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Post by elomelo on Feb 13, 2012 2:15:32 GMT -5
That being said, if Geoff doesn't return next season - I will be PISSED they didn't end this season with the guys walking off into the sunset together! Oh, I really hope Geoff comes back or I will be incoherent with rage. (And probably very happy in denial and tell myself that Pavel survived, they got hitched and are very happy in Prague.) But it's curious that Damon's interview hinted that they would leave together. Maybe we were just being hopeful?
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Post by elomelo on Feb 13, 2012 1:00:52 GMT -5
cheerios, it seems to be the trendy way to get rid of gay characters on storylines these days, it seems. It's quite depressing.
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Post by elomelo on Feb 12, 2012 23:59:42 GMT -5
Yes, tubedout, thank you for the uploads. It's been one hell of a journey and I can't say I've gotten over it just yet but I really do appreciate what you've done for those of us outside Ireland. rosemonday, I was under the same impression -- that Damon was done with the show. And there was much talk that Krystof wanted to leave the show to focus on other acting pursuits. I guess not. Well, I suppose I will be in denial for a while, maybe pretend they did get their sunset ending after all as someone said on youtube
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Post by elomelo on Feb 12, 2012 22:40:52 GMT -5
This is so horrible. They were so happy and this? I was all but screaming at my laptop when Pavel insisted he was fine. Every soap, storyline, etc has taught me any injury, no matter how slight, needs to be checked out or else. Especially a blow to the back of the head! I am in tears. Another gay character killed off.
If the actor who plays Geoff wanted to come back, they could've had him break up with Pavel or something later on. I don't know. Maybe this is just the grief talking. I just can't believe it turned out this way...
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Post by elomelo on Feb 7, 2012 20:13:47 GMT -5
"Yeah, that sounds like creeper Selena." I actually laughed out loud You're right, that makes sense but I wanted to see the whole going-into-the-sunset bit. And I didn't know about Mal just walking away (I can only watch the Geoff and Pavel SL), I thought there'd be more to it than that but I guess the show keeps things like this fairly minimalist.
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Post by elomelo on Feb 7, 2012 14:58:23 GMT -5
I'm holding out for a happy ending too but am curious to see how they manage to pull it off considering all the bad feelings at this point. I hope it's not a rushed ending though it very well may be...
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Post by elomelo on Feb 6, 2012 7:40:39 GMT -5
rtgtx Thank you so much for the uploads! I love how you include some parts of the other storyline as well so we have a better idea of what's going on. Poor Pavel and Phillip! It's so frustrating that Selina is so blatantly out to sabotage Pavel and Geoff, considering how welcoming and trusting Pavel was despite finding her passed out in his boyfriend's bed. And then to go blab about the potential restaurant when Pavel clearly told her not to. /facepalm/ I don't know what she hopes to gain by breaking them up -- maybe some sort of petty payback or the whole if-I-can't-have-him-no-one-will attitude -- but she's really doing some damage, turning them against each other. The whole marriage thing is really going to hurt, considering Geoff lecturing Pavel on a couple being honest with one another when he hasn't really been honest at all. And Pip Poor kid. Jojo was very out of line but I felt bad for her too...she's so different from the Jojo of last season, so damaged. Yikes only one episode. I look forward to seeing if/how they all resolve everything I'm holding out for a happy ending though stormy waters are still to come. :\
