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Post by TeReoMaoriNZ1 on Sept 20, 2023 3:50:05 GMT -5
Unrelated:
I created an account for this forum a few months back. It still says "Pending staff approval" after loggin in.
Is there anybody on the TGoDT forum that can approve my account?
I want to post on the Neighbours forum, but it doesn't allow Guest posts.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 20, 2023 5:47:52 GMT -5
Unrelated: I created an account for this forum a few months back. It still says "Pending staff approval" after loggin in. Is there anybody on the TGoDT forum that can approve my account? I want to post on the Neighbours forum, but it doesn't allow Guest posts. Short answer - when the current crop of moderators were added, the previous moderator did not give us control on membership. Global Administrators can review all boards and postings but are only the second level of moderation - Administrators have more access including approving new members. I think I have figured out how to change the Other Shows board to allow guest posting - if that works then I will go through the rest of the boards and make sure they all have the same permissions (Shortland Street's board was set for "anyone can reply to a thread" whereas the Other Shows board which includes Neighbours was set to "members and staff"). |
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Post by justinate on Sept 20, 2023 8:51:05 GMT -5
Shorty screens on 7plus in Australia which is a part of the 7Network [same as Home & Away]. 7plus is an online (catch-up) streaming service. Shorty on 7plus is still many months behind. I am quite sure 7Network has been granted no right to exercise creative vetoes over Shorty scripts as they don't actually broadcast it on Channel 7. Interestingly, Shorty is produced by South Pacific Pictures NZ in collaboration with Fremantle Australia & NZ. Fremantle is also the parent company that produces Neighbours in AU for Network 10 & now Amazon [worldwide]. We can only hope that Amazon picks up Shorty for worldwide distribution outside of NZ. I just loved Harry & Logan's interactions. The celibacy storyline was just a bet. In fact, Harry was encouraging Logan to go on one-night stands. I was more perplexed when suddenly Harry started caring so much about Logan after Dawn left. Were Harry/Logan even friends earlier? Heck, Harry even moved into that run-down decrepit Dawn's house leaving his posh shared apartment with Thaddeus behind. I love Logan! Hope they give a bogan guy like him a bi storyline. Another cute actor is the new HCA Boogie Jones. But they are hinting at a Boogie/Stella storyline. Stanley is just a Leanne replacement. I hope you're right about there not being some mandate, or even an independent effort, to make the show more "palatable" to 7Network by minimizing its gay and trans characters. I did think it was far-fetched, but the timing and it being the same network that censored H&A's lesbians did make it suspect. I thought that was Boogie I spotted in one of the ads. He is really very cute, but not enough to make me tune back in, especially since he's straight (of course). If Stanley can get the kind of development Leanne did, it would not be so bad. She had several high-profile stories and romances, including two marriages, and her children and grandsons (not to mention step-grandsons) have been quite prominent on the show. |
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Post by TeReoMaoriNZ1 on Sept 21, 2023 8:16:33 GMT -5
Unrelated: I created an account for this forum a few months back. It still says "Pending staff approval" after loggin in. Is there anybody on the TGoDT forum that can approve my account? I want to post on the Neighbours forum, but it doesn't allow Guest posts. Short answer - when the current crop of moderators were added, the previous moderator did not give us control on membership. Global Administrators can review all boards and postings but are only the second level of moderation - Administrators have more access including approving new members. I think I have figured out how to change the Other Shows board to allow guest posting - if that works then I will go through the rest of the boards and make sure they all have the same permissions (Shortland Street's board was set for "anyone can reply to a thread" whereas the Other Shows board which includes Neighbours was set to "members and staff"). Thanks a lot for explaining the whole thing. I hope some Administrator out there will approve all pending accounts. Until then, I will need to use guest usernames all the time. |
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Post by TeReoMaoriNZ1 on Sept 21, 2023 8:45:44 GMT -5
Shorty screens on 7plus in Australia which is a part of the 7Network [same as Home & Away]. 7plus is an online (catch-up) streaming service. Shorty on 7plus is still many months behind. I am quite sure 7Network has been granted no right to exercise creative vetoes over Shorty scripts as they don't actually broadcast it on Channel 7. Interestingly, Shorty is produced by South Pacific Pictures NZ in collaboration with Fremantle Australia & NZ. Fremantle is also the parent company that produces Neighbours in AU for Network 10 & now Amazon [worldwide]. We can only hope that Amazon picks up Shorty for worldwide distribution outside of NZ. I just loved Harry & Logan's interactions. The celibacy storyline was just a bet. In fact, Harry was encouraging Logan to go on one-night stands. I was more perplexed when suddenly Harry started caring so much about Logan after Dawn left. Were Harry/Logan even friends earlier? Heck, Harry even moved into that run-down decrepit Dawn's house leaving his posh shared apartment with Thaddeus behind. I love Logan! Hope they give a bogan guy like him a bi storyline. Another cute actor is the new HCA Boogie Jones. But they are hinting at a Boogie/Stella storyline. Stanley is just a Leanne replacement. I hope you're right about there not being some mandate, or even an independent effort, to make the show more "palatable" to 7Network by minimizing its gay and trans characters. I did think it was far-fetched, but the timing and it being the same network that censored H&A's lesbians did make it suspect. I thought that was Boogie I spotted in one of the ads. He is really very cute, but not enough to make me tune back in, especially since he's straight (of course). If Stanley can get the kind of development Leanne did, it would not be so bad. She had several high-profile stories and romances, including two marriages, and her children and grandsons (not to mention step-grandsons) have been quite prominent on the show. I agree. Stanley is a good character. They need to expand his role. I miss Leanne and her silly shenanigans. They should bring her back if possible. Also a proper gay male full-time character is long overdue. There were so many false hopes in the past few years (Jack/Cam, Jack/Charlie, Jack/Darryl, Jack/Lincoln, Tom/Rico, Jack/Hamish, Jack/Rahu?, Louis/Zack?). We have been cheated all the time.
