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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 8:06:03 GMT -5
But what exactly do you see in Brendan then? If you don't like his violent side and his manipulations and obsession over those he loves, what is it that makes you believe in Brendan? Apart from his good looks? Ste needs someone who is capable of loving him without being possessive and obsessive, who can show him how to be in a mature and loving relationship which isn't only about physical passion and sex, but about relying on one another and being loved for who you are. Obviously we don't know how Doug is gonna behave, but as far as we go now, he's off to a pretty amazing start. I like everything about Brendan, except when he loses his temper. I like him better when he keeps his cool. He's learning how to do that.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 7:57:16 GMT -5
That's all that matters in the end: it being a soap and getting an unrealistic ending, no matter what. That's not what i said. I meant that in a soap a character like Brendan can change. Even though in real life it wouldn't happen.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 7:45:35 GMT -5
I think he needs to deal with his issues. He can still be himself and respect the people he loves. I don't like the violent side of his personality. That's what i want him to change. His violent side is his personality. Sociopaths are the way they are not by choice, but by nature. He can't just go to therapy, have someone tell him "it's okay", then come out a changed man. But this is a soap. Anything can happen! ;D
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 7:44:55 GMT -5
Him being "himself" IS him being violent AND not respecting the people he loves. Yet, hope does last. But i don't like his violent side. He needs to control his temper.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 7:42:33 GMT -5
I think it's my 10th time watching.... Can't stop, too... much... cuteness..... so... tired. I watched the clip again this morning. Great way to start the day and the possibility of Ste and Doug made me revisit the lovely and amazing Manuel and Lalo saga from 2010's Argentinean telenovela Botineras. I've never seen that. Is it any good?
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 7:37:07 GMT -5
I hope he treats him with more respect. No one deserves to get abused. I honestly don't get where you're coming from. Do you want Brendan to change and become the 'amazing person' he can be? He's clearly a sociopath, he can't even be normal let alone amazing. Or do you want him to still be the bad boy to everyone but Ste? That's kinda impossible too, he's always going to conceive love in an abusive and possessive way, even if he'll get help and stop reacting violently towards the one he claims to love. I think he needs to deal with his issues. He can still be himself and respect the people he loves. I don't like the violent side of his personality. That's what i want him to change.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 5:24:58 GMT -5
Don't forget being abusive to Ste. That pesky little issue. I hope he treats him with more respect. No one deserves to get abused.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 4:52:27 GMT -5
I want Brendan to change for himself. He could be an amazing person if he managed to sort himself out. You mean you would like for him not to be the bad guy anymore? Or you'd just want him to change only in his realtionship with Ste? I can see a storyline with Brendan finally accepting himself as a gay man (maybe if his son comes back), genuinely trying to repair what he has done to Ste and understanding that there's nothing wrong in being in a public relationship with the person that he loves. But I don't really see why they'd want to turn Brendan into a good guy, IMO he works really well as the bad guy, the viewers have this love/hate feeling towards him that I'm not sure the writers want to change. Brendan will always be a bad guy. Nothing will ever change that. But i want him to be out and proud. He shouldn't be ashamed of being gay.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 3:46:03 GMT -5
From All About Soap: "There's unfinished business between Brendan and Ste. Watch this space." Yeah! Sounds amazing! ;D
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 3:33:36 GMT -5
The Stug romance is very good. But it lacks the fiery passion of Stendan. It's all cute and fluffy. That's why it reminds me of Luke and Noah. They also were more like best friends than boyfriends. I think we still can't say that Ste and Doug lack of something, they are not a couple yet. They haven't even had their first kiss yet, who knows if it will be sweet and tender or full of passion.. I wouldn't compare them to Luke and Noah, mainly because I wasn't that invested in them as much as I am now with Stug, moreover Luke and Noah were treated more like friends not showing an onscreen kiss for months. I agree with you, though about Brendan and Ste having amazing chemistry and passion, I loved Stendan (still do) but I think that Ste deserves to be in an healthy relationship. Then we'll see what happens and if they will want to bring Brendan and Ste back together I think they will have to solve in a believable way all Brendan's problems. It's good that Stug are different. Nothing wrong with cuteness! I want Brendan to change for himself. He could be an amazing person if he managed to sort himself out.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 2:55:46 GMT -5
I can't wait for tonight episode! Ste looked so shocked at the end!
