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Post by carld2 on Nov 5, 2022 14:01:32 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on Nov 6, 2022 9:48:47 GMT -5
I didn't realize either that it was a permanent exit for Desi (and presumably Damo, too). I still found Desi insufferable so I can't say I will miss her, but I really did hate the happy ending she got. Damo's miraculous recovery from such a traumatic brain injury was such a cop-out for a medical storyline that had been realistically portrayed up to that point. Does anyone else think TK's son Sid is still alive and his mother just lied to TK that he'd died? No teenager dies and leaves zero internet trail, LOL. I looked him up and he was on the show 5 years ago - curiously the actor was uncredited - so maybe he can return a doctor and romance Jack? I hope Raj's replacement isn't Te Rongopai, who seems like the obvious candidate - could it be Michelle? Chris is available again, after all. |
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Post by carld2 on Nov 6, 2022 17:31:40 GMT -5
Does anyone else think TK's son Sid is still alive and his mother just lied to TK that he'd died? No teenager dies and leaves zero internet trail, LOL. I looked him up and he was on the show 5 years ago - curiously the actor was uncredited - so maybe he can return a doctor and romance Jack? I hope Raj's replacement isn't Te Rongopai, who seems like the obvious candidate - could it be Michelle? Chris is available again, after all. Oh I had forgotten about Te Rongopai. And she will likely be pregnant too, to replace TK's dead child. Bleh. Losing gorgeous Raj and a Jack story for more of that tedium... |
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Post by antistatic on Nov 7, 2022 5:02:40 GMT -5
Part 399 from Anthony:
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Post by antistatic on Nov 9, 2022 4:28:27 GMT -5
Part 400 from Anthony:
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Post by anthonyl on Nov 10, 2022 9:57:01 GMT -5
I didn't realize either that it was a permanent exit for Desi (and presumably Damo, too). I still found Desi insufferable so I can't say I will miss her, but I really did hate the happy ending she got. Damo's miraculous recovery from such a traumatic brain injury was such a cop-out for a medical storyline that had been realistically portrayed up to that point. Does anyone else think TK's son Sid is still alive and his mother just lied to TK that he'd died? No teenager dies and leaves zero internet trail, LOL. I looked him up and he was on the show 5 years ago - curiously the actor was uncredited - so maybe he can return a doctor and romance Jack? I hope Raj's replacement isn't Te Rongopai, who seems like the obvious candidate - could it be Michelle? Chris is available again, after all. So the Damo actor left because he had family issues and moved away from where the show films. Desi is gone too. They killed off JoJo last night. And Nicole ended her marriage to Nicole (for reasons I don't understand as I only saw the breakup scene and not what led up to it), but I doubt Maeve is actually leaving the show. This cast is getting smaller. I wonder if we'll see new additions soon. And with that I agree that TJ's son will pop up alive and well. Hell maybe he's with Raj's daughter. She is presumed dead too, right? |
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Post by carld2 on Nov 10, 2022 18:23:16 GMT -5
So the Damo actor left because he had family issues and moved away from where the show films. Desi is gone too. They killed off JoJo last night. And Nicole ended her marriage to Nicole (for reasons I don't understand as I only saw the breakup scene and not what led up to it), but I doubt Maeve is actually leaving the show. This cast is getting smaller. I wonder if we'll see new additions soon. And with that I agree that TJ's son will pop up alive and well. Hell maybe he's with Raj's daughter. She is presumed dead too, right? I didn't know that. I hope the actor's family problems clear up. I was never a big fan of Jojo, although I liked her more this time around. Still, killing off one of the only black women ever on the show, especially if it's for Viliami angst, isn't a great look. I wonder if they have been planning for a while to bring back David Kearney (I know he returned in 2020 and then for the anniversary special via interview) and the timing just didn't work out until now? Wonder how long he'll be staying. I know in the past he was with women but with Jack's daddy issues of late, he might be a good fit. (he'll probably end up with Leanne instead) |
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Post by justinate on Nov 10, 2022 21:12:18 GMT -5
I, too, found Jojo incredibly grating during her first run but she kinda grew on me this time around. Much easier to handle in small doses and as a bartender. Obviously the show is not going to portray it since Jojo's family aren't really characters on this show (apart from her granddad), but they are going to be devastated - first her granddad and now Jojo losing their lives to separate car crashes within the same year? Brutal.
