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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 20, 2009 12:36:43 GMT -5
Ilene's a goddess. Did you know she was in the original production of Grease? She was the cheerleader, Patty Simcox. No way!!! From the original film with JT & ONJ
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Post by carld2 on Jun 20, 2009 12:59:55 GMT -5
No. The original Broadway production from 1972 or so. John Travolta did play in that version, eventually, before the film.
Layla going on about Cristian's pecs is always silly, as the man has a killer body. I think she just says that to puncture his ego. He needs to start walking around totally naked just so she can have other areas to focus on.
That reminds me of a story they had when his then-girlfriend's mother, to break up her daughter and Cristian, put cameras in his house and created an Internet site where people could watch him. Since this was a daytime soap, there was nothing too graphic, but lots of him shirtless...taking off his shirt...in a towel...shirtless some more.
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Post by davedoty on Jun 20, 2009 14:06:12 GMT -5
Huh. Brett Claywell is certainly aging well. He's not really especially attractive in those college photos, but now he has a certain nebbishy je ne sais pas.
Oh, wait. I just mixed Yiddish and French. Can I do that?
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Post by overtherainbow on Jun 20, 2009 16:06:36 GMT -5
But I found it a little weird that Kyle didn't actually push Gigi away when she kissed him. It's the other way round instead. I would have expected him to push her away given that he is gay. Yeah, I thought that part was a bit weird too.. Well, to be fair, he did say he wasn't interested before it happened. Maybe he was just in shock that she kissed him, LOL. He probably would have pushed her away if the kiss lasted any longer. Plus he did say he doesn't "play women"
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 20, 2009 16:19:39 GMT -5
It's not like all gay men think women have dog germs or something.
Maybe since Kyle knows he's gay and isn't interested in Gigi and therefore had no desire to go through with the sex thing, he wasn't panicked and reacted calmly or at the very least, not violently.
It seems like Kyle is is overwhelmed with guilt versus self preservation.
I think he really feels badly for what he's putting Roxy and Gigi through.
H has a lot of sympathy for GIGI and he doesn't want to be overtly mean to her or make her feel worse than she already does.
Just because he's gay doesn't mean he's allergic to women. I'm sure she's not the first woman to try to kiss him.
Gigi clearly felt ashamed of herself even as she was working so hard to try to convince him that she would sleep with him if he told her what she wanted to know it was obvious that she didn't want to go through with it.
I thought his response was perfectly reasonable given the circumstances.
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Post by harmonium on Jun 21, 2009 1:45:07 GMT -5
kradamantium2525: Of course I don't mean that (to quote you: it's not like all gay men think women have dog germs or something.) I mean if you are not interested in females and do not want to lead any female on, definitely the first reaction is to push her away. Unless Kyle is trying to conceal is sexuality, I believe almost every other gay men who see women hitting on them and kissed them forcefully would have pushed them away to prevent further complication.
And even if he feels sympathetic to Gigi that doesn't mean he has to accept her offer like that. There are other ways to show sympathy.
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Post by jnn111 on Jun 21, 2009 2:48:25 GMT -5
Thanks for all those clips final81 and bring on Kish!!!! Love the chemistry already :-)
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 21, 2009 8:19:17 GMT -5
I believe almost every other gay men who see women hitting on them and kissed them forcefully would have pushed them away to prevent further complication. Well, I can't speak for "every other gay man" or any gay man that I don't know. But the gay men I know would not respond the way you've suggested at all. Maybe it's a cultural or generational thing. I don't know. The gay men I know would think it was hilarious if some straight girl showed up at their hotel room trying to seduce him. They'd probably turn her down gently (maybe kiss her cheek) and then make her pose for a photo just to have proof that it happened. I don't think they would want to embarrass her or make her feel bad. Unless the lady was some crazed fruitfly cougar stalker who was following them around knowing that they are gay and wouldn't take "No" for an answer, the guys I know wouldn't be offended or feel threatened. But Gigi hasn't been following Kyle around or making repeated attempts to seduce him before and she wasn't a physical threat to him. Was Kyle supposed to slap Gigi across the face, call her a "Cad!" and demand that she leave? Gigi doesn't have any actual feelings or desire for Kyle and he knew it when he opened the door and that's why he was suspicious of her sexy outfit from the beginning. Unlike a crush situation, there was no danger of confusion. Kyle didn't kiss Gigi back, he just let her try to do her "seduction" thing and he didn't recoil in horror as if stuck by a cattle prod. I loved it. He let her spin herself into butter and just kind of watched her for a second to see what her game was. I don't think he was even thinking of going through with it and then Gigi chickened out before he even had time to say emphatically say "No". Even if he had, she so much she wouldn't even have noticed. Kyle did made a point of saying "I don't play women". I thought that was a great line because it could be taken to mean that he would never take sexual advantage of a women but it was also be a shout out to the viewers who've seen the spoilers that maybe Kyle doesn't "play" with women at all. Kyle needs Gigi to keep him out of jail so I think even if he had been "offended" by her terrible seduction attempt, he would still had been gentle with her so as not to embarrass her. I also think he seems like a genuine, sweet guy who's just made some bad decisions but not like the kind of guy to lead anyone on sexually for personal gain.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jun 21, 2009 8:22:59 GMT -5
