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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 5, 2014 5:03:37 GMT -5
Does the background description for the Jo character state that he has an "ice cold heart"? What are you trying to say in regards to using that description for the character?
Why is it so puzzling that Jo's at a gay bar?
Why is it strange that Jo may or may not be looking to have sex with someone, while he's clearly not in his "teenage years"?
You can be older, even the dreaded "middle age" and still want to have sex with others, without having to pursue a romantic relationship.
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Post by angel on Sept 7, 2014 7:10:35 GMT -5
Firstly I have the feeling that you dont understand, that it gives by VL 3 threads. 1. Spoilers Only --> Here are the future facts2. Spoiler Discuss --> Here are personal opinions about things that doesnt have aired yet. 3. Generel Discuss --> Here are personal opinions about things that had aired yet or that dont includes future facts. So nobody have to write in the 2. and 3. Thread thats this is his or her personal opinions, because all posts are there personal opinions. For Facts we have the first thread the spoilers only thread. You or we should only mark if its a fact in the spoiler discus or general thread, if its not clear about the context.
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Post by angel on Sept 7, 2014 7:15:40 GMT -5
Does the background description for the Jo character state that he has an "ice cold heart"? What are you trying to say in regards to using that description for the character? Its my personal interpretation, the original words are unapproachable and emotionally cold.
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Post by angel on Sept 7, 2014 7:21:20 GMT -5
Why is it so puzzling that Jo's at a gay bar? Also my opinion, thats why it stands here and not in the future facts thread thats called the spoilers only thread and not the spoiler discuss thread. And who else should he meet in the gay bar, Bill Clinton or Lady Gaga? Its a soap and I think that what makes most sense. Maybe you have other ideas, you could tell everybody, thats the reason for this thread.
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Post by angel on Sept 7, 2014 7:39:03 GMT -5
Why is it strange that Jo may or may not be looking to have sex with someone, while he's clearly not in his "teenage years"? You can be older, even the dreaded "middle age" and still want to have sex with others, without having to pursue a romantic relationship. Were did I tell this? I have no idea. What I tell was that the first look on his role, is not very sympathic when he dont kiss the sister, but sleeps with her, and left her like garbage back. Why should he treads anyone different than this, till now, we know only this few things/facts, so he is very unsympathic written, thats only what I tell the whole world with my post. Why should someone think thats a sympathic role? And we know not really clear that Jo know that Bella and Olli are siblings. But if so, than its also not really sympathic. I have no problem if someone looks for hot sex with no feelings, but thats here not the case, thats not what us the spoiler facts tell us. He had a date with Olli and sleeps after it with his sister, but even dont want to kiss her. Bella and Olli are no strangers, they are siblings and maybe Jo knows about it, thats the problem here, thats makes it unsympathic.
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Post by angel on Sept 7, 2014 8:25:40 GMT -5
I had loved If the next guy for Oliver is someone lightheart, someone sympathic written. I loves the flings guys like Jens or Finn. I liked Finn or particularly Jens, after all this years with the disaster and darkstory of Christian. Something lighter in general would have had been better, as new story. Why not the sexdate with Jens, the Gym owner, and let this story go further, let they fall in love, let maybe have Jens had a child. Jens wants in the past even more Oliver, than only for sex, so he could also be fight for love. Someone fall first in love with Oliver, and not allways the same odd story Oliver fall in love with someone who is not good for him in generally.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 7, 2014 10:31:33 GMT -5
Then it wouldn't be VL, that's why.
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Post by angel on Sept 7, 2014 11:28:55 GMT -5
Then it wouldn't be VL, that's why. Thats not true, when the show was successfully and the ratings are good, they had many of this light storys, without the part of forbidden love. The spasmodic way, that all love and story must be forbidden is completly new since the last years, since this shows goes down by quality and the ratings.
