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Post by goldsaint on May 5, 2010 1:52:40 GMT -5
Which is also why Katie confronted Luke today about Reid. Luke tried to act clueless in front of her but she sees right through him.
Reid is an interesting man, not too sure how to characterize him. The mostly female audience seems to have a completely unrealistic expectation of him as a character in ATWT. He seems to be a little too idealized in many ways and perhaps a little too simple. For example, he wears his jealousy so close to the surface. When he sees Luke on Noah's hospital bed, he seems to take everything Luke says and does at face value, which prompted him to react rather emotionally when Luke simply told Reid to take good care of Noah.
I think when Luke rushed to Noah's side after he wakes up as alluded in the spoiler and tells Noah that he is the only man for him, which is supposedly overheard by Reid, he will take that seriously and get hurt. Yet, if you think about it, the reason why Luke would say that in that particular situation is likely due to many reasons: Guilt he feels for Noah, denial that he is emotionally involved with Reid and wanting to comfort Noah. None of which supports his verbal assertion that Noah is the only man for him but Reid will undoubtedly take it at face value without considering what prompted Luke to say that to begin with. If I have to guess, Reid may even consider going back to Texas upon hearing that as it probably will be too much for him to handle.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by goldsaint on May 4, 2010 16:21:50 GMT -5
Noah holding Luke on his bed and tells Reid: "Let's get my life back..."
It makes you wonder if he was thinking of his eyesights and Luke as part of "getting his life back". The irony is deafening... I don't think Noah even knows that Reid is gay and that his ex-boyfriend is already growing emotionally attached to this doctor who is the only one who can save his eyes.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 29, 2010 23:42:06 GMT -5
Give it to him Carley. Knock those balls into next weeks show. Ouch.. that's a horrible promo to watch for Noah and heart wrenching for Luke... We all know Noah ends up fine, so don't panic too much. "You selfish son of a bitch" is the same (or close to) words Luke used when Damian tried to take him to Malta for his trust fund and to de-gay him. I'm holding off on any comments about a LuRe relationship until I see the show. Can't image after that Luke would leave Noah in his condition and want to have sex with Reid. Call me cynical if you will, I found that Luke's strong reaction re: Noah's surgery and his outburst towards Reid is in fact a confirmation that Luke has developed strong feelings for Reid. If Luke had reacted calmly, as he should have been, since Noah clearly has not died and the surgery is by no means over or a done deal, then it would have been another story. Luke's reaction when his ex hasn't even been pronounced dead by the doctor treating him is not a typical reaction of a patient's SO. People in this situation usually reacts with disbelief and often plead the doctor to keep trying, not lashing out at the doctor like that. If anything, this tells me whatever feelings Luke may have for Noah, it's not love anymore.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 29, 2010 23:35:52 GMT -5
Many times- when Reid says something unexpectedly favorable to Luke such when he told Luke that he appreciated that Luke attempted to help him with the law suit- Luke seems surprised that someone would take a different view of his actions than punching him as Noah did. I don't mean a literal punch. I mean an emotional hit to the ego that says after a while 'I am a screw up." I doubt Noah intended that , but that's how it came across to enough watchers that I have seen similar statements on another board. Not sure if this can be posted here yet, so I am writing the following in white. Spoiler Alert: Based on what's shown for next week's preview, Luke's reaction towards Reid re: Noah's surgery, suggests to me Luke is reacting irrationally based on the guilt he felt towards Noah's eyes. He is upset re: the outcome of the surgery but more than that, he is subconsciously blaming himself for the outcome because he thinks getting involved with Reid somehow cost Noah's chance of recovering from his injury even though deep down, he probably didn't believe Reid would deliberately sabotage the surgery.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 29, 2010 16:54:55 GMT -5
