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Post by nina87 on Mar 5, 2014 3:53:38 GMT -5
This is so unfair IMO, to write Menno as abusive. I was hoping his secret wouldn't be that. Menno going too far because he's frustrated by Lucas' behavior (Fri.,March 7), and then Lucas lying about his injuries (Mon. March 10). They really don't want to make Menno a regular, do they? Well it does seem very likely that Menno will hit Lucas, especially with later spoilers that he lies about how he got his injuries. What worries me is the later spoilers for that week that say that Lucas hopes his marriage is back on track, but that Menno makes a drastic decision. Then Lucas decides that maybe it will be best to turn himself in. Maybe Menno tells Lucas that he will turn him in if he tries to tell people about being hit? And what kind of message would it be sending that someone strong like Lucas would want to make things work with a man that hits him? Perhaps what happens is that Lucas and Menno fight and Lucas gets hit accidentally when something gets thrown in anger. Maybe Menno tells Lucas that they are over if he is not honest about his involvement in the boat incident and that's why he turns himself in. I really like Menno and Dave. Sure, it would be interesting to see that dynamic in an all-male relationship, but for me that would mean Menno wouldn't last very long on the show. Plus we already have Anton as the one with the temper issues who hits people. And it's cliche to me to have an abusive cop.
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Post by LadyArmand on Mar 5, 2014 8:20:53 GMT -5
Just because a person is "strong" doesn't mean they can't be the victim of abuse. Lucas has been through a lot, he is open, fun, strong, but that doesn't mean he can't be abused or that he can't in his mind justify what Menno does to him. Most abuse victims aren't weak willed or weak minded (that btw is a cliche), but something in them honestly and strognly believes that they can change the person abusing them. That if they say and do the right things the abuse will stop, and by the time they realize that there is no right way to act or right thing to say, it's too late because the abuse has gotten to the point where they don't know how to stop it, they don't know how to get out of it and part of them still is very much in live with the person.
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Post by nina87 on Mar 5, 2014 11:03:15 GMT -5
Just because a person is "strong" doesn't mean they can't be the victim of abuse. Lucas has been through a lot, he is open, fun, strong, but that doesn't mean he can't be abused or that he can't in his mind justify what Menno does to him. Most abuse victims aren't weak willed or weak minded (that btw is a cliche), but something in them honestly and strognly believes that they can change the person abusing them. That if they say and do the right things the abuse will stop, and by the time they realize that there is no right way to act or right thing to say, it's too late because the abuse has gotten to the point where they don't know how to stop it, they don't know how to get out of it and part of them still is very much in live with the person. What I was trying to imply is that Lucas is confident and independent. And he knows his own self-worth. He has taken abuse before from being assaulted twice, but I've never considered him weak. If they do go this route, for me Lucas would have to undergo a character transplant. Or they will really have to invest in the buildup for me to buy it.
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Post by LadyArmand on Mar 5, 2014 19:56:43 GMT -5
Lucas wasn't abused he was beaten up and while people don't think there is a difference there is. Abuse is the systematic and it eats away slosly at a person's self worth. It is not only physical but mental where they get to the point of thinking if only they had done this or said that they wouldn't have gotten hit. Abuse is about power and making the other person feel worthless and it can happen to anyone even someone as strong and confident as Lucas.
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Post by ari on Mar 6, 2014 0:46:03 GMT -5
I could see Menno making a drastic decision to try and protect Lucas by saying he was the guilty party instead of Lucas. That would show how much he truly loves Lucas and how sorry he is for possibly hurting him.IMO.
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Post by spherical07 on Mar 6, 2014 20:35:36 GMT -5
Menno's brother did allude to something dark in Menno's past, so I'm guessing he has issues with rage. Having Lucas be abused would be great material story-wise, because Lucas is very sure of himself and very outgoing, all of which would change if the character were being abused, that's if they were to make a complete story out of it.
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Post by nina87 on Mar 10, 2014 2:54:50 GMT -5
Well,on Friday (March 7) Menno did punch Lucas at the end of the episode. I didn't want to put it in the General thread since Mark hasn't done clips yet. They didn't show Lucas's reaction, so we'll probably see that on Monday.
Personally, I'm disappointed that they went this route, but it could be a good story if they play out all the beats.
