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Post by amber80 on Oct 5, 2008 13:12:55 GMT -5
Yay, part 10 is up!! Thank you TGL!
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cheerios
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Post by cheerios on Oct 8, 2008 14:18:57 GMT -5
The thing I like best about these two, is their connection to each other. How they have such great chemistry and passion for each other and they really just complete each other.
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Post by Torrid German Love on Oct 12, 2008 13:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by amber80 on Oct 13, 2008 5:56:57 GMT -5
Thank you TGL!! Tom is not really my type (neither is Ulli), but his smile after the kiss just takes my breath away... Every time again! He looks so happy...
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 13, 2008 6:18:51 GMT -5
I immediately noticed the smile too. So cute. Just to do that in this moment. It felt like it was a very deliberate decision (I bet it was in the script). It just felt so right for the kind of story they are telling.
I just spoiled myself by watching the most recent clips posted in German (24 I think) which also kicked lots and lots of butt.
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Post by amber80 on Oct 13, 2008 10:19:18 GMT -5
There are 26 parts up in german only right now and I must confess I watched them all... The temptation was too big. Now I watch the subtitled version to fill in the blanks, which is great!
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 13, 2008 17:30:25 GMT -5
I have to say that I don't really find Tom or Ulli particularly fanciable, though Ulli has a kind-of cuteness about him - but I really do like this storyline. I kinda liked the fact that there were no real histrionics after the kiss - in fact - although Ulli paid homage to "it was just a weak moment" line, he wasn't hugely fervent on that as an excuse. Tom was sarcastic, but again, didn't make a huge thing of it - he's biding his time. I love how Ulli's brother knows but says nothing TGL - thanks for these vids. I may not comment on every one but your effort in subbing these is hugely appreciated. xxxxx
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Post by Torrid German Love on Oct 14, 2008 16:27:25 GMT -5
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Post by amber80 on Oct 14, 2008 16:58:03 GMT -5
Thank you again!
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 14, 2008 17:32:51 GMT -5
Hey TGLJust noticed you've been elevated to a "Gaysofdaytime Hero" Congratulations - and well deserved too
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 19, 2008 13:45:16 GMT -5
I have to say, on a purely shallow level they individually don't do much for me either, but they really do harmonize really well. Also, I have to agree with what somebody else said in the comments, I'm really impressed with the amount of screentime they got. I don't know if they actually got more screentime than Ollian, but is it just me or do their scenes feel longer somehow?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to weigh this in a one is better one is worse kind of way. I actually really like the way the Ollian storyline was told, particularly the portion around them getting together and with Coco. I actually like that it was quite visceral and not as spoken about because it goes really well with the personalities of the characters and feels very real.
I just find it interesting how the Tom and Ulli storyline has a very different feel for it. It really is much more... "chatty", but it still works in its own way. I'm particularly thinking of the most recent German clips that were posted. SPOILER Where Tom is mad at Ulli because Ulli pretended in public that Tom wasn't his boyfriend and Ulli tries to do everything to pacify Tom and get his forgiveness. Eveb though Tom is kinda bitchy about it, I'm quite impressed how much detail is dedicated to this development, like Tom having long conversations with Nick about it and Ulli having long conversations with Nina.
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Post by crazylilly on Oct 19, 2008 14:12:10 GMT -5
lola - the scenes back than were longer. I started to watch the series at sevenload a few weeks ago. The pace was much slower and they really took their time to tell the story. Watching these old stuff makes me really miss it.
I'm watching the German version of the story. And I have to say - as much as I loved the story back than, I'm not too sure I still like it today. I don't like Tom that much right now. He sometimes is demanding to much from Ulli. Comparing this story and Ollian - Olli is the much better "first" boyfriend.
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 19, 2008 14:23:16 GMT -5
Yes, Tom could definitely be a bit on the bitchy side and with a tendency to take things personally very easily (naturally a stark contrast to Olli who NEVER seems to take things personally).
