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Post by carld2 on Jul 1, 2008 10:39:09 GMT -5
How do you feel about all this with Tina? I feel sorry for her and the baby, of course, but I just don't care about anything involving this character. It's odd that several characters I have high regard for (Russ, Tony, Jacqui) are in the story and yet I don't care.
Aside from the absence of Max's mother, the episodes about his loved ones grieving have continued to be moving. I'm glad they didn't have OB leave again right after Max's death. He at least has a few more weeks. I like how he and Steph are both hurting so much because they both loved Max so much, in such different ways. I liked how Tony wanted to make Niall pay, then collapsed in Jack's arms. He'd seen Max grow up, he'd been there with Max through just about everything, and now, in an instant, Max is dead.
I also thought highly of the scenes where OB told Jack and Darren how his last words to Max were "Don't be gay," how he couldn't even tell his best friend he loved him. Those scenes reminded me of the end of the Celluloid Closet, when they showed a clip from the silent movie Wings of a man kissing his dying friend, and the narrator said there was a time when men could show each other affection without being afraid. Over the years they've joked around sometimes about OB and Max being seen as a couple, or pretending to be a couple, but it was a brave decision to play up and address that insecurity and unwitting fear that so many men are taught to have.
Another thing that sets Hollyoaks apart is how good most of the actors are at crying. Some shows have the glycerine tears, or people who weep and weep and yet magically their eyes are dry. Tony, Darren, Steph, and others, they put us in that moment because their grief seemed so real.
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Post by quan87 on Jul 11, 2008 20:05:19 GMT -5
I just saw the episode of Max funeral, that was some good stuff.
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Post by cakefan on Jul 12, 2008 4:45:00 GMT -5
How do you feel about all this with Tina? I feel sorry for her and the baby, of course, but I just don't care about anything involving this character. It's odd that several characters I have high regard for (Russ, Tony, Jacqui) are in the story and yet I don't care. Aside from the absence of Max's mother, the episodes about his loved ones grieving have continued to be moving. I'm glad they didn't have OB leave again right after Max's death. He at least has a few more weeks. I like how he and Steph are both hurting so much because they both loved Max so much, in such different ways. I liked how Tony wanted to make Niall pay, then collapsed in Jack's arms. He'd seen Max grow up, he'd been there with Max through just about everything, and now, in an instant, Max is dead. I also thought highly of the scenes where OB told Jack and Darren how his last words to Max were "Don't be gay," how he couldn't even tell his best friend he loved him. Those scenes reminded me of the end of the Celluloid Closet, when they showed a clip from the silent movie Wings of a man kissing his dying friend, and the narrator said there was a time when men could show each other affection without being afraid. Over the years they've joked around sometimes about OB and Max being seen as a couple, or pretending to be a couple, but it was a brave decision to play up and address that insecurity and unwitting fear that so many men are taught to have. Another thing that sets Hollyoaks apart is how good most of the actors are at crying. Some shows have the glycerine tears, or people who weep and weep and yet magically their eyes are dry. Tony, Darren, Steph, and others, they put us in that moment because their grief seemed so real. The episodes concerning Max have indeed been very moving, and have given many Hollyoaks actors and actresses the chance to show their worth. I never watched the show before John Paul came on it and didn't even know who Max was until Steph and Niall and Kieron and John Paul caught eachother but yet I haven't been able to keep my eyes dry during the aftermath of Max' death. Carley Stenson has just been amazing... Re: Tina. The storyline in itself is interesting and raises legitimate concerns about surrogacy but Tina and Dom are just the most boring characters in history. There is nothing interesting about them and so it is difficult to care about what happens to them. I do feel for Tina at the moment, she has been a bit more of a fighter during the last episodes, and Jacqui has annoyed me endlessly throughout this whole storyline - the amount of selfishness from her has just been.... urrrgghh. Dom, on the other hand, I couldn't care less about him. I am really looking forward to the episodes where the betrayal with Russ comes out and Tina gets revealed as a real McQueen...
