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Post by davedoty on Mar 27, 2009 20:27:29 GMT -5
Is it wrong that I'm rooting for Craig even when he's clearly hurting everyone around him?
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 27, 2009 20:28:56 GMT -5
Is it wrong that I'm rooting for Craig even when he's clearly hurting everyone around him? No. I admit to a guilty pleasure in enjoying JL's Craig.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 2, 2009 21:07:30 GMT -5
I vented on another forum why I dislike Casey/Alison so much and I wanted to put it out on here too:
I think that Casey & Alison have all the ingredients to make a good couple but for some reason with all those ingredients mixed together, they don't make cake. Their respective behavior in the "murder mystery" storyline only made me dislike the pairing even more.
Looking at those who agree with the OP, there seems to be a common belief of a lack of chemistry between them and the generally milquetoast writing of Alison as a character (I also add in there my own dislike of how immature TPTB made Casey from just a year ago when he was with Emily just to put him in Alison's orbit for her to fix).
Another issue is TPTB are pulling a total "tell" instead of showing viewers why they are both supposedly so hung up on each other. Based on the writing & characters' behavior, I have yet to see what each finds in the other that attracts them. Why does Casey want Alison so much? Why does Alison want Casey so much? What have the viewers been shown by TPTB about their supposedly deep feelings for each other?
I find their "romance" unconvincing, trite and the conversations about what they mean to each other repetitive yet uninformative. I take offense at TPTB using other characters to repeatedly prop up Casey & Alison being OTP to the point of ludicrousness without showing the audience why we should believe the propping. This storyline not only has a spark-free "romance" between two characters VERY badly written when together, but when I watch them, I have no idea why I should root for them to be happy together. I look at them and there is just nothing there. It's made worse by my memory of recent pairings for both Casey and Alison that were much more interesting & sparky. I also resent the ruination of other more interesting characters to make Casey/Alison happen.
Watching Casey/Alison, IMO, is like watching a bad community theatre production of a charm-free romantic comedy. Poor on many levels without the hope that it will get better as it goes along so that all you want is to run away from the agony.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 16, 2009 23:26:24 GMT -5
For those interested in Casey's storyline...
Part 1 of 3 from April 14th:
Part 1 of 2 from April 16th:
I like Casey & Jade together but I am one of those weird folks who likes the character of Jade. Anyhoo, for whatever reason, DW & BM bounce well off each other so the scenes have an easy, natural chemistry to them even when Casey & Jade are sniping at each other. Alison and Casey? Not so much. I think I saw BM pull his groin muscle from all the heavy lifting he did in the first scene at the diner in the April 16th episode trying to make Casey/Alison being cute work. I hate rooting for C/J only because I still think that TPTB are all about Casey/Alison and are teasing me & other fans like me who thinks the C/A pairing sucks with something better only to say "psyche!".
Obviously mileage varies.
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Post by davedoty on Apr 29, 2009 4:41:34 GMT -5
Carly to Brad: "I wouldn't fall for you if you were the last Snyder on Earth."
Ahahahahahaha!
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Post by davedoty on May 1, 2009 2:26:44 GMT -5
I usually try not to harp on the lack of chemistry between Casey and Ali, since lord knows there's plenty of other people to do it, but did anyone else think those brief moments between Ali and Hunter had more chemistry than either Casey/Ali or Emily/Hunter?
Also, a couple of things I've been meaning to say from watching the older eps on Youtube:
1) It was nice to see the ruthless, power executive Lucinda I've heard so much about but never actually seen. Sniping ineffectually at Jade is about the closest to it I'd seen prior to this WWI intrigue against Craig.
