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Post by Urban Sprawl on Feb 12, 2012 19:10:16 GMT -5
He got hit on the head. Philip's father. ETA - ooops post crossed with tubedout
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Post by cathy29 on Feb 12, 2012 20:03:06 GMT -5
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Post by tubedout on Feb 12, 2012 21:56:42 GMT -5
Of all the endings we hypothesized, I just did not see that one coming. SO heartbreaking. I agree that if Damon Gameau is sticking around, and Kryštof Hádek wanted to leave, I morbidly prefer this heartbreak to a breakup. But oh, what a heartbreak! Here are my videos: (Some still processing, so it may be a few minutes before they are all available. Also, the 1st one already got flagged for a sound clip being copyrights - I'm betting it's the Lana del Rey - and says it's not available in some countries, so let me know if you have any problems watching it, so I can edit the video if necessary.) Part 1Part 2Part 3It's a pretty long edit, as I included all of Phillip's scenes as well. I felt for Pavel's goodbye, everyone should see everything that led to that moment. DOWNLOAD LINKS: ALL of Geoff and Pavel's scenes from Episode 406 @ RapidshareSPLIT LINKS - All of G+P's scenes from Episode 406 Part 1 @ MediaFire and Part 2 @ MediaFire
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Post by elomelo on Feb 12, 2012 22:40:52 GMT -5
This is so horrible. They were so happy and this? I was all but screaming at my laptop when Pavel insisted he was fine. Every soap, storyline, etc has taught me any injury, no matter how slight, needs to be checked out or else. Especially a blow to the back of the head! I am in tears. Another gay character killed off.
If the actor who plays Geoff wanted to come back, they could've had him break up with Pavel or something later on. I don't know. Maybe this is just the grief talking. I just can't believe it turned out this way...
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Post by tubedout on Feb 12, 2012 23:02:27 GMT -5
Tbh, as sad as I am to see Pavel die, I vastly prefer that to a breakup. If there can't be a happily ever after for the couple, I prefer that they end in love. Geoff and Pavel were happy and in love. They didn't split up and find other guys they loved more. A tragic accident ended their romance. And if Geoff continues on the show and finds a new romance down the line, it'll be much easier for me to enjoy with Pavel not being an option.
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Post by rosemonday on Feb 12, 2012 23:28:38 GMT -5
That's true, TubedOut, but in Damon's interview he sounded like Geoff's time in Raw is through. That gave me so much hope that Geoff & Pavel would get their happy "sunset ending"...seemingly, it was not to be. I can see Geoff returning home to Australia now. The poor man will be destroyed by this. To think we all saw Selena as the huge threat to their future happiness and it turned out to be someone else, a character that I for one had paid absolutely no attention to, and thought was completely irrelevant to Geoff & Pavel. The only positive (and it's a very small one) is that Geoff has learned that he can love, and be loved. So maybe, some time in the future, he can meet someone else and be happy. I guess that's all we can hope for, now. I don't think we will get to see it, though. Thankyou for uploading this beautiful love story for all of us not in Ireland. I don't know what else to say!
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Post by elomelo on Feb 12, 2012 23:59:42 GMT -5
Yes, tubedout, thank you for the uploads. It's been one hell of a journey and I can't say I've gotten over it just yet but I really do appreciate what you've done for those of us outside Ireland. rosemonday, I was under the same impression -- that Damon was done with the show. And there was much talk that Krystof wanted to leave the show to focus on other acting pursuits. I guess not. Well, I suppose I will be in denial for a while, maybe pretend they did get their sunset ending after all as someone said on youtube
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Post by cheerios on Feb 13, 2012 0:40:26 GMT -5
My heart is breaking, poor Pavel, poor Geoff.
Why did they have to kill him? Why couldn't they just go off into the sunset, happy and in love? Is it just me or have there been a lot of gay characters deaths lately?
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Post by elomelo on Feb 13, 2012 1:00:52 GMT -5
cheerios, it seems to be the trendy way to get rid of gay characters on storylines these days, it seems. It's quite depressing.
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Post by tubedout on Feb 13, 2012 1:06:14 GMT -5
My heart is breaking, poor Pavel, poor Geoff. Why did they have to kill him? Why couldn't they just go off into the sunset, happy and in love? Is it just me or have there been a lot of gay characters deaths lately? Well, if Geoff does return next season, then it would seem that Damon wanted to stay with the show. And it would have been quite unfair for him to lose his job and have Geoff written off just because Krystof was ready to move on. That being said, if Geoff doesn't return next season - I will be PISSED they didn't end this season with the guys walking off into the sunset together!