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Post by elomelo on Jan 31, 2012 21:37:52 GMT -5
Oh, I totally agree. I don't think Geoff did anything too crazy. Hopefully the marriage thing is the only ~big secret~ Geoff is keeping from Pavel at this point. Ditto on the happy ending. Since it's most probably their last season on the show, they deserve a nice send-off.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 31, 2012 19:01:38 GMT -5
And urgh, Selina "befriending" Pavel is such a weird image -- no Pavel run the other way! Tell me about it! Bearing down on the oblivious Pavel with a smile on her face and malice in her heart. Coffee with Selena. If I was Geoff I'd be getting VERY nervous about now. Just imagine the poison she'll pour into Pavel's ear - the half-truths and insinuations, the doubts and uncertainties she'll try and plant in his mind. Or maybe she'll just go the short & brutal route and just blurt it out. "Oh!" Shocked and innocent look. "I thought you KNEW!" Can't wait for next episode. FINALLY something's happening ! Oh, Geoff is definitely going to be on the alert on that front, trying to be in the room when they're with each other at all times. But it's a tricky situation since Pavel would then ask if you don't trust her, why are you letting her stay in our home which would then lead to questioning if she was hiding something. Urgh, she'd probably do a combo of both. Pour lies and half-truths for most of the night, then let slip we're married donchaknow (or some London equivalent thereof ha). I just hope she doesn't try to do something incredibly stupid like make a move on Geoff (despite being very clearly rebuffed), making sure to do when Pavel comes in (he looks shocked in the intro montage so I wonder what that's about). The saddest thing is that Geoff is in that point life where he's open and proud, and if Selina wasn't creepy and had her own selfish agenda, she could be someone who'd bring Pavel full circle to Geoff's life and be a good friend to both of them. But this is a drama so I guess we need a "villain". But yes I am excited about next week as well. Look we'll be getting plot, drama and cute domestic bliss too! cheerios: That would be the right and sensible thing to do (oh Geoff) but I think Geoff is scared of losing what he has and he's probably been meaning to Pavel (which of course is ironic as by not telling him, he digs himself a bigger hole) but keeps putting it off or had no intention of telling Pavel because he and Selina probably agreed never to discuss it. Does anyone know anything about immigration in Ireland? Couldn't have Geoff divorced Selina once he became a permanent citizen or?
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Post by elomelo on Jan 31, 2012 4:48:05 GMT -5
rosemonday: You're right, she's clearly thinking only about herself here but she is so incredibly creepy! She just worms her way into everything, charming and manipulating (which would be somewhat admirable if she wasn't the biggest creepster ever) and trying to secure a place in Geoff's life. As Isabella said, maybe she was the "technical failure" girl or a beard or friend who didn't let go but either way her motives as guided by her feelings are totally irrational at this point but then again, she's not exactly a picture of stability and sense. cheerios: Exactly. If Geoff were to explain the situation to Pavel, though he might be angry at first, he would come to understand. However, if Pavel does propose as has been hinted by the "big life changing offer", that might be bigger problem but I can see Pavel being angrier at the fact that Geoff didn't tell him vs the fact that he's married. I don't know if they're going to squeeze an outstanding warrant into the plot into the last two eps (but who knows? crazier things have been done ) but if Geoff were to come clean to him, I'm sure Pavel would stand by him. We've seen that Pavel values honesty so he'd ultimately be more hurt about being lied to than anything else. And urgh, Selina "befriending" Pavel is such a weird image -- no Pavel run the other way!
