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Post by justinate on Mar 15, 2024 7:44:25 GMT -5
Is something happening that suggests Sage and Emmett will get together? I haven't been able to watch recent episodes*. But if it's where they're headed then I might as well tune out.
*I guess the show is clamping down on uploads, even those which only track particular characters. Around the same time they began uploading season 2 (1993) to their Youtube channel.
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Post by Jack on Mar 18, 2024 5:39:08 GMT -5
Is something happening that suggests Sage and Emmett will get together? I haven't been able to watch recent episodes*. But if it's where they're headed then I might as well tune out. *I guess the show is clamping down on uploads, even those which only track particular characters. Around the same time they began uploading season 2 (1993) to their Youtube channel. I don't think so, thank goodness! I see it as more of a potential platonic friendship forming between them, not a romance. I don't see any signs of romantic attraction. I've seen a group of people on FB who think there's an attraction but I don't see it, especially because when Emmett got his wires crossed and thought Sage liked him, they were both pretty clear about not having those feelings for each other. I personally don't think it's the writers intention |
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Post by justinate on Mar 19, 2024 11:34:16 GMT -5
Well, they seem to be trying to paint Emmett as misunderstood rather than, you know, a bigot ... while completely wrecking a legacy character like Harry, the only Warner child to grow up onscreen.
Why would Harry flee Ferndale without taking Max's phone with him? So we're to believe he is the dumbest person alive, on top of evil.
And Stella completely absolving herself of any culpability in Harry's descent into homicidal mania while gunning hard for Chris with that awful smirk on her face does not make me sympathetic to her. At. All. If Harry returns to finish the job it won't be soon enough.
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Post by justinate on Mar 22, 2024 12:21:38 GMT -5
Apparently Michael Galvin has left his role as Chris Warner, after Chris was forced to fall on his sword and tell Esther to fire him and distance the hospital from him. He left alone as he had sent his granddaughter Amelie to her stepfather Tom and broke up with Selina. It's a really sad end to his run and to the Warners, arguably the first family of Shortland St.
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Post by carld2 on Mar 23, 2024 0:06:32 GMT -5
Apparently Michael Galvin has left his role as Chris Warner, after Chris was forced to fall on his sword and tell Esther to fire him and distance the hospital from him. He left alone as he had sent his granddaughter Amelie to her stepfather Tom and broke up with Selina. It's a really sad end to his run and to the Warners, arguably the first family of Shortland St. He's actually left? I could not access the article, but I saw that TVNZ is facing big cuts. I don't know if Shorty will survive, but I suppose if it does, an exit of one of their highest-priced actors would be a part of that survival. TK and Chris were mainstays for decades, yet - if this is actually the end for Chris - both had such bleak exits. I see that Stella also left. I wonder if she has really left or not. The actress was fine, but the character always felt like a plot device and was defined by the men in her life. There are several other longtime characters I think have also reached a natural end, but I don't want to just start those tedious axing posts when the industry is dying. I still get bewildered whenever I remember that Tom was only on the show for about half a year, was a scumbag for most of his run, yet has since been painted as a devoted and loving father to Amelie. |
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Post by justinate on Mar 31, 2024 22:17:26 GMT -5
Looks like I jumped the gun. http://instagram.com/p/C5M_MxjBFDt I'm incredibly glad that wasn't a final exit for Chris because it was so ignominious for such a legacy character and veteran actor, to leave in disgrace without even a leaving party. But TK barely got one either so I didn't put it past the show to give Chris such a low-key, ignoble exit. I really hope Stella is gone for good. She was utterly insufferable and when she and Sage ganged up, it was unbearable. It reached the point where, if Harry had taken either or both of them out, I would've nominated him, not Chris, for the knighthood. I cannot comprehend how they are trying to give the awfully bigoted Emmett a completely unearned redemption arc at the expense of the Warners. (Tom also got the same unearned redemption.) I know a lot of ex-cast members are now working behind the camera. I caught the name of Desdemona's actress as a storyliner for a recent episode. I wonder why they don't want to return even for a short guest stint - especially the actress who played Rachel. Her character was such a big part of Shorty and the Warner family, it seems unbelievable that she is nowhere to be seen as they are mired in successive crises. She was the closest Harry had to a mother, for crying out loud. If she doesn't want to appear on camera they could at least record some audio for a phone call surely? |
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Post by justinate on Apr 1, 2024 7:08:16 GMT -5
ETA: Someone mentioned that it is April Fool's Day so we should take the news of Chris's return with a pinch of salt.
