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Post by talula on Feb 16, 2015 11:42:34 GMT -5
I simply adore Richie ,how can you not love that man,huh? and i love Patrick with Richie, i think he brings the best from him,it's good Patrick decided to come clean say all the truth to Richie and said he is sorry how it's ended between them,it was painful but right thing to do,i think they still in love with each other, and i hope they will be together again never thought i could like Agustin, but i like him a lot this season,Eddie is so adorable and fun,their chemistry is amazing, hope Eddie will stay on the next season, he is a gem!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:41:47 GMT -5
I think "Looking for Truth" showed growth in both Richie and Patrick, in the characters and their connection to one another. There are hints of an actually constructive relationship, even if just platonic. We saw that they can both challenge each other to be better people without any hidden agenda or ulterior motive. What a change of pace for Patrick. I fleetingly wondered whether the show is going to reference a potential impairment or issue with Jon (related to drinking for instance, which has been sort of alluded to before) to be used by Kevin to justify his ~dilemma~ and inability to leave the guy, or simply to give credence to his man pain. Not an excuse by any means for his behavior regardless to me, but last night’s episode made me ponder about it. Pure speculation though.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 16, 2015 19:26:42 GMT -5
I think "Looking for Truth" showed growth in both Richie and Patrick, in the characters and their connection to one another. There are hints of an actually constructive relationship, even if just platonic. We saw that they can both challenge each other to be better people without any hidden agenda or ulterior motive. What a change of pace for Patrick. I fleetingly wondered whether the show is going to reference a potential impairment or issue with Jon (related to drinking for instance, which has been sort of alluded to before) to be used by Kevin to justify his ~dilemma~ and inability to leave the guy, or simply to give credence to his man pain. Not an excuse by any means for his behavior regardless to me, but last night’s episode made me ponder about it. Pure speculation though. The writers haven't done it yet, but we still have 5 more episodes to air for this season. I hope that they don't do that, but we shall see, because at this point, Kevin is definitely more "human" than "saintly and perfect" Richie, but his flaws aren't things that can be pushed aside due to love.
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Post by dalia on Feb 17, 2015 7:39:14 GMT -5
just wondering if the person who recaps Looking on thebacklot actually likes the show. he's constantly negative. i think i need to stop reading those.
some people's ire for this show really gets to me. >_> although i understand it may not be everybody's cup of tea.
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Post by LadyArmand on Feb 17, 2015 7:56:54 GMT -5
I think some of the people who have issues with the show are some of the same people who might have thought Queer as Folk was high art. Looking actually looks at real relationships and how complicated life as a gay man can be at any age. That Patrick, Agustin and Dom can be complete messes isn't going to be attractive so some people because it reminds them too much of their own lives and some people simply want the fantasy. And that's great but that's not what this show is.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 17, 2015 8:47:43 GMT -5
I think some of the people who have issues with the show are some of the same people who might have thought Queer as Folk was high art. Looking actually looks at real relationships and how complicated life as a gay man can be at any age. That Patrick, Agustin and Dom can be complete messes isn't going to be attractive so some people because it reminds them too much of their own lives and some people simply want the fantasy. And that's great but that's not what this show is.Agreed, especially about wanting the fantasy. Some folks keep saying that Richie is this fantasy character, that they don't get why folks like. He may be a fantasy for some, but I don't think that seeing a character that tries to protect their heart, as well as being open, kind and nice to other people is a fantasy. Kevin isn't a fantasy character at all, but some folks keep on hoping that he'll suddenly get his act together and be the guy that Patrick wants. Patrick couldn't be that way for Richie and he found out the hard way after giving Patrick another shot. At least Richie can admit to himself and Patrick that he would miss not having him in his life, but now as a friend. That was Richie's decision and he could have cut off all ties with Patrick. Which is his right.