I wouldn't read too much into her death though, it's Shorty and 9 times out of 10 when an actor exits, they kill them off. The racial diversity is probably one of the best in soaps, plus Vili himself is Pasifika (like Cece).
It does feel like a cast clear-out is happening (Vivienne also seems to be gone?) and I can't help wondering if the Raj affair was Jack's swansong? He's stuck in a bit of a rut, having embarrassed himself in front of the Ferndale establishment and if Esther dies as a result of this pregnancy (just speculating, but perhaps the actress will want to spend more time with her kids), I could see Jack getting custody of Piki (no doubt after a legal battle with TK) and moving to stay with his mother.
I stand corrected: TK's son Sid seems to be really, most sincerely dead - unless his mother mocked up that entire, publicly available obituary website that Tilly found. That seems like a huge, not to mention risky, undertaking because anyone could find it? Why does Cece feel TK is entitled to his father's fortune - I can understand Tilly thinking that way but not Cece, who has always been the earth mother type of figure. And why is Rahu encouraging him when his girlfriend Ngaio is clearly (rightly) upset by it?
It feels like a lot of the show's established good guys are taking a battering: Marty with that truly heartless dumping of Monique; Vili with his drug-fueled rage issues, professional incompetence and child neglect; and Cece pushing her husband to take the inheritance of a man he never met nor wanted to meet, over the daughter who'd been by his side her entire life.
I once thought Zara's sex-trafficking storyline would end with them finding Raj's daughter too, but that seems to be long over and maybe they've decided to go with the realistic outcome where the girl remains permanently missing. Before they had Misha have a miraculous recovery thanks to the drug trial, I briefly wondered if the catalyst for Raj staying with his wife would be their daughter being found and wanting to create a family for her.
Speaking of the drug trial, I hope they're not saying Nicole's eyes have been opened to Maeve's true character as a result of it. She's been that way pretty much from the outset, so Nicole must've been blind to not notice it. It is sad though to see a same-sex marriage hit the skids. And of course, Maeve will be absolutely insufferable once the truth about Brightshine comes out.
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Post by carld2 on Nov 11, 2022 1:21:37 GMT -5
I, too, found Jojo incredibly grating during her first run but she kinda grew on me this time around. Much easier to handle in small doses and as a bartender. Obviously the show is not going to portray it since Jojo's family aren't really characters on this show (apart from her granddad), but they are going to be devastated - first her granddad and now Jojo losing their lives to separate car crashes within the same year? Brutal. I wouldn't read too much into her death though, it's Shorty and 9 times out of 10 when an actor exits, they kill them off. The racial diversity is probably one of the best in soaps, plus Vili himself is Pasifika (like Cece). It does feel like a cast clear-out is happening (Vivienne also seems to be gone?) and I can't help wondering if the Raj affair was Jack's swansong? He's stuck in a bit of a rut, having embarrassed himself in front of the Ferndale establishment and if Esther dies as a result of this pregnancy (just speculating, but perhaps the actress will want to spend more time with her kids), I could see Jack getting custody of Piki (no doubt after a legal battle with TK) and moving to stay with his mother. I stand corrected: TK's son Sid seems to be really, most sincerely dead - unless his mother mocked up that entire, publicly available obituary website that Tilly found. That seems like a huge, not to mention risky, undertaking because anyone could find it? Why does Cece feel TK is entitled to his father's fortune - I can understand Tilly thinking that way but not Cece, who has always been the earth mother type of figure. And why is Rahu encouraging him when his girlfriend Ngaio is clearly (rightly) upset by it? It feels like a lot of the show's established good guys are taking a battering: Marty with that truly heartless dumping of Monique; Vili with his drug-fueled rage issues, professional incompetence and child neglect; and Cece pushing her husband to take the inheritance of a man he never met nor wanted to meet, over the daughter who'd been by his side her entire life. I once thought Zara's sex-trafficking storyline would end with them finding Raj's daughter too, but that seems to be long over and maybe they've decided to go with the realistic outcome