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Post by gidi on Sept 28, 2013 2:29:53 GMT -5
don't be hard on joscha.Yes he know about himself had relation with manu when manu came out he broke up with him. How many young gay footballer who r out u know? they have alibi girlfriends. I prefer the world wa different. I hope eventually will be out and with deniz. Joscha could still have an alibi girlfriend without having to lead anyone on - compare Christian on Verbotene Liebe (he was a boxer, surrounded by homophobic dicks so he had to stay in the closet) he had Judith as his alibi girlfriend for a while, but it was fully with her consent that she was pretending to be his girlfriend. (I'm also slightly put in mind of the interview there was with an anonymous gay German footballer who said "I've never had to pay (for woman to pretend to be my girlfriend) because a proper gay guy like me always has his best girlfriends.") I mean, I understand Joscha's scared but for me the homophobia he faces doesn't override the sexism of a man just using a woman as a tool to achieve his own aims, nor the inherent cruelness of anyone manipulating another person and their feelings like that. If he had told Mel from the beginning what was what, they could have solved her money troubles and his alibi girlfriend troubles by him just paying her to pretend. Obviously that's a bit of a risk for him to tell her, but as he's hooking up with random guys from online already it's not like he's being mega-careful with his secret... ok don't forget at the begging she was not in love with him. She fall later in love. she is not pure sheep and he is not the bad wolf. I am not saying it is nice. This situation of gay man have girlfriend as away to flee from who he is is well known. There are gay man who marry the woman have children and then realize they can't flee and coming out and all suffer.. Yes so he is search for guy like him in internet for his needs how r this difernce when fing guy and later he is awful it is nothing careless.We can deal with telling when the vstory proceed.. I would prefer he would be out and pide but we know the fotball world. I would he would search for alibi girlfriend but...
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Post by gidi on Sept 28, 2013 2:18:12 GMT -5
So now after e 1776 future spoiler are understandable. Spoiler said mel outing him and all group laugh on him ,but as it is this is not the case .I asuume in his day dream he will see all group laughing him. But as she didn't out him it explain his fear she would do it and her fighting over him with her "rival".
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Post by gidi on Sept 28, 2013 2:13:10 GMT -5
thanks mimi Now we see again how spoiler can misslead, After all she was not really out him ,yes nick especially like it,I think we now going to see what went on joscha head.. and the fact she didn't out explain the spoilers next..
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Post by gidi on Sept 27, 2013 10:20:09 GMT -5
mimi it seemes it will not develop
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Post by gidi on Sept 27, 2013 10:17:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry but right now as this story is being written I have little to no interest in it at all. It is not character driven at all but plot driven (which I wouldn't mind if the plot were good or well thought out and constructed)but the plot is muddy at best and nonexistant at worst. That Deniz kissed Mel once and all of a sudden is deeply in love with someone as shallow and manipulative as Mel, is just dumb to me. That Joscha's feelings for Deniz seem to turn on and off like a light switch is pathetic in an effort to keep his story going rather than deepening his feelings for Deniz to heighten the level of angst. While his fear of being outed in the football world is real and compelling if told in the right way. As it has been constructed now it is nothing but one big long boring cliche. That Can gets away (for the most part) with his homophobic comments with a cousin like Deniz and an uncle that is Marion boggles the mind. That he is seen as comical for it is offensive to me. Ignorance isn't funny to me nor should it be accepable in order to drive the plot along. And I know it's just a soap, but even a soap can be weill written and thought out, we know this because there have been times that AWZ has been and it happened in the not so distant past. Yeah, I will agree that the writing right now is rather bad. But at least something is happening and the awful Joscha/Mel relationship is over. As for Deniz being in love with Mel. At least the show has a history of relationships that never happened, especially when it comes to Deniz. He was in love with Stella for a long time and she never returned his feelings. And he had a bad experience, being only second choice, when he was with Sarah. The show just had a long story, where Bea was in love with Ingo, and then Ingo was in love with