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Post by talula on Feb 17, 2015 9:08:14 GMT -5
I think some of the people who have issues with the show are some of the same people who might have thought Queer as Folk was high art. Looking actually looks at real relationships and how complicated life as a gay man can be at any age. That Patrick, Agustin and Dom can be complete messes isn't going to be attractive so some people because it reminds them too much of their own lives and some people simply want the fantasy. And that's great but that's not what this show is. well, i adore Looking and i adore QAF, i think QAF was very significant and important for gay culture and they explored a lot real issues and problems in gay community,but i agree it's two very different shows,and it's ok, i love it
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Post by LadyArmand on Feb 17, 2015 9:10:47 GMT -5
I've never understood the need for people to see characters they say they like in dysfunctional and sometimes down right destructive relationships. There is no good end for Patrick and Kevin, because Keven is too much of a chicken shit to end his relationship. And even if he did, in the back of Patrick's mind (if he has any sense) would be the nagging thought of "if he cheated with me he'd cheat on me". And that paranoia would eventually ruin the relationship anyway.
I feel sorry for people who think that because Richie is a decent human being who after getting hurt won't allow himself to jump in bed with Patrick (who is clearly rebounding) and hurt him again. I feel sorry for people who think that Richie is a fantasy because he has decided not to be bitter about something he couldn't change, and still wants to see if he and Patrick can be friends. It's actually rather a sad commentary that there are people out there who would rather see Patrick with Kevin who on a certain level is a manipulating user, rather than Richie who has been open and honest with him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 10:43:55 GMT -5
just wondering if the person who recaps Looking on thebacklot actually likes the show. he's constantly negative. i think i need to stop reading those. some people's ire for this show really gets to me. >_> although i understand it may not be everybody's cup of tea. I think it’s okay to accept that not only is it all relative indeed when it comes to mere opinions, but also certain gay media, while important for representation, can often be far from the authority on what is decent or enjoyable, and even be counterproductive or just plain wrong. If you feel that way, no offense to those who enjoy or work for them, like I did years ago in regards to some of them, feel free to stop reading them and continue to enjoy what you enjoy while you can. A lot of the same people that you see criticizing the show as not being representative enough or not reflective of themselves will be fawning over slash pairings of canonically straight characters on other (more representative? ) shows, often stomping their feet for said shows to get over themselves and give them their fantasy on screen. We all have the right to like or dislike whatever we wish, but some people who want to pick and choose what representation means or representation to be made available will gladly ostracize actual representation just because it doesn’t meet their utopian fantasy. Sad to the rest of us, but it is what it is. Some just have this way of demanding what they were never promised and making it the basis of their judgment and opinions. Also, I personally tend to automatically tune out anyone who pits this show against QAF unfavorably, it’s best to leave it at that, lol. I ventured into some YT comments and saw from fervent Patrick/Kevin shippers a combination of: Richie is too perfect, Richie is too judgmental or too sweet – take your pick, Raúl is straight so it’s uncomfortable or less ‘natural’ to see him with gay Jonathan (and since Russell is gay, it’s so much better), this is the next best thing since Russell and Jonathan are not/cannot be together in real life, etc. All funny to me. At least some can just admit they find them hot together or they love this actor/character and want them to have whatever they desire, therefore they should end up together, without any regard for storytelling, character depth, identity or well-being, or sometimes just logic. I may not find such opinions all that valid, but at least they’re not some of the nonsensical excuses people come up with to denigrate other decent characters, actors or pairings and prop up their favorites. When those are the majority of arguments used to root for a pairing on any given show, it usually tells me all I need to know about it anyway.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 17, 2015 12:59:36 GMT -5