where the girl remains permanently missing. Before they had Misha have a miraculous recovery thanks to the drug trial, I briefly wondered if the catalyst for Raj staying with his wife would be their daughter being found and wanting to create a family for her. Speaking of the drug trial, I hope they're not saying Nicole's eyes have been opened to Maeve's true character as a result of it. She's been that way pretty much from the outset, so Nicole must've been blind to not notice it. It is sad though to see a same-sex marriage hit the skids. And of course, Maeve will be absolutely insufferable once the truth about Brightshine comes out. Esther dying in childbirth would probably be the dose of reality this story might need, although it would also be horrible to watch (and seeing the baby's sonagram just as Jojo died makes it less likely). The idea of Jack getting custody of Pikita and leaving would make sense if they wrote him out. I'm not sure what they have left for him now - the Raj story was so promising yet was barely oncamera and wrapped up in what felt like a month. (is Raj gone now?) I still think getting rid of Vivienne was a mistake when so many others are leaving, and some, like Leanne, are close to reaching their shelf life for me. I feel like the Maeve/Nicole split has gradually built up for most of the year, but I agree it will be a copout if Nicole just reconciles with her post-Brightshine reveal. |
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Post by antistatic on Nov 14, 2022 5:01:49 GMT -5
Part 401 from Anthony:
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Post by antistatic on Nov 19, 2022 5:49:05 GMT -5
Part 402 from Anthony:
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Post by Sasha on Nov 20, 2022 1:44:59 GMT -5
I posted something similar on another forum, but anyone feel like they've dropped the potential Jack and Rahu storyline? For a little while there, they hinted that Jack had feelings for Rahu. The writers even had Dawn notice these feelings and confront/tease Jack about it. It felt like more was to come of that storyline but now it feels like it has been 100% dropped because there's no indication now that Jack likes Rahu in that way. And their characters don't have as much to do with each other onscreen anymore. I feel like Shortland Street keeps introducing storylines and then not following through - this is especially a problem with Rahu, because the writers can't seem to figure out who they want Rahu to be with.
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Post by carld2 on Nov 20, 2022 7:42:30 GMT -5
I posted something similar on another forum, but anyone feel like they've dropped the potential Jack and Rahu storyline? For a little while there, they hinted that Jack had feelings for Rahu. The writers even had Dawn notice these feelings and confront/tease Jack about it. It felt like more was to come of that storyline but now it feels like it has been 100% dropped because there's no indication now that Jack likes Rahu in that way. And their characters don't have as much to do with each other onscreen anymore. I feel like Shortland Street keeps introducing storylines and then not following through - this is especially a problem with Rahu, because the writers can't seem to figure out who they want Rahu to be with. I do. I think, as others have mentioned, the only logical answer is they were planning a Jack/Rahu/Esther triangle that was dropped suddenly due to the actress' pregnancy, so Jack's feelings for Rahu went with them. That could also explain why the Jack/Raj relationship came out of nowhere and has mostly just lasted a few months, filling up the time that Jack's feelings for Raj could have filled up. I'm not a big Rahu fan, but I do feel bad for the actor in this case. I wonder how much longer he will be around, unless they go back to Esther/Rahu again when she returns from her maternity leave. |
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Post by Grace on Nov 20, 2022 17:00:34 GMT -5
I posted something similar on another forum, but anyone feel like they've dropped the potential Jack and Rahu storyline? For a little while there, they hinted that Jack had feelings for Rahu. The writers even had Dawn notice these feelings and confront/tease Jack about it. It felt like more was to come of that storyline but now it feels like it has been 100% dropped because there's no indication now that Jack likes Rahu in that way. And their characters don't have as much to do with each other onscreen anymore. I feel like Shortland Street keeps introducing storylines and then not following through - this is especially a problem with Rahu, because the writers can't seem to figure out who they want Rahu to be with. I do. I