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Post by angelarose on Aug 23, 2011 0:28:10 GMT -5
Is it safe? Can we stay here? Very stealthy Kristin.
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Post by Trish on Aug 23, 2011 0:30:40 GMT -5
I'm hate to run out on the party, but I'm out of here. Night guys.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 23, 2011 0:33:29 GMT -5
That's okay. Night Trish!!
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Post by bkoz on Aug 23, 2011 0:35:16 GMT -5
That's okay. Night Trish!! Night. Just you and me angela holding the fort down.
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Post by philos on Aug 23, 2011 1:08:43 GMT -5
Ok, i'm back! But unfortunatly I must wait a couple of hours before to see the video, so I'll comment this afternoon. Bye
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 4:38:32 GMT -5
It amazes me that Christian was on for all of 1 min of almost 12, yet what is standing out to people is what he said. Everything that Jessica did was fine since Olli was aware of her motiviations. And you wonder why people think you are Chrisaitn haters. people , I think we should finally stop labeling each other as the Christian-haters , or Olli-haters . I think it's very childish I , personally ,criticize Christian's behavior very often, but I'm definitely not any "hater". I hate many things in this world (e.g. mouse, or the terrible heat, that is today ) but definitely not fictional character of the soap opera , bc this role is just a product of the strange imagination of the VL-authors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 12:17:56 GMT -5
Olli was great today some quite funny scenes with Olli and Tanja,Ansgar Christian and his behavior - rather without comment and now ... I need strong coffee or some booze
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Post by blaykee on Aug 23, 2011 12:25:42 GMT -5
I just love Christian and Charlie's relationship ♥. It must be nice to have a mother figure around since his died so young
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 23, 2011 12:29:31 GMT -5
Olli was great today some quite funny scenes with Olli and Tanja,Ansgar Christian and his behavior - rather without comment and now ... I need strong coffee or some booze But even with Christian's boorish behavior, it's still a good thing for Chrolli.
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Post by ari on Aug 23, 2011 12:39:07 GMT -5
Olli was great today some quite funny scenes with Olli and Tanja,Ansgar Christian and his behavior - rather without comment and now ... I need strong coffee or some booze Lola, is it possible that you could tell us a little of what they were saying? Please?
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Post by philos on Aug 23, 2011 12:45:19 GMT -5
Olli was great today some quite funny scenes with Olli and Tanja,Ansgar Christian and his behavior - rather without comment and now ... I need strong coffee or some booze But even with Christian's boorish behavior, it's still a good thing for Chrolli. I'm so naive, it's hard for me to understand when you are sarcastic or not; could you add a sign a couple of lines under,like x**x? or what you want, thanks
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 23, 2011 12:58:02 GMT -5
So people are “Christian haters”, because they see his behavior over the past few months and don’t/can’t/ or simply won’t make excuses for it? Interesting. I have been critical of Olli’s at times asinine behavior so by this logic does this also make me a “Olli hater”? I could say I’m confused by this, but I’m not. I could say that I’m offended by it, but I’m not as it power for the course. And I could say I don’t get why someone would say this, but unfortunately I do get it. This kind of thing happens in all fandoms, especially when things aren’t going well. People who pronounce themselves fans of the couple most of the time tend to take a side and the people who are critical of that side get called “haters”.
Christian has forfeited the right to make moral pronouncements and or judgments on how Olli decides to live his life. more specifically on the choices he does and does not make. He has abdicated that role because of his continued sexual dalliance with Theresa and refusal to understand why that bothers the hell out of Olli, the man he claims he loves.
Christian’s logic being: If Olli would only understand…If Olli would only see.
Understand what exactly?
Why Christian keeps identifying as gay while sleeping continually with a woman.
See what?
That every time Olli turns around he sees Christian with the woman he’s sleeping with, but it’s not supposed to mean anything. And it would stop if Olli would take Christian back…Really? Really?
So Christian gets to get on his moral high horse and condescend to Olli (and not the first time), but Olli isn’t supposed to take it that way. Why exactly? Because it’s coming from a place of caring and or love? Really? When was the last time Olli saw that from Christian? Oh yeah, I remember. It was when he went back to the site of Phillip’s accident and stopped Olli from walking into traffic by telling him he would never let him go. Only to let him go because Olli’s head wasn’t in a place where he could accept from his cheating husband a sexual advance.
Olli has a butt load of issues. He’s feeling old and unattractive. He’s feeling that he wasn’t enough for his husband and he’s been rejected by some twink who probably wouldn’t know a good man if he tripped over him. Jessica is a non-factor not because Olli knows where she’s coming from, but because he really doesn’t value her opinion. But for reasons he probably can’t even explain to himself he does still care what Christian says and thinks of him. So for it to appear that Christian thinks he’s too old to be a model and then to tell him he’s beyond help, that stings in places nothing Jessica says or does ever could. It will send him in directions that all of Jessica’s scheming could or would never send him. He doesn’t feel he has to justify himself to Jessica in anyway. Christian is a different subject altogether. It may be over physically, but emotionally it is far from over.
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Post by joanna on Aug 23, 2011 12:59:25 GMT -5
Dear Joanna, may I already ask for a big screen cap of the white tee guy tomorrow? ;D Thanks in advance! In advance of my main caps set...as requested...White tee guy... ;D
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Post by philos on Aug 23, 2011 13:05:34 GMT -5
Dear Joanna, may I already ask for a big screen cap of the white tee guy tomorrow? ;D Thanks in advance! In advance of my main caps set...as requested...White tee guy... ;D Ok, he's definitively a teenager! ( thanks a lot, joanna!)