just wondering if the person who recaps Looking on thebacklot actually likes the show. he's constantly negative. i think i need to stop reading those. some people's ire for this show really gets to me. >_> although i understand it may not be everybody's cup of tea. I think it’s okay to accept that not only is it all relative indeed when it comes to mere opinions, but also certain gay media, while important for representation, can often be far from the authority on what is decent or enjoyable, and even be counterproductive or just plain wrong. If you feel that way, no offense to those who enjoy or work for them, like I did years ago in regards to some of them, feel free to stop reading them and continue to enjoy what you enjoy while you can. A lot of the same people that you see criticizing the show as not being representative enough or not reflective of themselves will be fawning over slash pairings of canonically straight characters on other (more representative? ) shows, often stomping their feet for said shows to get over themselves and give them their fantasy on screen. We all have the right to like or dislike whatever we wish, but some people who want to pick and choose what representation means or representation to be made available will gladly ostracize actual representation just because it doesn’t meet their utopian fantasy. Sad to the rest of us, but it is what it is. Some just have this way of demanding what they were never promised and making it the basis of their judgment and opinions. Also, I personally tend to automatically tune out anyone who pits this show against QAF unfavorably, it’s best to leave it at that, lol. I ventured into some YT comments and saw from fervent Patrick/Kevin shippers a combination of: Richie is too perfect, Richie is too judgmental or too sweet – take your pick, Raúl is straight so it’s uncomfortable or less ‘natural’ to see him with gay Jonathan (and since Russell is gay, it’s so much better), this is the next best thing since Russell and Jonathan are not/cannot be together in real life, etc. All funny to me. At least some can just admit they find them hot together or they love this actor/character and want them to have whatever they desire, therefore they should end up together, without any regard for storytelling, character depth, identity or well-being, or sometimes just logic. I may not find such opinions all that valid, but at least they’re not some of the nonsensical excuses people come up with to denigrate other decent characters, actors or pairings and prop up their favorites. When those are the majority of arguments used to root for a pairing on any given show, it usually tells me all I need to know about it anyway. Agreed. Especially after this Sunday's episode, which the main focus was on Patrick finding the courage to admit the truth to Richie. Now, it was probably part obsolving himself from the pain and guilt he has carried all this time about hurting Richie, but another part was that Patrick realized that if he was going to try and have ANY sort of friendship/hope of renewing his romance with Richie, that he deserved to know what exactly happened on that night they broke up. I mean, Richie and Patrick were only dating for maybe two to three months and he's able to understand that Richie needed to hear him apologize. Kevin is still stringing Jon along with his silence. I understand that it's difficult to end a longterm relationship, but IF Kevin is as miserable as he told Patrick, why continue to stay in the relationship? From the little we have seen of his interactions with Jon, his boyfriend is not this controlling guy, who needs to know everything that Kevin does in his life, outside of their relationship.
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Post by dalia on Feb 17, 2015 17:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 17, 2015 19:32:52 GMT -5
I've never understood the need for people to see characters they say they like in dysfunctional and sometimes down right destructive relationships. There is no good end for Patrick and Kevin, because Keven is too much of a chicken shit to end his relationship. And even if he did, in the back of Patrick's mind (if he has any sense) would be the nagging thought of "if he cheated with me he'd cheat on me". And that paranoia would eventually ruin the relationship anyway. I feel sorry for people who think that because Richie is a decent human being who after getting hurt won't allow himself to jump in bed with Patrick (who is clearly rebounding) and hurt him again. I feel sorry for people who think that Richie is a fantasy because he has decided not to be bitter about something he couldn't change, and still wants to see if he and Patrick can be friends. It's actually rather a sad commentary that there are people out there who would rather see Patrick with Kevin who on a certain level is a manipulating user, rather than Richie who has been open and honest with him.I really think it's the fantasy that with Patrick's love, support, patience and devotion, Kevin will suddenly "change" and be the man that Patrick wants. Which also plays into the believe that because the love that Patrick and Kevin have for each other, that Kevin would never, ever cheat on him with someone else. Kevin cannot be that man for Jon and from what little we have seen from Jon, the show hasn't gone down the path of writing him as this horrible boyfriend that treats Kevin badly, to make it easier for the audience to want him with Patrick. From what I've seen, Jon just wants to be able to share in Kevin's life. He left his life in Seattle in order to be with him. Three months and not allowed to visit Kevin's place of work? Even afterhours or over a weekend? C'mon.
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Post by dalia on Feb 20, 2015 5:44:17 GMT -5
Looking Episode 6 clips (no Richie, unfortunately)
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 21, 2015 19:11:49 GMT -5
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 22, 2015 22:42:34 GMT -5
Kevin is a dirtbag. The obstacle isn't Jon at all and Patrick finally realizes it after tonight's amazing episode.
That little shake of Patrick's head, shows that he knows that Kevin will continue on with the waffling BS, if Patrick lets him do it.