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Post by amber80 on Jul 16, 2008 9:59:56 GMT -5
I just saw the episode of Max funeral, that was some good stuff. I've finally watched that episode and all the OB/Steph/Tom scenes after that... Really impressing. I kept crying...
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Post by carld2 on Jul 16, 2008 19:06:43 GMT -5
OB saying goodbye and seeing Max one last time (and Steph not seeing him) was what really got me. That song...haunting.
When OB joked about never having such a large female fan club, I was reminded of just how female-dominated Hollyoaks is becoming, as more and more of the men are leaving. I wonder if they're going to try to bring back a balance (Ravi isn't the greatest start). They should just give Zak and Rhys and Gilly more to do.
One bonus of the lack of other male characters is we get to see more of Darren and Jack. Such phenomenal work from two very underrated actors. What I like about Darren and Mercedes is they're not all good or all bad.
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Post by cakefan on Jul 17, 2008 3:01:17 GMT -5
OB saying goodbye and seeing Max one last time (and Steph not seeing him) was what really got me. That song...haunting. When OB joked about never having such a large female fan club, I was reminded of just how female-dominated Hollyoaks is becoming, as more and more of the men are leaving. I wonder if they're going to try to bring back a balance (Ravi isn't the greatest start). They should just give Zak and Rhys and Gilly more to do. One bonus of the lack of other male characters is we get to see more of Darren and Jack. Such phenomenal work from two very underrated actors. What I like about Darren and Mercedes is they're not all good or all bad. Zak, Rhys, Gilly, AND Kris, Russ, Elliot...
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Post by quan87 on Jul 17, 2008 22:42:27 GMT -5
When is Russ is going to figure out that baby Max is his. I remember a couple of months ago he thought there was a possibility that Tina was pregnant with his child but of course that was thrown out of the window.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 18, 2008 17:38:01 GMT -5
When OB joked about never having such a large female fan club, I was reminded of just how female-dominated Hollyoaks is becoming, as more and more of the men are leaving. I wonder if they're going to try to bring back a balance (Ravi isn't the greatest start). They should just give Zak and Rhys and Gilly more to do. One of the problems is that the storylines are nearly always female led and the guys usually just play the incidental to the storyline roles. The only male ones I can think of, off the top of my head, who led the storylines were Max & OB and JP/C or JP/K. I think it also has something to do with the fact that so many storylines are "McQueen" centered and them being nearly an all female clan.....
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Post by Simone on Jul 18, 2008 21:29:28 GMT -5
When is Russ is going to figure out that baby Max is his. I remember a couple of months ago he thought there was a possibility that Tina was pregnant with his child but of course that was thrown out of the window. Same question that I have here. It is amazing how the writers never followed up on Russ' suspicions about the baby. I can't believe how they are dragging out this tedious story.
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Post by Simone on Jul 29, 2008 8:46:12 GMT -5
More good work from Ashley. I love how he is playing Darren barely holding himself together. When Darren broke down in Frankie's arms, I almost sobbed. He is a wreck. This whole thing with Jack is going to blow up in his face.
Great to have Malachy back. I find him totally hot and sexy in a regular guy kind of way.
Gawd, when will Tina open her mouth and tell Russ the truth about the baby. They have such a good vibe when they are together. Tina smiles unlike when she is with Dom. At least, she seems finally determined to get on with a career.
Ste got lucky that Mike left him alive after he admitted to beating Amy multiple times.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 29, 2008 20:11:28 GMT -5
I'm so glad that Ste got his ass BEAT DOWN by Mike. Yes, Ste comes from an abusive home life, but he released his anger and frustration on the wrong person.
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Post by carld2 on Jul 29, 2008 21:57:26 GMT -5
Has Malachy let the grey come back into his hair? He looked sexier that way.
Isn't it nice that Sarah made Amy's beating all about herself, and also dragged Craig's name in? What a supportive sister.