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Post by angel on Sept 16, 2014 10:36:06 GMT -5
So the story goes on, but slow. Hope the best that its on screen nicer to watch, than it reads, and hope they gave this story a little bit more screen time, than we know from the past, the last years, since VL doesnt be very gayfriendly anymore. And hope that on screen it gives not to much blackholes by this story than in the past. And hope that the audience dont must fill the plotholes themself what the writers opens.
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Post by sonia38 on Sept 17, 2014 5:50:26 GMT -5
I wish Jo all the best in his future acting career and in life. It's been a great ride.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 17, 2014 7:53:14 GMT -5
I wish Jo all the best in his future acting career and in life. It's been a great ride. Agreed. It's too bad that Jo cannot participate in the weekly series, but I'm glad that Jo's continuing his work in the theatre.
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Post by Trish on Sept 17, 2014 22:25:16 GMT -5
Good luck to Jo. I'm surprised he lasted this long.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 11:57:17 GMT -5
well, a new storyline for Olli, a new man in his life. too bad they didn't change the writting team ...It will be awesome if they don't screw it up, but this is unfortunately something which one can't expect anymore in VL. I wish they would come with something similar much earlier , there woud be maybe bigger chance olli gets something like a serious storyline and future with someone new after all. but now , I don't know how they will deal with the VL weekly version and the filming break Jo will need for the theater play. Event thought they had to know from the beginning when they wrote this storyline, that Jo will play theater in October/November so who knows what they wanted to achieve with this storyline.... I'm sorry that I don't believe anymore there will come anything which I can see as positive for "Olli" from those VL writers. If not just at the beginning or during the stotyline, they will most probably screw up the end anyway. this is like the writting in VL unfortunately works for me in most storylines they show :/
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Post by angel on Oct 7, 2014 11:18:37 GMT -5
well, a new storyline for Olli, a new man in his life. too bad they didn't change the writting team ...It will be awesome if they don't screw it up, but this is unfortunately something which one can't expect anymore in VL. I wish they would come with something similar much earlier , there woud be maybe bigger chance olli gets something like a serious storyline and future with someone new after all. but now , I don't know how they will deal with the VL weekly version and the filming break Jo will need for the theater play. Event thought they had to know from the beginning when they wrote this storyline, that Jo will play theater in October/November so who knows what they wanted to achieve with this storyline.... I'm sorry that I don't believe anymore there will come anything which I can see as positive for "Olli" from those VL writers. If not just at the beginning or during the stotyline, they will most probably screw up the end anyway. this is like the writting in VL unfortunately works for me in most storylines they show :/ Yeah, its a shame what becomes of this former great show.
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Post by angel on Oct 7, 2014 11:36:52 GMT -5
The story goes round in circles. OK its soapy, but its even the same old odd story Olli is unhappy in love, it sucks after all this years. Particularly when you know, that the writers cant write good stories and you allways count with the worst case at the End, like with Sascha, at the start, only fantastic and great and at the end simply sucks.
The Story had been classes better, with switched roles and 1 year earlier: Olli as the one who lost his great love and Jo or someone other who wants go threw with it and breaks the wall of stone around Ollis heart. It had would be easy to kill Chris of with an heartattack or with return ticket with a plain crash other the sea, like Hagen or Ludwig. And wrote a story like that. That would be more emotional, because more people knew Christian instead of Samuel, also they could use many flashbacks. So more people, fans were served with this kind of story, no matter if their Chris, Olli, or Chrolli Fans in the past. But thats unfortunately not VL anymore.