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Post by elomelo on Jan 30, 2012 5:31:21 GMT -5
rtgtx: Thank you so much!!! I try not to abuse the exclamation point too much but I really do appreciate it! This is probably going to be too long and ranty but I have so many feelings~ about this episode... I loved big brother/mentor Geoff working with and looking out for Phillip. The “grasshoppa” comment was adorable as is everything Phillip does in reaction to the praise and encouragement. (Poor Phillip though, Jojo’s coldness towards him made me hurt for him. He’s the sweetest thing.) And phew, I’m glad Geoff knows about Phillip’s homelessness and is helping him out in his own way – I would’ve been worried if Geoff didn’t catch on. It’s really a sign of how far Geoff has come to see him angry but still level-headed and not venting it the wrong people. He doesn’t yell at Jojo but tells her he’s disappointed and that he cares for her but she needs to pull herself out of this downward spiral unless she wants to lose everything she’s worked for. (Anyone who watches the show beyond the Geoff and Pavel storyline: are things getting better or worse for Jojo?) He doesn’t yell at Selina either but is clearly bewildered by her attitude – like the rest of us, I’m sure. I’m glad he (partially) caught onto her scheming ways and isn’t letting her off the hook. It would’ve been frustrating if Geoff was clueless to Selina’s ulterior motives and everyone else would be trying to convince him that she’s no good (the reverse of that scenario as it’s playing out now is quite interesting). Oh, Selina, she’s an interesting one. Do I smell kleptomania or...? I mean, stealing from Geoff when you’re low on funds is one thing but stealing 100 euro (a noticeable chunk of cash) from the restaurant you could potentially be working at is a stupid move, especially when you’re already under suspicion. Or it might just be her confident in the fact that she can get away with it. Hearing Pavel’s voice on the phone – ;D yay, finally! He’s coming back! But grr Selina, what is she doing? She acted like she didn’t know if Geoff had left his phone at home but clearly told Pavel her name when she pretended to take a message – I’m putting her reckless “plans” down to holding something so huge over Geoff’s head and feeling like whatever she does, there will be no real consequences. “My life with Pavel and Raw and everything – it’s been the best it’s been in a long time” I loved this statement but oh Selina’s face, she was definitely not pleased. “You’re not going to tell Pavel anything are you?”/significant pause/ “Of course not.” And when has that ever worked out? I can clearly hear the unsaid “—unless I need to.” Urgh, Geoff, I’m sure Pavel would understand if it was an immigration thing. I’m wondering... Selina knows Geoff is gay and secure in his sexuality and in a committed relationship. Why pursue someone so clearly unavailable and why wait seven years before dropping in on their lives? I understand if she assumed that Geoff would be the same one-night-stand-only friend of hers with a space in his life she could easily fit into and be secure, and therefore safe from whatever she’s running from but the physical attraction bit? Why act on it when you know there’s no chance he’s interested in you? For all her manipulation and calculations, Selina is clearly interested in Geoff the way as shown to us by that kiss she almost steals when he’s half-asleep on the couch. The preview: Pavel! Geoff missed him! And they kissed! THEY’RE BEYOND ADORABLE and ack, actual affection /falls over/ And bless, Pavel is so open to getting to know Selina and hear her stories about Geoff. Being the “angel” that she is, I bet these stories are going to be lurid play-by-plays of Geoff’s various escapades and other things to put doubt in Pavel’s head or just hurt him. Am I the only one feeling a strong protective urge towards Pavel or?
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Post by elomelo on Jan 29, 2012 22:08:44 GMT -5
Oh, don't worry about it -- it's so nice of you to upload it in the first place. A little wait won't hurt.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 29, 2012 6:58:26 GMT -5
They're (almost) definitely going to have a happy ending unless they want to seriously piss off a good chunk of their fanbase. With Krystof Hadek leaving + what Damon Gameau has said in his interview, the couple will be leaving together and on a good note. If they were to stay on the show, there would need to be drama and problems to keep things interesting so now they can have a natural happy ending. And they deserve it after everything they've been through! The Selena thing will probably be the finally wrench in the gears but things will (hopefully) end smoothly. Judging from the interviews...Selena just seems like a once-loved friend who has now become an unwanted house guest and a reminder of a reckless past Geoff wants to forget. I don't know if she wants to break them (and why would she unless there is some other ulterior motive not revealed to us) but she does seem like to shake things up so I guess we'll see how that unfolds. Let's hope Pavel's welcome nature and earnestness towards Geoff's friends guilt-trips her into not wrecking everything. Or maybe that's just me being optimistic..