Also, I noticed that Thaddeus the pharmacist is actually listed as a regular (unlike Boyd, Emmett, Sage, etc.)
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Post by carld2 on Apr 1, 2024 20:15:42 GMT -5
ETA: Someone mentioned that it is April Fool's Day so we should take the news of Chris's return with a pinch of salt. Also, I noticed that Thaddeus the pharmacist is actually listed as a regular (unlike Boyd, Emmett, Sage, etc.) There's also the Easter connection, which I hadn't thought of until now. A part of me wonders if Chris was meant to leave right now or if they weren't fully prepared, as it seems like Boyd is in the middle of plots that Chris could have had (tied to Selina, stumbling onto the truth about Eli's death [Chris and Eli were old friends]). I just hope they didn't bring him back to kill him off as it would be hard for me to watch the show after that. I have never understood the contract or recurring for the show either - I think Stella and Harry were always recurring too. I guess now we know why. |
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Post by justinate on Apr 2, 2024 20:27:40 GMT -5
There's also the Easter connection, which I hadn't thought of until now. A part of me wonders if Chris was meant to leave right now or if they weren't fully prepared, as it seems like Boyd is in the middle of plots that Chris could have had (tied to Selina, stumbling onto the truth about Eli's death [Chris and Eli were old friends]). I just hope they didn't bring him back to kill him off as it would be hard for me to watch the show after that. I have never understood the contract or recurring for the show either - I think Stella and Harry were always recurring too. I guess now we know why. I caught the Easter reference at the time - it was kinda hard to miss when social media was flooded with "He is Risen" posts - but that was probably what made me forget it was April Fools' Day. I can't help thinking it's a rather cruel prank to play on long-time fans. I am happy to see Boyd back, I always liked him and was sorry to see him leave, although at least he got a happy exit with his wife miraculously alive and pregnant with his 3rd child. Now of course that happy ending is undone with Zara and Raya gone (and we never even saw the latter once!). As to whether he got Chris's stories - I'm inclined to say no. Chris was actually on hand when Eli died and he didn't suspect a thing, so it would've been a stretch for him to dig it up after all this time unless Harry was involved in some way, which he wasn't. I fear Harry was brought back as a serial killer with the express intention of building up to Chris's exit in disgrace. That was bad enough, but I don't think they needed to pile on him giving custody of Amelie to Tom. Boyd and Selina do make a lot of sense. If you look at his pattern of romances over the years (Brooke, Harper, Zara) he does have a personality type that Selina fits. With the news of budget cuts at TVNZ, I can't help wondering if the fire that gutted the King/To'a house is part of a drive to reduce the number of sets. It's never made much sense that even CEO Esther (whose husband is also a specialist) lives in staff housing, but obviously that made it easier to just switch up the dressing of the sets to portray other characters' homes (Nicole/Maeve, Harry/Thaddeus, and soon I suspect Vili/Madonna?). Now with Chris gone I suspect his penthouse will never be seen again either. |
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Post by TeReoMaoriNZ1 on Apr 6, 2024 5:15:57 GMT -5
ETA: Someone mentioned that it is April Fool's Day so we should take the news of Chris's return with a pinch of salt. Also, I noticed that Thaddeus the pharmacist is actually listed as a regular (unlike Boyd, Emmett, Sage, etc.) There's also the Easter connection, which I hadn't thought of until now. A part of me wonders if Chris was meant to leave right now or if they weren't fully prepared, as it seems like Boyd is in the middle of plots that Chris could have had (tied to Selina, stumbling onto the truth about Eli's death [Chris and Eli were old friends]). I just hope they didn't bring him back to kill him off as it would be hard for me to watch the show after that. I have never understood the contract or recurring for the show either - I think Stella and Harry were always recurring too. I guess now we know why. When the credits roll at the end of each episode, the character names are displayed in 2 groups with a (small blank space) separating those groups. The group of character/actor names at the top portion are regular characters; the character/actor names at the bottom portion are recurring characters. The Official Shorty Website (Cast) & Official Shorty Website (Characters) has a bunch of outdated names. Looks like nobody told the intern to update these website links. |
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Post by TeReoMaoriNZ1 on Apr 6, 2024 5:26:36 GMT -5
