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Post by sonia38 on Sept 29, 2011 17:32:58 GMT -5
Poor Olli, Poor Chris and poor me cause I had to be the one here feeling so broken up seeing them so far apart.
OK, so Olli ask for a divorce and in 2 seconds flat Christian downloads the form and they are ready to end this. Not even a week interval before they are ready to go. I have to say, these two guys and the two most stubbornest guys ever, here they are so in love with each other but neither one of them is ready to say so. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that if those papers are signed, they get lost on the way to being filed.
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Post by Trish on Sept 29, 2011 17:43:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the video MM. Enjoy your vacation.
That was so much harder to watch knowing what was being said.
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Post by blaykee on Sept 29, 2011 17:48:12 GMT -5
Thank you MM and Joanna as always MM enjoy your vacation!! Yes it was harder to watch. I haven't quite processed it all. I hate to see them being so stubborn and not telling each other how they feel. Olli's statement about the poster was tear inducing as was the ring throwing and Christian's break down the thing is, Olli has been focusing so long on the cheating and today he finally realizes it was about more (or at least vocalized it). it's too bad he didn't take Christian's suggestion to get counseling seriously so they could get to the root of the problem. It's never really about the cheating. Now, can they figure it all out in time?
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Post by teachgirl on Sept 29, 2011 18:39:05 GMT -5
Finally watched yesterday's and today's eps. Still crying. And now the caps are killing me all over again. Thanks, Joanna (I think ). Jo and Thore just bring it every time, don't they. the thing is, Olli has been focusing so long on the cheating and today he finally realizes it was about more (or at least vocalized it). it's too bad he didn't take Christian's suggestion to get counseling seriously so they could get to the root of the problem. It's never really about the cheating. Now, can they figure it all out in time? I loved that discussion with Jessica. Finally some enlightenment on several fronts. Thank you MM, and enjoy your break.
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Post by angelarose on Sept 29, 2011 18:48:07 GMT -5
"Lovesong" was back at the end; maybe they're trying to tell us something.
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Post by teachgirl on Sept 29, 2011 19:22:31 GMT -5
"Lovesong" was back at the end; maybe they're trying to tell us something. I noticed that, too (I love that song; my preteen daughter and I bond over our love for Adele). I was so pleasantly surprised by that, and by the fact that they actually remembered that they used it before . The music department's attention to detail is quite a contrast to the ring fiasco. I totally think that they are trying to tell us something.
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Post by candyflossuk on Sept 29, 2011 19:30:55 GMT -5
So now I've had the chance to watch the video with translations. I loved the convo between Jessica and Oli, it was really interesting. Personally, I noticed a big change in Christian's character during the Lily storyline - this is when I really started to dislike Chris. I just felt he became a lot more aggressive and over the top in his reactions towards Oli. Then he'd come with a lame apology and expect Oli just to forgive him straight away (which, annoyingly Oli always did! ). And then he changed his mind about fostering more children after losing Lily, which is fair enough. But it really irritated me how after that everyone (Christian included!) acted like they couldn't understand why Oli wanted to foster again, even though Christian had wanted the same thing himself not long ago! Oli even said at the time that he was sick of having to justify himself all the time. So I'm glad VL recognised that there was problem beforehand and didn't just pretend that everything had started and ended with Jessica. I think that's why I'm one of the few people here who isn't too fussed about the divorce. Yes, the wedding was lovely but when you actually look back at their marriage they spent most of it fighting. And there was no honeymoon period before Lily came along, so to me they were happier before they were married anyway. I enjoyed the rest of the episode. I know people don't like to watch the boys sad but I enjoy this side of Christian far more than patronising asehole Christian. Oh and totally off topic from the rest of my post but what was up with that modelling shot of Oli? It kinda looked like he was wearing guyliner? . Really not a good look at all. Could they not have chosen a better shot than that for an advertiding campaign?