But Shorty being so fast paced and younger actors looking to move on after 2-3 years in Shorty, we might have to wait long until some middle-aged gay male character (senior surgeon maybe) is developed for the long term.
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Post by dylan on Sept 21, 2023 10:31:29 GMT -5
Short answer - when the current crop of moderators were added, the previous moderator did not give us control on membership. Global Administrators can review all boards and postings but are only the second level of moderation - Administrators have more access including approving new members. I think I have figured out how to change the Other Shows board to allow guest posting - if that works then I will go through the rest of the boards and make sure they all have the same permissions (Shortland Street's board was set for "anyone can reply to a thread" whereas the Other Shows board which includes Neighbours was set to "members and staff"). Thanks a lot for explaining the whole thing. I hope some Administrator out there will approve all pending accounts. Until then, I will need to use guest usernames all the time. I remember it took them three years to approve my account back when I requested one. |
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Post by justinate on Nov 24, 2023 11:28:49 GMT -5
Stanley is having an online flirtation with a guy whose native language isn't English. We haven't met him yet - if he even exists, and isn't just a catfish or worse. They also gave him ridiculous lines like calling Monique the daughter he never had - since when?!
Nothing to do with the gays, but the show has turned Harry Warner into a cold-blooded murderer. Poor Chris really has the worst luck with his sons!
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Post by carld2 on Nov 24, 2023 21:08:21 GMT -5
Stanley is having an online flirtation with a guy whose native language isn't English. We haven't met him yet - if he even exists, and isn't just a catfish or worse. They also gave him ridiculous lines like calling Monique the daughter he never had - since when?! Nothing to do with the gays, but the show has turned Harry Warner into a cold-blooded murderer. Poor Chris really has the worst luck with his sons! Awful writing - the show has had characters get away with a lot so they might here too (Madonna, the sainted heroine, left a man to die last year [until she changed her mind]), but this does seem short-sighted. I am still back in September but I've noticed Stanley spends a good amount of his limited screentime with Monique...not enough to be a daughter figure though. I hope this isn't a plot to kill him off for the Christmas cliffhanger. |
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Post by carld2 on Nov 24, 2023 21:12:09 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on Nov 25, 2023 5:16:54 GMT -5
Yeah I does seem like a permanent exit for TK and Cece; you're right that it was abrupt/unceremonious but I had assumed the actor wanted to pursue other acting opportunities. To see he has gone into construction makes it seem like it was the show's decision rather than his own. But I was never particularly fond of TK and agree with you that Cece was a greater loss. I really liked the character/actress. But I guess the writing was on the wall for her with all of her original family axed and her only remaining link to the show, TK, exiting as well. I admit I only dip in and out of the show but I've not seen Sage yet. Not sure if he is just a background character? I hope they won't do the usual pairing of the only two gay men on canvas because he is far too young for Stanley. The decision to make Harry a killer is incredibly short-sighted. To be fair to Madonna, she did not intend to let the conman die - she just wanted to scare him and planned to come back for him. But Harry didn't just push someone off a balcony; he left him to bleed out overnight. And in Friday's episode he messed with a patient's medication to make Rahu look incompetent due to jealousy of his relationship with Stella. I'll just say I'm glad the previous actor didn't reprise the role. |
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Post by carld2 on Nov 25, 2023 11:55:27 GMT -5