There's also the Easter connection, which I hadn't thought of until now. A part of me wonders if Chris was meant to leave right now or if they weren't fully prepared, as it seems like Boyd is in the middle of plots that Chris could have had (tied to Selina, stumbling onto the truth about Eli's death [Chris and Eli were old friends]). I just hope they didn't bring him back to kill him off as it would be hard for me to watch the show after that. I have never understood the contract or recurring for the show either - I think Stella and Harry were always recurring too. I guess now we know why. I caught the Easter reference at the time - it was kinda hard to miss when social media was flooded with "He is Risen" posts - but that was probably what made me forget it was April Fools' Day. I can't help thinking it's a rather cruel prank to play on long-time fans. I am happy to see Boyd back, I always liked him and was sorry to see him leave, although at least he got a happy exit with his wife miraculously alive and pregnant with his 3rd child. Now of course that happy ending is undone with Zara and Raya gone (and we never even saw the latter once!). As to whether he got Chris's stories - I'm inclined to say no. Chris was actually on hand when Eli died and he didn't suspect a thing, so it would've been a stretch for him to dig it up after all this time unless Harry was involved in some way, which he wasn't. I fear Harry was brought back as a serial killer with the express intention of building up to Chris's exit in disgrace. That was bad enough, but I don't think they needed to pile on him giving custody of Amelie to Tom. Boyd and Selina do make a lot of sense. If you look at his pattern of romances over the years (Brooke, Harper, Zara) he does have a personality type that Selina fits. With the news of budget cuts at TVNZ, I can't help wondering if the fire that gutted the King/To'a house is part of a drive to reduce the number of sets. It's never made much sense that even CEO Esther (whose husband is also a specialist) lives in staff housing, but obviously that made it easier to just switch up the dressing of the sets to portray other characters' homes (Nicole/Maeve, Harry/Thaddeus, and soon I suspect Vili/Madonna?). Now with Chris gone I suspect his penthouse will never be seen again either.
Shorty gutted Chris's old house in 2021 after Carla burnt it down, but quickly brought in the townhome set.
TK's house where the Hannah family lived was gutted too after the Hannahs left.
Villi/Madonna's house set was originally introduced in 2019 when Jean King was introduced, followed by Tom King/Cece, Cece/TK/Desi and then Vili/Madonna as the owners. That house set too has been burnt down. The ugly sharehouse still survives along with the staff housing.
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Post by carld2 on Apr 6, 2024 19:11:23 GMT -5
There's also the Easter connection, which I hadn't thought of until now. A part of me wonders if Chris was meant to leave right now or if they weren't fully prepared, as it seems like Boyd is in the middle of plots that Chris could have had (tied to Selina, stumbling onto the truth about Eli's death [Chris and Eli were old friends]). I just hope they didn't bring him back to kill him off as it would be hard for me to watch the show after that. I have never understood the contract or recurring for the show either - I think Stella and Harry were always recurring too. I guess now we know why. When the credits roll at the end of each episode, the character names are displayed in 2 groups with a (small blank space) separating those groups. The group of character/actor names at the top portion are regular characters; the character/actor names at the bottom portion are recurring characters. The Official Shorty Website (Cast) & Official Shorty Website (Characters) has a bunch of outdated names. Looks like nobody told the intern to update these website links. Thanks. What do you think of the show these days? |
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Post by justinate on Apr 10, 2024 15:44:55 GMT -5
So Chris did return in today's ep. It wasn't an April Fools' joke. Shows how little faith I have in the show that I believed they were trolling us.
Speaking of trolling, I do hope that is not what they are doing with Sage and Emmett.
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Post by dylan on Apr 10, 2024 16:56:51 GMT -5
I'm still so shocked at far downhill this show has gone. I watched an episode from the beginning of this year a couple of days ago. Yikes! None of the characters are likeable anymore. I've been rewatching 2015 episodes instead (back when the show was excellent) - there's just no comparison. Who is in charge of this show? I suppose they must have attracted a completely new audience. Either that or they are intent on running it into the ground.
