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Post by ivaniv on Apr 5, 2008 1:01:09 GMT -5
the best epi untill now thx Ivan for sharing It could be better only if Gregor wanted to join Christian's and Olli's underwear party ;D And I can recommend to stay away from spoilers, it's so much better, not knowing what's coming. Well I kind of guessed, but still
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Post by yasser on Apr 5, 2008 4:57:14 GMT -5
Ivan & Nanna...*took a bow*...you are priceless!!!
I'm not gonna lie if I say that I found my eyes wet on the 1st minute of the video and they didn't dry until the end and all the other 50 times I watched it!!!
Christian finally told Ollie that he loved him...and the lovescene...and EVERYTHING!!! OMG!!! I AM SO OBSESSED!
And I can't leave without putting the regards to Olivia...I always knew she'd do anything for Ollie's best and she proved it!!! She's a star!
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Post by susurrus on Apr 5, 2008 5:54:39 GMT -5
Btw, in this episode Lydia ( the blonde chick who has a thing going on with Sebastian) talked about wanting to move out (I think she lives with her Mother right now) and Fabian said that there is still a free room available in Judith's "WG" and that he's gonna ask her about it. I'm really worried now that she's going to move in with them. I don't want another girl in their apartment. (Actually, I don't want anyone else living with them. Our boys need all the privacy they can get! )
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Post by nanna on Apr 5, 2008 6:40:58 GMT -5
I nearly had a heart attack when they mentioned that Lydia might move in. I don't mind Judith so much as long as they don't try to hook her up with Christian, but Lydia? WTF? She the wettest blanket imaginable. I can't stand her and her whiny voice. Right now I can go and change the channel when she's on, but if she were in the Ollian scenes, I'm not sure what I'd do.
BTW: Gregor said Dessous-Party. I translated it "lingerie party" but some people use "underwear party". A Dessous-Party is like a Tupperware party where all the ladies try on and buy sexy lingerie. Just so that we're on the same page here. I thought his comment was priceless.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 5, 2008 6:43:45 GMT -5
I don't know. I wonder if I might hate Lydia slightly less if she hung out with our boys, because her boring and annoying family is about 50% of what makes her boring. Then again, chances are that she will soon need another guy to triangle with. Nooooo, nooooo!
I would say pick Gregor, but since he has just been screwed up so royally be Sarah and Leonard, I can't really wish that on him either. Darn, does that mean that I have to start reading Lydia/Sebastian spoilers to look out for any suspicious signs?
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Post by Simone on Apr 5, 2008 6:44:09 GMT -5
Another person in Oliver and Christian's apartment? How big is that place? It must be a mansion. Seriously, are they trying to cut down on sets? I don't want Lydia with our boys. Judith is enough.
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Post by susurrus on Apr 5, 2008 6:48:21 GMT -5
I nearly had a heart attack when they mentioned that Lydia might move in. I don't mind Judith so much as long as they don't try to hook her up with Christian, but Lydia? WTF? She the wettest blanket imaginable. I can't stand her and her whiny voice. Right now I can go and change the channel when she's on, but if she were in the Ollian scenes, I'm not sure what I'd do. Well, it's not that I hate her (I don't really care about her) but I don't want her to move in with the guys. They don't need another room mate who's always around and interrupting their alone time, etc. BTW: Gregor said Dessous-Party. I translated it "lingerie party" but some people use "underwear party". A Dessous-Party is like a Tupperware party where all the ladies try on and buy sexy lingerie. Just so that we're on the same page here. I thought his comment was priceless. I loved that line as well! ;D Gregor always has the best lines.
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Post by susurrus on Apr 5, 2008 6:52:10 GMT -5
I don't know. I wonder if I might hate Lydia slightly less if she hung out with our boys, because her boring and annoying family is about 50% of what makes her boring. Then again, chances are that she will soon need another guy to triangle with. Nooooo, nooooo! I would say pick Gregor, but since he has just been screwed up so royally be Sarah and Leonard, I can't really wish that on him either. Darn, does that mean that I have to start reading Lydia/Sebastian spoilers to look out for any suspicious signs? Here is a spoiler. ETA: Huh? The link doesn't seem to work... I'll post it into the spoiler thread instead.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 5, 2008 10:50:05 GMT -5
Another person in Oliver and Christian's apartment? How big is that place? It must be a mansion. Seriously, are they trying to cut down on sets? I don't want Lydia with our boys. Judith is enough. Simone, maybe it is like the Snyder farm?
