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Post by stuartsez on May 5, 2008 23:31:43 GMT -5
Thanks, lolaruns. As great as it is having the subbed versions, I sometimes wish I could see every ep, just to catch these little bits. It sounds like maybe this will come back to bite them when Olivia discovers their relationship.
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Post by amber80 on May 6, 2008 11:12:35 GMT -5
New HQ spoiler pics on DasErste: (That's the first time I noticed the band-aid on Christian's forehead.) I didn't notice the band-aid either. I wonder how he got injured?
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 11:17:11 GMT -5
Apparently he gets his ass handed to him during boxing. Bet that's gonna put a real crimp in his ego.
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Post by nana29 on May 6, 2008 11:20:33 GMT -5
Apparently he gets his ass handed to him during boxing. Bet that's gonna put a real crimp in his ego. so is there a chance we will see olli trying to make him feel better?
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Post by gm on May 6, 2008 11:41:38 GMT -5
Apparently he gets his ass handed to him during boxing. Bet that's gonna put a real crimp in his ego. so is there a chance we will see olli trying to make him feel better? I guess we do, hm? Souds like a thing Olli would do.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 6, 2008 11:49:00 GMT -5
Apparently he gets his ass handed to him during boxing. Bet that's gonna put a real crimp in his ego. Ha! Alpha male like him, that's really not going to go over well. Who was he boxing, Russell Crowe?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 6, 2008 13:23:20 GMT -5
Ok, I just saw the new spoilers and while I understand about the beard, I really don't like how those spoilers read. I guess I am more burned about the Vanessa situation from AWZ than I thought cause I immediately saw red flags cause Christian/ Judith have even less romantic chemistry than Deniz/Vanessa. Oooooooy.
That new girl, Rebecca, is gorgeous but I am a little skeeved out about her being 18 to Andreas' 30. I'm no prude but I am not feeling that age difference at all plus she looks young.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 13:30:04 GMT -5
She doesn't look that young in the pictures, so you never know. But I guess that's why they have been setting up this Sebastian/Lydia/Gregor thing so Sebastian will have a reason to resent the relationship between Rebecca and Gregor.
It also mentions in her bio that she studies something fashion related so maybe she'll be in the modelling storyline.
Even if Judith and Christian don't hook up the storyline is just so stupid. They have no reason to lie. Why do they invest so much energy in it? I maybe could have bought it while Gregor didn't know yet. Kinda like, they don't want Gregor to find out like that/they want to tell Gregor first before they tell the world. But now that he knows, what's the point?
It just irks me.
I hope they'll prove me wrong (like I said, my main hope is that it's a tool in the Fabian/Judith/Constantin story; in the episode around that the villain Adrian who is Constantin's father is shot and needs and organ donor. Constantin doesn't want to do it. He talks to Judith about it and she encourages him to at least make the test. In the episode after this one Fabian and Judith have an argument because of the beard thing), but I remain very, very sceptical.
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Post by Ed on May 6, 2008 13:31:27 GMT -5
I fear of the spoilers, with the whole beard thing. I hope nothing goes further, because I will be so pissed off. It is true that the main writer of VL is openly gay? I think I read that on one of the threads...
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 13:34:47 GMT -5
People have speculated, but there is no proof (about the writer).
Either way, that hasn't protected them from doing some really stupid storylines. For example with Carla and Susanne, the lesbian couple, they looked for a sperm donor and picked Lars. And because it's a soap they of course struck up a close friendship and Carla asked Lars to befriend Susanne and of course Lars and Susanne fell in love while Carla was carrying what was supposed to be their lesbian love child.
*shudder*
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Post by Ed on May 6, 2008 13:41:41 GMT -5
Lola, What you think will happen? It is possible that the writers will let us down like what happened in AWZ?
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 13:52:49 GMT -5
I have no idea. Please note that I'm an eternal pessimist. It could be a variety of things:
-) It could play out much better than it sounds. I for one hated a lot of the early spoilers with regards to Christian being afraid to out himself to Gregor/failing to out himself etc. But the scenes played out really well.
-) It could be them just serving to the Fab/Jud/Const storyline. That storyline needs an excuse to have Judith have relationship problems with Fabian so she can confide in Constantin. It's just a plot point for another storyline and has no greater bearing on Ollian as characters.
-) It's a normal dumb badly written storyline. Nobody changes partners, but there is angst and pointless drama.
-) It's a twist on the Fab/Jud/Const thing. Fabian and Constantin are mooning over Judith but in a! suprising! twist! she falls for Christian.
-) Christian falls for Judith. It's Forbidden Love, y'all
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Post by gm on May 6, 2008 14:10:38 GMT -5
I don't think Christian will go for Judith. Or Judith for Christian. Judith will go for Fabian, if we see him again, that is. Will we? I'm not really up-to-date. But considering that Christian somehow tends to fall in love with people after the first kiss, I would be wary being in Olli's place. *lol* Just joking. Olli certainly has magical kissing skills that people can not forget.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 14:18:58 GMT -5
Yes, we'll see Fabian again. I think they'll triangle next week. And then they are supposed to reunite the week after that when Judith and Fabian sing to each other on karaoke night: Then Judith's next involvement are: -She finds out that Fabian's mother slept with her daughter's girlfriend (that would be Sebastian) and is having his baby; but the mother (Katja) convinces her to be quiet about it. -Through Judith's help Constantin agrees to be an organ donor to his evil father So technically Judith is still full throttle in two other storylines at this point.