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Post by blaykee on Sept 29, 2011 19:41:46 GMT -5
So now I've had the chance to watch the video with translations. I loved the convo between Jessica and Oli, it was really interesting. Personally, I noticed a big change in Christian's character during the Lily storyline - this is when I really started to dislike Chris. I just felt he became a lot more aggressive and over the top in his reactions towards Oli. Then he'd come with a lame apology and expect Oli just to forgive him straight away (which, annoyingly Oli always did! ). And then he changed his mind about fostering more children after losing Lily, which is fair enough. But it really irritated me how after that everyone (Christian included!) acted like they couldn't understand why Oli wanted to foster again, even though Christian had wanted the same thing himself not long ago! Oli even said at the time that he was sick of having to justify himself all the time. So I'm glad VL recognised that there was problem beforehand and didn't just pretend that everything had started and ended with Jessica. I think that's why I'm one of the few people here who isn't too fussed about the divorce. Yes, the wedding was lovely but when you actually look back at their marriage they spent most of it fighting. And there was no honeymoon period before Lily came along, so to me they were happier before they were married anyway. I enjoyed the rest of the episode. I know people don't like to watch the boys sad but I enjoy this side of Christian far more than patronising asehole Christian. Oh and totally off topic from the rest of my post but what was up with that modelling shot of Oli? It kinda looked like he was wearing guyliner? . Really not a good look at all. Could they not have chosen a better shot than that for an advertiding campaign? he was totally wearing guyliner. and not to rehash the past but I agree that Olli didn't need to defend his wanting of another foster child, but did he really have to do it the next day? The one thing Olli never does is give Christian time to process things. I don't want to go over their whole relationship but both have messed up. (although I didn't find Christian overly angry during that s/l, I would say he was more fearful though) eta: something about a bridge
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Post by pru on Sept 29, 2011 19:42:41 GMT -5
*lol* I thought the same thing. Tom Chroust was story-editor, so if even he doesn't care then who else... ;D The apalling wedding ring continuity kinda took the impact of Oli throwing it in to the water for me. I bet if Chrolli got back together again then it would magically appear again, with no word of explanation.... As for the divorce, am I the only one who feels ok about it? I know Oli throwing the ring into the river seems final but that's the whole point of it, a typical soap cliché to reinforce the point that this is really the end...it doesn't mean anything really. And as I already said, those rings have been on and off even more times than Christian's pants so I failed to be as moved by it as I was probably supposed to be! After everything that's happened a divorce wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I mean they've both already broken their marriage vows now anyway so what's the point? ETA: Before someone calls me out on it, I'm not saying I want them to get divorced but since neither is prepared to say how they really feel right now then divorce seems the most sensible option. I have no problem with them divorcing whatsoever, and if I had my wish they would already be divorced, because their marriage has been nothing but a joke for months now.
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Post by pru on Sept 29, 2011 19:46:13 GMT -5
DAYUM!
That poster of Olli and Jessica is beyond HOTNESS!
Olli's eyes look so damn sexy and Jessica looks really pretty and fresh looking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 19:48:56 GMT -5
Over the last couple of episodes, I keep getting Olli actually getting to own up to a lot of what went wrong even when it’s not completely clear to him, willing to share the load, apologizing even when I don’t think he necessarily should, and even seeing past the things he’s still not over, like the cheating, to assess the damage. Yet from Christian, I see the sad faces, but beyond that, not much else. The “we” Christian immediately introduced to say that they both screwed up felt more of a cop out on Christian’s side for me because I haven’t had enough expression of responsibility from him, and it was more Olli’s acceptance of it once again that I found admirable.
Throwing the ring was kind of soapy, but I don’t see what that ring or this marriage, as tainted as they are at this point, still hold so sacred anymore, even though I’m not sure it’s truly to end of it. Olli really seems to be willing to take giant steps in every way, while Christian is still for the most part on the tiny, baby steps. At least there’s some consistency there.
Olli/Jessica talk was also good in that it showed not only Olli’s emotional assessment on his failed marriage, but also the fact that I don’t think Olli completely trusts Jessica, regardless of their oddly spurred closeness. I think he intentionally kept some things close to the vest beyond the Jessica/Chris thing and didn’t completely talk to her like you would talk to someone you view as your best friend. Jessica’s acknowledgment of her part in the mess was also nice and showed that it’s not all forgotten. It all kind of made certain things less weird and not so superficially perfect when it comes to the two of them IMO. I liked that.
