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Post by Trish on Mar 26, 2011 11:59:39 GMT -5
It was sad when Christian said that. I guess with Olli's talk about another child, he figured that Lily didn't mean as much to Olli as she did to him. I do hope they will talk and work this out, but with Olli thinking that things will just be fine in a few days, I'm not so sure about that.
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Post by maya on Mar 26, 2011 12:01:18 GMT -5
If those two don’t get their act together and soon then I’m going to be the one sitting in a psychologist office. You and me both Sonia! Sometimes I think that Chrolli relationship problems worry me more than my own (don't tell my boyfriend please! ) Thanks a lot Mercury and Joanna!! Oh God! This was a really painful episode! You can feel the love and the frustration but also like right now there's a wall between Oliver and Christian and they seem not be able to communicate and talk about their feelings to each other
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Post by valso on Mar 26, 2011 12:06:18 GMT -5
It was sad when Christian said that. I guess with Olli's talk about another child, he figured that Lily didn't mean as much to Olli as she did to him. I do hope they will talk and work this out, but with Olli thinking that things will just be fine in a few days, I'm not so sure about that. I think Olli is trying to not concentrate on his pain and immediately find some new project to immerse himself in, pity that once again they can't communicate and bleed their pain together to come out stronger from this ordeal.
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Post by sonia38 on Mar 26, 2011 12:41:14 GMT -5
A pity indeed. It seems they never learn from their mistakes. After the Rob/Rebecca situation you would think they would communication more with each other, but no, they are back to square one again.
What will it take for them to learn, I guess they will have to hit rock bottom before they both see what the hell is going on.
I better get off this board and go food shopping or my kids will starve to death because of my obsession.
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Post by valso on Mar 26, 2011 12:48:49 GMT -5
What will it take for them to learn, I guess they will have to hit rock bottom before they both see what the hell is going on. And I fear it will be just like that, cause we aren't at the bottom yet, but what makes me go on and let me stay hopeful is the thought that all this hurt will make them grow and be a better person and a better partner. Cause even through the hard times and all the mistakes on both part I'm sure that they love each other very deeply. (once I let my bf without dinner cause I was too engrossed in commenting and watching VL ;D )
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Post by thesunu79 on Mar 26, 2011 13:01:13 GMT -5
Before all this went down they spoke about the ramifications of what would happen when Lily had to leave, they promised to support each other thru it but instead, when reality sank in, those promises went out the window and they are more apart than ever. I thought it was very telling when they were both in NL and Christian said he was going upstairs, Ollie asked to go with him and Christian totally ignored him, how very sad was that, it broke my heart for the both of them, I guess things have to get worse before it gets better. If anyone did not notice Olli's facial expression when Christian chose to ignore his offer to go up stairs with him - OMG - you need to watch it! This is what acting is all about. Well done Jo Weil, you were truely amazing!! )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 13:12:13 GMT -5
Before all this went down they spoke about the ramifications of what would happen when Lily had to leave, they promised to support each other thru it but instead, when reality sank in, those promises went out the window and they are more apart than ever. I thought it was very telling when they were both in NL and Christian said he was going upstairs, Ollie asked to go with him and Christian totally ignored him, how very sad was that, it broke my heart for the both of them, I guess things have to get worse before it gets better. If anyone did not notice Olli's facial expression when Christian chose to ignore his offer to go up stairs with him - OMG - you need to watch it! This is what acting is all about. Well done Jo Weil, you were truely amazing!! ) I agree , he was amazing although I didn't want to start a discussion about who was better in this episode!!! Jo or Thore - both were absolutely amazing IMO
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Post by Trish on Mar 26, 2011 14:01:47 GMT -5
It was sad when Christian said that. I guess with Olli's talk about another child, he figured that Lily didn't mean as much to Olli as she did to him. I do hope they will talk and work this out, but with Olli thinking that things will just be fine in a few days, I'm not so sure about that. I think Olli is trying to not concentrate on his pain and immediately find some new project to immerse himself in, pity that once again they can't communicate and bleed their pain together to come out stronger from this ordeal. The thing is that Olli told Rebecca, Christian had barracaded himself up when he needed him. It bothers me that they seem to always have them telling others how they feel instead of the person that they love. Christian saw Olli being all strong and seeming like he was taking things in stride. He has no way of knowing that he needs him. Rebecca might have been trying to be nice, but I really wish they hadn't had her show up, but I suppose it was just more of them keeping the boys from talking, because when Christian emerged, he seemed like he had pulled himself together, but when he left NL, he obviously hadn't and was just trying to put up a front.