Ass-kicking Barnesy is my favorite type. ;D
I think they've done a good job of making sure Ste isn't too much of an evil caricature, he seems human, flawed, with the potential to eventually become a better person.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 29, 2008 21:59:28 GMT -5
Has Malachy let the grey come back into his hair? He looked sexier that way. Isn't it nice that Sarah made Amy's beating all about herself, and also dragged Craig's name in? What a supportive sister. I haven't watched it but I am sooooo not surprised. Remember when she made Rhys & Beth's affair all about her when Hannah was crying her eyes out about it? Gah, Sarah is such a self-absorbed ninny.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 30, 2008 15:05:20 GMT -5
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Post by cheerios on Aug 6, 2008 13:23:23 GMT -5
Has Malachy let the grey come back into his hair? He looked sexier that way. Isn't it nice that Sarah made Amy's beating all about herself, and also dragged Craig's name in? What a supportive sister. I haven't watched it but I am sooooo not surprised. Remember when she made Rhys & Beth's affair all about her when Hannah was crying her eyes out about it? Gah, Sarah is such a self-absorbed ninny. Yeah my favorite was when Hannah was still dealing with her eating problem. Sarah shows up in this little dress looking great, when your friend has huge self issues, you don't show up looking like a model. You show up in baggy sweats and a old shirt or something that doesn't make her feel worse. And then with JP show up all she cared about was yelling at him not even noticing the fact that Hannah couldn't breathe. Does anyone else think that since the actor who plays Hannah's love interest Danny was fired that it will be a love triangle between Hannah, Elliot, and Sarah? I mean I know Elliot is gone for Sarah, but I heard that he doesn't like her behavior on certain things and he could see the goodness of Hannah.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 6, 2008 13:44:38 GMT -5
Yeah my favorite was when Hannah was still dealing with her eating problem. Sarah shows up in this little dress looking great, when your friend has huge self issues, you don't show up looking like a model. You show up in baggy sweats and a old shirt or something that doesn't make her feel worse. And then with JP show up all she cared about was yelling at him not even noticing the fact that Hannah couldn't breathe. Does anyone else think that since the actor who plays Hannah's love interest Danny was fired that it will be a love triangle between Hannah, Elliot, and Sarah? I mean I know Elliot is gone for Sarah, but I heard that he doesn't like her behavior on certain things and he could see the goodness of Hannah. I agree about Sarah's behavior when Hannah was having trouble breathing. At least the show has been consistent with her behavior. She also showed the same "it's all about me attitude" when she confronted Hannah about her eating disorder. As far as Elliot and Hanna, there have been reports that Hannah will get a new love interest, but I doubt it will be Elliot. She and Danny broke up weeks ago, so his being fired is really not an issue.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 6, 2008 14:00:57 GMT -5
I was finally able to watch yesterday's HO episode. Grr. Agh. Myra, has yet again pissed me off, with her attitude and comments towards Kieron. Here he is, YET AGAIN, extending himself and his ear in FRIENDSHIP (not about him "pretending to be a Priest"), when she's clearly in need of someone to talk to and she's still "all about feeling betrayed". He even tries to get her to see her own son. Oh, yes. He's a master manipulator. I also thought it was VERY TACKY that she made herself a "goody bag" from Jack's funeral. I find it very strange that the writers haven't acknowledged the fact that Craig was, yet again MIA from another MAJOR family gathering. They couldn't have Frankie and/or Steph make mention that they TRIED to contact Craig, but he couldn't get home THIS TIME for his stepfather's funeral. Something. Anything. It's not like NO ONE knows that Guy's coming back to the show, but they could have LEAST made an effort to stress that Craig gives a shit about his family.
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Post by cheerios on Aug 6, 2008 14:03:25 GMT -5
Yeah my favorite was when Hannah was still dealing with her eating problem. Sarah shows up in this little dress looking great, when your friend has huge self issues, you don't show up looking like a model. You show up in baggy sweats and a old shirt or something that doesn't make her feel worse. And then with JP show up all she cared about was yelling at him not even noticing the fact that Hannah couldn't breathe. Does anyone else think that since the actor who plays Hannah's love interest Danny was fired that it will be a love triangle between Hannah, Elliot, and Sarah? I mean I know Elliot is gone for Sarah, but I heard that he doesn't like her behavior on certain things and he could see the goodness of Hannah. I agree about Sarah's behavior when Hannah was having trouble breathing. At least the show has been consistent with her behavior. She also showed the same "it's all about me attitude" when she confronted Hannah about her eating disorder. As far as Elliot and Hanna, there have been reports that Hannah will get a new love interest, but I doubt it will be Elliot. She and Danny broke up weeks ago, so his being fired is really not an issue. See this is why I need to keep up with the spoilers. I really hope that Elliot gets Sarah to stop being so selfish and self-center. Please tell me that Tina tells Russ about Max soon. I don't know if I want them as a couple, but I do know I want Tina to get her son back. Jacqui needs to be the big sister and not put Tina through this. A blind man can see how much Tina loves her son and wants him back.