I am a big believer of evaluating any relationship on its own merit instead of making a constant race with another in order to value/devalue the other. That's your opinion, this is not something other people have to agree with. Comparison is a legitimate way for human beings to compare and evaluate merits of a past, present or future relationship or else how do we develop benchmark? I am confused as to what exactly you are asking people to do here. Are you saying if we mention the word "Noah" in this thread, it automatically makes the post "off-topic"? Can you please clarify? Because I think many people are beginning to wonder whether you are attempting to censor free speech on the basis of your personal preference for Noah, which I hope is not the case here.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 28, 2010 20:55:50 GMT -5
Thank you for responding. Clearly, the subtext of Reid's behavior tells us about his past without having to have the character go into a monologue with long tracks of expositions about it. It is interesting when I am asked to prove something that is suppose to be subtext. I actually predicted much of the plot today, if I am going to toot my own horn, and in exactly the wording regarding the flaws in Nuke, but I was told here that there was no open statements to the effect of what I said could mostly be found in subtext. My only guess is that because this is a soap people don't expect subtext, but this writing clearly has it. For the Reid character, we have not been exposed to his entire background, but we can tell based on his interactions with Luke what that background is enough to know he's had some prior relationships to say the things he is saying. They are the things you say when you have been in a relationship. He's aware enough of relationships to know that communicating honestly is important for example. I think that makes a lot of sense and I agree with what you said. That's why I said the character of Dr. Oliver Reid is showing a lot of emotional maturity that seems to be consumerate with his physical age, if not more. My question was that if he is a person that Luke described as having no life at all, how did he acquire such maturity? I was merely curious, nothing more. It wasn't intended as a psycho-profiling or anything like that.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 28, 2010 20:43:14 GMT -5
Oh, I understand where Luke is coming from to some degree, but I also think the extreme to which this has been played in the writing is definitely with in the unhealthy relationship territory. The thing is- as pointed out elsewhere- were his family "normal" they would have pointed this out to him. In soap land, however it was considered a great love story. It is frustrating to see how Luke is totally under-appreciated by Noah. I quit watching ATWT long time ago precisely because I couldn't stand watching the way Noah treated Luke like crap. It is the Reid-Luke storyline that brought me back. Whether Luke's obsession for Noah is unhealthy or not, I think that's subject to interpretation. I think in a relationship, whether it's between two men or a man & a woman, sometimes, there will be a party who invests more emotionally into it than the other party. I have been in a situation like this when I was even younger than Luke. Even then, I know when to call it quit. Hence, I can relate to what Luke is experiencing, to an extent. It is Luke's inability to see that he deserves better when he was with Noah that bothered me the most. But that's just my opinion. If Luke were a real life friend, I wouldn't want to decide it for him. And if I were Luke's parent, I'd also be worried about telling him how to live his life, especially when it comes to his love life. He is an adult, there is only so much your family can do because at the end of the day, the choice is his. I would only intervene if Noah is committing something criminal such as selling/doing drugs or something like that.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 28, 2010 19:41:19 GMT -5
Uhm, despite your assumption, Dallas has a huge gay professional class population. It doesn't matter if he lives on a planet that is exclusively gay male, if he doesn't have a life at all and all his "friends" are co-workers presumably - can't even sit in a restaurant for example, then I think it's a legitimate question to ask. You claimed he obviously dated before. Where is your proof? How do you substantiate such claim? I am curious because I have been following the storyline diligently and I didn't see anything like such. Care to enlighten us how you come up with such observation?