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 2:39:09 GMT -5
So far the writers are doing a great job with Stug. I'm surprised at how much i'm enjoying it. I can't wait for Ste to tell Doug he likes him as well.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 2:34:09 GMT -5
That's an interesting way of seeing the "Doug has a change of heart" spoiler, Difficult Diva. Doug is a good guy and it makes sense that he could want to keep his friendship with Ste, believing that he doesn't stand a chance with him romantically. Maybe he thinks that between only being friends with Ste is way better than not to have him in his life... And I don't see Ste being manipulative either, I think they want to tell a normal love story between 2 people without the scheming and all that manipulation stuff (which will probably be Brendan's role in the storyline). Btw I don't see the comparison with JP/Craig either... The Stug romance is very good. But it lacks the fiery passion of Stendan. It's all cute and fluffy. That's why it reminds me of Luke and Noah. They also were more like best friends than boyfriends.
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Post by vanessa on May 9, 2012 2:31:13 GMT -5
Sorry, but i disgree. I respect everyone in here, but i believe Brendan will change.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 15:28:44 GMT -5
That last scene was amazing, PJ and Kieron acted the hell out of it too, I was seriously impressed and more excited for tomorrow than ever. It's their acting that's drawing me in. I can't wait for the kiss! ;D
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 15:23:20 GMT -5
Thanks Steffi for posting the clip. At work, so I'll have to watch during my commute home. So excited to see the scenes, especially from yours and Walluh's response. : ) I like their gentle chemistry. It all feels very natural. I really hope they don't mess this up!
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 15:16:37 GMT -5
Brendan and Ste are not the same man. The circumstances of their violence were completely different and their backgrounds were different. Amy and Ste were both kids when they got together and Ste was already abused and damaged and doing drugs and being abused regularly by his family. Brendan is what Ste MIGHT have become 20 years late if he hadn't gotten help, gone to youth offenders, received treatment and counseling and worked VERY hard for years to get his act together, control his temper and become a better person. Brendan is a sociopath. He is written as such. He is psychologically incapable of change. He ENJOYS controlling others and manipulating people's lives. He's a very interesting character and Emmett is a glory to watch but Ste and Brendan are not the same. Ste was barely able to form words that weren't fueled by bitterness, anger and fear when he was 16 and beating on Amy. They had to be apart for years before they could even have a conversation. And, Amy STILL has issues about it as she references it from time to time. Ste has genuine remorse for his horrible treatment of her but he has grown into a wonderful young man who wants to love his kids and raise them to be good people and he avoids violence at all costs now. In all the time Brendan was abusing him, he only hit him back once (in any significant way) and it was to make Brendan stay away from him. Some part of Ste believed he deserved to be punished because of his treatment of Amy. That plus his coming out got all mixed up with desire and lust for Brendan. But I think Ste sees Brendan VERY clearly now. Even IF he's ever able to forgive him, he'll never forget and he'll never be able to be with him (now that he knows what it's like to be in a relationship with someone who isn't trying to control you with violence and manipulation.) I'm not mad at Brendan. I'm glad he's on the scene causing mayhem. I just want to see Ste's character's progression continue. I think Kieron and Emmett both know that these characters are linked forever but that doesn't mean they're going to be some sunset ending, endgame thing. IMO The point of all these interviews is to keep viewers interested and guessing so they're always going to dangle some Stendan out there I agree. ;D (And I guess this discussion should actually have been in another thread... ) I read it on twitter. Producer Emma hinted that Brendan was going to try and change.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 15:10:53 GMT -5