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Post by elomelo on Feb 13, 2012 2:15:32 GMT -5
That being said, if Geoff doesn't return next season - I will be PISSED they didn't end this season with the guys walking off into the sunset together! Oh, I really hope Geoff comes back or I will be incoherent with rage. (And probably very happy in denial and tell myself that Pavel survived, they got hitched and are very happy in Prague.) But it's curious that Damon's interview hinted that they would leave together. Maybe we were just being hopeful?
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Post by philippien on Feb 13, 2012 3:36:52 GMT -5
Oh no, I was really hoping for a happy ending, actually I was convinced that that would happen. So sad. Pavel was my favourite gay character. I think I just wait a while before I watch this last episode.
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Post by GiGi on Feb 13, 2012 10:39:36 GMT -5
WTF??? They killed off Pavel? RAW was like my warm&fuzzy gay soap. This is starting to seem like a conspiracy! And right after the marriage proposal? Dude, harsh!
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Post by littledhampir on Feb 13, 2012 12:39:51 GMT -5
I cried! I seriously cried! How could they kill Pavel?! Couldn't they just leave the show and have their happily ever after?
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Post by dannylover934 on Feb 13, 2012 17:51:06 GMT -5
If Raw does return next season I hope that it will be some time in the future. They seem to start each new season with a bit of time in between. I don't think my heart can take watching Geoff deal with Pavel's death.
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Post by cheerios on Feb 13, 2012 19:03:55 GMT -5
My heart is breaking, poor Pavel, poor Geoff. Why did they have to kill him? Why couldn't they just go off into the sunset, happy and in love? Is it just me or have there been a lot of gay characters deaths lately? Well, if Geoff does return next season, then it would seem that Damon wanted to stay with the show. And it would have been quite unfair for him to lose his job and have Geoff written off just because Krystof was ready to move on. That being said, if Geoff doesn't return next season - I will be PISSED they didn't end this season with the guys walking off into the sunset together! True, it would not be fair to Damon. Though from his recent interview I thought this was going to be his last series along with Krystof. I guess I'm just bitter, that it seems to be so many deaths of gay characters and I wish it would stop.
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Post by talula on Feb 14, 2012 16:32:26 GMT -5
you know after Reid,Roman,Jackson, Fer and Edwin' deaths i would thought i get used to that but i still can't..... poor Pavel...
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Post by Urban Sprawl on Feb 14, 2012 18:16:57 GMT -5
Now that the dust has settled, I must admit to feeling slightly underwhelmed by Pavel’s passing. Much as I loved the character, he was barely a part of series 4 and the whole new venture/proposal was so rushed that it hadn’t had time to sink in before being catapulted to the death scene. I get that the whole killing off a popular character is hugely dramatic and all that but that just felt flat. I realise Pavel’s story was very much shaped by Krystof’s other commitments and decision not to make himself available for subsequent series. I suppose the writers wanted to keep as many options open as possible and probably wouldn't write Geoff out unless Damon asked for it. Personally I would have preferred a break-up. Pavel getting the opportunity in Prague, Geoff mulling over it and not wanting to leave Raw, Pavel realising he will always come second in Geoff’s priorities and going it alone. The death is a bit hackneyed and, while I know that there is no actual conspiracy among writers to kill off beloved gay characters, the astonishingly high mortality rate of late does suggest some rather lazy thinking in this regard. I will at least give credit for series 1 and 3, which ended happily for Geoff and Pavel and in heartbreak for just about everyone else. Given the reception for Raw series 4, I would be pretty confident of a series 5 being commissioned. If Geoff returns I will definitely watch it. I imagine a grieving Geoff could very likely revert to his series 1 self: angry and closed off. He’s a more compelling character when he‘s not happy. you know after Reid,Roman,Jackson, Fer and Edwin' deaths i would thought i get used to that but i still can't..... poor Pavel... Off topic I know but my anger at Reid Oliver's death is undiminished. In fact it probably increases with each subsequent death...
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Post by juliamby88 on Feb 14, 2012 22:04:02 GMT -5
OMG! Pavel! I can't believe it. This is soo crazy!