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Post by gm on May 6, 2008 14:26:09 GMT -5
Karaoke night, oh, great! *g* Ouch, that means more relationship drama for her. I somehow can relate to Judith's dilema quite well (I am probably the only one ).
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Post by valso on May 6, 2008 14:36:47 GMT -5
I find kind of cute that Oli loves Christian so much to find him a beard to help him fulfill his boxing dream.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 14:40:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I hope it turns out well too, but it's just so annoying when I have such a hard time understanding why they would need a beard in the first place. At this point they come off as paranoid rather than tortured. Would it really be that bad if Christian was a gay boxer? I mean, it's not like he is anywhere close to actual fame anyway, so who cares?
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Post by Simone on May 6, 2008 14:45:59 GMT -5
The spoiler of Judith as Christian's beard makes me ready to bail on Ollian. I just don't have a good feeling about them any more. I can easily see something romantic developing between Christian and Judith. VL's writers are clearly scared to have Christian come out and take the story from there. They must be bereft of ideas of what to do with them as a couple once the come out and that isn't a good sign at all.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 14:53:01 GMT -5
I doubt that it has anything to do with scared. After all they have done the whole established gay couple with normal problems thing before with Olli and Tom.
I think above all the VL writers in particular do what they want. They are known for being particularly pig headed. So if they want something they'll do it and if they don't want something they'll do that. Viewers are more or less at their mercy.
I have always said that I don't have that much of a problem if Christian (or Olli) hooked up with a girl again, but does it have to be like this? For one, after they have spent so much time establishing that Christian likes Judith but is also frequently annoyed by her. If he found her spazziness charming, wouldn't he have been charmed by now? And if it's supposed to be Christian/Judith, why does Olli have to be blamed for it? Can't Judith and Christian just fall for each other in a "the heart wants what it wants" kind of way? Why does Olli have to act like a tool in the process to make it happen?
Seriously, be uncreative. Do "She wears a gorgeous dress for the first time and he sees her with different eyes" or "She cries in Christian's arms and they realize they have feelings for each other". Just spare me this stupid storyline about Olli making Christian stay in the closet when Christian was long since ready to come out.
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Post by Simone on May 6, 2008 15:11:49 GMT -5
Lola, you are probably right that the VL's writers aren't scared, but I do think that they are stalling Christian coming out for some reason. Could they be mimicking Deniz and Roman's story on AWZ where Deniz falls for his best friend? Ollie wanting Christian to stay in the closet does not make much sense unless they using this as a plot device to get Christian and Judith together. Like you I can see Christian falling for a woman, but there is nothing with Judith. The new girl who supposed to be Gregor's new love interest is the kind of woman I could see Christian falling for. I hope that we are dead wrong though.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 15:20:03 GMT -5
Yeah seriously, the new girl! Or Lydia. Heck, I could picture him hatesexing Olivia before I buy him and Judith. At least Deniz really liked Vanessa and they really had a deep friendship/support connection. Sure Christian listens to Judith's woes but that doesn't really compare to the rapport friendship DeVa had (where they plain out frequently did stuff together and Vanessa supported Deniz through a lot of the family stuff, like when the mob guy came after Marian).
Like I said, I'm still kinda sceptical myself where this is supposed to lead. Particularly since Judith has to many other storylines on her plate.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 6, 2008 15:29:50 GMT -5
Yeah seriously, the new girl! Or Lydia. Heck, I could picture him hatesexing Olivia before I buy him and Judith. At least Deniz really liked Vanessa and they really had a deep friendship/support connection. Sure Christian listens to Judith's woes but that doesn't really compare to the rapport friendship DeVa had (where they plain out frequently did stuff together and Vanessa supported Deniz through a lot of the family stuff, like when the mob guy came after Marian). Like I said, I'm still kinda sceptical myself where this is supposed to lead. Particularly since Judith has to many other storylines on her plate. And when Deniz came out. Yea, I went there! I am going to go for the optimistic route until I see how it plays out cause it may play differently - for better or worse - from the spoilers so I am not going to get down about it yet. Still, we all konw Ollian won't stay together forever. It's all a matter of how TPTB are going to break them up when the inevitable happens.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2008 15:39:38 GMT -5
Except that Vanessa seems to have gotten amnesia in that regard Maybe Christian can get in amnesia in regards to how much Judith's ramblings annoy him. Please, note my personal disclaimer, I ALWAYS assume the worst. That way, it if ends up better than worse I can be happy that they didn't go with the worst case scenario. And if it really ends up worst I can always say I told you so ;D
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Post by friday13fan on May 6, 2008 15:45:38 GMT -5
I think that Fabian will reveal his true identity to Judith! No, really, I think this is just a device to make Fabian jealous. I think they want to milk Christian's coming out for all the drama it's worth, and the boxing thing conveniently gives Christian an excuse to still hide it. I think more will make sense when we meet the boxing promoter. That said, I'm not sure who else they need to reveal the relationship to after Judith, Gregor, Olivia, Fabian...? Maybe Coco will come back for an episode or something? Being closeted in "macho" sports has been explored elsewhere, but definitely not "to death." So, I think the storyline is mainly going towards mining the drama from that scenario. I do feel like there's inevitable tragedy in store for Ollian; I just hope it's poignant and not bogus!
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Post by beof on May 6, 2008 15:46:43 GMT -5
I don't know if I've missed something, maybe I'm too new, but reading through the spoilers but doesn't Christian come out around June? So only a month to go..
Hi BTW :-)
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