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Post by quell on Jan 12, 2011 19:18:36 GMT -5
I have to disagree jjose, with your comparsion of JP-Craig sl to this one. Because we knew for a fact Craig was feeling JP. It was in almost everything he did even though he acted like an asshole most of the time. And secondly, JP didn't have ANY PROBLEM calling Craig out on his bs. They would fight and argue all the time with JP standing his ground. Lucas saying he provoked Edwin was some BS! Because if we flip it around doesnt that mean that Edwin provoked Lucas when he laid his lips on him? And the ONLY thing I agree with Edwin about is that he and Lucas need to stop seeing each other PRONTO! I'm tired of the unbelievable crap they have Lucas spouting. It makes him come off as the biggest loser walking. Where is Noud when we need him? He would point out Lucas's doormat behavior in a second. When it comes to JP/Craig, after the kiss in the gym; there wasn't much saying the Craig felt the same way as JP. In fact the first time you could even hint that Craig was into JP was when he got jealous over Spike. And even though JP did call Craig out on his BS, he still went to bed with him every time Craig wanted it. And that made JP look much worse than Lucas, cause he was knowingly screwing around on a friend. Lucas is playing martyr by taking all the blame. He knows he can be overly pushy; and by taking the blame, he can get past the situation and try and get through to Edwin again. The problem is, HE SHOULDN'T. Until Lucas realizes it is not his place, i fear he is going to keep throwing himself at Edwin. Hopefully Lucas will back away after this.
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Post by quell on Jan 12, 2011 13:42:24 GMT -5
I think the choice of words is spot on for the situation. Aaron has effectively chained himself to Jackson. Through a combination of caring for him, guilt over the accident, and fear of losing him; Aaron is shackling himself down and Jackson doesn't want that. If Aaron is only there out of sense of obligation, he is not doing himself or Jackson any favors.
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Post by quell on Jan 12, 2011 4:51:17 GMT -5
Brendan and Ste were both on yesterday and at least Brendan or both will be on for the rest of the week and most of next week as well.
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Post by quell on Jan 11, 2011 23:37:36 GMT -5
I'm not feeling that "he falls in love with the first gay boy he meets cliche" cuz that's not what happened here. Lucas has had many relationships with guys over the years, this is just the first time he has really been in love. I'm not impatient and have no problem waiting for their story to unfold. The things that are making my ass hurt are one, we really have no clue who Edwin is, so Zathras was right when he said others saying Edwin was acting out of character when he got violent with Lucas. We can't really say that because we really have NO IDEA who the hell Edwin is and what makes him tick, thanks to the writers not fleshing out his character. Two, I don't appreciate Lucas coming back for more after Edwin verbally assaulted him and then he does it physically by choking him. Lucas has endured more than enough bashing on the show and shouldn't have to be putting up with anymore...at least without him fighting back. I also hope, not really confident, that the writers don't make Lucas act all pathetic where Edwin is concerned. Being in love is one thing, but being a fool is quite another. I was talking about Edwin falling for the first gay boy he meets. The thing about Lucas was that he was a breath of fresh air, a well adjusted out gay character. But because of that, the built in drama fest that is coming out on soaps was missed completely. So now we have Edwin, and they are making up for the lost chance. The only issue i really have with the story is why in the hell did Lucas fall in love with Edwin. All he really knows about him is that he is cute, can be flirty, and he doesn't talk much. I think it was a choice by the writers to not give us insight into Edwin so that his overall choice will not be so obvious. I will say that if they still have Lucas fawning over Edwin without something major happening, that is when the story will let me down. But until it actually transpires I am going to be optimistic and hope Lucas will be able to keep his dignity.
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Post by quell on Jan 11, 2011 22:53:05 GMT -5
I for one an enjoying the storyline and am interested in what way it is all going to turn out.
When it comes to Lucas/Weit friendship, there is no easy way out for Lucas. Weit is going to keep unintentionally hurting him, because she is clueless to what transpired between Lucas and Edwin. Weit is getting a lot of hate from people because she is "rubbing it in" that she got Edwin, but to me that is just the way there friendship is. Lucas hasn't been honest about either the kiss or the depth of his feelings, so how would she know to be sensitive around the subject. And had Edwin just came out and been with Lucas, he would act the same way Weit is right now.