I like this show. I've gotten into it now. OLTL is one of the best soaps I've seen. I like Y&R too. The writing on that soap is excellent. It's just a bit harder to get into, the storylines are a bit more complicated. The writing on OLTL might not be as good, but I love all the characters, they really make the show. Don't get me wrong, I like the writing on OLTL too, but I can see why Y&R is so popular. The writing is superior. Almost too good for a soap. I just like OLTL better, I like the characterization (sp?) on OLTL, and I love Fish and Kyle. They already have some great chemistry. I don't know about the Rafe plot, and I think the Rafe/Adam thing is a bit contrieved. It might turn out better than what I think though, so I will keep an eye out for that storyline too. Sorry for my rambling, I just love OLTL. I'm even watching it the days KISH isn't on, and that says something! LOL
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 21, 2009 14:01:01 GMT -5
I like the Kyle/Fish storyline so far but then I watch the show in entirety so I've seen the subtle groundwork being laid down for a while and I appreciate the headwriter throwing those bits in there. That's good soap writing! Actually, I pretty much like everything on the show currently minus the Morasco Fiasco. My fondest wish, as I just stated in the Y & R thread, is that folks stop comparing OLTL, Y&R and ATWT to each other and stick to discussing the show of the thread being posted in. (not knocking on you messyme as this comparison thing has alway bothered me, like when folks did it with VL & AWZ back in the day ) I am saying this now as a general warning of sorts. Not everyone is going to see all the soaps the same way, so better to stick with the one "in question" than debate about how superior or inferior it is to another soap as a way to talk about what's happening on it. I am all about taking a show on its own merit to praise it or tear it down.
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 21, 2009 14:26:19 GMT -5
I agree TPTB that control these different shows are often very different from each other as are the networks on which they appear and it is one of many reasons why they shouldn't be compared.
Yes there is something of a formula about how tv shows work but thing change over time and the way shows handle certain situations and kinds o characters also changes with the time
On another note, we shouldn't assume that just because folks watch OLTL that they are also watching ATWT. It can be alienating to some when the discussion veers away from the topic at hand or there's so much comparisons between shows
My own pet peeve is discussions about characters that are long gone from 20 years ago and have no bearing on the current story. It's interesting to refer to canon but not every viewer here has the same frame of reference.
I think people who watch the full episodes may have a better idea of how a couple or individual characters actually fit into a show because you have context for them. You understand what's going on around them.
Unfortunately (and of course) we're looking at these stories with our "gay storyline" goggles on so sometimes our vision is skewed by that and we're not really looking at these characters as part of an ensemble cast. A character might not have a ton of screen time (at any given moment) but they may still be very important to an ongoing plot arc (like Roxy here)
Each of these shows are so incredibly different in their tone, pacing, writing, attitude that I don't think you can use what happened on one show to try to exactly predict what will happen on another.
Being daytime soaps is really the main thing they have in common.
Anyway, I love it when folks just stick with the show the thread is about and what's happening on the screen because then everyone is talking about the same thing and we can all participate fully.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jun 21, 2009 14:41:00 GMT -5
I like the Kyle/Fish storyline so far but then I watch the show in entirety so I've seen the subtle groundwork being laid down for a while and I appreciate the headwriter throwing those bits in there. That's good soap writing! Actually, I pretty much like everything on the show currently minus the Morasco Fiasco. My fondest wish, as I just stated in the Y & R thread, is that folks stop comparing OLTL, Y&R and ATWT to each other and stick to discussing the show of the thread being posted in. (not knocking on you messyme as this comparison thing has alway bothered me, like when folks did it with VL & AWZ back in the day ) I am saying this now as a general warning of sorts. Not everyone is going to see all the soaps the same way, so better to stick with the one "in question" than debate about how superior or inferior it is to another soap as a way to talk about what's happening on it. I am all about taking a show on its own merit to praise it or tear it down. I'm sorry.. I know you're right, and so is kradamantium2525. I should try and keep it more on topic. I'm just tired of people always bragging of Y&R, when I think OLTL is very good too.. Oops, did it again.. LOL. I promise this is the last time though Anyways.. More on topic. Starr/Cole baby thing is blah, which is a shame, cause I like both of them, but the current storyline is oh so boring. I do really enjoy the Tea/Todd/Blair storyline though, it's funny, and I like the tention between them. I like Tea and Todd together. It's obvious they really like each other, but they still get on each other's nerves. LOL.. The Marco storyline is fine I guess.. The Gigi/Stacey thing is fine too. I already hate Stacey, and I've just been watching this soap for a week. Stacey seems like such a bitch! LOL.. Rex seems kinda stupid. I like Skylar. He seems like such an awesome guy! Kind and down to earth. Gigi should be with him and not that idiot Rex! I know Rex is her kid's dad, but still.. I'm sorry if I mixed up some names. This is all kinda new to me.. Just some questions.. what is the name of Marco's girlfriend? And what did Kyle do? Something about Gigi's baby and the bone marrow(sp?) donor? I have no idea.. ETA, and one last question.. I'll write it in beige, cause it's kinda spoiler-y: Is it true the character Griffin is really CJ Roberts? Will CJ Roberts be coming back? Who is he?Sorry, I'm new to this soap, so it's still a bit confusing, but I am getting into the different storylines more and more