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Post by music on Mar 10, 2014 17:24:27 GMT -5
Well,on Friday (March 7) Menno did punch Lucas at the end of the episode. I didn't want to put it in the General thread since Mark hasn't done clips yet. They didn't show Lucas's reaction, so we'll probably see that on Monday. Personally, I'm disappointed that they went this route, but it could be a good story if they play out all the beats. I guess it's official...Lucas is the resident punching bag of the show. #sucks #disappointed
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Post by nina87 on Mar 11, 2014 3:16:40 GMT -5
Last nights show was even worse. Menno was relieved when Lucas said he didn't want him to leave. Menno apologised and called Lucas 'sweetie' and got him a bag of frozen peas. He tried to explain but Lucas kept interrupting him, wanting to do chores and go to Dansatoria. They even had Menno buying Lucas a present to say sorry and Lucas even joked that he would hit himself sometimes because of how annoying he can be. I think he just didn't want to talk about it. Anyway, Menno came to Dansatoria again later and he and Lucas went home, so I really hope they talk about it. It looked like Menno was so shocked by what he did. He seems to be waiting for Lucas to tell him what to do next, but Lucas in kind of in denial IMO. Menno at least told Lucas to be serious and when he tried to blame it on himself and them just getting used to each other he did tell him it wasn't his fault.
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Post by dalphine on Mar 11, 2014 13:43:05 GMT -5
Has anyone heard from Mark? I hope he's okay. I know he has another life. I was wondering about him.
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Post by anthonyl on Mar 11, 2014 23:11:28 GMT -5
I think I'm done with this show. I didn't like the events after the wedding, but this is just too much. There are so many things they could have done with Menno and Lucas. Menno is ruined for me now. Thanks, show.
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Post by music on Mar 12, 2014 14:55:51 GMT -5
I think I'm done with this show. I didn't like the events after the wedding, but this is just too much. There are so many things they could have done with Menno and Lucas. Menno is ruined for me now. Thanks, show. Ditto! (but I'll probably end up watching)
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Mar 13, 2014 16:23:37 GMT -5
For anyone who was worried... I'm still alive. I've just been very busy so I didn't have time to do the translations. Next week I'll have time again so that's when I'll start catching up. About the current story line: Menno is not ruined for me now. He only became a more complicated character than he already was. And while I don't like the fact that he used violence against Lucas, I do think this could be an interesting and also important story to tell. Domestic violence is not a subject that has been done a lot on the show so I'm interested in where they're going with it. Some people will probably think I'm only making excuses for the show, but I don't care. This is how I see it. I think ultimately this will lead to a temporary exit for Lucas. His coma is three years ago so around the end of the season he will have to take a break from the show.
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Post by nina87 on Mar 13, 2014 16:44:37 GMT -5
For anyone who was worried... I'm still alive. I've just been very busy so I didn't have time to do the translations. Next week I'll have time again so that's when I'll start catching up. About the current story line: Menno is not ruined for me now. He only became a more complicated character than he already was. And while I don't like the fact that he used violence against Lucas, I do think this could be an interesting and also important story to tell. Domestic violence is not a subject that has been done a lot on the show so I'm interested in where they're going with it. Some people will probably think I'm only making excuses for the show, but I don't care. This is how I see it. I think ultimately this will lead to a temporary exit for Lucas. His coma is three years ago so around the end of the season he will have to take a break from the show. Glad to hear you are well. I think the domestic violence story could be interesting depending on how they go about it. It's something that has become topical on other soaps with gay couples, so I would be interested to see GTST's take on it. Since it's a night time soap they can also explore the topic more fully. For me, I don't really feel that Menno was ruined, I'm more concerned about this might mean for Dave's future on the show. I also think many people find it overkill that Lucas is being hit again. I was concerned when Menno bought Lucas a present, because that's a typical apology from the one who hits. However, tonight Menno was very mature about the whole thing, and I think he is right in saying that this is a symptom of his and Lucas's underlying problems. Menno is not a bad person, and I think it's good that he wanted to take a break at De Rozenboom, instead of Lucas running from Meerdijk. As you can see I've been fumbling along without your subtitles
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Mar 13, 2014 17:05:50 GMT -5
I think there's a nice opportunity for them to bring Noud into this story. When his father was married to Rikki's mother he used to beat her. That doesn't make him an expert but it's an interesting point of view. Maybe he will recognize the signs sooner than anyone else. And since Noud has very little to do right now...