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Post by rosemonday on Feb 15, 2012 0:27:40 GMT -5
Now that the dust has settled, I must admit to feeling slightly underwhelmed by Pavel’s passing. Much as I loved the character, he was barely a part of series 4 and the whole new venture/proposal was so rushed that it hadn’t had time to sink in before being catapulted to the death scene. I get that the whole killing off a popular character is hugely dramatic and all that but that just felt flat. I realise Pavel’s story was very much shaped by Krystof’s other commitments and decision not to make himself available for subsequent series. I suppose the writers wanted to keep as many options open as possible and probably wouldn't write Geoff out unless Damon asked for it. Personally I would have preferred a break-up. Pavel getting the opportunity in Prague, Geoff mulling over it and not wanting to leave Raw, Pavel realising he will always come second in Geoff’s priorities and going it alone. The death is a bit hackneyed and, while I know that there is no actual conspiracy among writers to kill off beloved gay characters, the astonishingly high mortality rate of late does suggest some rather lazy thinking in this regard. I will at least give credit for series 1 and 3, which ended happily for Geoff and Pavel and in heartbreak for just about everyone else. Given the reception for Raw series 4, I would be pretty confident of a series 5 being commissioned. If Geoff returns I will definitely watch it. I imagine a grieving Geoff could very likely revert to his series 1 self: angry and closed off. He’s a more compelling character when he‘s not happy. I actually felt Pavel's death was really well done. He died as he lived, in a way - quiet and dignified. I hope he didn't suffer too much - I know nothing about this type of injury, but he seemed more confused and bewildered than in absolute agony. I hope, anyway. And their conversation just before - when Geoff proposed, was imho the most beautiful exhange between them, ever. All the more bittersweet because of what was to come. But yes, the closure of the Selena plot was rushed and inadequate. She came around to a sane way of thinking far too easily, considering how nutty she'd seemed before. Pavel's solution was, typically for him, far more generous than she deserved. What really felt like a false note to to me, was Geoff's admission to Pavel that he was married. It was like, oh, yeah, no big deal, it's true I never mentioned it to you before but it was just for the visa. I realise a lot of that was probably fronting, but if it was such a big, bad dark secret that he was apparently desperate to keep from Pavel at all costs, why then did he just shrug it off like that? Total anticlimax. Lazy writing - they talked on the phone EVERY night & Geoff never mentioned Selena was staying? And Pavel didn't double-check the airport pickup plan? And Pavel lets himself in with a key when it was already a plot point that he'd left it behind and Geoff gave it to Selena. It sounded like Damon feels Geoff's story is over. But the writers have definitely left the door open for him to return. So IF there's a season 5, and IF they decide for sure that there is more of Geoff's story to tell, and IF Damon wishes to return then yes I'd like to see him again too. Like TubedOut said, this is the ONLY way I could accept Geoff perhaps meeting someone else. Pavel was imho the love of his life, so just splitting up for career reasons and moving on to other partners wouldn't be something I personally would be interested in watching. Pavel dying isn't something I wanted to see either of course but it's happened now so there you have it. I too think Geoff will most probably go back to angry, emotionally unavailable and out of control. That would be sad to see, given all the progress he'd made. But on the other hand, we know he can be that other, better, happier person too so it would be nice to see him given a bit of hope, at least, of rebuilding his life.
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Post by anthonyl on Feb 15, 2012 8:50:52 GMT -5
I think if the show weren't going to be renewed or if Damon had no intention of coming back they would have given the guys a happy ending. To me this means or at least indicates that the show will be back as will Damon. I guess I'm most interested as what this means for Geoff as a character.
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Post by caitlinp on Feb 15, 2012 17:36:06 GMT -5
Tubeout, thanks for posting the clips. I usually don't join in on the discussion for this show, but I have to say that even though the seasons are just six episodes long, that was the most well done conclusion to the usual "one of the gay guys dies at the end" storylines that I've seen. The people at Emmeradale should take note.
I didn't expect it to happen, and it was completely heartbreaking, but narrative wise, it worked.
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Post by cheerios on Feb 15, 2012 19:01:41 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Damon has any intention of coming back? Because I would think that Geoff could become how like Jojo was this series and I wouldn't want that for him.
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Post by rtgtx on Feb 15, 2012 20:25:13 GMT -5
Tubeout, thanks for posting the clips. I usually don't join in on the discussion for this show, but I have to say that even though the seasons are just six episodes long, that was the most well done conclusion to the usual "one of the gay guys dies at the end" storylines that I've seen. The people at Emmeradale should take note. I didn't expect it to happen, and it was completely heartbreaking, but narrative wise, it worked. I second that.
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Post by mrjps46 on Feb 15, 2012 22:28:20 GMT -5
Its even more sad to watch the second time around than the first : (.
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