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Post by kevvoi on Jun 11, 2020 12:06:24 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on Jun 11, 2020 12:54:29 GMT -5
I must have missed something but why did Tyler plead guilty? He was innocent! Now not only is he (wrongly) on the sex offenders' register, he has little chance of holding down a job, has very limited options of places to stay, and can never be left alone with a child other than his own daughter.
If he goes to jail for this - he will be shanked. They hate child molesters in there - it won't matter that Tyler's innocent.
I really hope this show won't have him exit the show by perpetuating an injustice that is at least partly driven by homophobia.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 11, 2020 13:05:25 GMT -5
I know the show wants us to feel badly for Tyler and I'm sure some of you do. But I simply don't. I know there are those who will, who have, and who will continue to point out that the boy was of age and Tyler was no longer his teacher when they had sex. In my opinion that's not the point. The point is that Tyler had all the power in that relationship. The point is that the boy in question was not mentally stable, the point is that the boy was having severe difficulties at home with his father. The point is that Tyler knew all of this and still had sex with him. It's an abuse of power as well as a betrayal of his marriage. He took advantage of the situation and then lied about it. Lied about it for months. I've read here and other places that Tyler made a mistake and should get a second chance. I've seen people vilifying Iolo for not forgiving Tyler quickly enough, for being human and having conflicting feelings about the man he loved (and in spite of everything still loves), married and was betrayed by. Which gave me flashbacks to Christian and Olli when some people had an issue with Olli not forgiving Christian quickly enough. Using that as an excuse for Christian jumping in bed with the next chick that looked at him cross eyed.
Yes, everyone makes mistakes. But there are consequences to those mistakes and more often than not dramas like this brush those consequences aside in favor of putting the primary couple back together. In the real world there are some mistakes you simply can't come back from. There are some mistakes you will have to pay for, for the rest of your life. I think the show is illustrating how pervasive the double standard is. Because if Tyler had done this to a teenage girl who was of age and not his student any longer, who was mentally unstable, and having issues at home with her father/mother, I doubt I'd see as many people saying he made a "mistake". There would be more people happy that he had to register as a sex offender because he would be seen as more predatory.
Yes, this boy threw himself at Tyler. but Tyler was the adult, Tyler knew his difficulties at home, and Tyler if he was out of his depth (which he clearly was) should have stepped back and gotten this kid help. Instead he had sex with him making things a thousand times worse. Again if this were a teenage girl, there wouldn't be the same energy when it comes to giving Tyler a second chance or proclaiming that he's innocent.
ETA. This is about right and wrong. Tyler was wrong and there are consequences for that. To me this is about an adult taking advantage of a teenager no matter how willing we think that teenager is, the adult has to have better judgement and put a stop to it.
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Post by justinate on Jun 11, 2020 13:23:11 GMT -5
The fact remains that Tyler never committed a crime. He is paying for a crime he never committed.
I don't believe Tyler set out to have a sexual relationship with Aled. He genuinely felt bad for the boy, knowing his home situation. He felt a kinship because he also had trouble coming-out.
I agree that he should never have let it progress to sex, but the show itself tried to ameliorate it by having Tyler suffer a traumatic incident right before he succumbed to Aled's advances. It was never shown as Tyler "taking advantage" of Aled. There was never any depiction of Tyler preying on him. They never ascribed him those intentions at any point. I'm reading the show's current portrayal as shining a light on injustice, that's being driven at least partly by homophobia.
I don't think Iolo should forgive Tyler. Tyler did betray their marriage vows and commit adultery. Divorce is the right and commensurate consequence to Tyler's adultery.
But should Tyler lose his job, his home, his ability to look after children, and now possibly his freedom? When he never actually committed the crime he's been convicted of? Doesn't that strike you as excessive and unjust?
The genders or sexual orientations of the people involved doesn't matter. Justice does. And this is a blatant injustice. I want to believe the show sees that, which is why they have all these characters behaving like outright bigots.
You say Tyler was the adult. Aled was an adult too. He should be accountable for his own actions. He was a stalker and baby-napper, for crying out loud. He made false accusations to the police. And apparently he gets away free, while his victim - because that's what Tyler is, Aled's victim - lands on the register, loses his job, his home and now his freedom.