I admit I only dip in and out of the show but I've not seen Sage yet. Not sure if he is just a background character? I hope they won't do the usual pairing of the only two gay men on canvas because he is far too young for Stanley. The decision to make Harry a killer is incredibly short-sighted. To be fair to Madonna, she did not intend to let the conman die - she just wanted to scare him and planned to come back for him. But Harry didn't just push someone off a balcony; he left him to bleed out overnight. And in Friday's episode he messed with a patient's medication to make Rahu look incompetent due to jealousy of his relationship with Stella. I'll just say I'm glad the previous actor didn't reprise the role. I remember briefly thinking Jack would be paired with Stanley, which tells you the state of gay men on the show (although I do think Stanley's an attractive guy for his age range). I'm still behind so I had no idea they were going that far with Harry. It's the exact same story they did this spring when Parker (I think that was his name - the guy who lost a hand) was sabotaging meds to make Harry look bad. You'd think they wouldn't want to sacrifice a legacy (overused as that term is, it matters on Shorty as they have so few longstanding characters) character, especially just for the sake of Rahu or Stella, neither of whom will likely be around in a year or two. I know there's talk of the show behind a part of New Zealand's past, and presumably there's less and less budget, so maybe they are in desperation mode. |
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Post by justinate on Nov 27, 2023 6:29:20 GMT -5
I remember briefly thinking Jack would be paired with Stanley, which tells you the state of gay men on the show (although I do think Stanley's an attractive guy for his age range). I'm still behind so I had no idea they were going that far with Harry. It's the exact same story they did this spring when Parker (I think that was his name - the guy who lost a hand) was sabotaging meds to make Harry look bad. You'd think they wouldn't want to sacrifice a legacy (overused as that term is, it matters on Shorty as they have so few longstanding characters) character, especially just for the sake of Rahu or Stella, neither of whom will likely be around in a year or two. I know there's talk of the show behind a part of New Zealand's past, and presumably there's less and less budget, so maybe they are in desperation mode. I shared your fears that Jack and Stanley would be paired up and was relieved it did not happen. Perhaps that was a bridge too far, even for Shorty. I expect there will be a social issue-driven story for Stanley's mysterious online paramour. He will either be a catfish/conman waiting to fleece Stanley or a foreigner hoping to secure NZ citizenship by marrying a local. There have been a lot of stories left hanging of late - more than usual. I'm not sure if it's budgetary reasons, or some edict comes from up high, or they receive word that viewers are not responding positively. Yet no one seems to wield the axe on this Harry the Killer storyline; instead they're doubling down by having him jeopardise patient safety out of petty jealousy and the latest preview clip has Chris accusing him of having done something to his own son. You're right that Harry is the most legacy character on the show - the only one of Chris's offspring to grow up onscreen. (In fact it feels like he is the only child who has been consistently onscreen from birth to late teens.) I thought it was bad enough when they turned Finn into a domestic abuser but Harry's fate looks sets to be far worse. |
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Post by justinate on Nov 28, 2023 9:23:40 GMT -5
Saw a couple of clips from the show's Insta with Stanley. One of them is a Story so it won't be up for much longer. In it Monique also suspects Stanley's paramour of being a catfish. The other clip is the cute but pointless one below: https://www.instagram.com/p/C0KKWTcNYAx |
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Post by justinate on Dec 1, 2023 7:52:55 GMT -5
I guess there's only ever room for one recurring gay on Shortland St. With Sage coming on, Stanley had to depart. At least it wasn't in a body bag; in fact he left for a happy future. Actually he got a better farewell party than TK! (Starts at 1:48)
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Post by justinate on Dec 3, 2023 22:56:17 GMT -5
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Post by carld2 on Dec 4, 2023 0:43:37 GMT -5
Sage's debut, and it's awkward as hell. Thanks for sharing. Never would have seen this otherwise. I'm glad the comments are so positive considering how homophobic social media often is. I wonder how old the writers are to still be making all the Madge/Madonna jokes. |
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Post by justinate on Dec 4, 2023 9:08:19 GMT -5