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 6, 2008 14:19:24 GMT -5
I agree about Sarah's behavior when Hannah was having trouble breathing. At least the show has been consistent with her behavior. She also showed the same "it's all about me attitude" when she confronted Hannah about her eating disorder. As far as Elliot and Hanna, there have been reports that Hannah will get a new love interest, but I doubt it will be Elliot. She and Danny broke up weeks ago, so his being fired is really not an issue. See this is why I need to keep up with the spoilers. I really hope that Elliot gets Sarah to stop being so selfish and self-center. Please tell me that Tina tells Russ about Max soon. I don't know if I want them as a couple, but I do know I want Tina to get her son back. Jacqui needs to be the big sister and not put Tina through this. A blind man can see how much Tina loves her son and wants him back. Cherrios, check the spoiler posts. As for Elliot, I would rather see him with Hannah and not Sarah. It's not just because I like Hannah and I think Sarah's a self-absorbed twit, but I also recall how badly Sarah treated Elliot when he had the big crush on her to the point that she fucked some other guy IN ELLIOT'S BED purposely then tried to blame the greasy haired guy she screwed for Elliot finding them at it and thus absolving herself of any blame even though she set the whole tryst location up! The whole situation with Rhys & Beth's affair being outed with Hannah in tears and shock... Hannah, a recovering anorexic who almost died... and all Sarah could say is that she thought everyone was having a laugh at her because he went out with Rhys a few times while the affair was going on. All this said, Nancy still sucks more than Sarah IMO, but if either ever left town, I would throw a party. I like Tina/Russ together, partially because there's a nice spark there but also because Dom is sooooo weak and needy.
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Post by cheerios on Aug 6, 2008 15:00:06 GMT -5
Yeah, Elliot deserves someone better. Someone who cares about him, and won't let their head be turn by some guy. I think Sarah's feeling for Elliot are a mix of she genuinely does like him because he's a good guy and because she can't have him at the moment. I don't think Sarah has put a lot of thought into this.
I'm confused on two things, why is Jacqui insisting Tina keep the truth about Max a secret? Does she really want a baby that bad or does she just want to keep Tony?
And I thought Zoe was pregnant and Mike freaked out about it. Was she ever pregnant and if so, is she still? What's going on with these two?
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 6, 2008 15:12:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Zoe's pregnancy storyline has started yet, Cherrios.
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Post by cheerios on Aug 6, 2008 15:14:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Zoe's pregnancy storyline has started yet, Cherrios. Wow I'm really bad at this...sorry.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 6, 2008 16:05:49 GMT -5
No problem, Cherrios.
