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Post by scissorknot on Jun 2, 2012 14:20:44 GMT -5
What I didn't get though is why Ste feels the need to tell everybody about them like he is 12 year old and wants everybody to know he has a boyfriend... He wanted Doug to not feel like they have to hide, but now that they've established that they are a couple is it necessary to go and announce it? I would have expected them to bask in their happy little bobble, and say yes we are a couple if anybody asked I had the same impression, sister . I really thought they'd keep their - very incipient- relationship almost like a secret, considering Doug is a newbie, and that they're also business partners. Add into the mix the potential menace that BB represents Maybe Ste wants (in a subconscious level) this relationship to be the opposite of the secretive one he shared with BB? Who knows That is what I was thinking. When they were together everything was so behind closed doors. Like when they had fake girlfriend or when they would sleep at Brendan's when Cheryl of Lynsey were out of town. Maybe Ste is afraid of something like that happening since Doug is fresh out of the closet so he is making sure that it doesn't happen. Better to end the relationship now if he was not comfortable then to get invested in it and then have to deal with the heart break of dealing with another closet case.
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Post by harmonium on Jun 3, 2012 2:01:55 GMT -5
I'm so late with my comments. But hey, this week's episodes are amazing! First of all, Doug and his friends. It's great to have friends like them. Leanne (though she is just a motor mouth, but she has a genuine heart), Texas (she knew all it along and totally understand what Doug is going through), Riley (a str8 mate who truly cares), Lyndsey (lovely girl, no wonder Riley will fall for her) and Dennis (despite him being a noisy guy, he is there for the friend who needs his support). I am so gonna ship Riley + Doug. LOL! Dougley anyone? And the writers has succesfully make me feel angry and sad at Doug at the same time. Angry because he left his business partner, good friend and potential lover for 2 weeks alone to manage the shop. Poor Ste, he just look like a zombie in the scenes for the week. And whenever Doug a stumbling block, he will just run away and hide. Sad because he is struggling with his identity and when he finally get the courage to try to get near to the guy he likes, he got snapped in the end. And PJ is just pure gold on Thursday. Finally some material to showcase his acting chops. He always get to me when he cries and he get all sad with his puppy blue eyes. PJ better get nominate for some awards at the end of the year!! The scene with Lyndsey is gotta be one of the best scenes ever. If I was Lyndsey, I would have hold Doug and tell him everything will turn out fine. And yes, "Don't wait around to be loved" is such a great line. And finally, another confrontation scene. Great one. Love it when Doug finally admits to his mistakes and confesses his true feelings again. I think Ste needed assurances. I think Doug is the bigger man and can give Ste the future he needs. I mean even thoug Doug just came out, I think with time, he will be able to protect and build the love he has with Ste. And Carmel, bless you!! As for spoilers, I got to say, angst is needed, but I think things are looking kinda good.
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Post by ila on Jun 3, 2012 8:27:52 GMT -5
Oh harmonium, I really love your recaps with pictures and gifs!
I agree with you that one of the best things about this week (and all the storyline's so far) is Doug's friends being there for him no matter what.
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Post by bsgnut on Jun 3, 2012 18:31:34 GMT -5
What a great kiss between them at the end. I cheered. Finally somebody good for Ste!
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Post by dalia on Jun 4, 2012 1:00:42 GMT -5
i like Ste a lot more now with Doug. finally his personality can shine - and Doug - how can you not love him? every time i see him, i like him more and more. ^^
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Post by ila on Jun 4, 2012 2:42:26 GMT -5
I agree Dalia!
Anyway, I can't cope with how beautiful last Thursday's episode is. I keep watching it over and over again. Especially the last scene. It's my favorite episode off all times! ;D Waiting for a new and better Stug episode, if it's possible..
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Post by nahuela on Jun 4, 2012 14:53:26 GMT -5
tonights episode... first ;D and <3, then and in the end
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Post by queenmab126 on Jun 4, 2012 15:02:31 GMT -5
I don't get why Ste would compare Doug to BB. He screwed up, big time, but why would it be in order to control him? Dunno, to me they still are 2 completely different people, even though I would be fuming, just like he is, because Doug didn't get just how important it was for him to avoid getting BB involved in their 'baby'
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Post by ila on Jun 4, 2012 15:16:36 GMT -5
Ste and Doug were so cute together at the beginning!