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Post by dalia on Feb 23, 2015 0:47:24 GMT -5
Preview for Episode 7
Inside episode 6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 2:24:04 GMT -5
Kevin is a dirtbag. The obstacle isn't Jon at all and Patrick finally realizes it after tonight's amazing episode. That little shake of Patrick's head, shows that he knows that Kevin will continue on with the waffling BS, if Patrick lets him do it. Was there any doubt about that? And Patrick is really pathetic. He doesn’t even see how problematic in itself Kevin suggesting to uproot yet again his betrayed boyfriend just because things are weird between them is. That’s how this guy treats the man who has that place in his life, a place Patrick’s been wanting to take over for whatever reason. What’s so appealing about that exactly? That is so disrespectful to Jon, manipulative of Patrick’s feelings, or both. Either way, it’s repulsive. Side note: Did anyone also wonder whether Jon's question to Kevin about what Patrick was talking about in regards to Seattle potentially implied that there was actually no moving talk between them? I don't know, it could have double meaning on top of cluing him in about something going with Kevin and Patrick. Kevin bringing Jon to his (ex)lover’s party was indeed also another level of sliminess. I don’t care if he was invited or drunk, he should have never showed up with Jon, in the place where part of the affair occurred. Such a messed up, asshole thing to do and insulting to everyone outside of himself, since he’s shown he’s the only one that matters. Never mind love and all that, does he actually have any respect whatsoever for the man in his life? What could Patrick hope for with this guy, in addition to the cheating inclination? Add to that Patrick, regardless if he was drunk, making that loaded speech and final comment to Jon’s face. The guy’s being taken for a fool, not just dressed up like one, and I fail to see what's amusing about that. Save Jon, I say. Patrick can fend for himself, I don’t care, he knows the score and he’s about as self-absorbed as Kevin. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him, especially if he continues to go after that tail. Keep Richie away from that, please. Also, the mess that was Patrick tried it with Brady, but Brady certainly upped him with everyone looking on, lol. Richie's face and Dom's chuckle were priceless.
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Post by anthonyl on Feb 23, 2015 2:24:10 GMT -5
Kevin is a dirtbag. The obstacle isn't Jon at all and Patrick finally realizes it after tonight's amazing episode. That little shake of Patrick's head, shows that he knows that Kevin will continue on with the waffling BS, if Patrick lets him do it. Clearly Kevin was lying when he said he and Jon was moving to get Patrick to continue being his piece on the side. He's a liar and it's what liars do. But Patrick was breathtakingly assholey tonight. I was just... wow. And even if things don't work with Brady, Richie should go nowhere near Patrick, who acted like a child throwing a temper tantrum when things don't go his way.
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Post by harmonium on Feb 23, 2015 3:00:21 GMT -5
It was painful to see that "drunk" speech that Patrick gave. (I have put inverted commas on the drunk word because I can't really tell if he is drunk or just going through a nervous breakdown). That speech was really awful coz it shows how jealous he is and that he needs to pull his friends down (the ones that stuck by him) by making sarcastic comments about them. I found it really childish and silly. And to think Patrick was making progress on the previous episode, this episode make him looked really bad. Maybe the writers are really writing these scenes to show that Patrick is indeed still an indecisive person who just can't make up his mind on things and does not stick to his decisions. Really disappointed in Patrick after today's episode.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 23, 2015 6:36:04 GMT -5
Kevin is a dirtbag. The obstacle isn't Jon at all and Patrick finally realizes it after tonight's amazing episode. That little shake of Patrick's head, shows that he knows that Kevin will continue on with the waffling BS, if Patrick lets him do it. Was there any doubt about that? And Patrick is really pathetic. He doesn’t even see how problematic in itself Kevin suggesting to uproot yet again his betrayed boyfriend just because things are weird between them is. That’s how this guy treats the man who has that place in his life, a place Patrick’s been wanting to take over for whatever reason. What’s so appealing about that exactly? That is so disrespectful to Jon, manipulative of Patrick’s feelings, or both. Either way, it’s repulsive. Side note: Did anyone also wonder whether Jon's question to Kevin about what Patrick was talking about in regards to Seattle potentially implied that there was actually no moving talk between them? I