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Post by dalphine on Mar 13, 2014 18:00:26 GMT -5
I'm glad your okay Mark, I had just ask on the board had anyone heard from you. I figure your real life had something to do with you missing in action.
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Post by LadyArmand on Mar 13, 2014 21:14:33 GMT -5
Mark, I’m glad to hear that you are alive and well, I was one of those who was a little concerned because of how well you monitor this thread. So to not have you around even just leaving comments was a little strange.
As for the show, I agree with you, Menno is not ruined for me. I like that they are making him more complicated and that they are complicating the relationship between him and Lucas. Am I thrilled about the hitting? No. But if done correctly (and in recent years on several other shows it has not been done well at all), it is a very important story to tell. I think people tend to feel that a strong independent person could never allow something like that to happen to them. More often than not, in domestic abuse storylines the person being abused is seen both by the show and by the audience as weak or damaged in some way. And while in the real world that does happen, the truth of the matter is that there are those who seem to have it all together, who are strong willed, opinionated, and confident who do fall into abusive relationships. The look on Lucas’ face was one of utter shock because he never saw it coming. Nothing about Menno ever suggested this kind of behavior or violence to him. And he was struggling to understand where that kind of violence could come from. As most abuse victims do when it first happens.
What makes this dymanic even more interesting to me at least is how much we’ve seen that Menno loves and adores Lucas and how much Lucas loves and adores Menno. How Lucas’ family has embraced him as this good guy who loves him and wants nothing more than to take care of him. Who went out of his way to make sure that Stefano was at the wedding to make Lucas happy. Someone who seems to understand him and doesn’t want him to change, even though he can be impulsive and childish, these were/are endearing to him. Who was willing to move into the Toko for no other reason than to make Lucas happy.
I’m also glad that you brought up how the show could involve Noud. Because of how “perfect” the relationship appears to everyone, I doubt anyone will pick up on the signs (especially if Lucas doesn’t want them to) that anything is wrong. But Noud has seen what abuse looks like close up. He lives with them and he loves Lucas. It could be a very interesting story if done well, and right now from what I’ve seen so far, it’s being played out well and Ferry is acting the hell out of this, I must say. His facial expression, his body movements, his shock, hurt and fear were palpable. I’m with you Mark, I’m going to give it time before I judge the storyline.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Apr 6, 2014 3:21:31 GMT -5
After the Wicked episode there's going to be another musical featured on the show. This time it will be Jersey Boys. They didn't give us a lot of info about the story except that Wiet, Rikki, Noud and Lucas will get a musical workshop from the cast of Jersey Boys.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Aug 28, 2014 14:24:58 GMT -5
GTST's cast photo for season 25. As you can see there's a new cast member. Trying to figure out who it is. BTW, I think I will upload another episode tomorrow. My goal was to catch up before the new season starts but I failed. GTST will be back on Monday. But since Lucas will be in New York for a little while I hope I'll have caught up as soon as he comes back.
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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 28, 2014 15:43:28 GMT -5
Nuran is gone? I didn't know that. I like that Lucas and Noud are next to each other. Often the placement in the cast photo bears a loose relationship to the story lines that will happen in the season. So I bet their stories will continue to intertwined. I'm hoping we get to see Lucas be just as good of a friend to Noud as Noud was to him. I hope they don't pair Noud and Aysen. That would be very expensive for me because of all the professional counseling I would need to deal with it. Perhaps Lucas brings the new cast member with him when he returns from New York.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Aug 28, 2014 15:47:40 GMT -5
We now know the character's name. It's Thijs Kramer. I believe he is mentioned in the spoilers in scenes with Lorena. Will post the spoilers in a moment.
And yes, Nuran left at the end of last season.
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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 28, 2014 16:03:26 GMT -5
Sounds like he has a connection to Lorena then. But perhaps he could be a love interest for Lucas down the road.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Aug 28, 2014 16:17:40 GMT -5
Lorena does have a half-brother we've never seen. Maybe this will be like how Jack was introduced. It took some time before Sjors and Jack found out they were related.
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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 28, 2014 22:31:52 GMT -5
I wonder what they're going to do with Noud next season. I'd love for him to meet a great woman and Nina gets jealous. Also, I'm still convinced that Nola is really Noud's daughter. Maybe that will come out this season.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Aug 29, 2014 1:15:32 GMT -5
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