Bea, but they never got together. So there is hope. And the spoilers support that hope. Mel is too busy taking revenge and hopefully will turn off Deniz. Those 'feeling' that Joscha had for Deniz where only mentioned in the (not very accurate) spoilers. We never saw them on screen. Deniz was rather a performance help for Joscha. But I have to say I like their conversations at the moment. I personally am hoping for a drunken one night stand for Joscha and Deniz and maybe have Mel stumbeling over them in the morning, that could be fun. And I would love to see a little bit of the old, impulsive Deniz. While I like the fact that he is now more mature it's a bit sad that his old self vanished. He is waiving the moral flag too often, but at least he shows a soft spot for Joscha. As for Raquel and Joscha: Meybe there will be a wedding day blow up. Ingo will probably be the one who puts and end to the fake wedding. Although he might take his time, since he just (partially) ruined another wedding, because he was in love with his best friends fiance. Looks like the show really likes to repeat stories right now. it could end it
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Post by gidi on Sept 27, 2013 10:17:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry but right now as this story is being written I have little to no interest in it at all. It is not character driven at all but plot driven (which I wouldn't mind if the plot were good or well thought out and constructed)but the plot is muddy at best and nonexistant at worst. That Deniz kissed Mel once and all of a sudden is deeply in love with someone as shallow and manipulative as Mel, is just dumb to me. That Joscha's feelings for Deniz seem to turn on and off like a light switch is pathetic in an effort to keep his story going rather than deepening his feelings for Deniz to heighten the level of angst. While his fear of being outed in the football world is real and compelling if told in the right way. As it has been constructed now it is nothing but one big long boring cliche. That Can gets away (for the most part) with his homophobic comments with a cousin like Deniz and an uncle that is Marion boggles the mind. That he is seen as comical for it is offensive to me. Ignorance isn't funny to me nor should it be accepable in order to drive the plot along. And I know it's just a soap, but even a soap can be weill written and thought out, we know this because there have been times that AWZ has been and it happened in the not so distant past. Yeah, I will agree that the writing right now is rather bad. But at least something is happening and the awful Joscha/Mel relationship is over. As for Deniz being in love with Mel. At least the show has a history of relationships that never happened, especially when it comes to Deniz. He was in love with Stella for a long time and she never returned his feelings. And he had a bad experience, being only second choice, when he was with Sarah. The show just had a long story, where Bea was in love with Ingo, and then Ingo was in love with Bea, but they never got together. So there is hope. And the spoilers support that hope. Mel is too busy taking revenge and hopefully will turn off Deniz. Those 'feeling' that Joscha had for Deniz where only mentioned in the (not very accurate) spoilers. We never saw them on screen. Deniz was rather a performance help for Joscha. But I have to say I like their conversations at the moment. I personally am hoping for a drunken one night stand for Joscha and Deniz and maybe have Mel stumbeling over them in the morning, that could be fun. And I would love to see a little bit of the old, impulsive Deniz. While I like the fact that he is now more mature it's a bit sad that his old self vanished. He is waiving the moral flag too often, but at least he shows a soft spot for Joscha. As for Raquel and Joscha: Meybe there will be a wedding day blow up. Ingo will probably be the one who puts and end to the fake wedding. Although he might take his time, since he just (partially) ruined another wedding, because he was in love with his best friends fiance. Looks like the show really likes to repeat stories right now. it could end it
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Post by gidi on Sept 27, 2013 4:35:14 GMT -5
thank u mimi so joscha did it but in wrong way deniz who is oushing him cause unseen mel to know now what is her next move?...
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Post by gidi on Sept 27, 2013 4:22:14 GMT -5
thank u mimi so while ringo fake things while yan heard about susie yan think ringo is not gau ok but than yan heaar and have suspious.. what a story
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Post by gidi on Sept 25, 2013 1:46:15 GMT -5
thanks mimi who is this pascal guy?
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Post by gidi on Sept 23, 2013 16:32:53 GMT -5
thank u mimi so lucas g/f is bitch her nose too high and we see how joscha was afraid of discovering the true about manu.