In this episode I could see Ste's worst nightmare come true. I get why he is so angry at Doug, he really thought he could trust him. Poor Ste, he really thought he was finally able to do something with his life and to have been able to close the Brendan chapter of his life. And I get why Ste (right now) thinks Doug is the same as Brendan, but he will realize it's not true..
I'm glad, though that we didn't have weeks of Doug lying to Ste and of Brendan threatening Doug of telling Ste about the money.
You know, I truly enjoyed the last couple of episodes because they embraced different range of emotions, whether they start with happiness and end up with sadness like today's or the other way around like Thursday's. Good job, Hollyoaks up until now!
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Post by amber80 on Jun 4, 2012 15:28:24 GMT -5
I don't get why Ste would compare Doug to BB. He screwed up, big time, but why would it be in order to control him? Dunno, to me they still are 2 completely different people, even though I would be fuming, just like he is, because Doug didn't get just how important it was for him to avoid getting BB involved in their 'baby' I think it just says alot about how hurt he was in the past by Brendan and how much he doesn't want a repetition of that kind of relationship ever again. Ste was really proud of all he had accomplished on his own (or so he thought) and now it seems Brendan is controlling him all over again. It's still not over! I think he's just really, really dissapointed. Like he said: he'd rather fail on his own, than ever owe Brendan again. When I see Ste I see someone who wants to be proud of himself. Someone who wants to take care of his kids without the help of others. It's really important to feel independent (I know from own experience!). Having to depend on others is not good for one's self esteem. Especially if you have to depend on someone who is everything but good for your self esteem. We all know Brendan loves it when Ste had to depend on him: that way he's the one in control. Ste compared Doug with Brendan because he felt Doug had taken control over his / their life. He got the money from Brendan even though he knew that was the last thing Ste wanted. So instead of listening to Ste, Doug did what he felt was right. So in a way it is controlling. (Although I don't look at it as 'controlling in a bad way', but that's another discussion => it's all about how Ste will preceive it, considering his history with being controled and manipulated.)
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Post by harmonium on Jun 4, 2012 15:57:35 GMT -5
The writers sure know how to wet our appetite. Another short-lived sweet moment and before we know it, they are over. And I love it when they left it open-ended when Doug asked Ste what is over. Because I think deep down in Ste, he knows that he doesn't mean it when he said it's over. I guess, in the heat of the moment, everything that person said cannot be taken at the face value. But knowing Doug, I think he will take it literally.
I love it when Doug got all jealous when Brendan flaunted the fact that Ste still remembers his eating preferences. I love jealous Doug. Plain adorable. And thank God, Ste told him he did it because Doug asked him too.
I think you can really see the difference between treating one as equal and being in control of someone else's life. Doug really wants to make things work with Ste, and he risked it by telling Ste the truth (even though he was sorta threatened/forced by Brendan). Poor Douggie, I still love you despite you flaws.
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Post by amber80 on Jun 4, 2012 16:00:08 GMT -5
Flaws make a character interesting and loved. Perfect characters are boring. ;D
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Post by queenmab126 on Jun 4, 2012 16:05:20 GMT -5
I think Doug almost 'forgot' about the money deal, he pushed the problem aside and though he could deal with it later on. But BB obviously forced him to deal with it right at that moment, and Doug, honestly wanting like he said a relationship based on trust, took a gamble and confessed everythig instead of trying every possible way to solve it without bringing Ste in, like BB would have done.
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Post by harmonium on Jun 4, 2012 16:05:55 GMT -5
^I agree. But it's ok that Doug has flaws coz his perfect blue eyes will just conceal all his flaws (at least to me). LOL! Doug with his killer eyes: BITCH PLEASE! LOL!