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Post by elomelo on Jan 26, 2012 17:22:01 GMT -5
dalphine: Season 1 was broadcast on RTE 2, which is a less mainstream channel and allowed for more "explicit" and racy material. When the show was moved to RTE 1, season 2 and onwards became much tamer, especially in the depiction of physical affection between Geoff and Pavel (I'm not sure about the other couples as I can only watch this particular storyline but I hear things are much tamer for everyone else as well). Sadly, I think the show wants to appeal the widest demographic possible and cut away on such things as what should have been a great kiss at the end of season 3 (Geoff had just told Pavel that he loved him and always had, and it was such a brave move that the quick shot of the back of his heat seemed cheap and did a disservice, in my opinion, to the characters and their relationship). So yeah, I'm right there with you - as are many others I'm sure - in being frustrated with the lack of affection shown between them.
I love Pavel and Geoff together, and seriously doubt the writers will break them off for the sake of keeping Geoff in the show to date again (and Damon Gameau's interviews have hinted at the characters leaving the show together).
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Post by elomelo on Jan 26, 2012 13:41:48 GMT -5
cheerios, you're absolutely right, marriage doesn't ensure happiness but I'm a bit of a hopeless romantic and the idea of a happy marriage on the show would be nice. Hmm, leaving Raw is a huge step -- which might allude to the life-changing offer Pavel makes -- but maybe Geoff wants to start his own restaurant on his own terms as he's always dreamed, now that he has a solid name and reputation as chef. Though Geoff and Fiona have completely changed the place (for the better), Raw was Mal or rather Tanya's dream project so maybe Geoff (and Pavel) want to start something new for themselves.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 26, 2012 1:05:20 GMT -5
I'm going to be an idealist and hold out for a wedding but you're probably right wallywa617. Ah, as long as they're together, that's what's important. Though I am curious to see if Selina is married to Geoff and the fallout with that situation. Only three more eps for all that to unfold, I'm nervous but excited.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 25, 2012 14:59:41 GMT -5
Aw, Damon is so sweet and lovely in his interview -- I love how much thought he's given his character. There's a fondness there and it shows how much work he puts into playing the part of the Geoff we all know and love. While it's sad to think of Geoff and Pavel leaving the show, I agree that it's best that the end on a high note. I'm assuming that if Pavel is visiting home, his relationship with his family has or will improve drastically and might be the deal-maker in getting hitched (not that I think Pavel needs his family's approval to get married but their blessing would make it that much better). I just hope we get an on-screen wedding and a great send-off, not just subtle implications and fade-to-blacks. If they were to open a restaurant together, it'd be so great. Geoff has always dreamed of having his own place, run according his rules, and Pavel would make a great partner with his experience in management (and keeping Geoff balanced). rosemonday, I agree! Pavel's return seems very close at hand and I hope they feature him in this ep. I'm being an optimist and thinking they didn't show him in the preview clip so as to build the suspense and make it a surprise.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 25, 2012 6:37:32 GMT -5
I hope Pavel shares some of his stories from the Republic, especially those pertaining to his family (have they forgiven him?) and what they think of Geoff who I can imagine Pavel gushes about. Ack, I wish they gave us morsels at least -- maybe a peek at Geoff's voicemail, messages they leave each other, or even just Geoff talking to Pavel on the phone. They don't need Krystof for that xD
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Post by elomelo on Jan 24, 2012 5:45:05 GMT -5