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Post by gidi on Sept 23, 2013 16:24:20 GMT -5
hi guys why we don't have FB close group for yanick and ringo as dero (deniz roman now deniz joscha
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Post by gidi on Sept 23, 2013 15:47:04 GMT -5
But the thing that drives me crazy is trying to figure out the family links in the show. It seems that everyone is related in some way. Hope I'll manage some day. It is complicated, because many characters are part of the series for several years, more than a third of the cast is there for more than a decade. So they are all linked somehow. I hope, this will help you a bit, it's the current main past. I while make two or three posts, because it is easier for me this way. The Weigel family: That's Irene Weigel. Actress Petra Blossey is the only actress of the original cast from 1994, who is still part of the show. The house was former owned by her mother in law and then by her husband. Both of them are dead for a few years, and now Irene owns the house. She has two sons and one daughter. The oldest son left the series long time ago. Till Weigel, Irene's son. Actor Ben Ruedinger is a recast and plays Till since 2000. Till does have a son with his first wife, who is sometimes recurring. The son is currently in a boarding school, mostly for the reason, that the child actor can't work that much. It doesn't make much sense within the soap's universe, in my opinion. Eva Wagner (Claudelle Deckert). Till's wife and a lawyer, who is part of the show from 2001 to 2006 and again since 2008. She's a bitchy character, but with a soft spot and not too evil. Her mother Heike is currently part of the show as well, but like Yannick Heike is recurring. Anna Weigel, Irene's daughter and Till's sister. Marylu Poolman is the third actress to play the role and does so since 2010. Anna owns the local bakery, which she inherited from her father Wolfgang. Paco Weigel (Milos Vukovic, who is part of the show since 2000.) He's the nephew of the late Wolfgang Weigel and therefore Till and Anna's cousin. Nonetheless, he was married to Anna (this is legal in Germany, but rather unusual). After Anna had a miscarriage and can't get any children again, they drifted more and more apart and divorced. Rufus Sturm (Kai Noll, since 2003), Anna's current and much older boyfriend. After his wife Rebecca (the one, who once had the lesbian relationship a few years ago) was killed by the show's most evil villain, and Rufus went through a hart time, Anna cared for their daughter Lotta. This was shortly after the relationship with Paco ended. Over the time, Rufus and Anna grew closer and became a couple. Rolf Jäger (Stefan Franz, since 2002, but currently taking a break since May 2013). Wolfgang Weigel's illegitimate sun from before the relationship with Irene. Half-brother of Till and Anna. He came to town, to find his father and a new family, but turned out to be a total nutcase and highly criminal. Over the years, he has commited about every crime possible, including murder, attempted murder, kidnapping, and arson. Somehow, he never got caught for a long time. He's the murderer of Rufus' wife Rebecca, a crime, for which he is now sitting in a psychiatric ward. But according to RTL, the character is just taking break, and since Rolf is in therapy, he might return, which would be the horror of about every character, because pretty much all of them worked together, to bring him to justice, and he sweared revenge. Sina Uhland (Valea Scalabrino, since 2010). Another illegtimate child of Wolfgang. She and Irene had a strained relationship for some time, because in contrast to Rolf, she was the result of an affair Wolfgang had during the manage. But she has grown close to every Weigel family member, including Irene. She is highly intelligent, but also rather arrogant about it, sometimes. But she does have a good heart not so deep down. She's the schoolmate, who got bullied by Ringo. thank for enlightening us good to know
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Post by gidi on Sept 23, 2013 14:12:31 GMT -5
It depends, what you mean with dating. He made a bet, that he could seduce Suji Wagner (a former main character, who was in a relationship with Ingo 'Easy' Winter) and destroy the relationship. But while trying to do so, he genuinely fell in love with Suji. They slept with each other, and Ringo told her in confidence, that while he acts like a big macho at school, she was the first girl, with whom he slept (yes, he did say first girl). Shortly afterwards, Suji learned the truth about the bet. And at a school party, she made a speech and told everyone about Ringo's scheme and added, that he isn't as big a womanizer, as he pretends to be. After the party, Ringo and Easy got in a physical fight and Ringo hit his head hard on the ground. The next morning, he collapsed and his life was in danger. Afterwards, he pretended to have amnesia and out of revenge for her speech at the party blackmailed Suji to leave town. Otherwise, he would have told the police, that Easy was responsible for his injury. And since Easy had been previously convicted, he might have gone to prison. Ringo actually started the fist fight with Easy, but he told Suji in her face, that he would simply lying about it, and that the police would probably believe him. So Suji left town and the soap, and that was the only storyline so far, where Ringo had something like a romantical interest. thank u now we know more
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Post by gidi on Sept 23, 2013 11:42:32 GMT -5
I don't think so yannick is good guy I think he can change ringo. I think Yannick can be a bad boy when he wants to be. At the moment, it just looks like the show is portraying him as a good guy. But maybe it will change later if he stays on the show. we will not quarrel on that everyone stay in his opinion
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Post by gidi on Sept 23, 2013 1:46:28 GMT -5
I wonder if Ringo and Yannick actually could be in a relationship together.. Ringo is the "bad boy" and Yannick seem like a really good person. If Yannick doesn't "make" Ringo into a better person (and that won't happen in soap land), how long do you think Yannick would put up with Ringo? I think Yannick is bit of a bad boy himself. He certainly has this kinda steamy ego. When he was talking to Kira on the bench he was looking Off to the distance with a sexy smirk on his face. I bet he was planning something not so innocent. I don't think so yannick is good guy I think he can change ringo.