2) And now I've seen Old Craig. I have to say, I prefer new Craig. Interestingly, even before I'd seen Old Craig do anything bad, I instinctively disbelieved everything he said. Came across as a total villain. With new Craig, even though he was up to bad stuff from the moment I set eyes on him, I felt like he had legitimate good intentions mixed in there.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 1, 2009 3:42:17 GMT -5
As someone who harps on the lack of Casey & Alison chemistry - deservedly so, I might add - I haven't watched Thursday's episode yet but I can already say that Hunter & Alison have more chemistry than Casey/Alison. I don't think it's possible for a pairing to have less chemistry than Casey/Alison at this point. Seriously. I did read that Casey was classy enough to talk about having a 3-some with Jade and Ali. What I hate is that TPTB won't give Jade a legitimate love interest. Was that Scott Bryce's Craig? If so, last time around he was more villianous than JL's Craig is now but TPTB trashed SB's Craig up and down to prop up Paul/Meg (shocking, I know ). They trashed Rosanna too (she'll be back in 3 weeks). Oddly enough, Craig and Rosanna were still the two that I liked the most in the infamous Quad of Doom even though I thought they all were awful. People compare JL's Craig to Hunt Block's Craig a lot. HB seems to be the "favorite" Craig for a lot of folks but JL is running a close second. ETA....I finally saw Thursday's ep. My thoughts:I liked yesterday because it seemed like a soap opera instead of a mess. That said, I really don't like judgemental Alison. Her comments about Emily out with a new young guy just made me think, "bitch, back up and deal with your own shit". I am just so damn tired of Alison. I also thought it was tacky of Casey to keep talking about threesomes with Jade & Alison (anyone else notice how unhappy Casey was to see Emily with Hunter?) and not cute at all. I also am not feeling the insta-friendship with Jade & Alison. They don't have to be enemies but that was just silly. Oh, and surprise, surprise, Alison had sparks with Hunter. I'm to the point that I think Alison has sparks with everyone but Casey (and Aaron). I enjoyed the Grimaldi-Snyder stuff, capped off by Damian nicely showing Lucinda the door. Holden's paranoia is rampant and unattractive. I am not saying he shouldn't feel threatened on some level but his behavior & his comments to Lily at the end about her needing to quit just make him seem like a madman. Damian doesn't have to do any work if indeed he does want Lily back. Holden's doing all the heavy lifting with his continuously voiced jealous insecurities. A little gossip: ATWT's Van Hanis Auditioned for Gossip Girl, Kings
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Post by jjose712 on May 5, 2009 15:28:05 GMT -5
Interview with Noelle Beck michaelfairmansoaps.com/article/articleItem.cfm?cms_article_id=86Well, both series Van audioned are not doing very well. It's quite usual a daytime actor do a nightime role too, i think one of the gay couple of Desperate Housewives has a role in a daytime soap (i don't know too much about daytime soaps)
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Post by GTSTfanMark on May 6, 2009 13:45:40 GMT -5
I think Tamara Tunie (ex-Jessica) used to do ATWT and Law & Order at the same time.
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Post by jjose712 on May 6, 2009 14:18:17 GMT -5
Well you never know how long it will be the night time role, so if you are a regular on daytime, better keep the role as long as you can perform in both. If the sets of both shows are not too far away and the roles are not the main role, i think it's possible. In fact probably it's more difficult a role in tv and a play on theatre and a lot of actors do that
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Post by Bonobochick on May 12, 2009 14:54:33 GMT -5
So Alison + Hunter = flat. Zero sparks. Yet Hunter's enraptured for some reason. Alison + Casey = paint drying while bamboo shoots are shoved under nails. Yet Casey's enraptured for some reason not shown. And Jade continues to be diminished in order to prop the gloriousness of Alison, made even more egregious by the fact that Jade's really the lone character of color regularly seen on the show. Shameful on top of boring and stupid. Terrible, terrible writing and a miserable storyline. I know Passanante said that there would be growth for Jade in the near future but I don't see how that is going to happen if she isn't allowed to interact with her father (or the rest of her family for that matter cause when was the last time she was hanging out with Luke?) as well as being the whipping post of TPTB to showcase the awesomeness of Alison. I mean, seriously?? Really? And don't get me started on the resolution of the Johnny storyline. UGH. I am just glad it is now over. Next up... I have Meg & Damian to look forward to next week!
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Post by davedoty on May 22, 2009 9:52:47 GMT -5
Okay, I've heard Rosanna's name a lot, but don't know that much about her, except that apparently Craig was in love with her, and tried to kill her but left her in a coma? It looks like I'm going to need to know a little more. Can someone give me a very brief thumbnail sketch of the most pivotal bits about her?
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Post by davedoty on May 22, 2009 13:51:18 GMT -5
Playing several days' catchup: As annoying as Parker often is, he's mostly been within the range of an (exaggerated) normal teen's selfish and short-sighted behavior. But today, the gleeful look on his face when he asked if his mother was hurt and in the hospital creeped me out big time. I think either they're writing him as a sociopath, or he's taken it on himself to play the character that way.
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Post by davedoty on May 30, 2009 8:32:10 GMT -5
I hate it when they introduce new characters in the middle of a storyline! Yesterday, Carly came home from the bar, and there's some teenage boy there. I'm sure that if there were some guy going around the house, caring about other people and being nice to Carly, I would have noticed it. Can someone tell me who this stranger is?