The Christian/Andi talk didn’t give me all that much. I don’t know, when it gets deep, I don’t think these two should be turning to each other. It tends to get either absurd or simply damn unhelpful. How I can get more from Olli in a talk with freaking Jessica than from Christian in a talk with his supposed best friend is beyond me.
Thanks for the video!
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Post by angelarose on Sept 29, 2011 20:01:19 GMT -5
So now I've had the chance to watch the video with translations. I loved the convo between Jessica and Oli, it was really interesting. Personally, I noticed a big change in Christian's character during the Lily storyline - this is when I really started to dislike Chris. I just felt he became a lot more aggressive and over the top in his reactions towards Oli. Then he'd come with a lame apology and expect Oli just to forgive him straight away (which, annoyingly Oli always did! ). And then he changed his mind about fostering more children after losing Lily, which is fair enough. But it really irritated me how after that everyone (Christian included!) acted like they couldn't understand why Oli wanted to foster again, even though Christian had wanted the same thing himself not long ago! Oli even said at the time that he was sick of having to justify himself all the time. So I'm glad VL recognised that there was problem beforehand and didn't just pretend that everything had started and ended with Jessica. I think that's why I'm one of the few people here who isn't too fussed about the divorce. Yes, the wedding was lovely but when you actually look back at their marriage they spent most of it fighting. And there was no honeymoon period before Lily came along, so to me they were happier before they were married anyway. I enjoyed the rest of the episode. I know people don't like to watch the boys sad but I enjoy this side of Christian far more than patronising asehole Christian. Oh and totally off topic from the rest of my post but what was up with that modelling shot of Oli? It kinda looked like he was wearing guyliner? . Really not a good look at all. Could they not have chosen a better shot than that for an advertiding campaign? he was totally wearing guyliner. and not to rehash the past but I agree that Olli didn't need to defend his wanting of another foster child, but did he really have to do it the next day? The one thing Olli never does is give Christian time to process things. I don't want to go over their whole relationship but both have messed up. (although I didn't find Christian overly angry during that s/l, I would say he was more fearful though) eta: something about a bridge I was going to say the same thing about the eyeliner (or guyliner, as it were), and I actually thought I'd noticed him wearing it other times as well. And I agree with your assessment.
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Post by bkoz on Sept 29, 2011 21:10:09 GMT -5
Just got home and first want to say thanks to Joanna for the caps. And MM thank you for the vid and translations. And I hope you have a super fun time on your vacation. Man that was a sad vid to watch. The flashbacks totally made me cry. Awww good memories. I like the talk between Jessica and Olli and Christian and Andi. I wish Jessica and Andi would talk about Chrolli and help them get back together. And what's with Elizabeth, she like came out of the blue. But it's sweet of her to be glad that Christian and Olli are back together, even though it's not true. I feel so bad for both Christian and Olli. Neither wants a divorce, but think that the other wants a divorce. I wish the boys would just talk and tell each other what the other is thinking. Oh and I agree with you guys the guyliner is not a good look for Olli. And is he wearing lip gloss in that poster too? Oh and I'm glad Olli threw that ring away and I hope Christian does too. Those rings are tainted. If Christian and Olli get back together, I want them to get new rings, as a sign of a fresh start.
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Post by dalphine on Sept 29, 2011 21:13:03 GMT -5
I thought Olli looked HOTTTTTT as well in that photo. Jessica look cute to.
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Post by katemonster on Sept 30, 2011 1:44:21 GMT -5
Christian (Thore) breaks my heart when he cries.
I;m glad that Olli could see there were problems before Jessica because to me Christian was very clear he didn't want to foster in the first place and was just plain pushed into by Olli. Christian said he wanted a child to be for keeps because he felt he couldn't cope with having to give it back and that;s exactly what happened. But Olli just wasn't listening and in the end Christian caved like he always does. The bigger problem is everytime Christian gets backed into a corner he acts out and that doesn't go well because of his temper and his libido.