If you think this is right and appropriate justice ... I don't really have the words. You actually want a young gay man who's done nothing wrong but adultery, to lose everything and be sentenced to prison where he will be at high risk of rape, torture or murder for being (wrongly) branded a child molester.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 11, 2020 14:21:30 GMT -5
Tyler was in a position of power which created an inherent imbalance in the relationship from the beginning. Also Tyler having experienced something traumatic before having sex with Aled was an excuse. What he did was not and is not excusable. Aled is a teenager who is unstable (something Tyler knew) who was having difficulties at home (again something Tyler knew) and obsessed with him (something Tyler also knew). What convicted Tyler wasn't that he committed "adultery" what convicted him in part was that he lied for months. He made it seem like this kid was crazy and that he'd never do anything like this. And had Iolo not found out about what really happened and given Tyler an ultimatum he would have continued to lie. In court when you lie under oath, here in the states can result in a fine and or imprisonment.
Also, gender does matter to say that it doesn't is disingenuous. Because it perpetuates the misnomer that teenage boys can not be victims. Had this same situation occurred with a girl, trust me very few people would be taking about justice for Tyler.
And I never said what Tyler is going through is just or appropriate. I said I don't feel sorry for him. I never said what is happening to Tyler is right, I said that the response would be different if Aled were a girl (because gender matters, I agree it shouldn't but it does). I also said that there are some mistakes you simply can't come back from, because fair or not, justice or not, that's life It happens. A lot.
Tyler put himself in this situation and the lies he told to his husband, his community and to the court kept him there. He built the bomb that blew up his life. Now he has to find away to put the pieces together. He plead guilty because after having continually said nothing happened you can't then expect people to believe you (especially in a court room) once you decide to tell the truth (although Tyler didn't exactly decide on his own to tell the truth he was forced to). And the reason he lied is because he knew how the situation looked. Tyler knew it looked inappropriate because it is inappropriate.
Consequences are not always proportionate with the action that preceded it.
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Post by justinate on Jun 12, 2020 11:43:59 GMT -5
We're just going to have to disagree.
I don't think Tyler ever abused his position of power when he actually held it. There was no sexual or romantic relationship at the time. We were always shown it to be a one-sided crush, not reciprocated by Tyler. Yes, he knew Aled had a crush on him but the narrative was that he feared reporting it would get back to Aled's dad and make things worse for him at home.
I referenced the accident not to make excuses for Tyler's adultery (it wasn't excusable), but rather to explain why Tyler's judgment was off that day. If you re-watch the scene right before they slept together, Aled just kept pushing the boundaries, wearing Tyler down and telling him that he'll leave if Tyler kisses him. Obviously, Tyler was an idiot to fall for that but you were left with the feeling that Tyler just wanted it over with. He didn't look like he enjoyed even one second of their sexual encounter.
I, for one, would not be asking for justice for a young adult woman under these circumstances. Who even thinks that an adult stalking their prey for weeks on end is the victim? That's why I said what happened between Tyler and Aled had nothing to do with their gender (or their sexuality). It's not that teenage boys can't be victims. It's that, in this case, there was no crime committed by the older adult. If Tyler had been bi and this story had played out with a female ex-student, I would still be on Tyler's side. He's the victim here.
And while I can recognize that justice isn't always served, it normally is on soap operas. They want to communicate a moral lesson. But this is the first time I can remember adultery is punishable with prison. The problem here is no crime's been committed by Tyler - he isn't a sexual predator or child molester, yet they are serving him the kind of punishment those people deserve. And at this particular juncture in history, when there is an enormous movement for social justice, to see it fail someone from a minority (in this case, the gay community) is particularly unpalatable and feeds into the WORST kind of negative stereotypes about gay men.
If this ends with the bigoted villagers victorious in their hypocritical claim to be the moral champions, while Tyler is jailed as a sexual deviant, then they've failed spectacularly at telling a socially responsible story.
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Post by cybersparky on Jun 13, 2020 5:33:36 GMT -5
In terms of UK law,
so long as Aled was over 18 and not in education, then there was no actual crime committed as they are deemed strangers and there is no abuse of power.
If he was under 18 at the time then there is an abuse of power and because legally he was not an adult even though the age of consent is 16, and mental state or not Tyler should have had no relations with him at all, and any sexual interactions can be taken down the sex offender route. In fact he should have reported it, straight away and made his seniors aware about it but this is a soap and they want drama.
and in cases like this gender doesn't matter in the real world, boys are classed as victims and do get classed as victims all the time, that is in law terms, perception however is different, and there are many many cases where the genders of the perpetrator is reversed and if Tyler was female, they would still be vilified because they are a teacher.
good example of this was Becca and Justin in holyoaks.