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Post by GayTime on Apr 5, 2008 10:58:14 GMT -5
Another person in Oliver and Christian's apartment? How big is that place? It must be a mansion. Seriously, are they trying to cut down on sets? I don't want Lydia with our boys. Judith is enough. Simone, maybe it is like the Snyder farm? LOL! i was just thinking the same thing... but i sure hope it's not. i don't want ollian to be split up by a plot device that will go 'Bei uns zuhause im Irak...' every 5 minutes... ;-)
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 5, 2008 11:04:05 GMT -5
Simone, maybe it is like the Snyder farm? LOL! i was just thinking the same thing... but i sure hope it's not. i don't want ollian to be split up by a plot device that will go 'Bei uns zuhause im Irak...' every 5 minutes... ;-) See, I was just talking to a friend about how it can only be a matter of time before Ollian get their own crazydaddy-paralysis-annoying Iraqi wife plot. But at least by the time the storyline arrives that will completely screw them over we can still look back and say "Well, at least they got their freak on". Which is more than we can say about Nuke ;D Now we can only pray that we don't get something to the extent of a Vanessadämmerung. (though I have to say, even IF they got a plot similar to DeVa, I would of course be disappointed, but it would probably be at least a bit less insulting because both C&O are defined closer to bisexual than gay; It wouldn't be nice, but at least it wouldn't be that out of the realm of the possible) I guess it's a given that the nightmare storyline will come eventually. I can just hope that it will take as long as possible for it to arrive. Though I think at first we'll be in for some Christian outings angst and drama, which I'm guessing will be a bit annoying and stereotypical on its own. But hey, anything better than Vanessadämmerung I'm not worried about Lydia because... S P O I L E R She doesn't show up in Ollian's spoilers at all. She said in the current episode she might move in with them and we have spoilers till May and yet no mention of her. Not even a single preview picture of her and either of our guys. If I had to be worried about female I would sooner be worried about Judith because she shows up in Ollian spoilers and there are two of three preview pics of her Christian. Thank God she seems to be busy waffling between Fabian and Constantin.
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Post by GayTime on Apr 5, 2008 11:07:05 GMT -5
LOL! i was just thinking the same thing... but i sure hope it's not. i don't want ollian to be split up by a plot device that will go 'Bei uns zuhause im Irak...' every 5 minutes... ;-) See, I was just talking to a friend about how it can only be a matter of time before Ollian get their own crazydaddy-paralysis-annoying Iraqi wife plot. But at least by the time the storyline arrives that will completely screw them over we can still look back and say "Well, at least they got their freak on". Which is more than we can say about Nuke ;D Now we can only pray that we don't get something to the extent of a Vanessadämmerung. (though I have to say, even IF they got a plot similar to DeVa, I would of course be disappointed, but it would probably be at least a bit less insulting because both C&O are defined closer to bisexual than gay; It wouldn't be nice, but at least it wouldn't be that out of the realm of the possible) I guess it's a given that the nightmare storyline will come eventually. I can just hope that it will take as long as possible for it to arrive. Though I think at first we'll be in for some Christian outings angst and drama, which I'm guessing will be a bit annoying and stereotypical on its own. But hey, anything better than Vanessadämmerung like nanna said over on afterelton, it's a soap and we should all be aware of the fact that their relationship was set up for doom the moment it started and hey, it may be painful, but that's part of the fun of daytime soaps to see these characters suffer *duck for cover* what i'm hoping for - even though you're right about the bi thing - is that we get something that hits closer to home for a gay relationship and not the same old tired 'a woman in the mix' thing. there must be something else that can happen to two guys in love on television :-).