Olli needs to stop pushing Chris into things but more importantly Christian needs to stop doing chicks everytime he feels out of control. I doubt these issues will get resolved other than perhaps being verbally acknowledged, in Chis's case probably in a conversation seemingly about someone else but if a little self awareness is all we get that's a something I guess. My worst fear is they'll get them back together with all issues ignored and yet mysteriously vanished and resolved.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 1:56:54 GMT -5
Thank you Joanna for all the week caps. Dear May thanks for subbing this very harsh SL. I wish you a great vacation, relax, enjoy your days that you truly deserve, for all you hard and unconditional work. We will wait for you, and your awesome subs! Tuesday episode was O.K. I'm always pro Miriam. Don't scream at her, don't mistreat her, don't play with her and surely enough don't SNAP at her Olli! Jessica and her fan mode was silly but also funny. If I see someone I really admire and they invite me over to drink a glass of champagne, I'll die. Kim is a lost case, selling your virginity so your 20 years apart man that you love comes to rescue you? Jessica and her annoying, so insignificant problems just, ugh! Why no one slap her at that instant, at least Dana's father, goes beyond my mind! Wednesday episode was just...Drama! LOL at Andi and his jokes about Jessica ;D Christian fixing his hair, being all shy, nervous, and clumsy, was so cute! Poor guy he's always tripping. His comment about Helena was understandable but surely not logical for everyone in that room. It surely was to start another brutal fight between them Poor Nico, she had no necessity to see that. I feel no sympathy for Helena whatsoever, he's dead girl, your confession can't revive him now! Dana's comment was certainly true and like always, instead of helping Olli, it pretty much brought up the nasty fights from the Jessica fiasco until recently Christian working that punchbag! Then Olli comes by, I think this is it....finally a civilize talk. Indeed it is, but about divorce Nice! Thursday episode was quite the opposite to Wednesday but still with the same intensity about the drama: Are they getting divorce? How calm and pacific they talk about their divorce and the next steps, really makes me think that they don't want to put the "true feeling" face in front of each other, so they won't been seen as weak. Downloading papers, copying papers, signing papers and then BAM! you are divorce? Geez, imagine how many people wouldn't divorce if it was that easy! Misunderstandings! No, Olli wants to divorce; No, Christian wants to divorce. Nicely done boys! That nice talk between Olli and Jessica and the O.K. talk between Andi and Christian. Finally, the true feelings are expose! The beautiful flashbacks! oh the boxing kiss! the wedding kiss! and then, oh no! Olli throws the ring away?! Well the rings disappeared all the time anyway Plus new rings will be nice for a nice brand new start Christian is filling papers until the final signature is needed. He lets a tear come out, he takes a sit and in front of him is the end of his marriage, his partner of 4 years and their common story is about to end at that instant, with that signature. He can't take it and just bursts into tears At the end of this I felt that with or without the divorce, the love is still there, and as long as I see it, and we know it exists, there's no ring or paper that will change that matter So I'm hopeful for either a married couple to give it another go, or for two individuals ready to start a fresh new and strong love Plus Adele's cover of Lovesong just brings my mood up.
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Post by phoenix-feather on Sept 30, 2011 2:42:35 GMT -5
About the last epi- very soapy indeedthe acting was good, but could've been better, coz I think both are capable of that,okay may be my expectations are too high. the mis-communication between the two is overstretched, just like everything else. But I shouldn't start on that..... after all that they've (we've) been through, my only hope is someday, the writers will show us that Chrolli can TALK THINGS OUT, if they want to.