don't know, it could have double meaning on top of cluing him in about something going with Kevin and Patrick.Kevin bringing Jon to his (ex)lover’s party was indeed also another level of sliminess. I don’t care if he was invited or drunk, he should have never showed up with Jon, in the place where part of the affair occurred. Such a messed up, asshole thing to do and insulting to everyone outside of himself, since he’s shown he’s the only one that matters. Never mind love and all that, does he actually have any respect whatsoever for the man in his life? What could Patrick hope for with this guy, in addition to the cheating inclination? Add to that Patrick, regardless if he was drunk, making that loaded speech and final comment to Jon’s face. The guy’s being taken for a fool, not just dressed up like one, and I fail to see what's amusing about that. Save Jon, I say. Patrick can fend for himself, I don’t care, he knows the score and he’s about as self-absorbed as Kevin. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him, especially if he continues to go after that tail. Keep Richie away from that, please. Also, the mess that was Patrick tried it with Brady, but Brady certainly upped him with everyone looking on, lol. Richie's face and Dom's chuckle were priceless. There has never been any doubt about Kevin's behavior. When he tossed Patrick's hair and told him "I don't know" after they just had unprotected sex on their office floor, I knew that he was a jerk. He's just a jerk, in the pretty package that is Russell Tovey. More on that below. Brady rose in my eyes, in that he didn't back down from calling out Patrick on his clear lack of knowledge, on something that he doesn't know enough about, to try and get back at him, for being with the guy, that he tossed aside, so that he could end up being a side piece, to his lying cheater of a boss, who will not leave his boyfriend. 100 points for Brady. I'm also pleased that Richie is with someone like Brady. Brady can hold his own. He's interesting and he knows who he is, what he wants and who he wants. Patrick's drunken meltdown was great, because nothing he wanted to see happened that night, in the way that he wanted to happen and he lashed out, at all the wrong people and when he finally went there, in regards to how much of a shit Kevin is being towards him, all of the folks that Patrick just trashed, pulled him away from going over the edge. Patrick, sleep it off and remember how Kevin, denied the truth, yet again to Jon at your home, regarding his supposed need for you. Yet, he probably won't and Kevin's betting on continuing to weaken Patrick to get him back. I think that Jon is growing aware of Kevin and something happening between him and Patrick, but he wants Kevin to tell him the truth. Even if he isn't aware of the moving back to Seattle idea, who in the hell does that to the man that just moved his entire life, in order to be with him? Jon just moved down to San Francisco about six months ago. Everything that Kevin has done, continues to show the ugly side to him and I applaud the writers/creators and Russell Tovey for going there, in their depiction of Kevin. They are not, at all over-romanticising the BS that happens, when you're involved with someone else, who has another lover/spouse. The things you let yourself deal with, in order to be with that person.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 23, 2015 6:47:34 GMT -5
Kevin is a dirtbag. The obstacle isn't Jon at all and Patrick finally realizes it after tonight's amazing episode. That little shake of Patrick's head, shows that he knows that Kevin will continue on with the waffling BS, if Patrick lets him do it. Clearly Kevin was lying when he said he and Jon was moving to get Patrick to continue being his piece on the side. He's a liar and it's what liars do. But Patrick was breathtakingly assholey tonight. I was just... wow.And even if things don't work with Brady, Richie should go nowhere near Patrick, who acted like a child throwing a temper tantrum when things don't go his way.It was such a horrible side that Patrick displayed in his rant, because he's mad at himself for letting all of this happen to him. It was his choice to continue on with Kevin. It wasn't his choice to end things with Richie, but he's not going to let himself be triffled with and in how Brady was able to put Patrick in his place, Richie was able to see that he made the right decision. The affair hasn't been good for Patrick at all and I would love for him to recognize that one day.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 23, 2015 6:56:48 GMT -5