Just watched the last few episodes. Stanley's presumed last appearance was on Friday, and today they introduced Sage. The swapping out of gay men was a bit too on the nose for me. Stanley got a bizarre exit. In the space of one week, Stan loaned $10,000 to his Indonesian lover/catfish, suffered a heart attack after Monique told him he'd been conned, recovered enough to sell off his house, and left to find Faisal in Bali on an open-ended ticket while gifting Mon thousands of dollars in cash (from the house sale, presumably). Even for a show that burns through story like nobody's business, this gave me whiplash. Hopefully Sage gets a better story, but it's not off to a good start. His date turned out to be a violent druggie who was strangling Mon for threatening to throw away his stash of Z - the same drug to which Marty's addicted. Last week involved lots of scenes of men dancing together - always with Logan. Stan and Logan; Drew and Logan; Vili and Logan - all to ostensibly help Vili prepare for his wedding dance with Madonna. On top of his previous abstinence pact with Harry (that seems to have fallen by the wayside), I feel like Logan is their go-to character for homoeroticism without any payoff. |
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Post by carld2 on Dec 4, 2023 16:35:25 GMT -5
Just watched the last few episodes. Stanley's presumed last appearance was on Friday, and today they introduced Sage. The swapping out of gay men was a bit too on the nose for me. Stanley got a bizarre exit. In the space of one week, Stan loaned $10,000 to his Indonesian lover/catfish, suffered a heart attack after Monique told him he'd been conned, recovered enough to sell off his house, and left to find Faisal in Bali on an open-ended ticket while gifting Mon thousands of dollars in cash (from the house sale, presumably). Even for a show that burns through story like nobody's business, this gave me whiplash. Hopefully Sage gets a better story, but it's not off to a good start. His date turned out to be a violent druggie who was strangling Mon for threatening to throw away his stash of Z - the same drug to which Marty's addicted. Last week involved lots of scenes of men dancing together - always with Logan. Stan and Logan; Drew and Logan; Vili and Logan - all to ostensibly help Vili prepare for his wedding dance with Madonna. On top of his previous abstinence pact with Harry (that seems to have fallen by the wayside), I feel like Logan is their go-to character for homoeroticism without any payoff. Really annoyed that Stanley is gone. He was a great, warm, funny support character. I guess this means Leanne will be back soon, as he took her place, but I would have rather kept him. Sage is OK so far but I had to laugh (or cry) at him speed-running through two of the main Shorty gay stories in one episode - being asked whether he wants to fuck a woman and being into a drug dealer. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 5, 2023 7:11:23 GMT -5
I have to say, I definitely wouldn't complain if Logan was revealed to be bisexual!! He has really good chemistry with other male characters, and I find his character refreshing and easygoing. But it's been a while since there were two male gay or bisexual recuring characters on the show at the same time, so I'm not going to hope for much. The writers don't even seem willing to write a long term M/M relationship! I really don't like how the producers never break away from the status quo and somehow ruin (or get rid of) all the storylines that actually have potential and make us interested. The Boogie character back in recently, who is very cute, sweet, and refreshing, but then he was gone within a week. Then you have Jack and Rico who had potential, but then Rico was shipped off. And then they briefly hinted at Jack/Rahu, which was just dumped without any kind of follow up. That would've been interesting, but Jack having a romantic storyline with another recurring character, who is a good looking 'ladies man'  They can't have that!!! Sage is okay, but it feels to me like they just brought him in for some new gay representation after Stanley left. Imo they don't seem willing at all for any of their pre-existing recurring male characters to be gay or bi! |
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Post by Jack on Dec 5, 2023 7:20:21 GMT -5
Also, it is interesting how after the one gay male character leaves (Stanley), another just pops up instantly lol. I might be pessimistic, but it does feel a bit like 'oh now our one gay character is gone, we have to bring in a new gay character for representation!!' It felt a bit like that with Jack and Stanley too, imo. Though I loved Stanley, and I'm genuinely gutted he's left. I just don't understand what this show has against M/M relationships and gay or bisexual males. I see that they have the ability to write long-term F/F relationships (though, still imperfect), and in the past, they've had multiple F/F relationships and lesbian characters (at the same time, I might add), so I don't know what's their issue with M/M storylines.