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Post by gabyta07 on Oct 27, 2014 7:06:24 GMT -5
Hi, I dropped VL when Christian left, I understand that Thor needed to go, after all acting is his profession, but I wish the writers had killed off Chris instead of just breaking up this fabulous couple, makes me feel like all the true love moments were just a sham. Today I entered here bc I was curious what had happened to them, and I'm really really disappointed, maybe I am being unreasonable but I can't see another man with Ollie, after all the suffering that I had to go through with the cheating, first of all, the two actors won't have the same chemistry, and even if they bested Chrolli's chemistry, I don't trust the writers to screw things over. I am seeing that the board is almost empty, most of the discussions were made last in 2012-2013, its really sad. I think if they had killed Chris, they could have kept the Chrolli fans, and continue on, but instead they preferred to lose them. After all most of Chrolli fans are not german right, money is money, and german rating is money.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Oct 27, 2014 7:42:35 GMT -5
Hi, I dropped VL when Christian left, I understand that Thor needed to go, after all acting is his profession, but I wish the writers had killed off Chris instead of just breaking up this fabulous couple, makes me feel like all the true love moments were just a sham. Today I entered here bc I was curious what had happened to them, and I'm really really disappointed, maybe I am being unreasonable but I can't see another man with Ollie, after all the suffering that I had to go through with the cheating, first of all, the two actors won't have the same chemistry, and even if they bested Chrolli's chemistry, I don't trust the writers to screw things over. I am seeing that the board is almost empty, most of the discussions were made last in 2012-2013, its really sad. I think if they had killed Chris, they could have kept the Chrolli fans, and continue on, but instead they preferred to lose them. After all most of Chrolli fans are not german right, money is money, and german rating is money.What difference would it have made if the show had killed Christian off? It wouldn't have negated the infidelity. All the suffering you had to go through. The show had a ratings drop for the show, not solely because Chrolli ended.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Oct 27, 2014 7:46:19 GMT -5
i know everyone is going to hate me but, i dont like this chrolli at all. all the kisses, talks about love and marriage seem to me a little bit forced. its like the writers said, so the fans want them together, lets put them together. christian and olli had hurts each other severely for months, now we are suppose to believe olli had an epiphany, and loves christian intensely back again??? im sorry but death or not death, is not enough for me to erase cheatings, insults, indifference... So seeing them together, for me its awkward, they dont have to me the same magic, bc it seems they are together bc they have to.I would prefer Christian being with a woman...or man....and Olli being with Rafa. For me this is the end of the soap, they made a mess of things and its unsaveable This was back in December 2011.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 10:13:31 GMT -5
Sometimes one can find things too amazing and one just has to laugh. I don't know, man, I'll just roll myself out.
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Post by angel on Nov 20, 2014 12:17:09 GMT -5
I and the story would simply not become friends, neither the character Jo, too. Its for my taste to much onesided drama, with to less happy moments together. And Jo is for my taste not charming enough that I would buy this story. I dont care if Jo has from previous relationships, relationship-waste on board, Olli had also history and there also some relationship-waste. And that doesnt excuses everything, its only a simple excuse but that doesnt look good itself for the character, to excuses everything with history, and specially history that we only know from flashbacks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 17:00:17 GMT -5
I and the story would simply not become friends, neither the character Jo, too. Its for my taste to much onesided drama, with to less happy moments together. And Jo is for my taste not charming enough that I would buy this story. I dont care if Jo has from previous relationships, relationship-waste on board, Olli had also history and there also some relationship-waste. And that doesnt excuses everything, its only a simple excuse but that doesnt look good itself for the character, to excuses everything with history, and specially history that we only know from flashbacks. I would even excuse or accept the eternal Jo drama if it was a storyline not pointless at the end anyway. Because I have to admit I like Jo and Olli together and their scenes till now were better than I expected at the beginning. if there was more time and not the bad timing with Jo Weils thater gig and the weekly series changes I can imagine the writers would give them more than I'm afraid that will come. My bad gut feeling is they will drop it before the weekly episodes and Olli goes as a lonely single out from the storyline again. if they will be fair enough they will write it at least as his own decision , or from they both and he won't be just dumped or sent somewhere to forget his lovesickness like it was with his Africa trip because of the divorce and Sascha. even thought the writers knew long ago when the theater gig of Jo Weil takes place so the knew how much time they will have for the possible storyline of Jo with Olli ,so the big question , why actually they wrote Olli into this at all. I would expect they sent Olli somewhere and then maybe reunite him with Jo at the end of the weekly episodes, or not at all and the doc Jo will get a new love interest.even thought it would be very strange and not believable for me when I see how difficult it is for him to open himself to Olli and to start something with him. maybe still better if they wrote them appart , than if they keep the doc Jo but let him cheat on Olli or somethin similary lovely. everything just my speculations and my feeling of the storyline , I would like to be wrong , because I would like to know they didn't write Olli in another lost case storyline and wasted or misuse his feelings and pain and care for another man only for a short storyline and to push and introduce a new character and sad past of new role. After the past storylines and how it ended for Olli another slap in the face is not even about bad or one-sided writting, but only pathetic. then rather no hopes, no new storylines, no wasted love feelings and Olli could stay a happy friend and barkeeper who will enjoy his single life.