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Post by justinate on May 30, 2009 10:26:07 GMT -5
Okay, I've heard Rosanna's name a lot, but don't know that much about her, except that apparently Craig was in love with her, and tried to kill her but left her in a coma? It looks like I'm going to need to know a little more. Can someone give me a very brief thumbnail sketch of the most pivotal bits about her? Rosanna is Carly's half-sister and the daughter of the billionaire owner of Cabot Motors (which has since gone bankrupt). Back in the day, the sisters were in competition over Mike Kasnoff, with whom Carly eventually had a stillborn daughter, Nora. (Jon Prescott, the most recent Mike, is roughly the same age as Van Hansis, whose character Luke was born around the same time as Nora. Go figure!) Feeling guilty for her part in causing Carly's miscarriage of Nora, Rosanna set up the infamous trust fund for Carly's next kid, Parker Munson (now Snyder). Rosanna has been married to Paul and Craig, twice each. She was also married to Paul's half-brother, Jordan Sinclair (Stenbeck). Craig had managed to illegally adopt Jordan's baby son but was eventually found out and a whole long drama revolved around little Cabot (as the boy was named). Cabot was, of course, the biological grandson of megavillain James Stenbeck. Desperate to keep the child safe from James, Rosanna was forced to give the child away. Remarried to Craig, he and Ro made plans to adopt again, this time from unwed teen mum, Gwen (who later turned out to be Carly's OTHER half-sister, on her father's side). Gwen's baby actually died, but Craig switched the dead baby with the one Jennifer Munson had on the same day. Jen's baby, Johnny (now played by Bailey Harkin) was actually fathered by Craig. In this way, Johnny went through several name changes. Assumed to be Gwen's child, he was named Billy Norbeck. Adopted by Rosanna, who ended up in a coma after realising the truth about the baby switch and Craig ran her off the road, the baby was raised by her sister Carly as "Rory Cabot". Eventually reunited with his birth mother, he was named Johnny Donovan. Craig wanted his biological son to be named Craig Montgomery, Jr. Realising the fighting between the boy's biological and adoptive fathers would never stop, even after Jen died, Craig's daughter Lucy took her baby brother and ran. Awakening from her coma, Rosanna remarried Paul. Paul, however, was still in love with Meg, although she was engaged to Craig. Meg was pregnant, insisting the father was Paul; unable to bear the thought of Meg having her husband's child, Ro altered the DNA test to make it seem as though Craig was the father. The truth eventually came out, Paul confronted Craig (who knew the baby wasn't his, and had tried to induce an abortion) and, while trying to break up their fight, Meg "fell" onto the bed and lost Paul's baby boy. Paul couldn't forgive Ro for her part in all this, so she resorted to "kidnapping" him to the Caribbean to rekindle their love. Paul convinced the pilot he would file kidnapping charges and he turned the plane back to Oakdale. Rosanna slipped back into her coma out of stress at the situation, and was shipped off to a clinic.
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Post by davedoty on May 30, 2009 10:41:20 GMT -5
Thanks! Is that the same Gwen as from the infamous Gwen/Will/Cleo triangle from the Nuke clips?
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 7, 2009 19:41:34 GMT -5
Davedoty, same Gwen. Some of the actors from ATWT and GL played in a softball game against OLTL and AMC actors: www.welovesoaps.net/2009/06/photos-11th-annual-tammy-rubin-rice.html BTW, I came across Davida Williams' (aka Jade)official website this afternoon davidawilliamsonline.com/ She's so much prettier than they do her up on the show. Now I am off to the grocery store to get more cranberry juice for my vodka to make it through next week's episodes. Outside of Noah/Luke, the prettiness of Riley (and Hunter on mute) and Craig/Carly, there isn't a lot to look forward to on this show right now... and according to spoilers, also in the near future.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 23, 2009 14:15:30 GMT -5
Why do I get the feeling TPTB are going to have Riley & Alison hook up? Why is Alison the friendly port for all men under 30 and Meg for all men over 30? There are so many single women on this show that have no love interests... when they're even allowed onscreen... but almost every guy is panting after Meg or Alison.
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Post by floatilla on Jun 24, 2009 21:05:21 GMT -5
I drift in and out of ATWT and in the past few weeks I drifted i and something jutted out at me........ .....I cant be the only one who has noticed how much Casey has beefed up. He looks like someone on roids. HUGE.......It just looked wierd to me. Has anyone else noticed? Any explanation given? storyline, other part? I swear its not subtle.... I seriously cant be the only one who has noticed....... :-\ .......
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 25, 2009 5:34:12 GMT -5
Yes, i notice that too. He is just huge now
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Post by davedoty on Jun 30, 2009 14:43:07 GMT -5
OH MY GOD! In all of my admittedly short soap watching history, I don't think I've hated a character as much as I hate Riley Morgan right now. And that was before I found out he was a rapist.
OTOH, did Bonnie just deliberately set Paul back on Meg's trail and give him hints on how to do it? If so, that's the most subtlety I've seen from a character on this show, ever.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 30, 2009 15:59:05 GMT -5
Technically Adam isn't a rapist. He attacked Gwen and tried to rape her. I think even TPTB realized a few years ago that they shouldn't have gone as far as they did and reigned back Adam some. I've read lots of fan comments over the years pissed off at how TPTB destroyed Adam. And I actually am looking forward to the drama of Margo, Tom, Casey and Adam. And I want TPTB to work on fixing the unnecessary and ridiculous hatchet job they did on Adam last time he was in town. Adam's history: www.soapcentral.com/atwt/whoswho/adam.phpI don't watch anything that centers around Queen Meg. No thank you.
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Post by dalia on Jul 3, 2009 0:07:30 GMT -5
Does anyone know whats going on with the Alison x Hunter storyline right now? Are they half siblings or what?
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Post by davedoty on Jul 3, 2009 0:13:15 GMT -5
Emily suspects they're siblings. She stole DNA from each to test, but we haven't heard yet.
If I'm following the plot correctly, though, they would actually be FULL siblings. Both conceived with Emily's eggs and... dang, I blanked on his name... that guy's sperm, but implanted in two different women.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 3, 2009 0:55:21 GMT -5
Larry. Here's the clip of today's episode with that storyline:
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