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 28, 2010 19:37:10 GMT -5
To me that says Luke does not have a conception of what a healthy relationship looks like or how to be healthy in one. It is possible to be really great soapy fun without making t he the "I am a doormat"choices Luke made with Noah. Keep in mind Luke is what, 22 or 23 year old. He is still very young and understandably, a little immature and unsure what he wants. I think the actor portrayed that role very well today, especially today's episode in which he almost tried to run away on several occasions. I think Luke is unsure how to deal with this, I can totally understand how he feels because that's how I was when I was his age. Now, I am older than Luke but still younger than Reid, I can appreciate where Luke is coming from.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 28, 2010 19:32:13 GMT -5
IMO it was suggested he always went straight to the point of things, etc...(hence it could be flings included ...In the hospital?! LOL ...However the kind of "cold"but billiant type For a moment Reid made me remember of the famous cool womanizer Doc played by George Clooney in ER!! He didn't even ever sleep, but always was behind some random woman in the hospital, or the nurse, etc...Ah-ah!! ;D) You do realize that most nurses in the hospital are probably women. Just how many gay doctors can there be in the same hospital, in Dallas, TX, no less. ;D Since fling with patients is out of question, it's hard to imagine what kind of "opportunities" he has had. That said, the imagination of Reid fans, both here and on Facebook and youtube, mostly women, is quite shocking to see. Even a quote from Noah re: "Dr. Oliver must be so hard on you (to Luke)" can be construed into something else entirely. Women's imagination never ceases to amaze me, which would make most gay men bow in awe. ;D
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 28, 2010 19:04:57 GMT -5
As someone said over YT, the point "of no return" for Reid, has been when he saw with Luke Noah & Richard in the diner: after that also IMO, he's decided to give it a try & let go his feeling (since a long time hidden )... & besides, I don't think he didn't have experience or life (as mostly Noah appeared at the start of the relationship), but as I've believed since the beginnings, he simply didn't have love, but only superficial flings or so...(If even Luke said he was "flattered" for being wanted by such a brilliant guy, I guess he intended in general, not just for his job ) That's always the hardest part to tell. If he doesn't even go out, no bars, no restaurant, no hobby - nothing, where do the "flings" come from? This is a guy with no life, presumably but his emotional maturity is relatively consumerate to his age, if not more, which makes you wonder where does that come from? He certainly doesn't look like someone who has never loved before but yet, this is the same guy who said he hasn't taken more than a day off since he started med school. That's why one should not over-analyze a soap. Most of the time, there is no logic or make any sense. But the acting is top rate however and the tension, plot and chemistry - just captivating.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 28, 2010 15:57:00 GMT -5
OMG! I LOVED today's show they sexual tension between Luke and Reid was unbearable. Luke definitely wants another kiss. ;D Reid said everything a lot of us have been thinking about Noah for a long time. Listen to him Luke. You are a person, not Noah's yo-yo. My favorite lines from Reid today: Walking up to Luke and touching his arm "How do I make you feel?" "I don't play games, I'm not that guy." "It's about time someone stuck up for you" It's obvious Noah is getting jealous of Luke being around Reid. "So it's Reid now?" With a jealous look. I don't think he went to Lily's just because he was scared. I think he's slowly starting to pick up that Luke is not just waiting around for him to decide he wants a boyfriend again. BTW, Someone please stab that pizza guy and stomp on that damn beeper. The chemistry between Luke and Reid is rather difficult to contain at this point. Excellent acting by both of them. I am a little surprised by the level of assertiveness displayed by Dr. Oliver. He went from very cautious to rather bold in a matter of days. I wonder where he finds the courage to do that considering he has had no life and presumably, very little to no experience with other men.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 28, 2010 15:34:12 GMT -5
BTW, Someone please stab that pizza guy and stomp on that damn beeper. ROFL!
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 23, 2010 19:11:47 GMT -5
PS_& about the name, I guess Luke will call him Reid by now on... Dr. Oliver did call Luke, "Snyder" (instead of Mr. Snyder) when he was lamenting the possible loss of his medical license while Luke wasn't paying attention because he was busy playing with his phone. ;D I thought that was a really funny moment. I don't know what you think but to me, even that particular moment, however brief, showed off quite a bit of chemistry. You only see people do that with others with whom they know very well like really good friends or someone you know for a long time. To me, it shows Dr. Oliver has grown attached to Luke more than he realizes. On the other hand, I think if they continue to call each other Dr. Oliver and Mr. Snyder, which is fine, but from a guy's standpoint, that can also come across as somewhat erotic in a way, especially when they are being physically intimate.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 22, 2010 14:30:45 GMT -5
To be fair to Noah though, Richard didn't appear to be anything but meeting a friend and had coffee, to Noah. Noah denied he was dating Richard and it appeared, he was truthful. It was Luke who couldn't accept that answer, not to say, Luke's perception was accurate. Luke's jealousy made him see things that weren't there.
Whether Noah has really moved on is difficult to say. Noah seems to be a somewhat conflicted character in ATWT, ever since I started to follow this soap two years ago. I don't think Noah knows what he wants at this point. Hence, it wouldn't surprise me if he tries to get Luke back later on.
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Post by goldsaint on Apr 22, 2010 10:21:09 GMT -5
Or apologize to "Mr. Snyder" for kissing him and then revert back to his sarcastic self?
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