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Post by gelybi on Mar 26, 2011 14:40:43 GMT -5
The thing is that Olli told Rebecca, Christian had barracaded himself up when he needed him. It bothers me that they seem to always have them telling others how they feel instead of the person that they love. Christian saw Olli being all strong and seeming like he was taking things in stride. He has no way of knowing that he needs him. Oh, come on! He's been together with this person for 3 years! He's his husband. No way you don't know or feel how your partner is doing in such situation. Olli is acting strong in front of others, he saw that in private is very different. They are both hurting and they both know that. They should go through this together. They should support each other and cry together if necessary. Christian behaved like Olli was to blame for the loss, just because he was the one to bring Lilly into their lives? He should remember it was him who was obsessed with having children after visiting Gregor and the twins. There was no one to blame, it's just plain stupid, and not the best way to cope with the pain. And many people said Olli is a bit crazy and that he's rushing things thinking about having another foster child, I know is too soon, but he's impulsive, the hope of having a family again can ease his pain. If we talk about impulsiveness, what about Christian? Throwing away everything Lilly-related immediately, so it seems that she never existed? Is that better? Why he took the decision of cancelling the contract without asking Olli? I know the apartment is so big for the two of them, but it was cruel to say he wanted to stay with friends. After all you never know what the future could bring, they can adopt, even if it takes 6 years, or go abroad and get a surrogate. If this thing with Lilly happened a month later? They would have moved already. Like Olli said, they knew Lilly could go with her father at any time before looking for the apartment. And...well, as I can't talk about spoilers here...I'll stop now.
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Post by dalphine on Mar 26, 2011 15:19:39 GMT -5
I think everyone should understand this is drama, I believe if this couple was real they would talk about there problems. But it's a soap opera and this kind of stuff is what soap are made of lots of dramatic drama.
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Post by sonia38 on Mar 26, 2011 15:40:00 GMT -5
I was thinking the exact same thing. Friends over your husband, that's how it came off to me and I found it very disconcerting. And it was Christian who was all gung-ho over having children at first.
Also throwing away Lily's things and cancelling the apt. that was also quite troubling. But, there were times when Olli did things without consulting Christian first but still it was wrong and hurtful.
I guess they are going to keep pounding each other for the time being until one or both of them wake up when they see that their lives are running away from them. Lord, the drama, I have to fasten my seat-belt cause this is going to be a bumpy ride.
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Post by gelybi on Mar 26, 2011 16:21:11 GMT -5
Thanks Sonia38, it's nice to see someone sharing my thoughts, sometimes I feel I'm alone with them.
And you're right this seems just the beginning of a devastating war. I only hope, they will be able to raise from the ashes...together.
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Post by mariesun on Mar 26, 2011 16:49:33 GMT -5
you're right , i guess I'll need to replenish supplies of everything needed for the next weeks ... I just don't know what will be needed above all ... chocolate, tissues , booze??
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Post by andc39 on Mar 26, 2011 18:20:33 GMT -5
Thanks Sonia38, it's nice to see someone sharing my thoughts, sometimes I feel I'm alone with them. And you're right this seems just the beginning of a devastating war. I only hope, they will be able to raise from the ashes...together. Your'e not alone.I feel the same way. Christian seemed to shut Olli out in this episode.He doesn't seem to notice how hard this is for Olli because, Olli is trying to be strong. I did notice a few times when Olli saw how hard this is for Christian. I felt the exact same way during Lilly's anaphylactic shock episode. Christian didn't notice how scared Olli was.He attacked him and accused him of almost killing her. I've read a lot of comments that accuse Olli of forcing a foster child on Christian.I never saw it that way.It may have been Olli's idea.They had tried adoption,surogacy,fostering was the next alternative.Christian seemed excited about it , untill they went to Cps to fill out the application . It was then they both realized the consequences of fostering a child and it was Charlie , who convinced them to reconsider the idea (IMO).
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Mar 26, 2011 18:50:17 GMT -5
Christian really bothered me in this ep. Why the fuck is he acting all cold towards Olli??? It wasn't Olli's fault Lily left with her dad, they always knew that would eventually happen! Christian...get your fucking act together...Olli doesn't deserve this, he's in as much pain as you are...