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 5, 2008 11:12:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't really mind angst and drama as long as the characters aren't acting like morons. Like bring back Tom Actually no. I wouldn't want to rip apart Tom and Ulli in happily ever after land. But I do hope that they can think of a plot for Christian and Oliver that goes beyond just holding the hands of the characters in the other storylines. I'd actually love if Christian's crime record became and issue again. Let's say he beats up/injures/kills a guy who goes after him for being gay and Christian is a record. Uh-oh. Not a good thing. Actually I would love it if they brough on the often mentioned mysterious Russian ex cop who taught Oliver all his massage secrets. ;D Still, I have no illusions. For the kind of relationship Chrolli have a triangle would be a very natural soapy thing. Either for Christian to be in a triangle where he gets the choice of having a life with a woman, to have the kind of relationship he sort of grew up with expecting for his life and a life with Olli. Or for Olli to get the choice between a guy who already knows what he wants and who already has experiences and somebody like Christian who might still waffle and just not be all emotionally there yet. Again, it would be neat if it didn't have to happen, but I can see how the issue might come up eventually.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 5, 2008 11:14:51 GMT -5
See, I was just talking to a friend about how it can only be a matter of time before Ollian get their own crazydaddy-paralysis-annoying Iraqi wife plot. But at least by the time the storyline arrives that will completely screw them over we can still look back and say "Well, at least they got their freak on". Which is more than we can say about Nuke ;D Now we can only pray that we don't get something to the extent of a Vanessadämmerung. (though I have to say, even IF they got a plot similar to DeVa, I would of course be disappointed, but it would probably be at least a bit less insulting because both C&O are defined closer to bisexual than gay; It wouldn't be nice, but at least it wouldn't be that out of the realm of the possible) I guess it's a given that the nightmare storyline will come eventually. I can just hope that it will take as long as possible for it to arrive. Though I think at first we'll be in for some Christian outings angst and drama, which I'm guessing will be a bit annoying and stereotypical on its own. But hey, anything better than Vanessadämmerung like nanna said over on afterelton, it's a soap and we should all be aware of the fact that their relationship was set up for doom the moment it started and hey, it may be painful, but that's part of the fun of daytime soaps to see these characters suffer *duck for cover* what i'm hoping for - even though you're right about the bi thing - is that we get something that hits closer to home for a gay relationship and not the same old tired 'a woman in the mix' thing. there must be something else that can happen to two guys in love on television :-). Especially when the woman thrown into the mix has zero chemistry with the male she's paired with (hello Vanessa!) or just the sight of her makes you want to throw things at your television/computer in sheer hatred & annoyance (hello Ameera!).
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Post by supergirl on Apr 5, 2008 11:24:26 GMT -5
i only hope that the relation when the moment comes ends in a good note that the love will always be there forever and someday they will be together again like Tom and Ulli but lets not think so much about the future enjoy the present kiss by kiss because its sooo sweet and breathtaking Its amazing how this story captivated so many people from all over the word btw i am from Romania and i think i am the only romania here hiiiihihiihi hugs;)
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 5, 2008 11:35:50 GMT -5
I agree. Let's just hope that it stays kiss by kiss I'm sooooo worried that now they are together we will never get to see them really kiss/be in bed together again. That it will only be quick "nice to you see you/bye, love!" kisses rather than heated passionate kissing; or not even that! *bites nails* I noticed that watching the Olli/Tom/Ulli storyline.It just seems like there was a huge contrast between the big drama scenes where everybody went out and about, but the energy and PDA dropped to next to nothing, even barely any casual kissing, in the regular scenes (including a lot of scenes that looked like fakeout scenes to me; where the characters are supposedly kissing, but you can see that the actors aren't actually). I'm torn about it. I can kinda understand that it would be superfluous to show much PDA with a couple in an established relationship. Which is kinda why I want more drama, because drama usually gives an excuse for sexy and heated scenes But yeah, at the very least they should get as much as Coco and Christian got!
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Post by escapist on Apr 5, 2008 11:44:45 GMT -5
Especially when the woman thrown into the mix has zero chemistry with the male she's paired with (hello Vanessa!) or just the sight of her makes you want to throw things at your television/computer in sheer hatred & annoyance (hello Ameera!). lol, or the woman thrown into the mix has zero chemistry with the male she's paired with and just the sight of her makes you want to throw things at your television/computer in sheer hatred & annoyance (hello again, Vanessa!)
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Post by psionycx on Apr 5, 2008 12:36:06 GMT -5
I never did get the Vanessa thing, other than that maybe Deniz feels close to her as a f*g hag and was succumbing to paternal pressure to be "normal". It's mostly offensive because he and Roman have such chemistry, whereas he and Vanessa don't, causing it to be a WTF scenario.
Olli and Christian are both bisexual, although Olli seems to prefer men and Christian seems to prefer women. So it wouldn't be surprising if either of them had an affair with one.
But I'd hope that before they go breaking them up they'd instead try and do some other relationship challenges for Ollian instead. Seeing a couple face problems is as interesting and gratifying as just breaking them up and forming new couples all the time.