I have to admit, I don't actually mind as much on a storyline level that Tom can be a pretty demanding guy. You know, gives the storyline spice and the two of them a reason to argue and have even more scenes and scenes where they deal with their problems (though that can be repetitive too).
I like the way Ollian is told because it feels very... modern in a way. But I guess I have a soft spot for the old fashioned very soapy way Tulli is told. That said, I do admit that I occasionally jump over parts in the Tulli story, or jump ahead to the bits of the clip that look that most interesting.
I have to say, Nick really is the "Gregor" of the story. Hot, hot, hot guy (even though he is more handsome beautiful than beefcake beautiful).
I have to say, in the most recent German part I laughed because I was drinking something and nearly choked when Ulli takes off his shirt, gets into bed with Tom and snuggles up from behind. For a second I thought that he said "Fühlst du das?" ("Can you feel it?"). LOL, he actually said "Riechst du das?" ("Can you smell it?" meaning the fresh coffee he made for breakfast in bed). But I definitely did a double take there.
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Post by chrollifan on Oct 19, 2008 15:03:45 GMT -5
I actually thought before, that these two storylines are more similar, but each has pretty much it's own dynamic. I read episode descriptions, but got completely different impression after watching videos. One thing what I like about VL is that they tell stories through characters and accommodate stories to characters not vice versa (at least in general . These talk scenes with Nick and Nina are sometimes even too long for me, it seems that storytelling is now faster than eight years ago. Although, there are moments in C&O story, when I feel that dialog comes too short. It's possible, that Tom & Ulli got more airtime, they are in any case described as "first gay supercouple of VL". Repetitive arcs and unbosom scenes belong to the big stories, Oliver and Christian got only "as much time as necessary". They seem to be much more a sidestory. For example, in Rosa forum I've got impression, that some people complained about lack of elements in C&O story, which were actually there, but they were only in one or two episodes and if you scipped some episodes, you missed them. (like Christian's daddy issues, uncertainty) I agree, that Tom and Ulli fit together as a couple visually, but I've hard time by understanding some of their actions and motivations. Maybe I should watch the playlist one more time.
Tom is so bitchy, that I'm actually starting to hate him already. He should love Ulli, right? But he is so easily ready to give up. Is it really so hard for him to get, that Ulli needs some time to accommodate. Ulli is choosing very often the easy way, by lying in public, which is wrong, but Tom can be so hardheaded, that it's unbearable. This gay-bi-straight labeling stuff made my head spin. Ulli is loving a man and has loved girls, so "bi" would be quite good for him at the moment. I don't understand why he is freaking out, when somebody suggests that.
Nick changed his mind so quickly, that I had to look back and watch if I've missed something. ;D Probably bashing forced him to reconsider.
Oh well, I'm superficial lately, too much work to do, should go more into this stuff.
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Post by crazylilly on Oct 19, 2008 15:15:59 GMT -5
Back then they obviously felt the need to explain a lot of stuff. With Ollian they didn't. Maybe Ollian aren't important enough - or they give their audience more credit to understand the conflicts without having to talk about them again and again. - For some reason it makes the story more real for me (Christian and Olli being guys - who don't talk about their feelings to much.)
Talking about the resent German clips: As I said - I don't like Tom right now as well. He should understand Ulli better then he does most of the times. Sometimes he says he can relate to Ulli's problems since coming out to his parents wasn't easy for him either. But he doesn't act that way. A little more sympathy would really be better. I always liked Ulli better. But now I really know why.
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Post by Torrid German Love on Oct 19, 2008 15:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 19, 2008 15:52:41 GMT -5
I think that part at least is the characters though. Like I could never ever picture Christian talking to anybody in so much detail. Even if a Nina type character was around. Even if Olli did it it would be weird because Olli isn't a natural complainer. I mean, he did complain to Olivia in the beginning but even then it was more like a few choice words as opposed to hashing things out long and detailed.
But this seems to be how Ulli processes it and in that way it feels rather neats. It shows that it is imporant to him that he spends so much time talking and thinking about it.