Thanks tubedout for the uploads! Ok, I think a lot of people will agree with me that it's time that Selena and Kate left. How can Fiona be some wonderful and Kate be so horrible? Hopefully Pavel is at least back in the last two episodes to help Geoff get rid of Selena. I think that when he was young Geoff did something stupid that Selena took the blame for and helped him out. Or perhaps she helped him out of a jam out great expense to her. Either way it must be big to have him acting like this. But I bet Pavel being Pavel will accept and love Geoff and want Selena gone. As scary as Selena is, I do want to see how her presence affects Geoff (and Pavel) at RAW and what exactly she has against him. Like tubedout said, it's probably something she took the rap for and now is back to extract payment for the favour. That doesn't explain why she was considering kissing Geoff however but that might just have been her contemplating how to weasel into Geoff's life. He's no longer in the closet so her plan by way of being a mock girlfriend to get money and security is out the window, but there's always impressing the pants off Geoff's colleagues and then becoming an (uncomfortable) addition to work. Watching the preview for next week on the RAW Facebook page - weird how everything but the whole episodes themselves are available outside Ireland - I'm worried that we won't see Pavel at all. He wasn't in the preview video so I'm assuming he (might) show up in the last few minutes or they want to leave it a surprise.tubedout, has there been any word in regards to another season/series? Just because with the direction of this eps, I don't think we'll get closure on the Geoff/Pavel storyline with only this season.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 23, 2012 18:21:51 GMT -5
Anthony uploaded the new ep last night on Youtube (thank you! much appreciated ). What were your thoughts? Mine are below. SPOILERS BEWARE:I'm glad Geoff caught on and am not surprised -- he's a control freak, he'd notice is things in his house disappear, especially money. Selina is actually pretty scary and manipulative, playing innocent when it suits her and then pointedly reminding Geoff of the fact that he owes her. Hmm, I wonder what could be that major that she could hold it over his head like that..? And, as happy as I am to see half-naked Geoff -- once in each epside, woo -- I hope Pavel comes back soon and we see (half) nakedness together If he doesn't come back in the next episode at least, he'll have not been in the show for half the season! I want to see how he reacts to Selina who may be working at RAW judging from the picture of her in staff uniform on the RTE website and how/if she interferes in their relationship. All in all, an interesting episode with progress. Sadly, still feeling a lack of Pavel but I'm sure he'll be with us soon.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 21, 2012 18:41:12 GMT -5
Where did you read that one?? Did I miss something? That would be so great!! I really hope, Pavel will come back and wants to stay with Geoff and they are all lovey-dovey ;D (I can see him being homesick and wanting to go back to his family, yes, that would be CRUEL!) Hopefully we'll see him soon. I'm having withdrawal symptoms Only one more day!! I read this on Anthony Langford's recap on AfterElton.com: Well for starters, an old friend of Geoff’s visits from Australia, forcing Geoff to face a piece of his past he’d rather forget. Plus, if that weren’t enough, how will Geoff react to Pavel’s shocking offer? (I smell wedding bells!) I think it was in the series description on the website too. Oh I do hope they get to be lovey-dovey though something tells me that while Geoff may be for it, Selena will put some doubts in his head or something of that nature. Drama! I'm having withdrawal symptoms too. I remember when season 3 ended, I kept on watching all their vids over and over, especially the one with the super hot kiss at the end of season 1 and the confession in season 3 Isabella: Welcome I'm in the same boat, new to the forum and completely smitten with this couple. I've heard a few people express that their chemistry was lacking, especially in season when Pavel seemed unaware of what Geoff was feeling but I think that Pavel just assumed what he was did was unforgivable and that Geoff's emotional upset was a result of the attack and being his usual, possessive self. (And ye gods, Dr. Jack was boring and looked like Ray haha. Celery juice? Sexy... ) You've hit every nail on the head with the descriptions. Pavel is sweet but confident (and on a shallow note, that hair and that skin mmm), and the calming presence to Geoff's chaos and fire (Geoff is almost nice and mellow with Pavel around to calm his down). Argh, I want to see them be domestic and happy for at least an episode, and actually show some affection (those pictures in their apartment melted in my heart, so sweet) like any other couple. Ah, it seems like I'm the one rambling. This is what they do to me. Tomorrow (?) is almost here.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 21, 2012 3:26:03 GMT -5