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 4, 2012 16:09:25 GMT -5
I don't get why Ste would compare Doug to BB. He screwed up, big time, but why would it be in order to control him? Dunno, to me they still are 2 completely different people, even though I would be fuming, just like he is, because Doug didn't get just how important it was for him to avoid getting BB involved in their 'baby' I think it just says alot about how hurt he was in the past by Brendan and how much he doesn't want a repetition of that kind of relationship ever again. Ste was really proud of all he had accomplished on his own (or so he thought) and now it seems Brendan is controlling him all over again. It's still not over! I think he's just really, really dissapointed. Like he said: he'd rather fail on his own, than ever owe Brendan again. When I see Ste I see someone who wants to be proud of himself. Someone who wants to take care of his kids without the help of others. It's really important to feel independent (I know from own experience!). Having to depend on others is not good for one's self esteem. Especially if you have to depend on someone who is everything but good for your self esteem. We all know Brendan loves it when Ste had to depend on him: that way he's the one in control. Ste compared Doug with Brendan because he felt Doug had taken control over his / their life. He got the money from Brendan even though he knew that was the last thing Ste wanted. So instead of listening to Ste, Doug did what he felt was right. So in a way it is controlling. (Although I don't look at it as 'controlling in a bad way', but that's another discussion => it's all about how Ste will preceive it, considering his history with being controled and manipulated.) Good explanation. That's how I interpreted Ste's reaction Ste was so furious (blinded by rage and desperation) that he wasn't thinking straight. He'll probably regret having said those things to Doug All in all, I think it was a sad, but great, episode (full of Brendan! ) Talking of the Devil, ( don't read if you're a fan of Brendan!)>> It amazes me that some fans can be so devotes to Stendan! After having watched how bad Ste reacted tonight, it became clear -to me- how much he's been hurt by BB. I'm sure Ste has still feelings for him, but he knows very well BB is bad news So what's to like about Stendan? Do their fans really enjoy seeing the truly sad dynamic of an abusive relationship (with beatings and all)?
I'd really want to know ...
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 4, 2012 16:21:50 GMT -5
I think Doug almost 'forgot' about the money deal, he pushed the problem aside and though he could deal with it later on. But BB obviously forced him to deal with it right at that moment, and Doug, honestly wanting like he said a relationship based on trust, took a gamble and confessed everythig instead of trying every possible way to solve it without bringing Ste in, like BB would have done. Absolutely!!!!!
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Post by amber80 on Jun 4, 2012 16:24:44 GMT -5
@ mycatfox, I don't really think you want that discussion here... (Probably more at place in the General Discussion) ^I agree. But it's ok that Doug has flaws coz his perfect blue eyes will just conceal all his flaws (at least to me). LOL! You can win every argument with blue eyes like his... ;D (Hopefully Ste will agree with us! )
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 4, 2012 18:00:17 GMT -5
OMG.....Bravo to Kieron, PJ and Emmett for tonight's performances. Kieron and PJ make me want to sit them both down separately in order to try and help them through this huge mistake. Emmett in his portrayal of that manipulative user and abuser Brendan makes me want to throttle him.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 4, 2012 19:17:48 GMT -5
Oh, the melodramatic music when Ste left the Deli, and Brendan alone with Doug. I think Ste compared Doug to Brendan in the heat of the moment. I hope that, after he calms down a bit, he'll realize how different Doug is. But I do understand why Ste was so upset and angry, and why he thought that in that moment. I should go back and watch the scenes leading up to Doug getting the money from Brendan; I expect Doug got the money any way he could entirely for Ste's benefit. It's unfortunate that Doug made that choice. Ste said today that he thinks Doug should know what Brendan is like. I think that nobody understands Brendan as well as Ste does. Well done by all three guys. I love it when Doug got all jealous when Brendan flaunted the fact that Ste still remembers his eating preferences. I love jealous Doug. Plain adorable. And thank God, Ste told him he did it because Doug asked him too. I loved that ;D
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Post by Duskysoda on Jun 4, 2012 19:31:49 GMT -5
Just watched the episode... good for Doug for admitting the truth,, he needed to even though pyscho manipulative Brendan expected Doug to tell Ste hoping that would break up the new couple. Emmet is so good at playing Brendan and he did great again today but this is what obsessed Stendan fans want,, this Brendan,, unchanged,, unrepentant.. manipulative.. obsessed with control.. for Ste.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 4, 2012 20:10:40 GMT -5
Just watched the episode... good for Doug for admitting the truth,, he needed to even though pyscho manipulative Brendan expected Doug to tell Ste hoping that would break up the new couple. Emmet is so good at playing Brendan and he did great again today but this is what obsessed Stendan fans want,, this Brendan,, unchanged,, unrepentant.. manipulative.. obsessed with control.. for Ste. I don't think that Brendan feels that Doug has it in him to admit the truth. What I got from that scene was Brendan threatening Doug with the knowledge that he, Brendan is still holding all the cards and pulling the strings of Stephen Hay and that he's still a major obstacle for Ste and Doug's happiness. He doesn't see Doug as much of anything, other than a "bit limp" thing that Ste's using to keep him from Brendan.