I don't know. I sometimes think that it's not just a difference between now and 8 years ago. Personally, I see difference in the way Ollian are told compared to let's say Lydia and Sebastian or Sarah and Leo are told. Or how the Ansgarlie story or Constantin/Judith/David is told. It seems that in the main stories there still is a lot more repetition and rehashing the feelings of the characters over and over again, but not as much in the side stories.
A lot of the time this repetition in the main stories can get, really, really, really annoying if it really feels like they are doing the same scene for the 50th time. And if there is progress it seems to be coming at snaaaaaaaaaaaailspace. On the other hand, I think there were times when Ollian really was given too little. Like how the conflict between them popped up out of the blue two days before the fight with no build up. That seems to happen to them on occasion.
I actually think that Katja and Matthias currently have a rather decent screentime vs. progress ratio. It's clearly a side story, but because it is a side story it actually feels like most of their scenes actually have meaning and they are progressing towards something. But they still get enough scenes for it to feel like you can actually see most of the steps on the way like in this case to slow softening of Matthias towards Katja. He doesn't forgive her and want her back immediately, but it is not as snailpace and dragging as Lydia and Sebastian either. And so it feels like the characters are actually communicating and affecting each other.
(that's why I have often said that to me Chrolli has more the typical signs of a sidestory. Maybe a strong side story during the Coco triangle and a weaker side story after they became a couple when some of the scenes and the scene progress began to become more random; but like I said, being a side story doesn't have to be a bad thing in all cases; being a main story comes with some perks but also with some downsides like the extreme repetitiveness)
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Post by ivaniv on Oct 20, 2008 5:47:21 GMT -5
I think than C&O story benefited from not being the main one on the show, they had to write it very effectively. Also using the chat was a great idea, we got to know their feelings, plus there was a bonus - the reveal. In Ulli & Tom's story sometimes they just talk too much to their confidantes. But both ways of telling the story work for me and having Ulli is a great way to spend time before Christian & Olli get another story. And as for (spoiler): smelling something, maybe Ulli just didn't wash his feet for a week or two But that moment made me laugh too ;D
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 20, 2008 9:24:26 GMT -5
I thought it was kinda hot when Ulli fed a sleeping Tom chocolate (or something). Because I love chocolate ;D
Though I have to say I liked the banner Sebastian bought for Lydia better, even if the picture quality was unrealistically HQ in their case.
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 20, 2008 14:01:18 GMT -5
Latest German clip SPOILER Ah, sorry, Tom really is a huge cold fish dick that he isn't happy about the billboard. That said, they sure do know how to kiss and look adorable. Even if there yet again were long discussions with Nick and Nina to be forwarded ;D
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Post by cheerios on Oct 20, 2008 16:17:09 GMT -5
Oh I really love these two together, I really love how happy they make each other. And the kissing is just so adorable.
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Post by amber80 on Oct 21, 2008 15:09:54 GMT -5
Latest German clip SPOILER Ah, sorry, Tom really is a huge cold fish dick that he isn't happy about the billboard. That said, they sure do know how to kiss and look adorable. Even if there yet again were long discussions with Nick and Nina to be forwarded ;D Indeed! ;D
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 22, 2008 16:44:12 GMT -5
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Post by amber80 on Oct 23, 2008 11:09:26 GMT -5
SPOILER Me too... I could so understand Ulli's anger! As if he gave up less than Tom. I also thought Tom was a bit too pushy in Ulli's coming out; he hardly gave him time to get used to the idea.
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 23, 2008 17:29:36 GMT -5
Latest German clip: SPOILER I feel for the non-English speakers. No way can a translation capture just how obnoxious Tom's tone is in the argument. Not that Ulli isn't being bitchy. But I can understand how that tone might drive somebody up the wall.
That said, at this stage I'm having a hard time seeing how Ulli is even in love with Tom anymore at this point. Rough times.
I have to say though, I'm really sad that the Tulli clips just jump over the phase in the middle. I understand that the storyline there about Tom's sister Alexa coming to town wasn't that fascinating but I would have been curious to say how a regular storyline was written for them back then.
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