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Post by sonia38 on Apr 18, 2011 18:35:42 GMT -5
I am really at a loss for words. I really don't know what Chris can do to make Olli's fear go away. The look on his face when he saw Olli's expression was just wow. What is he suppose to do now, stay away from his women friends to please Olli, I don't know. I felt sorry for both of them in that last scene, when Chris was rubbing his temple, it's like what am I suppose to do. Very sad but they pulled off the scene beautifully.
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Post by dalphine on Apr 18, 2011 19:05:23 GMT -5
I think Olli feels that he can compete with another man, but not a woman.
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Post by jos87 on Apr 18, 2011 19:26:26 GMT -5
I think Olli feels that he can compete with another man, but not a woman. I'm agree with you.Infact many times i have heard women talk about this and when i asked to these women why the betrayal of their men with another man would have been worse ,they replied that with a woman they can compete,with a man no.The same thing is for a man that is married with another man;maybe Olli thinks that if Christian want women again is because he needs something that Olli,as man,can't give to him(and i don't talk only about babies).I don't know if i express this concept well. I'm not totally ok with this vision because my idea is that many times a human being falls in love with a person, regardless of gender;(even if there is who is just straight or gay..or they think so ) this concept it's hard to express that is better to stop it because this is not a science forum
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Post by Trish on Apr 18, 2011 19:47:55 GMT -5
I'm sure that is the way he is, but I've always felt that if a person cheats, they cheat. Doesn't matter with who. If they are cheating with another woman and your a woman, they found in that woman somethng that you don't have. It's much more than a pysical thing. However, I'm not one to fight for someone. I think I deserve better.
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Post by husky14620 on Apr 18, 2011 20:37:48 GMT -5
I think Olli feels that he can compete with another man, but not a woman. I'm agree with you.Infact many times i have heard women talk about this and when i asked to these women why the betrayal of their men with another man would have been worse ,they replied that with a woman they can compete,with a man no.The same thing is for a man that is married with another man;maybe Olli thinks that if Christian want women again is because he needs something that Olli,as man,can't give to him(and i don't talk only about babies).I don't know if i express this concept well. I'm not totally ok with this vision because my idea is that many times a human being falls in love with a person, regardless of gender;(even if there is who is just straight or gay..or they think so ) this concept it's hard to express that is better to stop it because this is not a science forum As someone who IS 100% Gay, I can say that I may love a few women as friends, but I could / would never love a woman in a way that would lead to a physical / sexual relationship. As such, for me, a betrayal by a male partner with a woman would probably be less UNFORGIVABLE than with another man. It would be LESS unforgivable, but still UNFORGIVABLE. I don't see any way that Olli can ever get over the feelings of betrayal, I KNOW that I most certainly would NOT. This story line has me very fearful for the future of Chrolli.
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Post by jos87 on Apr 18, 2011 20:50:35 GMT -5
I'm agree with you.Infact many times i have heard women talk about this and when i asked to these women why the betrayal of their men with another man would have been worse ,they replied that with a woman they can compete,with a man no.The same thing is for a man that is married with another man;maybe Olli thinks that if Christian want women again is because he needs something that Olli,as man,can't give to him(and i don't talk only about babies).I don't know if i express this concept well. I'm not totally ok with this vision because my idea is that many times a human being falls in love with a person, regardless of gender;(even if there is who is just straight or gay..or they think so ) this concept it's hard to express that is better to stop it because this is not a science forum As someone who IS 100% Gay, I can say that I may love a few women as friends, but I could / would never love a woman in a way that would lead to a physical / sexual relationship. As such, for me, a betrayal by a male partner with a woman would probably be less UNFORGIVABLE than with another man. It would be LESS unforgivable, but still UNFORGIVABLE. I don't see any way that Olli can ever get over the feelings of betrayal, I KNOW that I most certainly would NOT. This story line has me very fearful for the future of Chrolli. hey when i wrote in my previous post "or they think so" i was joking.I hope to have not offended you.if i did sorry. Maybe the reaction to this kind of cheating depends on people.We are all different and we react in different ways.For me a cheating is a cheating,no matter if is with a male or female.For other people (and Olli for me is between them [ahahaah seem that Olli is a real person])is not the same.
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Post by ncecho on Apr 18, 2011 21:55:53 GMT -5
There's one thing I'm not getting here. Christian doesn't remember what happened. Andi doesn't remember what happened. We all know that him telling Helena that Christian did was him just trying to cover himself. Maybe we will never know for sure but it still hasn't been proven(yet) that he actually did cheat. Sadly at this point, I'm not sure that even if he didn't that it would make much difference in Olli's mind
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Post by Trish on Apr 18, 2011 22:18:05 GMT -5
It might not. Just the idea that he thought he could sleep with a women, means to him that he wouldn't find it repulsive. I think that part of what Christian isn't saying. He's sayiing that he had a lapse, but he not saying that if he was in his right mind he would never sleep with Jessica, or any other women.
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Post by luckycharm on Apr 18, 2011 22:34:35 GMT -5
Olli's line about "if it was with a guy..." is so irrational, but, it fits with his irrational mind-frame/fear at the moment, so it makes sense. Ha, when nonsense makes sense. ;D Hence, Christian's complete 'back against the wall' hopelessness with the situation, of how they could move past this - what he can say/do to tackle such irrationality and calm Olli's fear. Both were great today - Thore and Jo. I don't know how Christian and Olli could muster up the patience to deal with Andi, as they have. Whenever his mouth is moving, it's annoying. YAY!, for Chrolli bedroom. Loved all the pictures on their walls, chronicling Chrolli. Thank you to our stars, MercuryMay and Joanna.
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Post by pru on Apr 18, 2011 22:59:54 GMT -5
I don't blame Olli at all for having that fear.
Christian is the one who put it there in the first place. It's not like Olli is being irrational cuz everytime Christian messes up bigtime it has to do with him putting his lips on another woman.
And until he deals with that truth there is nothing he is going to be able to do to start winning back Olli's trust.
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Post by bel7003 on Apr 19, 2011 3:50:45 GMT -5
I've just had time to watch MM's vid now and I'm so sad. I liked Andi doing the voice over. That way, we can at least know he feels guilty about the whole thing, because the way he acted... really selfish and clueless. How could he see what this was doing to his best friends and keep on worried they would keep on covering for him? I liked Olli and Helena's conversation at NoLimits. BTW, I think generally the dialogues are getting better. The characters are actually talking to each other about what they think and feel. I like that. But the end was so sad. Olli acknowledging he couldn't get past Christian's lapse (as he calls it) and Christian's realization that he didn't know what else to do to prove to Olli that he is the one he wants. On a side note: I loved thier headboard, with all those pictures. I read it as a sign Christian and Olli have built a full life for themselves. One that I hope the characters feel is good enough to fight for. (Although the headboard looked a bit like a Christmas tree! ) Thanks, MM and Joanna.
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