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Post by kyle on Apr 5, 2008 12:40:12 GMT -5
But I'd hope that before they go breaking them up they'd instead try and do some other relationship challenges for Ollian instead. Seeing a couple face problems is as interesting and gratifying as just breaking them up and forming new couples all the time. wishful thinking but Gregor and Olli would be drama
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Post by supergirl on Apr 5, 2008 12:40:46 GMT -5
lets hope so;) they deserve as much attention as any other couple in the soap but we all know that gay relations are always censored in comparison with straight ones i have to say that \Tom\Oli never appealed to me that much maybe because i want Oliver only for Christian but got to say that till now i was more that satisfied with the scenes off course we all are waiting for more bed loving ;)and as many kisses as possible and yes drama can lid to steamy scene yapp and one more thing that i notice in my opinion their are the most romantic gay couple you can feel love there besides desire the emotion is intense i didn't see much sensibility in other gay soap couple (yes they had sex and chemistry but not so real feelings about ici other ) don't know only an opinion maybe i am wrong but thats what i see and the girls on the show cant be a threat right now they don't fit in the scenery but the possibility of someone new in the picture its more realistic a new cast member yes more likely hugs
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 5, 2008 12:44:46 GMT -5
My theory for Roman/Deniz for now is still that Roman just came on too strong. Not in regards to being gay, but in regards to becoming a couple and moving in together. It just freaked Deniz (not so much being gay, but somehow being required to be with Roman apparently long term) out and so he ran away right into the arms of something familiar.
I'll stick with that explanation until the writers give a better one. It's true that it totally isn't founded in anything the show itself said, but that's the whole problem, the show didn't say anything.
I was reading through the Tom/Olli storyline and it seems that they dealt with a lot of normal stuff. In fact, the kind of things they argued about (borrowing money, commitment, success in your professional life, trust) reminded me a lot of the way Christian and Coco were written. So fingers crossed that some normal, low scale problems will be addressed too or even first.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 5, 2008 12:49:03 GMT -5
I never did get the Vanessa thing, other than that maybe Deniz feels close to her as a f*g hag and was succumbing to paternal pressure to be "normal". It's mostly offensive because he and Roman have such chemistry, whereas he and Vanessa don't, causing it to be a WTF scenario. Olli and Christian are both bisexual, although Olli seems to prefer men and Christian seems to prefer women. So it wouldn't be surprising if either of them had an affair with one. But I'd hope that before they go breaking them up they'd instead try and do some other relationship challenges for Ollian instead. Seeing a couple face problems is as interesting and gratifying as just breaking them up and forming new couples all the time. I agree with your analysis of Olli & Christian's respective sexualities and like you, I hope they get to face some adversity as a couple before the inevitable break up. As for the Roman/Deniz/Vanessa fiasco, pretty much all of us in that forum have been b*tching and b*tching for a whil (and on other boards) about the lack of DeVa chemistry and the WTF of it all. But I think Deniz ran to her less a f*g hag cover than because Roman was too much for him on top of his being fresh out the closet.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 5, 2008 13:01:01 GMT -5
I got the impression that a lot of the casual fans (who aren't die hard into Chrisolli) like Christian/Oliver, because they remember Tom/Olli and liked Olli back then, but also felt that Tom never really loved Olli. At least not the way he loved Ulli.
So they are happy now because they see it as Olli finally getting a guy for himself when before Tom always fit better with Ulli.
That said, from the descriptions alone it sounds like Tom/Olli probably was the most "gay" storyline on VL. Both characters were sure of their sexuality when they met. There was no coming out story. Nobody was "turned". They were just two guys living together and dealing with relationship stuff. Which is probably what made them boring to some people compared to Tom/Ulli.
I would be curious whether there is a difference between gay and straight fans and how much they liked or didn't care for Tom/Olli.
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Post by Simone on Apr 5, 2008 13:41:36 GMT -5
I have always thought that Christian is bi-curious so I would expect him to have an affair with a woman and to back to dating women after breaking up with Olli.
Right now I think that there is lots of story for Olli and Christian with Christian still in the closet as he attempts to pursue a boxing career. However, there are other stories not involving an affair that the writers could come up for Oliver and Christian. Olli was involved in drugs years ago. He could get in an accident and get addicted to pain medication. Christian was in prison. He could owe a debt to a criminal who protected him in prison and he and Olli could unwillingly get dragged into a dangerous situation.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 5, 2008 13:49:47 GMT -5
wrong thread.
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