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Post by ian on Jun 4, 2012 22:12:55 GMT -5
Just watched the episode... good for Doug for admitting the truth,, he needed to even though pyscho manipulative Brendan expected Doug to tell Ste hoping that would break up the new couple. Emmet is so good at playing Brendan and he did great again today but this is what obsessed Stendan fans want,, this Brendan,, unchanged,, unrepentant.. manipulative.. obsessed with control.. for Ste. I don't think that Brendan feels that Doug has it in him to admit the truth. What I got from that scene was Brendan threatening Doug with the knowledge that he, Brendan is still holding all the cards and pulling the strings of Stephen Hay and that he's still a major obstacle for Ste and Doug's happiness. He doesn't see Doug as much of anything, other than a "bit limp" thing that Ste's using to keep him from Brendan. I agree I think Doug told Ste so Brendan wouldn't have power over him to use at a later time. Either way Brendan got the reaction he wanted. :-(
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 22:21:20 GMT -5
LOL, man, I’m sure I’m in the minority, but it’s amazing how Brendan can sometimes unintentionally make me laugh. Rather quickly after I started watching him, it’s been half the time annoyance, half the time utter inability to take him seriously with the always unmistakable head bobbing and mumbling and strutting. Instead of feeling the doom and danger announced by the ominous music and all, I was divided between rolling my eyes and chuckling endlessly. Unintended viewing reactions are really the best. ;D The storyline isn’t necessarily without flaws, but aside from really good performances that make up for a lot (again from PJ especially in the latest episodes I’ve caught on), at least there’s consistency. It couldn’t be clearer that every move Brendan makes stems from the need to control. There’s just nothing truly pure, be it love or whatever, in his actions IMO. Ste’s reaction was also easy to understand, and actually quite reassuring to see; he’s just not the lovesick puppy without self-preservation instincts from Brendan or anyone else that some might like him to be. Thanks for the clips!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 4, 2012 22:27:11 GMT -5
I don't think that Brendan feels that Doug has it in him to admit the truth. What I got from that scene was Brendan threatening Doug with the knowledge that he, Brendan is still holding all the cards and pulling the strings of Stephen Hay and that he's still a major obstacle for Ste and Doug's happiness. He doesn't see Doug as much of anything, other than a "bit limp" thing that Ste's using to keep him from Brendan. I agree I think Doug told Ste so Brendan wouldn't have power over him to use at a later time. Either way Brendan got the reaction he wanted. :-( Exactly, Ian. Welcome to the madness, by the way. Brendan HAD to find a way of causing chaos for Ste and Doug. Look at how he was watching them in front of the deli? He NEEDED to get a reaction from one of them. Doug, took the bait, getting jealous about the jam sandwich, while Ste, used to Brendan's petty actions just wanted to get him out of the deli. Brendan, really can not keep himself in check for very long. He was looking to start something, the moment he spied them. The ref usual of accepting his food order. The taunting of Barney. Him slapping Barney in the face. He's just a pathetic, sad, petty coward of a so-called" man". Sorry for all the Brendan ranting, but he messed with Ste and Doug and I don'tlke it at all.
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 4, 2012 22:35:32 GMT -5
Ste and Doug needed a clean slate I think as long as that secret was there, Doug could never really be fully open and available to Ste. At least now, Doug has a chance at fighting to get Ste back with no secrets and no fear. I say 'Game On!'
I also think Ste needed to figure out who he is independent of his lovers and he's doing that. He could have fallen apart when Doug high tailed it but he didn't.
Ste has grown so much. He's a real adult man now. I'm excited to see what his next move will be.
If there is anyone who knows how much Double B and weave his web of insanity around someone, it's Ste.
I think Brendan may find "his" Stephen ain't his no more, finally...
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