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Post by carld2 on Apr 11, 2024 1:29:08 GMT -5
I'm still so shocked at far downhill this show has gone. I watched an episode from the beginning of this year a couple of days ago. Yikes! None of the characters are likeable anymore. I've been rewatching 2015 episodes instead (back when the show was excellent) - there's just no comparison. Who is in charge of this show? I suppose they must have attracted a completely new audience. Either that or they are intent on running it into the ground. The show has been worse (I think a lot of 2022/early 2023 was worse) but it's dull. Phil and Ihaia are possibly the two dullest characters I've seen on Shorty. If Boyd wasn't back I'm not sure if I'd really have interest, and I assume he is there just for a short guest stint. |
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Post by TeReoMaoriNZ1 on Apr 11, 2024 9:34:04 GMT -5
When the credits roll at the end of each episode, the character names are displayed in 2 groups with a (small blank space) separating those groups. The group of character/actor names at the top portion are regular characters; the character/actor names at the bottom portion are recurring characters. The Official Shorty Website (Cast) & Official Shorty Website (Characters) has a bunch of outdated names. Looks like nobody told the intern to update these website links. Thanks. What do you think of the show these days? Shorty has been doing things on a grander scale since 2022 & 2023 [30th Anniversary & Hospital Fire & Brightshine & Co-op structure etc.] that seem bold & good when viewing from the top.
The surgical registrars storyline was terrible. They ruined legacy character Harry Warner [bad recasting, terrible acting]. Stella was the worst of the whole lot [overacting]. I would have preferred Quinn/Parker/MumblingNoah any day over Harry/Stella.
However, Shorty is losing the plot on smaller things like long-term "family units" and the built-in characters that come along with it. I miss the Hannah family, TK/Cece, Chris and his triplets. Sass/Frank/Finn were the best. They should bring at least 2 of the triplets back long term. I hate when they ruined Finn's character.
Boyd should be back for good. Even Damo too. Zara/Rani storyline was disgusting and ruined Boyd.
I never understand why Shorty treats Esther like the Queen of Ferndale. I would have written her out long time ago. I just can't bear the constipated expressions on Esther's face. She is always the do-nothing-wrong lady-in-turmoil who is always right no matter what. What the hell does Marty see in Esther. Where on earth does a rookie surgeon become a Hospital CEO in their early 30s? Surgeons are still learning their craft in their 30s. It takes decades to hone that expertise in surgery.
Monique, on the other hand, is a refreshing change. Wonderfully scripted character. Marty and Monique together would be great.
Villi, Selina, Logan, Sage, Thaddeus are a good bunch. They should expand Villi/Logan/Sage/Thaddeus' family. Harper/Drew/Marley/Billy/Sky are going strong. Love that family.
Logan/Holden/Stevie-Lee should be long term. They are believable as a bogan family. Nothing much to say about Ihaia, Phil, Nazar.
We lack the "variety of characters" who appeared between 2014-2021: Leanne, Hawks, Jack, Curtis, Mo, Leroy, Lincoln, Prince, Dawn, Eddie, Kate, Sass, Finn, Frank, Louis, Phoenix, Tess, Tom the Anesthetist & Samira, Francesca and Rahu .......
I guess the younger actors see Shorty as stepping stone but either they don't want to commit long-term [or aren't given long term contracts by Shorty], or rather have acting as a secondary profession.
I don't even want to get started on the weird obsession of Shorty writers with drugs and drug addiction. That's their go-to plot point that they throw at any character.
As others have stated on this forum, I miss the magic of the pre-2020 years. I started watching in 2016, so I don't have a lot of history with this show, but 2016-2019 were better years. Things started going downhill 2020 onwards when they began gutting family based characters [Curtis, Jack, Lincoln, Esther, TK, Boyd, Louis, Phoenix, Tom, Tess, Dawn]
I sorely miss those goofy and silly characters like Leanne/Dawn/Stanley.
Give the gays some love and stable relationships. Not every gay is a druggie or falls for a drug addict.
I noticed Fremantle Australia [Neighbours producer] company name has stopped appearing in the end credits. Now it is just South Pacific Pictures NZ.
It was a long rant above. With TVNZ budget cuts, it is not looking good. They should capitalize on the Amazon Freevee partnership to attract viewers in other markets.
I only hope that things improve for the better.
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Post by dylan on Apr 11, 2024 10:43:44 GMT -5
Okay. Thanks for the overview. I will stick to watching old episodes then. If you're looking for the best years of Shorty, I recommend 2004, 2006 through mid-2009, 2015 through mid-2016. I'm sure some of you have already seen at least some of those.