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Post by carld2 on Dec 5, 2023 16:26:38 GMT -5
Also, it is interesting how after the one gay male character leaves (Stanley), another just pops up instantly lol. I might be pessimistic, but it does feel a bit like 'oh now our one gay character is gone, we have to bring in a new gay character for representation!!' It felt a bit like that with Jack and Stanley too, imo. Though I loved Stanley, and I'm genuinely gutted he's left. I just don't understand what this show has against M/M relationships and gay or bisexual males. I see that they have the ability to write long-term F/F relationships (though, still imperfect), and in the past, they've had multiple F/F relationships and lesbian characters (at the same time, I might add), so I don't know what's their issue with M/M storylines. The Rico/Jack story was so awful, enough where I wonder just how negative the response was. I notice they have severely cut back - and now basically give nothing at all - to m/m relationships since then, although maybe they have some plan for Sage. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 5, 2023 20:13:26 GMT -5
Also, it is interesting how after the one gay male character leaves (Stanley), another just pops up instantly lol. I might be pessimistic, but it does feel a bit like 'oh now our one gay character is gone, we have to bring in a new gay character for representation!!' It felt a bit like that with Jack and Stanley too, imo. Though I loved Stanley, and I'm genuinely gutted he's left. I just don't understand what this show has against M/M relationships and gay or bisexual males. I see that they have the ability to write long-term F/F relationships (though, still imperfect), and in the past, they've had multiple F/F relationships and lesbian characters (at the same time, I might add), so I don't know what's their issue with M/M storylines. The Rico/Jack story was so awful, enough where I wonder just how negative the response was. I notice they have severely cut back - and now basically give nothing at all - to m/m relationships since then, although maybe they have some plan for Sage. Yes! They did a terrible job with Rico and Jack's storyline, and then there was that really creepy storyline with Tom and Rico. Imo it feels like they've halfassed the M/M relationships for a very long time, almost as long as Jack has been on the show. He's only had one onscreen long term relationship (and it wasn't even THAT long), and we all know how that ended. Even with Jack's other M/M relationships, the writers and producers have never felt fully invested to me (even with that Dion storyline). It feels to me like the producers and writers just can't be bothered to pretend to care about the M/M relationships anymore. I'm hoping I'm wrong though and that they have a good plan for Sage! Also, objectively speaking, a good M/M relationship (that is written well, not just dumped halfway through, and with good chemistry) could also attract new viewers and make the show more popular, but they don't seem to realise this?? You only have to watch other soaps (particularly the british soaps) to see how longterm and epic M/M ships have positively impacted the viewership and the general popularity of said soaps (in the past, at least). It just seems like Shortland Street is really behind other soaps in regards to M/M relationships (except for Home and Away of course), which sucks considering Shortland Street used to be known as a progressive and groundbreaking soap. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 5, 2023 20:14:49 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for explaining the whole thing. I hope some Administrator out there will approve all pending accounts. Until then, I will need to use guest usernames all the time. I remember it took them three years to approve my account back when I requested one. Ahh that makes sense! I've been posting as a guest for a few months now because my account hadn't been approved. |
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Post by justinate on Dec 6, 2023 4:52:31 GMT -5
I'm probably being overly optimistic but what the heck - I'm moving this out of Gone but Not Forgotten since they introduced Sage and gave him a love interest in his first episode - I mean it's way more than Stanley ever got and he was on for a couple of years.
The show actually won Best Drama Script at the NZ TV Awards this year so I think our grouses here aren't going to sway them from their new direction. (Michael Galvin - a.k.a. Chris Warner - lost out on his award but another Shorty star from this past year, Antonia Prebble - who played the evil Brightshine leader Rebekah - won Best Actress... for another role.)
IMO they've missed the boat on bringing on a gay/bi male regular - more so than Logan, I would've plumped for Harry, as a legacy character, but they've left it too long and at this stage, I don't need another queer killer on the show; we've had two in the last two years (Rebekah and Hamish). A third would be overkill, literally. I fear Sage is condemned to having guest star love interests, nothing more.
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Post by carld2 on Dec 6, 2023 18:32:17 GMT -5
I'm probably being overly optimistic but what the heck - I'm moving this out of Gone but Not Forgotten since they introduced Sage and gave him a love interest in his first episode - I mean it's way more than Stanley ever got and he was on for a couple of years. The show actually won Best Drama Script at the NZ TV Awards this year so I think our grouses here aren't going to sway them from their new direction. (Michael Galvin - a.k.a. Chris Warner - lost out on his award but another Shorty star from this past year, Antonia Prebble - who played the evil Brightshine leader Rebekah - won Best Actress... for another role.) IMO they've missed the boat on bringing on a gay/bi male regular - more so than Logan, I would've plumped for Harry, as a legacy character, but they've left it too long and at this stage, I don't need another queer killer on the show; we've had two in the last two years (Rebekah and Hamish). A third would be overkill, literally. I fear Sage is condemned to having guest star love interests, nothing more. I actually thought they were going to have his housemate, the one who got Marty hooked on pills, as gay, but he is seemingly gone for good (wasn't he meant to return?). I'm glad the show got an award (I wonder what the script was) and I do think the show has improved on just how shocking it was for parts of last year and early this year, but with so many high-profile departures and just a sense of everything feeling smaller (and getting rid of a number of longtime sets), I do wonder if we'll be hearing about the show's end within the next year or so. |
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They can't have that!!! Sage is okay, but it feels to me like they just brought him in for some new gay representation after Stanley left. Imo they don't seem willing at all for any of their pre-existing recurring male characters to be gay or bi!