It was painful to see that "drunk" speech that Patrick gave. (I have put inverted commas on the drunk word because I can't really tell if he is drunk or just going through a nervous breakdown). That speech was really awful coz it shows how jealous he is and that he needs to pull his friends down (the ones that stuck by him) by making sarcastic comments about them. I found it really childish and silly. And to think Patrick was making progress on the previous episode, this episode make him looked really bad. Maybe the writers are really writing these scenes to show that Patrick is indeed still an indecisive person who just can't make up his mind on things and does not stick to his decisions. Really disappointed in Patrick after today's episode.The writers/creators are revealing the ugly and not so adult behavior of how some folks cannot handle being "the other man" in an affair. This episode seemed to be difficult for lots of viewers to watch, because it revealed an even more ugly and pathetic side to Patrick and Kevin. Patrick's admission to Kevin about not wanting him to leave for Seattle was all he needed to know. He purposely brought Jon to Patrick's party, to get a reaction from him. Kevin knows that Patrick still wants him. Now, it's up to Patrick on if he chooses to go back to Kevin and deal with the status quo. Kevin will never willingly leave Jon. Kevin's a liar. From EW community.ew.com/2015/02/20/looking-hbo-evolution-of-kevin/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 0:10:40 GMT -5
They are not, at all over-romanticising the BS that happens, when you're involved with someone else, who has another lover/spouse. The things you let yourself deal with, in order to be with that person. And thank goodness for that. It showed that this gross mess and Kevin really brought out the worst in Patrick. He felt bad, being in a situation that he willingly helped create, so he took everyone down with him. Someone wondering why Patrick and (season 1) Agustín were friends could watch this and think they got their answer. It’s clear Richie still has feelings for this fool, but he also knows he deserves better. Let him live by the latter. I'm not even sure we’ve seen all of Kevin’s lies yet, even if things end with Jon. I had to laugh at a shipper's offer that Kevin was being ooc compared to before. Ah, the early charms of an affair. How did Kevin get Patrick in his pants in the first place? Lying, cheating and trying to manipulate situations to get what he wants are hardly ooc for him.
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Post by LadyArmand on Feb 24, 2015 4:24:20 GMT -5
I am loving Brady and Richie together. I like that Brady is smart, talented and can hold his own with anyone. I like that he knows who he is and what and more importantly who he wants. And I like that Patrick is getting to see close up and personal how badly he fucked up by letting Richie go so he could be someone's piece on the side.
Kevin is what he is, the point of all of this is whether or not Patrick will finally see and accept that and realize for good that he deserves better than Kevin, even if things end with Jon.
Patrick's melt down to me was funny, because all of his wounds are self inflicted. He did all of this to himself. No you can't help who you fall for, but you can certainly help how you react. So for him to melt down over the fact that Richie is moving on with someone who is clearly better for him and that Kevin is standing pat struck me as funny.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 24, 2015 7:37:53 GMT -5
They are not, at all over-romanticising the BS that happens, when you're involved with someone else, who has another lover/spouse. The things you let yourself deal with, in order to be with that person. And thank goodness for that. It showed that this gross mess and Kevin really brought out the worst in Patrick. He felt bad, being in a situation that he willingly helped create, so he took everyone down with him. Someone wondering why Patrick and (season 1) Agustín were friends could watch this and think they got their answer. It’s clear Richie still has feelings for this fool, but he also knows he deserves better. Let him live by the latter. I'm not even sure we’ve seen all of Kevin’s lies yet, even if things end with Jon. I had to laugh at a shipper's offer that Kevin was being ooc compared to before. Ah, the early charms of an affair. How did Kevin get Patrick in his pants in the first place? Lying, cheating and trying to manipulate situations to get what he wants are hardly ooc for him. That is why I want to see Patrick to really recognize his choice, behavior and actions from the last couple of months (I think 6 months time has passed), that he let all of this happen to him, for a guy, who's a manipulator. Kevin is hot, charming, intelligent and someone, who would like "right" being beside Patrick. Yet, there are all these caution signs that should be going off, inside Patrick's mind, about how Kevin treats the men, that he supposedly cares about in his life. When he can lie to Jon, with such ease, how could there be any trust established between Kevin and Patrick? There could never be a firm sense of trust for Patrick towards Kevin and if folks, who find him intolerable now, could you imagine a Patrick, worried about Kevin, whenever he's out of his sight?
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