And about the whole cliche issue. There are only so many ways to tell the same story and certain events will happen more often because they cause the most drama. Him using Weit to hide his sexuality is definitely a cliche. Now to the people complaining about how the story went down a cliched road, will you complain if the story does probably the only cliche used more than the beard. The "He falls in love with the first gay boy he meets" cliche.
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Post by quell on Jan 11, 2011 16:38:47 GMT -5
Sorry i didn't make it clearer in my post before but i agree that Lucas wasn't being pushy with Edwin before the kiss. It was honestly the time i have probably liked Lucas the most was before that kiss. During that time there were no boundaries and Edwin made the first move. It was after that and Edwin had clearly said he wasn't interested that he kept pushing the subject. He should have dropped it after being told the kiss meant nothing, but he didn't and that constant pushing caused Edwin's reaction.
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Post by quell on Jan 11, 2011 16:22:14 GMT -5
Now after seeing the episode I can say that Edwin sure is good at "faking it" with Wiet. Now my fears of Edwin not being gay at all kicks in to gear again... Because Edwin really looked like he was enjoying it and wanted to do it again... Sure, I have to wait for the subtitles to get the whole picture, but I can't help to fear that this romance we're all hoping for between Edwin and Lucas never will happen... Am I the only one who thinks like this? Shit, like Lucas I should really to take a step back (from this storyline)... I'm too emotionally invested in it! i feel the same way (i think in my first comment I complained about the kissing between edwin and wiet... that goes on and on and make it look as if they're really into it...). We only have an article stating they will become a couple and a brief kiss on the show, and based on those everyone is interpreting edwin as unmistakably gay. at this point I would bet he's not, maybe bi... ... as for his behaviour, IMO internalised homophobia cannot explain edwin's change of personality. I think that since we supposedly "know" that Edwin is gay and ends up with Lucas, it really skews the way we see some of the scenes. What if he is bi, or straight with some confused feelings. Say the kiss was what he needed to figure out that he DIDN'T have feelings for Lucas. All the flirty behavior stopped after that point, and Edwin took a stand and chose t be with Weit. Now take that Edwin and Lucas are not meant to be together. Lucas is constantly pushing Edwin towards what he wants and not listening to what Edwin is saying. Edwin never denies being gay but he out right says he doesn't feel anything for Lucas. He told him on multiple occasions that he didn't have feelings for him and that he was with Weit now. So now you have this person, who you have told you do not like and tried to be their friend, make another advance and kiss you as well. I am surprised Lucas didn't get punched, not just a dirty name (and the choke hold). Also there really hasn't been a character change with Edwin. Hasn't it been stated since the beginning that he had a temper just like his brother, but he controls it better. He and his brother grew up in the same household, so its not that uncommon for them to share certain behaviors. Edwin has always been a really reserved character with very few instances of insight into his character and train of thought. The thing is since people didn't like this flash of his personality, they say it is out of character; but for me it fits in perfectly with the Edwin is portrayed on my screen.
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Post by quell on Jan 11, 2011 15:36:40 GMT -5
Well..... if there was no drama, there's be no story. Heh.... And I think all the Edwin hate will vanish when the guys kiss again. I doubt it will take a kiss. All it will take is Edwin smiling in Lucas direction and people will fall back in love with him.
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Post by quell on Jan 10, 2011 22:28:33 GMT -5
The thing I was liking most about this storyline was that Lucas was growing up. He wasn't being the self-absorbed and pushy brat he can be. He was doing so well, just being his friend and not pushing the issue. But he put what he wanted in front of what Edwin needed and got shut down in a big way.
While Edwin REALLY should have chosen a better way to get his point across, I can't help but feel that Lucas pushed him to it. Having been in a similar situation to Edwin, and someone trying to get me to come out just because they wanted me; and not taking into account what I was going through and the consequences of my coming out. Edwin did what would do the maximum amount of damage to get his point across, and Lucas will hopefully back off and let Edwin deal with this in his own time.
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