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Post by gidi on Aug 22, 2013 4:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Aug 21, 2013 0:34:33 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Aug 16, 2013 14:34:28 GMT -5
Yes, that's why I said it would bring things full circle. Joscha's ex committed suicide, so now that he finds himself in this situation, he might logically think suicide is his only way out. Perhaps Joscha might hallucinate Manu telling him things are better now that he's dead, and that leads to his own suicide attempt. I really feel they should take this story to that extreme, because it's not something soaps portray and because of it people end up downplaying the sort of stress/trauma/depression someone in Joscha's position might suffer. To me, it's very clear that Joscha is deeply unhappy with the lie he feels he has to live, the fear of being rejected by his teammates, and the tragic end to his boyfriend's life - but others seem to just see him as a heartless coward who cruelly uses an innocent woman for his own ends. yes people don't see what behind it forget how football is not accepting gays. the one who still play retiered and that asked to return so.. it is clear.
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Post by gidi on Aug 16, 2013 14:31:08 GMT -5
I totally agree with you, justinate ! Even though I really hope they're NOT going to kill Joscha off especially since we know that his ex-boyfriend Manu killed himself. yes I hope he will not kill himself .I hope he find someone who can help him!
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Post by gidi on Aug 16, 2013 14:26:37 GMT -5
I`m glad the mess with Mel is over, but on the other hand I'm a bit worried about Joscha! I can understand why she was mad but it was awful what she did after their break-up! He shouldn't be taken out of the closet this way, he is not ready yet! Plus it can harm his football career... hope, none of his teammates or fans are going to beat him up just because he's gay! Why should Mel put Joscha and future as a professional football player over how he used her and her feelings for him, in order to be seen as straight? Joscha put himself into this situation, by not being straight with her, from the very beginning. yes but he was right, remember how many gay footballer out u know in the age of joscha ? She shouldn't out him!
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Post by gidi on Aug 15, 2013 4:17:40 GMT -5
now we have to wait next week spoiler what happen to joscha
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Post by gidi on Aug 15, 2013 0:20:11 GMT -5
I feel sorry for Joscha! And really hope, he will find someone who will help him through the hard times! Of course the best person seems to be Deniz ... even if he is angry at him, who else would understand Joscha better sure i hope joscha find someone who can help deniz? may be hope he will not end like his ex....
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Post by gidi on Aug 15, 2013 0:16:07 GMT -5
Thank you mimi for the videos. I really enjoyed these last two episodes. Obviously I liked a lot the last part of yesterday's episode and not only cause there is a passion-dream sequence between the boys (that in my eyes seem to have a good chemistry )but also for the way it was edited. I think that Awz's people were always great in this kind of things. About Mel I can't say for sure if she is really interested in Joscha or if she wants only to be the girlfriend of a football player but I feel sorry for her. I understand that Joscha is scared but it's not fair what he is doing to her. The scene in the bed (when he was drunk) made me feel really sorry for her...... when mel heard him say man she should be alarmed
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Post by gidi on Aug 15, 2013 0:14:42 GMT -5
yes, Joscha shouldn't push her off the bed, but Mel has an advantage to have sex with him while he was drunk? Come on. That's wrong. Mel should know better because Joscha wouldn't remember anything and that will hurt Mel even more. I wouldn't do that to my girlfriend and let her rest until she becomes sober then we can do whatever. First your right he should not have thrown her around like that, but as much as he is not in love with her and is using her, she is not in love with him either and is only using him for the fame and money that come along with being the girlfriend/wife of a famous footballer. How many times has she mentioned what he could buy for her, remember she talked about him buying her expensive purses before going to the bar. I pray to god the writers aren't going down the road with the old tired over used closeted gay guy sleeps with girl once and gets her knocked up just before coming out. Isn't it time for something new. i agree she use jos too, al this game will cause people hurt..I don't think there is babt story for josh.
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Post by gidi on Aug 15, 2013 0:11:03 GMT -5
Wow, nice in a way..but still wrong to imagine Deniz while having sex with Mel..what if he get her pregnant or worser: She would want more sex from him? Think about it. He def will regret it. Dang. He should just let it go and let Mel be mad at him and move on but He did it because Deniz told him to because he is in love with Deniz. Oh gees. imagine deniz was the only way jos could do with mel
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Post by gidi on Aug 14, 2013 0:10:06 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Aug 11, 2013 2:56:27 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Aug 11, 2013 2:50:06 GMT -5
Thank you Mimi for the video : ) Joscha is really scared to be outed and we can understand his reasons. Have a nice weekend everyone ; ) I agree on that and i understand it looking on how many players came out.
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Post by gidi on Aug 11, 2013 2:48:17 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Aug 5, 2013 15:20:30 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the dicussions about Joscha and Deniz and thanks to all your kudos! THis week we won't have much of Doscha, I guess you have to wait until the end of the week to see Joscha again, unfortunately! it seems only friday
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Post by gidi on Aug 5, 2013 6:12:54 GMT -5
To go into things in more detail... I would say that Joscha is a little homophobic himself. It appears to me that he doesn't accept himself for being gay and would wish that he could change being gay. I think we are going to see a lot more of this with him acting out fear and anger. One thing I can say it is going to be a hell of a ride going on this journey with him! I can't wait to see what's next!!! I think your take on things is right to Lady Armand! The great thing about all of these discussions is the way we can see different views that can complement already present ideas or evolve them into something a little more 3 dimensional. When I read your post all I could think was about Les Chansons D'Amour at the the end where it is quoted: Aime-moi moins mais aime-moi longtemps “Love me less, but love me a long time” .... so very French and so very romantic! i don't think joscha is little homphobic himself. he has real reason for his fear how may gay fottballer(soccer) do u know? especially the age of jocha?
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Post by gidi on Aug 5, 2013 4:08:55 GMT -5
Melanie's not in the way of Joscha and Deniz displaying boy kisses at all. Deniz isn't ready to allow another man, into his heart, soul and mind. Regardless of Melanie being in the situation, Joscha, at this point in his life, isn't that guy for Denis. Deniz, shouldn't have to be the guide to Joscha fully embracing his gayness. What I mean about Melanie is that she is going be in the middle of it if they go the way the boys getting together.Joscha is lying to her about being gay using her as a cover.Deniz is going to starting like her.Deniz might end up dating her and later on start liking Joscha but this my option okay everyone has their own thinking what is going to happen.Deniz is grown man what Joscha is going through is what Deniz went through too when he was young so I think he would help Joscha accept himself and tell him its okay to be out of closet gay man playing soccer i hope they will not again on triangle it was done in the past it is boring, for me it death sentence for this sl.
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Post by gidi on Aug 4, 2013 4:30:21 GMT -5
I agree with mimi about Deniz not noticing the crush but I personally think there could be more.... Think of Roman in comparison.. here was a man who was completely comfortable with being gay and wasn't ashamed by loving Deniz even out in public -- I think we all remember PDA from this couple! Joscha(however much he is growing on me.. Seriously is he getting hotter!?!?!?) is the exact opposite of Roman and, frankly, until he is ready to live his life openly loving Deniz then I don't think Deniz is going to get involved... Hopefully this will all sort out itself and we can have them as a lovely pairing later on!!! BTW is anyone else really happy in seeing Tom Chroust back writing our fav S/L's??? I trust that it will be a great S/L with him involved!! i think like u deniz will not want lover in the closet and may wait to joscha. The question is when joscha have the guts to come out?
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