For this case though yeah he had a crappy home life but, he knows right from wrong and was in fact not a victim in this scenario at all.
i cant remember all the details as i got bored of this show a while ago, as i got sick of the way IOLO was getting treated as a character.
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 16, 2020 17:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 9, 2020 19:41:16 GMT -5
Anthony posted new clips!
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Post by justinate on Oct 10, 2020 13:46:14 GMT -5
I just cannot deal with the 'twist' in the new episode. Tyler has completely lost the plot. No one in their right mind would see Aled as boyfriend material after everything he's cost Tyler with his false accusation.
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Post by dmagiclight on Oct 10, 2020 15:13:19 GMT -5
Any respect I had for Tyler is now gone
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 12, 2020 23:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by dmagiclight on Oct 13, 2020 13:27:30 GMT -5
Tyler needs go
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Post by cybersparky on Oct 15, 2020 13:56:08 GMT -5
so i have watched this for show for a long while now, i am am about ready to give up, i really hope Tyler get written off the show, and iolo get an actual bf whos not a bit of a douche, i have never really liked him as a character and this whole storyline just makes very little sense at all
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Post by carld2 on Oct 16, 2020 7:36:43 GMT -5
Tyler has a great ass. I don't suppose this is one of the soaps that ever has much nudity or skin...
So did this reunion with Aled just come out of nowhere? I didn't see the progression in the clips. I can't imagine this ending well and surely that is what we are heading toward (unless there is some type of vocal Tyler/Aled fan group out there or something?).
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Post by justinate on Oct 16, 2020 11:30:40 GMT -5
Tyler has a great ass. I don't suppose this is one of the soaps that ever has much nudity or skin... So did this reunion with Aled just come out of nowhere? I didn't see the progression in the clips. I can't imagine this ending well and surely that is what we are heading toward (unless there is some type of vocal Tyler/Aled fan group out there or something?). Hot tip: check out the actor's Instagram. He used to post a lot more risque photos before he joined PyC. Case in point: http://instagram.com/p/xAfhJSEY8G (there are other photos where he loses the thong...) And yes, as far as I can tell, the Tyler-Aled reunion seems to have emerged out of thin air. There weren't any hints as far as I could tell, that Tyler was even in contact with Aled before the lockdown brought the show to a screeching halt. At that point, Tyler was sleeping with different guys every night. So I'm not sure if this was always the planned story, and we just lost some buildup due to the cancelled episodes that weren't filmed over lockdown, or if they whipped this plot up to serve casting limitations, reusing an actor who had already been on the show before instead of going through the audition process for a new gay guy. They really needed to put a lot more thought into WHY Tyler would even entertain Aled after how Aled vindictively wrecked his life.
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Post by carld2 on Oct 16, 2020 13:46:02 GMT -5
And yes, as far as I can tell, the Tyler-Aled reunion seems to have emerged out of thin air. There weren't any hints as far as I could tell, that Tyler was even in contact with Aled before the lockdown brought the show to a screeching halt. At that point, Tyler was sleeping with different guys every night. So I'm not sure if this was always the planned story, and we just lost some buildup due to the cancelled episodes that weren't filmed over lockdown, or if they whipped this plot up to serve casting limitations, reusing an actor who had already been on the show before instead of going through the audition process for a new gay guy. They really needed to put a lot more thought into WHY Tyler would even entertain Aled after how Aled vindictively wrecked his life. Thanks. Gorgeous guy. As Iolo is also unconventionally handsome at least the show seems to not go for the usual bland soap casting. It would make sense if they cast because it was easier with restrictions. I guess the Grindr line was how they tied the stories together. It makes Tyler look terrible if he says he went to see him because he was worried about him and then this led to the relationship becoming sexual again as it just reinforces ideas of him taking advantage, whether he did or not. I guess that is not the intent of the script, but either way it's hard to see this ending well. I do wonder what the spoilers are... As badly written as all this is it's the most involved I have been in a new soap lately, so thanks all of you for the discussion and clips.
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Post by kevvoi on Nov 1, 2020 22:55:38 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Nov 2, 2020 0:40:22 GMT -5
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