think, as others have mentioned, the only logical answer is they were planning a Jack/Rahu/Esther triangle that was dropped suddenly due to the actress' pregnancy, so Jack's feelings for Rahu went with them. That could also explain why the Jack/Raj relationship came out of nowhere and has mostly just lasted a few months, filling up the time that Jack's feelings for Raj could have filled up. I'm not a big Rahu fan, but I do feel bad for the actor in this case. I wonder how much longer he will be around, unless they go back to Esther/Rahu again when she returns from her maternity leave. I honestly won't be surprised if they go back to Esther/Rahu. When they had that BBQ at Drew/Harper's house, Rahu still liked her. That was earlier in October but by that point, they'd already dropped Jack's feelings for Rahu. I also think they retconned things with Esther and Marty - they write it as though they never fell out of love for each other, but it's clear that wasn't always the intention. |
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Post by carld2 on Nov 21, 2022 6:04:45 GMT -5
I honestly won't be surprised if they go back to Esther/Rahu. When they had that BBQ at Drew/Harper's house, Rahu still liked her. That was earlier in October but by that point, they'd already dropped Jack's feelings for Rahu. I also think they retconned things with Esther and Marty - they write it as though they never fell out of love for each other, but it's clear that wasn't always the intention. I wouldn't be either, but if they do, they may as well just put a clown nose on Esther and have her honking a horn any time she appears. The whole thing is so ridiculous at this point. |
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Post by antistatic on Nov 23, 2022 10:02:52 GMT -5
New clips from Anthony:
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Post by antistatic on Nov 23, 2022 11:01:42 GMT -5
Another clip:
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Post by justinate on Nov 24, 2022 9:49:28 GMT -5
The ending of today's episode knocked me for six. I didn't expect Wilder "takes the plunge" to mean a murder!
I'm glad to see Jack promoted to HoD but has anyone else failed at the job from the first moment? Yeesh.
I cannot make out what they intend with Rahu. For someone who has been depicted as God's gift to women, I realize he has never even had a shirtless scene - all the more bizarre when you consider the actor is a professional boxer who must be used to being shirtless in public. They are revisiting his and Jack's friendship, although so far Jack shows no romantic interest - which makes sense since earlier in the episode, he told Stanley he was still hung up on Raj.
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Post by carld2 on Nov 24, 2022 14:30:00 GMT -5
The ending of today's episode knocked me for six. I didn't expect Wilder "takes the plunge" to mean a murder! I'm glad to see Jack promoted to HoD but has anyone else failed at the job from the first moment? Yeesh. I cannot make out what they intend with Rahu. For someone who has been depicted as God's gift to women, I realize he has never even had a shirtless scene - all the more bizarre when you consider the actor is a professional boxer who must be used to being shirtless in public. They are revisiting his and Jack's friendship, although so far Jack shows no romantic interest - which makes sense since earlier in the episode, he told Stanley he was still hung up on Raj. I was also shocked at those scenes. I wonder if Wilder is actually dead or not. Given the decimation of Maeve's relationship with Nicole, I could see this being Maeve's exit plot, at least once she proves Wilder was murdered. Weird to think they were even talking about Jack being into Raju (for about two episodes) at one point. I hope the HoD job works out for him - the character could use some type of path forward. |
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Post by justinate on Nov 25, 2022 9:41:18 GMT -5
Well, I have to say the show has surprised me two episodes in a row. Was not expecting that ending either!
Sad about Wilder - I mean, he didn't even seem to know what he'd stumbled upon, so was such a horrific murder really necessary? Not to mention, it was very risky to accomplish at a house where any of the party guests might've looked out the window and seen him being killed. I do suspect this could be Maeve's swan song - Wilder's gone, Roz is gone, her marriage to Nicole seems irretrievably broken.
Was it implied that Wilder's underage girlfriend was being used as a honeypot? And this "church" is affiliated with American hate groups - presumably the same ones who reach for the word "grooming" to describe LGBTQ+ folk. Very apt.