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 21, 2009 14:50:05 GMT -5
I find Starr/Cole blah on their own but I like the impact they have on their parents. I am also very meh on John McBain. Stacy sucks serious ass. That's a character I really want to see killed off the show in a painful manner. Langston (aka Lang). She's Dorian's adopted daughter and Starr's best friend. See: www.soapcentral.com/oltl/whoswho/langston.phpHe falsified that Stacy was a match for Shane (Gigi & Rex's son) for the marrow transplant per being blackmailed by Stacy & Roxy about who the real donor is (who is likely Rex's father but who that is remains a mystery). See: www.soapcentral.com/oltl/whoswho/kyle.phpAs far as I know, the spoilery question is speculation at this point. Maybe new info's been released confirming but I've not seen it.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jun 21, 2009 15:03:39 GMT -5
I find Starr/Cole blah on their own but I like the impact they have on their parents. I am also very meh on John McBain. Stacy sucks serious ass. That's a character I really want to see killed off the show in a painful manner. Langston (aka Lang). She's Dorian's adopted daughter and Starr's best friend. See: www.soapcentral.com/oltl/whoswho/langston.phpHe falsified that Stacy was a match for Shane (Gigi & Rex's son) for the marrow transplant per being blackmailed by Stacy & Roxy about who the real donor is (who is likely Rex's father but who that is remains a mystery). See: www.soapcentral.com/oltl/whoswho/kyle.phpAs far as I know, the spoilery question is speculation at this point. Maybe new info's been released confirming but I've not seen it. Thanks for the answers, I get easily confused, because this is all kinda new to me. I'll try and read up on the characters, that might probably help
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Post by floatilla on Jun 21, 2009 16:14:29 GMT -5
Well, I can't speak for "every other gay man" or any gay man that I don't know. But the gay men I know would not respond the way you've suggested at all. Maybe it's a cultural or generational thing. I don't know. Speaking from personal experience, as a gay woman who is around many gay men..... we have occasionally dabbled in alcohol induced makeout sessions. Never in a sexual way, just for fun. Thought i'd share.. I for one am looking forward to how this s/l will play out. My one hope is that they wont do the pulling teeth coming out story. Not to overly simplify things but I think we are past that...
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Post by final81 on Jun 21, 2009 18:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by harmonium on Jun 22, 2009 1:50:52 GMT -5
final81: That's such a cute picture!!
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 22, 2009 13:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by final81 on Jun 22, 2009 15:39:10 GMT -5
Scott Evans' Adovcate interview www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid92506.aspThe show had announced that Fish and semi bad-boy Kyle Lewis are set to be a romantic pairing, and that in the coming weeks (Advocate.com has learned exclusively) Fish’s ‘roomie’, Christian Vega, witnesses a same-sex kiss involving him. The powers-that-be at One Life have stated that each week a little more of the story will be revealed until it kicks into high gear at the end of this month.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 22, 2009 17:31:53 GMT -5
Interesting: the bit about Cris seeing a same-sex kiss, presumably between Fish and Kyle, is no longer in the article....
Still, it's a terrific interview; Scott seems to be such a wonderful guy, his comments about the story, his family and his own humility are just utterly, utterly charming!
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Post by dkp on Jun 22, 2009 18:18:51 GMT -5
I just noticed they edited that paragraph too. I think someone spoiled something they wasn't supposed too and had to remove it. LOL
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Post by final81 on Jun 23, 2009 9:15:57 GMT -5
SOD Spoilers
Fish and Kyle's Secret Past
Fish runs into Kyle on his way to a date with Layla at Capricorn. Kyle gloats to Fish that Natalie and Jared dropped the charges, but Fish isn't impressed. Kyle says to Fish that he thought him of all people would see that things aren't always as they seem. Fish distracts himself by kissing Layla as the tension builds. Kyle sticks around the bar. When is a drink is sent his way he says thanks, but there's someone he has his eye on. BC (Kyle) says it's not hard to read between the lines.
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Post by valso on Jun 23, 2009 11:13:28 GMT -5
Thanks as always final81! Am I the only one who is becoming more interested in Kish storyline everytime I got a new spoiler? It seems to me that they're building up the story in a good way.
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Post by maya on Jun 23, 2009 11:34:55 GMT -5
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Post by cheerios on Jun 23, 2009 11:35:22 GMT -5
When are they actually going to get to their history and them actually flirting around the first kiss-like August?
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