I really hope Geoff balances his friendship with Selena and his relationship with Pavel but yes, -- I think the whole 'I don't begrudge you of your friendship with Jojo' conversation is bound to happen, especially if Pavel senses something is up with Selena and Geoff doesn't see it or refuses to see it. We want to think the best of our friends, especially if they've gotten us through rough times as is implied with Selena and Geoff's relationship. The sad/sweet thing is that Pavel would probably be very welcoming initially and be happy to have one of Geoff's friends staying with them, as now Geoff is open and proud of them being together. But from what we see of Selena, she may not be as open to sharing Geoff (or his secrets) with Pavel unless it benefits her. I really want to write fanfiction for this pairing and have many ideas brewing in the pot, so to speak, but I'm a sucker for detail so I need to see how this season unfolds. Obviously, I want happy and domestic Geoff and Pavel and maybe (though, judging from what the channel tends to do to intimacy between them, I don't have high hopes) a steamy love scene. Give us some love, RTE! This once in a lifetime offer from Pavel to Geoff in the season/series description -- wedding bells? I'm both giddy and nervous to see where that one goes. (Ha, Geoff would be all over that wedding cake for sure! )
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Post by elomelo on Jan 21, 2012 1:22:01 GMT -5
I think Geoff knew since he was a teenager. While all his friends were getting excited about the bikini clad girls on the beach, he was more interested in the guys. He probably tried to be with a woman as a teen, but he just couldn't, as he said mechanical failure. I think Selena was there as his best gal pal when he was more quiet about his sexuality. I think she's running from something and is using Geoff as a hiding place. I don't see her as being in love with him. It's been several years since they've seen each other. Crazy obsessed stalker people don't wait that long to get what they want. And he was very happy to see her, so he must not have picked up on the insanity with a hint of creepy yet. And I usually saw Geoff as a pretty good judge of character. Am I the only one who wants Pavel to come home soon and after dealing with Selena to have him swearing in his native language. I don't know why, but I want to hear Pavel speak Czech. I think the teen friendship makes sense, especially with the several hints of things we used to get up to and crashing on each other's couches. I don't know about love but there is definitely physical attraction on Selina's part or she's just playing it up really well. And as happy as Geoff was to see her, he seems super nervous to have around so I am very curious to see what secrets lie between them. I love Pavel speaking Czech -- multilingual/polyglot characters are so interesting and it'd be funny if Geoff gets some of it, the swearing at least by now from ehem various contexts But yes, Pavel please come home! I want to see them all domestic in their flat before the thing with Selina really gets crazy. I really hope she doesn't try to break them up or anything but I have a bad feeling she might.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 20, 2012 22:41:36 GMT -5
I'm not saying she's a psycho stalker. I was basically saying that I can't think of a single storyline with a gay couple where a woman schemes to break them up because she wants one of them for herself. In tv or film. So I was trying to understand how this storyline could be considered cliche. I have no reason to think she's psycho or a stalker. I don't Selena's character is a cliche exactly in this case as Geoff is very sure of his sexuality and is in a committed, long-term relationship but ex-girlfriend-tries-to-get-gay-boyfriend/partner back has been used in other SLs. It was a major part of the finished Hollyoaks storyline with John Paul and his boyfriend at the time, and is currently the problem on Eastenders with Christian and Syed, involving an ex-wife. But I don't think it makes this storyline cliche, unless we learn that Selina is a lover spurned or something. This might just be a way of exposing Geoff's past in a dramatic way in the way I hope we get to learn about Pavel's relationship with his family and his previous life in the Czech Republic. My current theories on Selina are jilted lover or would-be lover (possibly the mechanical failure that confirmed his sexuality) or, for some reason, drugs or something of that nature. The second seems unfounded but I dunno, it keeps coming back to me, especially with Geoff swearing off pills and the like. (But ah, I'm so excited for this storyline. I hurt so much for them last season and was so happy with Geoff admitting his true feelings for Pavel but was disappointed with the kiss. Come on, Geoff just served his heart on a platter and all we see is the back of his head? I hope there is more affection this season, even if it's just the sweet, quiet affecting at the beginning of season 2. *bounces* I'm far too invested in this storyline, I'm afraid )
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Post by elomelo on Jan 20, 2012 8:28:21 GMT -5
Aw, I thought it was funny and Ashley was adorable (Rob Stark omg!). Ah, so much potential. /sigh/
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