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Post by cheerios on Aug 6, 2008 19:24:08 GMT -5
I was finally able to watch yesterday's HO episode. Grr. Agh. Myra, has yet again pissed me off, with her attitude and comments towards Kieron. Here he is, YET AGAIN, extending himself and his ear in FRIENDSHIP (not about him "pretending to be a Priest"), when she's clearly in need of someone to talk to and she's still "all about feeling betrayed". He even tries to get her to see her own son. Oh, yes. He's a master manipulator. I also thought it was VERY TACKY that she made herself a "goody bag" from Jack's funeral. I find it very strange that the writers haven't acknowledged the fact that Craig was, yet again MIA from another MAJOR family gathering. They couldn't have Frankie and/or Steph make mention that they TRIED to contact Craig, but he couldn't get home THIS TIME for his stepfather's funeral. Something. Anything. It's not like NO ONE knows that Guy's coming back to the show, but they could have LEAST made an effort to stress that Craig gives a shit about his family. Yeah Craig should had been mention in passing. Two major family deaths in such a short span should bring him home. Especially since Craig and Jack were so close. I can understand him not being there for Max, but Jack is another story. Something else I want to know, how with the Deans loosing the Dog are they paying for Craig's Trinity stay? I know it's a very nice school and it most cost a pretty penny to attend. Plus the flat he's living in, was being paid by Jack as well. And I love Myra and she has a right to be angry. But enough is enough, I just wanted to smack her when she has food from the funeral in her purse and she then coldly tells Kieron that God is always watching. Myra really have you taken a good long look at yourself in the mirror lately? She really comes across, as do as I say, not as I do. And isn't really God all about forgiveness. I remember the story of Jesus and the people who wanted to stone a woman to death. Jesus said basically said, those of you haven't sinned may cast the first stone. No one did anything because they had all made mistakes and learned from them. We are all human and we hope that there are people who will forgive and forget when we stumble. Kieron was just being himself, not a priest, when he try to be there for Myra. He's a kind man who cares about her and is in love with her son. So it makes sense that he would extend the olive branch and be a good person at the same time. He knows how much Myra and John Paul mean to each other. He doesn't want there to be a rift between the two and just wants to be helpful. I'm so proud of Kieron from letting Sarah to have it. I swear that girl has tunnel vision when she's angry. She only just yells at people and doesn't fix anything. Ste needed help and Kieron can't turn down a lost soul, it's against his nature. And Amy's family needs to let her sort this out herself. They should still be there for her, but she needs to heal for herself, so she can be strong on her own. I don't want her to go back to Ste, I know the feeling of being in the relationships that just has a tragic cycle. Good for Amy to taking charge of her life. And hopefully now Ste will get the help he needs, and hopefully he will actually change. I'm sick of tv always showing guys like Ste getting worst instead of better.
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Post by j9l45 on Aug 6, 2008 23:40:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Zoe's pregnancy storyline has started yet, Cherrios. Wow I'm really bad at this...sorry. Zoe actually did have that pregnancy scare a while back, so that is probably what you are thinking about. It was when around the time Amy was pretending to be pregnant. When Zoe told Mike he was already reeling from Amy's then supposed pregnancy and they had a bit of a row. But then it turned out she wasn't. I actually like Elliot+Sarah. I hate when she is being a bitch to him, but he is one of the few people who can occasionally bring her out of herself. So I guess I like it because he makes her better...sometimes at least. That being said, I don't think the relationship will have a particularly long life span. Don't think she has grown enough to pull that off. Though I certainly hope they are together when Craig comes back because I think it will help her deal with that. Sarah is still ridiculously self absorbed, but one of the few things I like is how at the moment she is acting pretty mature in regards to Mike and Zoe's relationship. Nancy drives me bonkers. She just takes everything as an affront. Grr. And the way she just goes on and on and on about Charlie. I get that he's important, but she won't shut up. It doesn't help that the way she says his name is so incredibly annoying. Every time she talks about Charlie or has a scene with Charlie she has to say the name Charlie about 5000 times so that you know she is talking about Charlie even though the whole discussion has been about Charlie and you know she means Charlie because she said Charlie in the last sentence and is still clearly talking about Charlie. I want to scream, "Use a f**king pronoun!!" But maybe that's just me. She is such a misused character. I'm glad that they are at least trying to do something else with her with Ravi, but those 2 aren't working for me at all. And to think I actually liked her back when she and Jake were first getting together. It doesn't bother me that they haven't mentioned Craig. I guess I'm used to the soap convention that once a character is no longer on screen they are never mentioned. I know he's coming back soon but it would be weird for them to mention him without also talking about all the other characters you would expect to be there. I think we're far more likely to hear something when he's back (or at least closer to that time.) And ATD, who plays Darren, has been fantastic. So glad they gave him such a meaty storyline. It sounds silly on paper but he and the actor who play Jack have made it heartbreaking.
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