Why not? Amy and Ste have managed to stay friends. Brendan and Ste are not the same man. The circumstances of their violence were completely different and their backgrounds were different. Amy and Ste were both kids when they got together and Ste was already abused and damaged and doing drugs and being abused regularly by his family. Brendan is what Ste MIGHT have become 20 years late if he hadn't gotten help, gone to youth offenders, received treatment and counseling and worked VERY hard for years to get his act together, control his temper and become a better person. Brendan is a sociopath. He is written as such. He is psychologically incapable of change. He ENJOYS controlling others and manipulating people's lives. He's a very interesting character and Emmett is a glory to watch but Ste and Brendan are not the same. Ste was barely able to form words that weren't fueled by bitterness, anger and fear when he was 16 and beating on Amy. They had to be apart for years before they could even have a conversation. And, Amy STILL has issues about it as she references it from time to time. Ste has genuine remorse for his horrible treatment of her but he has grown into a wonderful young man who wants to love his kids and raise them to be good people and he avoids violence at all costs now. In all the time Brendan was abusing him, he only hit him back once (in any significant way) and it was to make Brendan stay away from him. Some part of Ste believed he deserved to be punished because of his treatment of Amy. That plus his coming out got all mixed up with desire and lust for Brendan. But I think Ste sees Brendan VERY clearly now. Even IF he's ever able to forgive him, he'll never forget and he'll never be able to be with him (now that he knows what it's like to be in a relationship with someone who isn't trying to control you with violence and manipulation.) I'm not mad at Brendan. I'm glad he's on the scene causing mayhem. I just want to see Ste's character's progression continue. I think Kieron and Emmett both know that these characters are linked forever but that doesn't mean they're going to be some sunset ending, endgame thing. IMO The point of all these interviews is to keep viewers interested and guessing so they're always going to dangle some Stendan out there I think everyone can change. Even Brendan. Ste can help him. He knows him better than everyone else.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 15:05:28 GMT -5
I just loved Dougs "answer"... or rather no answer... For me it seemed like he realised his love at that point just like Ste did. Of course he knew there where feelings and all that, but it just fell into place by hearing Ste saying it out loud. And by the way, excellent acting... how his voice broke at some point and he just seemed like he was going to cry... Well it´s out now, I´m really looking forward seeing Ste´s reaction to that confession... Kieron and PJ acting are really selling this for me. They're very committed actors and always give 110%.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 15:01:35 GMT -5
Why not? They can be if they sit down and talk. What would they talk about? Brendan wants Ste all to himself and he wants them to be together, I don't think Brendan could live with them only being friends. And Ste is probably not interested in being Brendan's friend. Brendan was starting to open up to Ste about his childhood abuse. Then he went to prison! I just think Ste could help Brendan to change.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 14:56:48 GMT -5
I really liked the dialouge at the end, I had thought of it alot, and imagined that it would either seemed forced, or, it wouldn't be clear enough, but I think this was done really well I like them a lot more than Ste and Noah. These two make a good couple.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 14:49:38 GMT -5
I want to see Brendan change for himself. Him and Ste should be friends. They can't be friends... Why not? Amy and Ste have managed to stay friends.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 13:51:33 GMT -5
Emmett said that Stendan aren't over. That suggests that something will happen. A heart to heart maybe? Doubtful, I think Emmett just meant that in the sense that Brendan still loves Ste and it's going to involve that somehow because obviously Brendan has blackmail material with Doug and he's probably going to use that against him. Emmett said that Brendan's life is about to change forever. I wonder if that means we'll finally see his dad.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 13:43:11 GMT -5
I feel that more thought, effort and development of all the characters involved in this new storyline has been the focus for the née Executive Producer and her writing team. It's not just about seeing one character manipulating everyone in this particular tale (for the moment). I'm very curious to see where all this is going. I love Emmett, Kieron and PJ. They're fantastic actors and very nice people.
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Post by vanessa on May 8, 2012 13:29:28 GMT -5
Omg! That was so cute! Doug letting slip that he love Ste! Awwww! ;D
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