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Post by Trish on Mar 26, 2011 21:43:58 GMT -5
I was thinking the exact same thing. Friends over your husband, that's how it came off to me and I found it very disconcerting. And it was Christian who was all gung-ho over having children at first. Also throwing away Lily's things and cancelling the apt. that was also quite troubling. But, there were times when Olli did things without consulting Christian first but still it was wrong and hurtful. I guess they are going to keep pounding each other for the time being until one or both of them wake up when they see that their lives are running away from them. Lord, the drama, I have to fasten my seat-belt cause this is going to be a bumpy ride. Being his husband doesn't make him a mind reader. One of the biggest arguements that mates have is that one thought the other should have been able to figure out what they are thinking. I know people want to blame Christian for this, but both are at fault. Christian for shutting Olli out and Olli for thinking that Christian should be able to move on, since giving up a child is what fostering is all about. They need to recongnize their differences and talk about them. Hopefully they will see that down the road.
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Post by sonia38 on Mar 26, 2011 22:08:10 GMT -5
My husband is a mind reader and I’m not kidding... Both of them have their faults, I agree, but I really don’t think Olli is ready to move on, he’s just in denial and holding back his feelings, he is very good at this. I don’t know, maybe he doesn’t want to fall apart in front of Christian but that’s exactly what he needs to do so Christian can see that he’s not as strong he thinks and that they both need to hold on to each other during this difficult time. Oh hell, if they keep this up they are going to need to sit in front or Dr. Phil or Dr. Ruth real soon but better that than in front of Judge Judy.
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Post by bel7003 on Mar 27, 2011 6:52:36 GMT -5
Both of them have their faults, I agree, but I really don’t think Olli is ready to move on, he’s just in denial and holding back his feelings, he is very good at this. I don’t know, maybe he doesn’t want to fall apart in front of Christian but that’s exactly what he needs to do so Christian can see that he’s not as strong he thinks and that they both need to hold on to each other during this difficult time. Oh hell, if they keep this up they are going to need to sit in front or Dr. Phil or Dr. Ruth real soon but better that than in front of Judge Judy. I totally agree with this. Somehow I've always felt that Olli knows how troubled and insecure Christian is and he needs to be the stronger one so he can protect his man. But he doesn't realize that Christian doesn't see it that way. He feels as if Olli isn't suffering as much. Christian always speaks his mind, even when he should shut up because he's hurting Olli. I guess he needs Olli to do the same. This difference of attitude is causing all sorts of misunderstandins between them. Oh, Mariesun, we're going to need it all, chocolate, tissues and a looot of booze. Strong booze!
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Post by wawa2 on Mar 27, 2011 10:06:29 GMT -5
I felt the exact same way during Lilly's anaphylactic shock episode. Christian didn't notice how scared Olli was.He attacked him and accused him of almost killing her. Yeah, I remember Olli's face after Christian said that to him, he looked like he wanted to burst into tears. These two desperately need to communicate. I really wish they would have taken the new apartment. Even if they decided not to foster another child for awhile, they could have used the space to focus on each other, they could have enjoyed the garden and the change of scenery would have been nice since we no longer get WOO HOO in the flatshare bathtub anymore... hell, I don't remember the last time we saw the boy's bedroom. I am definitely going to miss little Lily, Christian and Oliver need to be sobbing in each others arms right now and helping each other. They have been through so much and have been together too long not to know how to effectively communicate. I think I am starting to forget this is a soap... someone hand me a baby and some reality STAT!!!
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Post by lizg12 on Mar 27, 2011 16:44:08 GMT -5
Also throwing away Lily's things .... that was also quite troubling. actually, that makes a lot of sense to me. I know people who have lost babies and get rid of everything RIGHTNOWRIGHTNOWRIGHTNOW!!! because it hurts too much to see it all. Sometimes their spouses regret it because it hurts not having the things around, but whose hurt is "more" important? The spouse who hurts because the things are still around, or the spouse who hurts because the things are gone? It's not something that can be discussed rationally because they're BOTH hurting.
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Post by sonia38 on Mar 27, 2011 17:34:45 GMT -5
For me, I could understand Olli being so hurt by all this much so more than Chris. Lily was attached to Olli’s hip at every turn, I hardly saw Christian spend anytime with her, he even lied his way out of taking care of her so Olli had to take her to work. Even after Lily’s illness and they had the little tiff, Olli slept in the living room he had Lily with him. It is only the last two episodes that I saw Christian’s attachment to Lily and I blame that on the writers they really did a messed up job conveying this before now.
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