nina to accept something like that. I hope Fonsi can find some time in his busy schedule shagging Victor's mother and help his friend out of this ;D Fonsi took the gesture as "payback" from Alberto, calling him resentful and other things in disdain. If anyone came off losing, it was Alberto. Fonsi's being really petty, though. He knows the thing is a sham, so why make a fuss out of it? Get the girl her papers and stop being so self-centered.
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 12, 2009 9:22:45 GMT -5
This is an interesting debate because I know a lot of lesbians and gay man (and I mean loads) who have married so that one or the other of them could stay in the country (US). A ton of my friends from Canada, some friend from Greece, Australia and a many from England. I also know a lot of gays and lesbians who have married each other with little or no bad effects.
I've only recently met other gays and lesbians who find it generally offensive and I've never understood why (their offense doesn't seem to have anything to do with a moral stance about "lying" to the government) so it's interesting to hear folks' perspective.
I guess I just think it's a means to an end and most of the folks I know (almost all of them in fact) have done the marriage of convenience thing so that someone's lover could stay in the US.
I don't have an issue with it from a legal standpoint because I don't think it should be anybody's business WHY two people get married (straight people who don't love each other get married every hour because of pregnancies, or business situations or money) and no one seems to care.
I know from my experiences with my friends that you don't actually have to stay married for very long (2 years tops usually) and other than convincing INS that you are indeed an authentic couple, it's not nearly as difficult as folks suggest on tv.
The Ameera thing on ATWT was complicated by the fact that Ameera was from Iraq and had made it to the US under questionable circumstances therefore she was suspected of being a possible, maybe, could be terrorist based solely upon those facts so they were Extra watched by the I.C.E.
But in terms of soap operas and dramas and even comedies in the US, people getting married because of immigration issues is just so common it not even funny.
I do understand that folks are upset that it's so easy for a gay man to marry a straight woman or a lesbian to marry a straight man in order to keep one of them in the country even in countries where gays and lesbians can't get married to their same-sex partners but that seems like a completely separate issue from the idea of "marriages of convenience for immigration" in general.
I don't see how Alberto marrying Nina hurts anyone unless there's something about her that he doesn't know or there's some indication that she want's to marry him for reasons other than just staying in the country.
The odds of Alberto meeting, dating, falling in love and wanting to marry a guy in the time it takes for them to stay married for Nina's citizenship to come through (I have no idea how long that takes in Spain) don't seem really high and if he did meet someone, he and his partner could just wait a little while to get married.
Anyway, it's interesting to see how many folks find the marriage of convenience thing to be offensive and I really am interested in others opinions about.
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Post by ivaniv on Aug 12, 2009 10:16:27 GMT -5
Nina should have asked Miguel, at least he could have made himself finally useful ;D I would never do that, but I don't have a problem if somebody else does that, it's their decision. I just think it can be quite a hassle and an intrusion into one's life for several years, depending on how strict the authorities are in checking on the couple.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 12, 2009 12:19:07 GMT -5
Well, i don't think any of this convenience marriages was a succesful storyline, Melrose place storyline was short and not significant, and Ameera is considered the worst Nuke storyline, and there's a lot of reasons for that, because the only purpose of Ameera was prevent Luke and Noah to have any physical contact (an Ameera was a very ungrateful character). The other think i find amusing is that they usually marry a girl they barely know. Yes, Alberto live with Nina and know her better than Noah knew Ameera, but what really annoy me is the fact that it seems that the only purpose of a gay character is serve an straight one. Alberto hadn't a proper own storyline since the begining of the show, in terms of air time he is as important as any other character, but the truth is that Yure, Nina, Pep or Fonsi, all had storylines when they are front and center, and Alberto was only a satellite of the others storylines since the begining My knowledge of soaps is very limited but i can't remember of a storyline when a straight male marries a girl to let her stay in the country. Maybe it's because i find a problem with this storylines who seem to be suitable for gay characters. In a foq forum someone suggested that in the next season, they can write something about AIDS in the Fer-David storyline, and i almost puke. Why do they do that when there are a lot of characters with more risk, using drugs and having a lot of sexual relationships. Because they are the gay characters, of course
To be honest, i never liked UGDS too much, from the begining i have a feeling of deja vu, like if i watched to show a lot of times before, so i can't say i really miss it
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