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Post by ari on Aug 23, 2011 13:16:45 GMT -5
So people are “Christian haters”, because they see his behavior over the past few months and don’t/can’t/ or simply won’t make excuses for it? Interesting. I have been critical of Olli’s at times asinine behavior so by this logic does this also make me a “Olli hater”? I could say I’m confused by this, but I’m not. I could say that I’m offended by it, but I’m not as it power for the course. And I could say I don’t get why someone would say this, but unfortunately I do get it. This kind of thing happens in all fandoms, especially when things aren’t going well. People who pronounce themselves fans of the couple most of the time tend to take a side and the people who are critical of that side get called “haters”. Christian has forfeited the right to make moral pronouncements and or judgments on how Olli decides to live his life. more specifically on the choices he does and does not make. He has abdicated that role because of his continued sexual dalliance with Theresa and refusal to understand why that bothers the hell out of Olli, the man he claims he loves. Christian’s logic being: If Olli would only understand…If Olli would only see. Understand what exactly? Why Christian keeps identifying as gay while sleeping continually with a woman. See what? That every time Olli turns around he sees Christian with the woman he’s sleeping with, but it’s not supposed to mean anything. And it would stop if Olli would take Christian back…Really? Really? So Christian gets to get on his moral high horse and condescend to Olli (and not the first time), but Olli isn’t supposed to take it that way. Why exactly? Because it’s coming from a place of caring and or love? Really? When was the last time Olli saw that from Christian? Oh yeah, I remember. It was when he went back to the site of Phillip’s accident and stopped Olli from walking into traffic by telling him he would never let him go. Only to let him go because Olli’s head wasn’t in a place where he could accept from his cheating husband a sexual advance. Olli has a butt load of issues. He’s feeling old and unattractive. He’s feeling that he wasn’t enough for his husband and he’s been rejected by some twink who probably wouldn’t know a good man if he tripped over him. Jessica is a non-factor not because Olli knows where she’s coming from, but because he really doesn’t value her opinion. But for reasons he probably can’t even explain to himself he does still care what Christian says and thinks of him. So for it to appear that Christian thinks he’s too old to be a model and then to tell him he’s beyond help, that stings in places nothing Jessica says or does ever could. It will send him in directions that all of Jessica’s scheming could or would never send him. He doesn’t feel he has to justify himself to Jessica in anyway. Christian is a different subject altogether. It may be over physically, but emotionally it is far from over. Lady armand, I'm having what you're having. ;D Excellent summary.
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Post by gelybi on Aug 23, 2011 13:18:21 GMT -5
I'm at a loss of how you don't understand what Olli is going through. It doesn't matter what gender you are. Do you actually believe because someone is extremely attractive if their significant other cheats on them it's not going to affect them in all the ways it's doing Olli? It's totally going to be a blow to their self-estem and confidence and make them question things about themselves, I find that to be a very normal reaction. Pru, this is the kind of post I'd really want to see more often from you, respectful, calm and straightforward. Very nicely written, thank you . And of course, I totally agree with you. Being cheated on, no matter gender, reason, personality or circumstances is always a hard blow to your self-esteem. It'll always make you question yourself in all aspects of your life.
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Post by gelybi on Aug 23, 2011 13:26:20 GMT -5
Yes, of course I understand that being cheated on can and does affect one's self esteem, and that it doesn't matter if you are an attractive person or not. And I didn't say it matters what gender you are. What I said was if the person believes that they were cheated on because the significant other is really into women and not men then that is an entirely different scenario than feeling you were cheated on because you aren't young enough, attractive enough, smart enough, what have you. I'm saying I don't see how the scenario of believing your husband isn't really gay and thus is into women plays into insecurities about age or even looks. Believe me angela, you start to analyze every little thing and torture yourself with the most weird and unlikely "what ifs", no matter if the reason is about gender or beauty or age or whatever. It's a failure in your life, you'll always try to overanalyze why. Sorry to hear about your first eathquake, I felt mine 10 years ago, but it was somehow funny for me, yeah maybe I'm a bit weird, but as in my country it doesn't happen, it was something new and kinda adventourous. Hope you weren't scared though.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 23, 2011 13:32:44 GMT -5
Thanks gelybi. I wasn't really scared and it was a bit funny to me too because it doesn't happen in NY either. Honestly I thought it was me, I thought I was dizzy or something at first, then I realized the whole house was swaying and rocking. Anyway, I'm fine and it was a new experience at least.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 23, 2011 13:56:44 GMT -5
LadyArmand always sums it up (as usual) quite nicely for this "hater".
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Post by pru on Aug 23, 2011 14:08:36 GMT -5
LadyArmand always sums it up (as usual) quite nicely for this "hater". And for this one as well, DD.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Aug 23, 2011 15:01:29 GMT -5
Dont really know what was said between Christian and Olli today but it didn't sound very pleasant
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 23, 2011 15:24:11 GMT -5
Yes, whatever was said between them did not seem pleasant at all. I will have to wait for MM vid to hear what was said. Olli should have left Christian alone instead of running after him because every time the two of them are together all they do is hurt each other.
Will Phillip please hurry up and die already, this is the longest death in TV history. Do something, pull the plug, take out his iv, just put an end to this story already, it's really getting redundant.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Aug 23, 2011 15:27:31 GMT -5
I'm also mad Olli ran after Christian. I was literally yelling "NOOOOO DONT FOLLOW THAT ASSHOLE!" lol
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Post by dalphine on Aug 23, 2011 15:29:49 GMT -5
I agree it's about time he hurry up and die, not to be mean but it's getting old and tiresome.
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Post by philos on Aug 23, 2011 15:41:14 GMT -5
Until we will not read the dialogue we can't know if Christian said something right; I've tried to translate but I'm not so good for the moment. I've underastud only few phrases and I don't wont to start an hypotesis.
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