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Post by angel on Nov 21, 2014 11:55:47 GMT -5
I would even excuse or accept the eternal Jo drama if it was a storyline not pointless at the end anyway. Because I have to admit I like Jo and Olli together and their scenes till now were better than I expected at the beginning. if there was more time and not the bad timing with Jo Weils thater gig and the weekly series changes I can imagine the writers would give them more than I'm afraid that will come. My bad gut feeling is they will drop it before the weekly episodes and Olli goes as a lonely single out from the storyline again. if they will be fair enough they will write it at least as his own decision , or from they both and he won't be just dumped or sent somewhere to forget his lovesickness like it was with his Africa trip because of the divorce and Sascha. even thought the writers knew long ago when the theater gig of Jo Weil takes place so the knew how much time they will have for the possible storyline of Jo with Olli ,so the big question , why actually they wrote Olli into this at all. I would expect they sent Olli somewhere and then maybe reunite him with Jo at the end of the weekly episodes, or not at all and the doc Jo will get a new love interest.even thought it would be very strange and not believable for me when I see how difficult it is for him to open himself to Olli and to start something with him. maybe still better if they wrote them appart , than if they keep the doc Jo but let him cheat on Olli or somethin similary lovely. everything just my speculations and my feeling of the storyline , I would like to be wrong , because I would like to know they didn't write Olli in another lost case storyline and wasted or misuse his feelings and pain and care for another man only for a short storyline and to push and introduce a new character and sad past of new role. After the past storylines and how it ended for Olli another slap in the face is not even about bad or one-sided writting, but only pathetic. then rather no hopes, no new storylines, no wasted love feelings and Olli could stay a happy friend and barkeeper who will enjoy his single life. Agree mostly with you, the authors are well known capable of anything and known as crazy and very sick. For Charlie, it looks indeed not better, cheated at the end by her years best friend. My gut tells me that also now and in the end, like the last few years, Charlie and Olli, as well as Olivia in the past at the end, the authors and the production not just have a high priority for them, and they want also no happiness for the whole family, they are mostly there for as best friends, as supporters for everything and everyone, for drama and as lifelong eternal losers. Thats one reason of many why VL doesnt works anymore and lost so many viewers, its not good for a show, when only the good person ends always unhappy and as losers, and the bad persons always win everything (power, love and anything else).
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Post by angel on Nov 27, 2014 3:10:39 GMT -5
And again we have an very selfish Doc Jo, who only thinks about himself and not one second about Olli and his problems (his sister is ill) and his feelings (their relationship whether friendship or love). This story sucks.
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Post by LadyArmand on Nov 27, 2014 9:06:15 GMT -5
If you feel this story sucks, then and stop watching. No one is forcing you to watch each episode. That is a choice you are making.
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Post by Trish on Nov 28, 2014 22:03:29 GMT -5
Aren't we getting close to Olli's last days on the show? Are they going to have him and Jo having midcommunications until the very end? That would suck.
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