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Post by carld2 on Nov 25, 2022 17:37:14 GMT -5
Well, I have to say the show has surprised me two episodes in a row. Was not expecting that ending either! Sad about Wilder - I mean, he didn't even seem to know what he'd stumbled upon, so was such a horrific murder really necessary? Not to mention, it was very risky to accomplish at a house where any of the party guests might've looked out the window and seen him being killed. I do suspect this could be Maeve's swan song - Wilder's gone, Roz is gone, her marriage to Nicole seems irretrievably broken. Was it implied that Wilder's underage girlfriend was being used as a honeypot? And this "church" is affiliated with American hate groups - presumably the same ones who reach for the word "grooming" to describe LGBTQ+ folk. Very apt. Agree about Maeve. With her long history of playing god (how horribly ironic that her son was killed by an even more malevolent version of this mentality) I wonder if she might end up killing the youth pastor, or letting him die on the table or something, then leaving. I was flabbergasted that Wilder was killed, as the actor was good and they'd invested in the character. I guess if Maeve is going he probably couldn't stay. I thought they might have plans for Viliami's nephew, but he left too. Last year left the murders/deaths to the finale. That we got two this month makes me wonder if we'll have a more low-key finale, or if this is just the start. |
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Post by Sasha on Nov 25, 2022 23:07:41 GMT -5
Jack and Rahu are interacting again and the connection with Esther and Rahu seemed to be shown slightly in the recent episode so now I'm wondering if they are set to explore these relationships again. Also, I agree that the writers intentions with Rahu are very confusing. It's like he has all these potential love interests, but the writers can't choose who to go with. It seems like they're hinting at Rahu and Gia as well.
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Post by carld2 on Nov 26, 2022 8:46:37 GMT -5
Jack and Rahu are interacting again and the connection with Esther and Rahu seemed to be shown slightly in the recent episode so now I'm wondering if they are set to explore these relationships again. Also, I agree that the writers intentions with Rahu are very confusing. It's like he has all these potential love interests, but the writers can't choose who to go with. It seems like they're hinting at Rahu and Gia as well. I keep forgetting he's sort of with TK's annoying sister (sorry, she just gets on my nerves). He is very much Dawn's type, but Dawn seems more likely to end up with Logan. So yeah, I guess Jack/Esther/Rahu could still be in the cards. And watch Monique take Marty back again... |
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Post by Grace on Nov 26, 2022 9:48:39 GMT -5
Jack and Rahu are interacting again and the connection with Esther and Rahu seemed to be shown slightly in the recent episode so now I'm wondering if they are set to explore these relationships again. Also, I agree that the writers intentions with Rahu are very confusing. It's like he has all these potential love interests, but the writers can't choose who to go with. It seems like they're hinting at Rahu and Gia as well. I keep forgetting he's sort of with TK's annoying sister (sorry, she just gets on my nerves). He is very much Dawn's type, but Dawn seems more likely to end up with Logan. So yeah, I guess Jack/Esther/Rahu could still be in the cards. And watch Monique take Marty back again... No you're right, she is definitley annoying. And they just don't suit at all - they seem to be fundamentally different. My thing is I'm not sure if he'll be a core cast member or if he's only meant to be here briefly. On the Zac's acting page, it credits his role on Shortland Street as being a 'guest role'. Actors like Ngahuia and Reuben are credited as core cast members. If that's the case, it could explain why the writers haven't commited to any particular relationships for Rahu. But I also question the point of that...why bring in a guest character only for them to float around aimlessly and not contribute majorly to any of the characters storylines. |
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Post by Sasha on Nov 26, 2022 20:10:10 GMT -5
I keep forgetting he's sort of with TK's annoying sister (sorry, she just gets on my nerves). He is very much Dawn's type, but Dawn seems more likely to end up with Logan. So yeah, I guess Jack/Esther/Rahu could still be in the cards. And watch Monique take Marty back again... No you're right, she is definitley annoying. And they just don't suit at all - they seem to be fundamentally different. My thing is I'm not sure if he'll be a core cast member or if he's only meant to be here briefly. On the Zac's acting page, it credits his role on Shortland Street as being a 'guest role'. Actors like Ngahuia and Reuben are credited as core cast members. If that's the case, it could explain why the writers haven't commited to any particular relationships for Rahu. But I also question the point of that...why bring in a guest character only for them to float around aimlessly and not contribute majorly to any of the characters storylines. i doubt he's just a guest character, maybe that was referring to his first apperance which was super brief. He seems like a major supporting character to me, but not a core character like Nicole, Esther, Jack etc. I think they intend on having him stay around for some months, it doesn't seem like his story has really started yet. If he was just a guest, he probably would be gone already and more things would've happened with him in a shorter time frame. I think he might have something with Gia (TK's daughter, she's transgender) and I doubt he'll actually resign. I do think the Jack/Esther/Rahu thing could still be on the cards though, there's still some underlying chemistry there and I dont think it's accidental. |
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