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Post by amk on Sept 30, 2011 4:11:33 GMT -5
Personally, I noticed a big change in Christian's character during the Lily storyline - this is when I really started to dislike Chris. I just felt he became a lot more aggressive and over the top in his reactions towards Oli. Then he'd come with a lame apology and expect Oli just to forgive him straight away (which, annoyingly Oli always did! ). And then he changed his mind about fostering more children after losing Lily, which is fair enough. But it really irritated me how after that everyone (Christian included!) acted like they couldn't understand why Oli wanted to foster again, even though Christian had wanted the same thing himself not long ago! Oli even said at the time that he was sick of having to justify himself all the time. I have exactly the same opinion on Olli and Christian in the Lilly SL. it might look like some chrollifans has a problem with Christian's behavior just because of his affairs with Jessica and Theresa in the current SL - but it's not this case . his behavior was ( for me personally ) - overly aggressive - too macho - and simply stupid - already in the Lilly SL. but I think the last episode showed that the authors want a change in his behavior and it seems that Christian finally understand , that he and Olli have really screwed up their marriage- and I'm starting to like him again. and yes - I think , that they both have screwed up their marriage . it would be nice if not just Olli and Christian gave a second chance themselves and their relationship - but also Olli-fans were willing to give a second chance Christian , and Christian- fans were willing to give a second chance Olli. I think it would be foolish to insist on just one opinion /on just one POV , just because I'm not willing to admit that the previously- unsympathetic character (Olli /or Chris) can do also something good. and sorry , this is my impression of some posts here on the board. I personally didn't like Christian's behavior in this SL more than Olli's - but I'm willing and ready to give him a second chance, because I want to see chrolli together again. and as I said - he was not as annoying in the last episodes as usual and I'm starting to like him again. Oh and totally off topic from the rest of my post but what was up with that modelling shot of Oli? It kinda looked like he was wearing guyliner? . Really not a good look at all. Could they not have chosen a better shot than that for an advertiding campaign? I don't like it either - I've seen a lot weirder perfume ad. campaigns, but Olli / Jo could certainly have better styling in that photo (see Jo private photos) he doesn't look ugly or something like that , but I don't like his styling in this picture. I was going to say the same thing about the eyeliner (or guyliner, as it were), and I actually thought I'd noticed him wearing it other times as well. I don't understand what you're talking about . do you want to say that Olli wear eyeliner in the show ? I know , VL try to mock Olli through his strange clothes and hideous scarf - although I really don't get why this stupid gay-cliche ... but the eyeliner ? I think, it's more likely about Olli/Jo having too beautiful eyes ;D
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Post by phoenix-feather on Sept 30, 2011 4:18:08 GMT -5
it would be nice if not just Olli and Christian gave a second chance themselves and their relationship - but also Olli-fans were willing to give a second chance Christian , and Christian- fans were willing to give a second chance Olli. Agreed, board would be a better place
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Post by angelarose on Sept 30, 2011 4:58:32 GMT -5
I was going to say the same thing about the eyeliner (or guyliner, as it were), and I actually thought I'd noticed him wearing it other times as well. I don't understand what you're talking about . do you want to say that Olli wear eyeliner in the show ? I know , VL try to mock Olli through his strange clothes and hideous scarf - although I really don't get why this stupid gay-cliche ... but the eyeliner ? I think, it's more likely about Olli/Jo having too beautiful eyes ;D I don't remember the episode(s), and maybe it was another time they were doing some modelling thing (quite likely), but I thought there were one or two other times when it appeared he had eyeliner on. (And of course I could be wrong and he actually didn't.) But I'm not trying to say Olli wears it all the time or anything, it's usually just his beautiful eyes.
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Post by candyflossuk on Sept 30, 2011 7:12:42 GMT -5
Personally, I noticed a big change in Christian's character during the Lily storyline - this is when I really started to dislike Chris. I just felt he became a lot more aggressive and over the top in his reactions towards Oli. Then he'd come with a lame apology and expect Oli just to forgive him straight away (which, annoyingly Oli always did! ). And then he changed his mind about fostering more children after losing Lily, which is fair enough. But it really irritated me how after that everyone (Christian included!) acted like they couldn't understand why Oli wanted to foster again, even though Christian had wanted the same thing himself not long ago! Oli even said at the time that he was sick of having to justify himself all the time. I have exactly the same opinion on Olli and Christian in the Lilly SL. it might look like some chrollifans has a problem with Christian's behavior just because of his affairs with Jessica and Theresa in the current SL - but it's not this case . his behavior was ( for me personally ) - overly aggressive - too macho - and simply stupid - already in the Lilly SL. but I think the last episode showed that the authors want a change in his behavior and it seems that Christian