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Post by carld2 on Apr 16, 2024 8:40:34 GMT -5
Trying to figure out if they are hinting at Thaddeus having feelings for Sage or if I am just letting my gaydar about Thaddeus overrule the story.
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Post by justinate on Apr 17, 2024 6:20:10 GMT -5
In the latest episode they had Selina claim Thaddeus is crushing on Madonna. The gay scene is a wash but at least Sage is improving. I was really disliking his ingratitude towards Maeve. The recent twist on 9-1-1 with Buck embracing his bisexuality did make me think what a wasted opportunity not to have that story on Shorty with someone like Marty, Vili or Logan.
The Stella actress has confirmed that she is gone for good - thankfully. She instantly made Sage doubly insufferable. At least Chris is back - although I admit I don't get why he is slumming it with Logan of all people. I've been traveling for work and missed an episode here and there, so was it ever explained why he moved in and how everyone knows?
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Post by carld2 on Apr 17, 2024 16:06:20 GMT -5
In the latest episode they had Selina claim Thaddeus is crushing on Madonna. The gay scene is a wash but at least Sage is improving. I was really disliking his ingratitude towards Maeve. The recent twist on 9-1-1 with Buck embracing his bisexuality did make me think what a wasted opportunity not to have that story on Shorty with someone like Marty, Vili or Logan. The Stella actress has confirmed that she is gone for good - thankfully. She instantly made Sage doubly insufferable. At least Chris is back - although I admit I don't get why he is slumming it with Logan of all people. I've been traveling for work and missed an episode here and there, so was it ever explained why he moved in and how everyone knows? Thaddeus obsessing over Madonna would be so dull, which means they will probably do it. I didn't mind Stella that much until the last months with the tedious love triangle and then her constant tantrums. I think the show made a mistake in not having Harry affect more people if they were going to make him a killer. Just going on about Rahu, Rahu, Rahu while everyone politely listened was extremely annoying. It still feels like they are toying with Emmett and Sage, as you have mentioned. I wonder if that is just going to keep stretching on. Last week, Monique contacted Chris as she and Esther are desperate to keep the hospital going. He showed up to tell them to leave him alone. He also told Esther to get out while she can as the hospital is a cancer. Around that time he just showed up at the flat and began staying in Harry's old room. Logan was bewildered but has since been distracted by his father's death. Since then, we got the weird scenes of people shouting/yelling at Chris as he just stands there silently, which seem like something from a ponderous play grafted onto Shorty. I guess at least Michael Galvin is getting a good chance to act. |
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Post by justinate on Apr 19, 2024 12:00:34 GMT -5
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Post by carld2 on Apr 25, 2024 15:04:46 GMT -5
With the heartbreaking twist today for poor lovely broken Boyd, we have now reached a very...sad place. There are twice as many characters on the show who have lost children (Chris, Esther, Marty, Nicole, Maeve, Boyd) as there are lgbtq characters (Sage, Nicole, Maeve - I guess you could count Harper but I'm not at present as the show never seems to mention that part of her character).
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Post by justinate on Apr 27, 2024 8:59:01 GMT -5
Yeah I don't understand why they keep going to that well, and in rapid succession too: 5 dead kids in 5 years. The boys in Ferndale must have a much lower life expectancy. (We haven't included the other kids like Sass's stepson Jasper, or Joe the baby who was swapped with Knox Mullens, etc.)
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Post by carld2 on Apr 27, 2024 15:49:34 GMT -5
Yeah I don't understand why they keep going to that well, and in rapid succession too: 5 dead kids in 5 years. The boys in Ferndale must have a much lower life expectancy. (We haven't included the other kids like Sass's stepson Jasper, or Joe the baby who was swapped with Knox Mullens, etc.) That's a good point. And this happening at a memorial for Logan's dead father (wish it had been Stevie Lee instead...) says it all on the morbid nature of the current show. And the second child to drown in just a few years. I guess they are gloomy over their potential fate, and this is the end result. I see that Logan has left - has he actually left or is this just a break? I assume a break, but Monique's reactions felt a bit like an actor saying goodbye. Oh based on Carlos Muller's Instagram he HAS left. Another loss of a decent actor in the younger cast. I wonder what they will do with the loft set. Is anyone else living there now? At least they didn't have him get back together with Dawn. |
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