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Post by gidi on Sept 22, 2013 14:57:36 GMT -5
they are soooo cute togheter and both very beautiful i hope soon they will be together and open
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Post by gidi on Sept 22, 2013 9:34:11 GMT -5
So, like I promised here's episode 1700 when Joscha have arrived in Essen for the first time: vimeo.com/75139485The other two clips will coming soon thank u we learn about manu I hope we shall see the full trth between them
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Post by gidi on Sept 22, 2013 9:13:48 GMT -5
In case you are interested in some spoiler pics: Yannick (Eric Stehfest) learns from Kira (Barbara Prakopenka), that RIngo had a relationship with a girl. Ringo (Timothy Boldt) threatens Yannick. Yannick wants to help Ringo finding the blackmailer. Easy (Lars Steinhöfel) wants to make Ringo suffer, like he made him suffer. Ringo and Tine (Pia Stutzenstein) Ringo's half-brother Tobias (Patrick Müller) finds out the truth. Ringo and Easy make a truce. Ringo feels attracted to Yannick. Kira suspects, that her brother is gay. Ringo and Yannick get caught by Kira. Ringo wants an affair with Yannick. thank u
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Post by gidi on Sept 22, 2013 1:47:30 GMT -5
ok I think Nick is also in the closet and his flirting with Katja is his way of making an alibi. also he knows he can get a reaction from Can by doing this. at least that's what I hope ... because if this story is to be about Deniz+Mel then it's depressing..... besides Nick does have a very nice bod. nick is for short time so it can't happen, still think mel deniz will not work.. in the end I still think it is deniz joscha but it make too long time.
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Post by gidi on Sept 22, 2013 1:41:24 GMT -5
thanks mimi Poor can , this nick is pain in the neck does he know?
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Post by gidi on Sept 21, 2013 14:52:33 GMT -5
A quick question. Is Ringo's sexuality out of the blue or was there previous allusion to what happened at the computer camp or any other intimations? Apologies if I missed something. from what we told something happened in the computer camp if u want to see preview u will get an answer or wait next week
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Post by gidi on Sept 21, 2013 14:17:56 GMT -5
thank u mimi joschs has shown today he know what is needed when he tried to calm can
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Post by gidi on Sept 21, 2013 10:59:09 GMT -5
Speaking of Eric Stehfest (Yannick), did you guys see this part of his showreel? He's absolutely smoking in it. And he can dance too. Ok, shallow mode off Can't wait for next week! yes his dance was very good he sure has multiple talent
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Post by gidi on Sept 21, 2013 3:15:47 GMT -5
So Mimi just posted episode #1771. I checked spoilers again ( here) and it looks like next week is the big reveal. I'm looking forward to it, even though it won't be his choice to come out. we have another 2ep this week as to next week.. maybe u r right but from continuation it seems his secret is not discovered yet ..Mell still try to fight for him..
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Post by gidi on Sept 21, 2013 3:03:34 GMT -5
I've been watching Deniz and Roman and now Deniz for the past 4-5 years and I don't even recognize Deniz anymore. What happed to getting wiser as you get older? maybe writers r not consistent...
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