finally understand , that he and Olli have really screwed up their marriage- and I'm starting to like him again. and yes - I think , that they both have screwed up their marriage . it would be nice if not just Olli and Christian gave a second chance themselves and their relationship - but also Olli-fans were willing to give a second chance Christian , and Christian- fans were willing to give a second chance Olli. I think it would be foolish to insist on just one opinion /on just one POV , just because I'm not willing to admit that the previously- unsympathetic character (Olli /or Chris) can do also something good. and sorry , this is my impression of some posts here on the board. I personally didn't like Christian's behavior in this SL more than Olli's - but I'm willing and ready to give him a second chance, because I want to see chrolli together again. and as I said - he was not as annoying in the last episodes as usual and I'm starting to like him again. I don't like it either - I've seen a lot weirder perfume ad. campaigns, but Olli / Jo could certainly have better styling in that photo (see Jo private photos) he doesn't look ugly or something like that , but I don't like his styling in this picture. I was going to say the same thing about the eyeliner (or guyliner, as it were), and I actually thought I'd noticed him wearing it other times as well. I don't understand what you're talking about . do you want to say that Olli wear eyeliner in the show ? I know , VL try to mock Olli through his strange clothes and hideous scarf - although I really don't get why this stupid gay-cliche ... but the eyeliner ? I think, it's more likely about Olli/Jo having too beautiful eyes ;D Agree AMK. I'm not saying Oli was blameless in the Lily storyline as I also agree with blaykee that he should have waited longer after losing Lily before he brought the issue back up again. But Christian said that Oli wouldn't be having any more children with him. He didn't leave it open for discussion or say they would speak about it at a later date. It was just a flat out no, followed by bitching that he couldn't understand why Oli wanted to foster again. I understand that he changed his mind about fostering but Oli didn't and I don't see why that was so hard for Christian to understand? It wasn't just the aggressiveness that put me off Christian during that storyline, it was his whole attitude towards Oli in general. He just seemed irritated by him all the time... However, like I said in my earlier post, I too am starting to see the nice side of Christian again - he feels more like the 'old' Christian to me now. It was a bit annoying seeing him moping to Andi about how final this all seemed, knowing that he had the power to fix this months ago if he wanted to but instead chose to drop his pants for Theressa. But I can't have it both ways. I asked for some emotion from Christian and that's finally what were getting. The Guyliner is horrible. You know me, I think Jo could rock a bin bag if forced to wear one but this is a look that just doesn't suite him. I didn't find the poster sexy at all, if anything I found it a bit creepy. And Oli has beautiful eyes anyway without the need to resort to make up.
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Post by Trish on Sept 30, 2011 8:29:30 GMT -5
I didn't like the poster either. Aren't the two suppose to be in love and drawn to each other? Then Why are they looking off in opposit directions. Olli thinking about Christian and Jessica thinking about....Jessica.
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Post by silviam11 on Sept 30, 2011 8:48:03 GMT -5
In yesterday episode, Olli told Jessica that he's pass the night she had with Christian and excused her of being responsible for their break up. He said that what (is supposed to) have happened between her and Christian was just the last straw, since things hadn't been ok long before that. However, he uses every opportunity he has to throw (up!) on Christian's face that his night with Jessica was really the big issue, as if all their problems have emerged from that night. It would be interesting if Olli had the same kind of conversation he had with J, with Christian! I don't think Christian is so smart to read between the lines of what is in Olli's mind and infere that Jessica was not the only cause of all the mess. Having in mind that it is almost impossible for Olli to be over the night with Jessica issue, Christian gives up. He can't give Olli something he doesn't have. It is not possible to get back in time and undo what he's supposed to have had with Jessica, so it's no use fighting anymore. He had told Olli the day he left that he would wait and fight for Olli, but only if it meant something to him. As Olli gives him the impression that Jessica is still the biggest deal, what else can he do? If Christian knew that his personality and his behavior in general were an important part in the break up, he could try to change. But Olli has never told him so. The message Olli passes is "You slept with Jessica and I can't foorgive you for that, period". Olli knows it's more than that, and so do we, but Christian has no crystal ball and doesn't watch VL. I just think that the only way they have to get through this crises is communication. Maybe this divorse talk can bring them some oportunities to talk a bit more and understand each other. I don't think it's fair from Olli to completely excuse Jessica and still rub her in Christian's face all the time.
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Post by phoenix-feather on Sept 30, 2011 8:53:33 GMT -5
I didn't like the poster either. Aren't the two suppose to be in love and drawn to each other? Then Why are they looking off in opposit directions. Olli thinking about Christian and Jessica thinking about....Jessica. ;D ;D ;D who else?!
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